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2020-10-26 8:06:36 PM  
Well fark.  So much for not drinking until next Tuesday.
 
2020-10-26 8:08:22 PM  

markie_farkie: Well fark.  So much for not drinking until next Tuesday.


Wisconsin-like typing detected.
 
2020-10-26 8:08:51 PM  
fark the Scrotus
 
2020-10-26 8:09:00 PM  
I wonder how many thousand of ballots are going to arrive on/after Wednesday?
 
2020-10-26 8:09:26 PM  
Vote early, and make sure your ballot is received by the third.

You've got a week, you can do it. I have confidence in you.
 
2020-10-26 8:13:26 PM  

feckingmorons: Vote early, and make sure your ballot is received by the third.

You've got a week, you can do it. I have confidence in you.


You have no control over the post office
 
2020-10-26 8:13:35 PM  
But the PA ruling went the other way.  Wha?
 
2020-10-26 8:17:51 PM  

Driedsponge: feckingmorons: Vote early, and make sure your ballot is received by the third.

You've got a week, you can do it. I have confidence in you.

You have no control over the post office


Gee, if there were only some other way to make sure your ballot gets there.

https://elections.wi.gov/node/7036
 
2020-10-26 8:18:23 PM  

nekom: But the PA ruling went the other way.  Wha?


Well now that there are 9 justices (as of about 20 minutes ago) it may change. Of course they may just leave it alone as it is too close to the election.
 
2020-10-26 8:26:04 PM  
It's worth it to send a message to the DNC.
 
2020-10-26 8:26:46 PM  
Covid Amy is on the court, 52-48. She'll be part of a 6-3 ruling in Trump's favor within the next week or so.
 
2020-10-26 8:28:08 PM  
So much for the originalist idea, you know, each state runs its own election.
 
2020-10-26 8:28:23 PM  
Don't worry too much about WI. We turned out in droves back in April to vote for the state supreme court. That went really well.
 
2020-10-26 8:31:10 PM  
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Next will be a suit by the losing Trump administration to invalidate a chunk of votes, forcing electoral college votes his way, and then the rounding up of the dissidents can begin.
I'll die before I get captured.
 
2020-10-26 8:44:51 PM  
I don't think Gorsuch & Kavanaugh have thought their concurrence all the way through.

If federal courts get to determine how state courts interpret their own constitutions, this means that Congress can pass a law saying that the times of federal elections are the span of two weeks before the first Tuesday after the first Monday, the places are any polling place which shall be established within a precinct with fewer than 1000 residents or a ballot collection box or postbox serving the same number, & the manner is counting all ballots postmarked by the last election day & received up to 14 days after.

If SCOTUS wants to overturn that, it can but it better be prepared for chaos at the district & appellate court levels as lower courts don't know which of the conflicting rulings coming out of SCOTUS they should follow.
 
2020-10-26 8:52:14 PM  
Get ready for decades of this partisan hack bullshiat.
 
2020-10-26 8:59:46 PM  
Yeah, not sure about this one.
If they are postmarked they should be considered.
 
2020-10-26 9:14:09 PM  
Wisconsin resident here. Me and the wife cast our votes last week, dropping them off at our local city hall. Voted straight ticket Democrat, definitely a first time for me as any Fark who has read my posts in the past would know. The GOP has become a hideous shell of it's former self, most having bought in to the Trump train garbage and riding his coattails. They deserve to lose every seat they have.
 
2020-10-26 9:24:26 PM  
If the returns on the 3rd are close, I'll hate this country.
 
2020-10-26 9:33:40 PM  

feckingmorons: Driedsponge: feckingmorons: Vote early, and make sure your ballot is received by the third.

You've got a week, you can do it. I have confidence in you.

You have no control over the post office

Gee, if there were only some other way to make sure your ballot gets there.

https://elections.wi.gov/node/7036


Just so I'm perfectly clear on this....your suggestion for ensuring one gets an ABSENTEE ballot in on time is to hand deliver it to a county ballot box in the state.
 
2020-10-26 9:35:15 PM  
Good, if you are late, you are late. End of the argument.
 
2020-10-26 9:47:56 PM  
If I recall correctly, Pennsylvania's state courts upheld a ballot deadline extension. Federal courts simply declined to intervene and reverse that decision.

Did Wisconsin's state courts rule against a ballot deadline extension? If so, then this ruling would simply be consistent with allowing states to manage their own elections without federal interference. I am not saying that the situation is ideal but it would at least be ideologically consistent.

Of course, with Contagious ACB on the court, the Trump hopes to try the Pennsylvania case again and I will not be surprised if the court rules 5-4 that states can only manage their elections when they benefit Republicans.
 
2020-10-26 9:48:28 PM  

FlyingBacon: Good, if you are late, you are late. End of the argument.


And if your ballot is "lost" by the post office, tough luck- right comrade?
 
2020-10-26 10:08:59 PM  

sdd2000: FlyingBacon: Good, if you are late, you are late. End of the argument.

And if your ballot is "lost" by the post office, tough luck- right comrade?


I don't use the post office for ballots. For a good reason! When you pay your credit card bills, you can't be late, same with a ballot.  I don't understand why its so hard for you to understand that post office aren't to be trusted.
 
2020-10-26 10:12:57 PM  
Don't worry guys, they will get there on time, it's not like we don't have high-speed sorting machines in our post offices --- oh wait.

Well DeJoy got paid and did his job.
 
2020-10-26 10:20:46 PM  

cretinbob: Yeah, not sure about this one.
If they are postmarked they should be considered.


The state law says received by 8PM election day.

They can go to the municipal clerk and vote by absentee right now (get the ballot and vote right away and hand it back in).

Different states do different things, but WI has had the 8PM election day rule for quite some time.
 
2020-10-26 10:22:47 PM  

Dimensio: I will not be surprised if the court rules 5-4 that states can only manage their elections when they benefit Republicans.


Here's the thing I was saying above.

If they start ruling that federal courts can start interpreting & overruling state constitutions, either the GOP should get ready to lose badly when federal courts & Congress start making laws that completely throw out their voter suppression tactics, or they will have to review every case that comes through federal courts dealing with elections, as the lower courts try to deal with a set of contradictory precedents, or SCOTUS will have to issue an explicit ruling saying that only Republicans can change voting laws (not even joking, it will have to explicitly ban voting law changes not made by the Republican party).

This is not me saying that this is why that won't hapoen. This is me saying that the current crop of GOP justices are drooling morons if they try it & they just might.

If they were smart, they might... nah, I'm not giving them THAT idea.
 
2020-10-26 10:29:15 PM  

FlyingBacon: sdd2000: FlyingBacon: Good, if you are late, you are late. End of the argument.

And if your ballot is "lost" by the post office, tough luck- right comrade?

I don't use the post office for ballots. For a good reason! When you pay your credit card bills, you can't be late, same with a ballot.  I don't understand why its so hard for you to understand that post office aren't to be trusted.


I guess you drive and have access to an automobile. Guess what not every one does. Also, how about a bus right now that might be full of Covidiots who refuse to wear a mask, because of their "freedums".
 
2020-10-26 10:38:17 PM  

sdd2000: FlyingBacon: sdd2000: FlyingBacon: Good, if you are late, you are late. End of the argument.

And if your ballot is "lost" by the post office, tough luck- right comrade?

I don't use the post office for ballots. For a good reason! When you pay your credit card bills, you can't be late, same with a ballot.  I don't understand why its so hard for you to understand that post office aren't to be trusted.

I guess you drive and have access to an automobile. Guess what not every one does. Also, how about a bus right now that might be full of Covidiots who refuse to wear a mask, because of their "freedums".


They have a week, There is a lookup tool to find a drop box, there are plenty of them ( https://upnorthnewswi.com/2020/09/15/b​allots-placed-in-the-boxes-emptied-dai​ly/ )

You can also drop them at your municipal clerk. Libraries can use book return slots, city utiity department can use their bill drop slots, I mean it isn't as if you have to walk it to the capitol.
 
2020-10-26 10:39:03 PM  

feckingmorons: Driedsponge: feckingmorons: Vote early, and make sure your ballot is received by the third.

You've got a week, you can do it. I have confidence in you.

You have no control over the post office

Gee, if there were only some other way to make sure your ballot gets there.

https://elections.wi.gov/node/7036


If it doesn't is there recourse? Hard to vote when your ballot could arrive late. Then you vote twice and perhaps criminally liable.
 
2020-10-26 10:42:14 PM  

feckingmorons: You can also drop them at your municipal clerk. Libraries can use book return slots, city utiity department can use their bill drop slots, I mean it isn't as if you have to walk it to the capitol.


That depends on whether your library and city utils has voting boxes. Its great if you have them. We do not where l live. We have satellite voting at various locations at certain times and places. The library on Saturday afternoon. The real problem is the deliberate destruction of the post office by Republican cronies--which is systematic voter suppression.
 
2020-10-26 10:44:38 PM  

FlyingBacon: Good, if you

THE POST OFFICE is are late, you are late. End of the argument.

Correction.

POSTMARKS : Conservatives actively try not to understand them.
 
2020-10-26 10:46:51 PM  

nekom: But the PA ruling went the other way.  Wha?


Oddly enough, they are being self-consistent. In PA, the extension was ordered by the legislature. In WI, it was ordered by a judge. Their argument is that the rules for voting belong to the legislature and not judges.

I could argue against that as there are broader principles at play that exist both in laws and in the Constitution that should permit a judge to act, however, this is in line with the "philosophy" that these guys often spout these days.

So apparently all of these decisions will be based on a technical reading of each state's written laws for how to administer elections. The awkward bits will come when the legislature has written to empower election officials to make certain decisions. That's a place where there's been some strange double-think from this SCOTUS about if a legislative body is allowed to shirk their role and pass it on to some administrators.

It also gets weird because in many states, it is the Secretary of State's office that administers much of the election.
 
2020-10-26 10:54:15 PM  
 
2020-10-26 10:58:09 PM  
All ballots should be counted but

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2020-10-26 11:07:14 PM  

Professor_Doctor: All ballots should be counted but

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It would be incredibly ironic if Trump lost the state, and a post election analysis shows that almost all of the late ballots that could have put him over the top were Republicans who procrastinated.
 
2020-10-26 11:07:41 PM  

Dimensio: If I recall correctly, Pennsylvania's state courts upheld a ballot deadline extension. Federal courts simply declined to intervene and reverse that decision.

Did Wisconsin's state courts rule against a ballot deadline extension? If so, then this ruling would simply be consistent with allowing states to manage their own elections without federal interference. I am not saying that the situation is ideal but it would at least be ideologically consistent.

Of course, with Contagious ACB on the court, the Trump hopes to try the Pennsylvania case again and I will not be surprised if the court rules 5-4 that states can only manage their elections when they benefit Republicans.


I hope they can try again because late ballots will open up for abuse. We can't have that.
 
2020-10-26 11:14:11 PM  
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mission accomplished.
 
2020-10-26 11:26:02 PM  

feckingmorons: sdd2000: FlyingBacon: sdd2000: FlyingBacon: Good, if you are late, you are late. End of the argument.

And if your ballot is "lost" by the post office, tough luck- right comrade?

I don't use the post office for ballots. For a good reason! When you pay your credit card bills, you can't be late, same with a ballot.  I don't understand why its so hard for you to understand that post office aren't to be trusted.

I guess you drive and have access to an automobile. Guess what not every one does. Also, how about a bus right now that might be full of Covidiots who refuse to wear a mask, because of their "freedums".

They have a week, There is a lookup tool to find a drop box, there are plenty of them ( https://upnorthnewswi.com/2020/09/15/b​allots-placed-in-the-boxes-emptied-dai​ly/ )

You can also drop them at your municipal clerk. Libraries can use book return slots, city utiity department can use their bill drop slots, I mean it isn't as if you have to walk it to the capitol.


Where do you see that Wisconsin allows you to drop off at a city utility department? In the City of Milwaukee for example all of the drop box locations are at libraries, City Hall and the Election Commission Warehouse (link)
And of course you and the flying pig know exactly how far each of these are for each the voters, right?
 
2020-10-26 11:31:32 PM  

Driedsponge: feckingmorons: Vote early, and make sure your ballot is received by the third.

You've got a week, you can do it. I have confidence in you.

You have no control over the post office


They do. Subverting democracy and slowing down the voice of the majority will of this country is their jam.
 
2020-10-26 11:32:03 PM  

markie_farkie: Well fark.  So much for not drinking until next Tuesday.


I gave up after the dentist but just kept pretending until 630.

/days like today make me believe there's something to mercury retrograde
 
2020-10-26 11:32:35 PM  

GardenWeasel: I wonder how many thousand of ballots are going to arrive on/after Wednesday?


I think Maddow said in the primary it was around 60k votes. Something like that. Enough to swing it.
 
2020-10-26 11:32:48 PM  
Why the fæck do you people still respond to that douche?
 
2020-10-26 11:32:52 PM  
Why aren't republicans in the state wanting the vote to be counted? Like it's post marked by November 3rd what more can you want???
 
2020-10-26 11:32:54 PM  

andrewagill: I don't think Gorsuch & Kavanaugh have thought their concurrence all the way through.

If federal courts get to determine how state courts interpret their own constitutions, this means that Congress can pass a law saying that the times of federal elections are the span of two weeks before the first Tuesday after the first Monday, the places are any polling place which shall be established within a precinct with fewer than 1000 residents or a ballot collection box or postbox serving the same number, & the manner is counting all ballots postmarked by the last election day & received up to 14 days after.

If SCOTUS wants to overturn that, it can but it better be prepared for chaos at the district & appellate court levels as lower courts don't know which of the conflicting rulings coming out of SCOTUS they should follow.

Chief Justice John Roberts last week joined the liberals to preserve a Pennsylvania state court order extending the absentee ballot deadline but voted the other way in the Wisconsin case, which has moved through federal courts.
"Different bodies of law and different precedents govern these two situations and require, in these particular circumstances, that we allow the modification of election rules in Pennsylvania but not Wisconsin," Roberts wrote.


Seems like if they passed such a law, it would be allowed to stand.  Now all they have to do is pass it.
 
2020-10-26 11:32:58 PM  
If you wanted to vote, you should have studied for the literacy test!
 
2020-10-26 11:33:11 PM  

GardenWeasel: I wonder how many thousand of ballots are going to arrive on/after Wednesday?


Forgot this part. They were counted in the primary.
 
2020-10-26 11:33:18 PM  
It's not like Trump is going to concede until January 20th anyway.
 
2020-10-26 11:33:44 PM  
Kagan's dissent (link above) is fairly savage to Kavanaugh. In his turn, Kavanaugh attempts to belittle the dissent. Gorsuch, in his opening is rather full of a dismissive tone. I get the feeling that there's a great deal of tension within the current court.
 
2020-10-26 11:33:45 PM  

FlyingBacon: sdd2000: FlyingBacon: Good, if you are late, you are late. End of the argument.

And if your ballot is "lost" by the post office, tough luck- right comrade?

I don't use the post office for ballots. For a good reason! When you pay your credit card bills, you can't be late, same with a ballot.  I don't understand why its so hard for you to understand that post office aren't to be trusted.


When you pay your credit card bill, you generally get a considerable grace period for late payment. Often up to thirty days.

Pick a better analogy.
 
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