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2020-10-26 12:03:30 PM  
I really hope the dem win in a sweep, and I hoprle right after addressing the pandemic they open full investigations into every voter violation that has happen in these last four years, and nail every single violator to the wall.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-26 1:19:53 PM  
Hopefully this is a wakeup call for oft-disenfranchised voters that yes, their votes really do actually farking matter, because if they didn't matter then there wouldn't be all of this effort to disenfranchise them when they actually do attempt to vote.
 
2020-10-26 2:29:15 PM  
You didn't think this election was gonna be fair did you?
Rejecting legal ballots, but accepting illegal ones:
Florida is letting Trump and his mail order bride illegally vote there.
Mar-a-Lago is their business address, not their residential address.
 
2020-10-26 6:29:02 PM  
So where are the lawyers for the biden campaign to take these to court? That's what the GOP will be doing in dotard's name.
 
2020-10-26 6:29:19 PM  

tjsands1118: I really hope the dem win in a sweep, and I hoprle right after addressing the pandemic they open full investigations into every voter violation that has happen in these last four years, and nail every single violator to the wall.


Step One:  Release and expunge the records of every non-violent drug conviction prisoner.

"Oh no! But what about the private prison industry?!" cry the t(R)aitors!  "My Stonks!" they despair.

Step Two:  Fill the prisons back up with anyone, anywhere who interfered with anyone, anywhere's ability to vote.

See, we can be bipartisan!
 
2020-10-26 6:29:42 PM  
If it's close enough to be stolen it will be.  Trump knows that jail awaits him if he loses, and the AG won't punish malfeasance or election interference. There are no consequences (to Trump) for cheating, we all knew this going in.

If this election isn't so overwhelming that it can't be stolen, then it will be stolen.

If we're lucky, we'll get some rule of law to curb some of it, but California already has fake ballot boxes that the PD has said they're doing nothing about, mail ballots are going missing, and there's a story today of a drop box being lit on fire.  Stories still not making national news to penetrate through to people who "don't really follow politics" but we all kind of already knew it.

Stay vigilant.
 
2020-10-26 6:30:37 PM  
I'm thinking this is a repeat, Mods.  could have sworn I've seen virtually the same headline and article, and it's 4 days old.
 
2020-10-26 6:30:54 PM  
I have a nephew who is voting in person, because the website the state provides says his chance of the ballot being denied by mail was something like 30%.

The question now is if these people can't fix the ballot and get it verified in time, can they still vote in person if it wasn't accepted. While I give the state props for trying to keep their shenanigans low, it's still pretty obvious. A denial rate of .8% is not much at all, and yet the ratio is what everyone will be looking for.
 
2020-10-26 6:31:22 PM  
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2020-10-26 6:31:42 PM  
Have they tried not being black or Hispanic. How do the cubans feel about this?
 
2020-10-26 6:31:49 PM  

tjsands1118: I really hope the dem win in a sweep, and I hoprle right after addressing the pandemic they open full investigations into every voter violation that has happen in these last four years, and nail every single violator to the wall.


Clearly the proper thing to do is move on to let the country heal, going after anyone would be divisive and uncivil.
 
2020-10-26 6:32:12 PM  

HerptheDerp: If it's close enough to be stolen it will be.  Trump knows that jail awaits him if he loses, and the AG won't punish malfeasance or election interference. There are no consequences (to Trump) for cheating, we all knew this going in.

If this election isn't so overwhelming that it can't be stolen, then it will be stolen.

If we're lucky, we'll get some rule of law to curb some of it, but California already has fake ballot boxes that the PD has said they're doing nothing about, mail ballots are going missing, and there's a story today of a drop box being lit on fire.  Stories still not making national news to penetrate through to people who "don't really follow politics" but we all kind of already knew it.

Stay vigilant.


The drop-box-set-on-fire story was on the PolTab last week.
 
2020-10-26 6:32:14 PM  

TWX: Hopefully this is a wakeup call for oft-disenfranchised voters that yes, their votes really do actually farking matter, because if they didn't matter then there wouldn't be all of this effort to disenfranchise them when they actually do attempt to vote.


Well, sort of.  I can't exactly begrudge them for losing faith in a system in which the votes they can spend hours upon hours waiting to cast are eventually rejected quite literally because of the color of their skin.
 
2020-10-26 6:32:18 PM  

Walker: You didn't think this election was gonna be fair did you?
Rejecting legal ballots, but accepting illegal ones:
Florida is letting Trump and his mail order bride illegally vote there.
Mar-a-Lago is their business address, not their residential address.


I would gladly trade Trump voting from any address he likes, in exchange for Trump voting from prison from now on.
 
2020-10-26 6:33:04 PM  

HerptheDerp: If it's close enough to be stolen it will be.  Trump knows that jail awaits him if he loses, and the AG won't punish malfeasance or election interference. There are no consequences (to Trump) for cheating, we all knew this going in.

If this election isn't so overwhelming that it can't be stolen, then it will be stolen.

If we're lucky, we'll get some rule of law to curb some of it, but California already has fake ballot boxes that the PD has said they're doing nothing about, mail ballots are going missing, and there's a story today of a drop box being lit on fire.  Stories still not making national news to penetrate through to people who "don't really follow politics" but we all kind of already knew it.

Stay vigilant.


Well, the other side of that is that state and local officials know that if they're caught, they WILL be going to jail, and Trump won't be saving their asses. If I was one of those states, I wouldn't commit crimes for someone that everyone HAS to know will not give a solitary shiat about anyone once he gets his second term.
 
2020-10-26 6:34:17 PM  

HerptheDerp: Trump knows that jail awaits him if he loses


It's nice to dream but he'll never spend one second in prison.
 
2020-10-26 6:36:28 PM  
The Democracy loving piece of me hates that the voter rejection rate is 0.8%, compared to 0.3% for white voters.

Then I looked at my notes for what to expect from Florida, given their history, and I was thinking it was gonna be 1.4-1.5% for black people, and 0.4% for whites.

Given the number of Floridians who are absentee balloting for the first time in their lives, I was really expecting things were going to be much worse than they are right now.
 
2020-10-26 6:36:47 PM  

Walker: You didn't think this election was gonna be fair did you?
Rejecting legal ballots, but accepting illegal ones:
Florida is letting Trump and his mail order bride illegally vote there.
Mar-a-Lago is their business address, not their residential address.


Did you sweet summer children think DeSantis was going to run an honest election?
 
2020-10-26 6:37:01 PM  
It's understandable. These lesser races just don't have the mental capacity to understand simple instructions. If they possessed superior nordic genes they wouldn't have these issues.

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2020-10-26 6:39:08 PM  

hissatsu: It's understandable. These lesser races just don't have the mental capacity to understand simple instructions. If they possessed superior nordic genes they wouldn't have these issues.

[Fark user image image 850x566]


Truly the pinnacle of human evolution?

Never before has such perfection been on display?

Bow before the greatness of the white race?
 
2020-10-26 6:39:36 PM  

bigdog1960: Have they tried not being black or Hispanic. How do the cubans feel about this?


The one and only thing the anti-Castro Cubans care about is being told that as soon as the Communists are deposed, they can go back to running their gangster-capitalist paradise.

Remember, Communism is the worst and that's all you need to remember. Don't think any further. Especially don't ask what gangster capitalism is like that's so horrible it makes people think Communism is a good idea.
 
2020-10-26 6:41:39 PM  

erik-k: bigdog1960: Have they tried not being black or Hispanic. How do the cubans feel about this?

The one and only thing the anti-Castro Cubans care about is being told that as soon as the Communists are deposed, they can go back to running their gangster-capitalist paradise.

Remember, Communism is the worst and that's all you need to remember. Don't think any further. Especially don't ask what gangster capitalism is like that's so horrible it makes people think Communism is a good idea.


Yeah, Cuba was a paradise for all Cubans before Castro came along.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-26 6:45:15 PM  

austerity101: TWX: Hopefully this is a wakeup call for oft-disenfranchised voters that yes, their votes really do actually farking matter, because if they didn't matter then there wouldn't be all of this effort to disenfranchise them when they actually do attempt to vote.

Well, sort of.  I can't exactly begrudge them for losing faith in a system in which the votes they can spend hours upon hours waiting to cast are eventually rejected quite literally because of the color of their skin.


I agree, but at the same time I'm reminded of a book where it turns out that each and every character thought they were alone in their masquerade but the entire regiment was nothing but characters masquerading.  Once they realized they were all in the same boat and they all took unified action accordingly, things changed dramatically.
 
2020-10-26 6:47:30 PM  

TWX: Hopefully this is a wakeup call for oft-disenfranchised voters that yes, their votes really do actually farking matter, because if they didn't matter then there wouldn't be all of this effort to disenfranchise them when they actually do attempt to vote.


So much for working acorss the aisle.
 
2020-10-26 6:47:59 PM  

HerptheDerp: If it's close enough to be stolen it will be.  Trump knows that jail awaits him if he loses, and the AG won't punish malfeasance or election interference. There are no consequences (to Trump) for cheating, we all knew this going in.

If this election isn't so overwhelming that it can't be stolen, then it will be stolen.

If we're lucky, we'll get some rule of law to curb some of it, but California already has fake ballot boxes that the PD has said they're doing nothing about, mail ballots are going missing, and there's a story today of a drop box being lit on fire.  Stories still not making national news to penetrate through to people who "don't really follow politics" but we all kind of already knew it.

Stay vigilant.


I heard about the ballot boxes being lit on fire too - I feel like our democracy could be at stake here. Maybe I'm just overreacting, but has anyone else ever heard of instances where ballot boxes are set ablaze in past elections? I've sure farking haven't.
 
2020-10-26 6:48:14 PM  

BorgiaGinz: Walker: You didn't think this election was gonna be fair did you?
Rejecting legal ballots, but accepting illegal ones:
Florida is letting Trump and his mail order bride illegally vote there.
Mar-a-Lago is their business address, not their residential address.

Did you sweet summer children think DeSantis was going to run an honest election?


That ship already sailed, courtesy of the BOE.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/pol​i​tics/elections/fl-ne-how-can-trump-vot​e-20201023-tetnflz3uzflrjjmnbxt3wn3ji-​story.html
 
2020-10-26 6:48:39 PM  

phrawgh: erik-k: bigdog1960: Have they tried not being black or Hispanic. How do the cubans feel about this?

The one and only thing the anti-Castro Cubans care about is being told that as soon as the Communists are deposed, they can go back to running their gangster-capitalist paradise.

Remember, Communism is the worst and that's all you need to remember. Don't think any further. Especially don't ask what gangster capitalism is like that's so horrible it makes people think Communism is a good idea.

Yeah, Cuba was a paradise for all Cubans before Castro came along.


The Batista cronies were doing great.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-26 6:52:42 PM  

phrawgh: erik-k: bigdog1960: Have they tried not being black or Hispanic. How do the cubans feel about this?

The one and only thing the anti-Castro Cubans care about is being told that as soon as the Communists are deposed, they can go back to running their gangster-capitalist paradise.

Remember, Communism is the worst and that's all you need to remember. Don't think any further. Especially don't ask what gangster capitalism is like that's so horrible it makes people think Communism is a good idea.

Yeah, Cuba was a paradise for all Cubans before Castro came along.


Funnied on account of the sarcasm.

Interestingly, many of the smaller nations that turned to Soviet-style or Chinese-style Communism did so only after their appeals to western powers fell on deaf ears.  Castro and Ho Chi Minh both attempted to get American and/or European leaders to listen to them to no avail, and in the absence of any sort of willingness on western powers to listen to them and to help them develop their countries, the Communists were able to step right in and assist.
 
2020-10-26 6:54:17 PM  

SFSailor: tjsands1118: I really hope the dem win in a sweep, and I hoprle right after addressing the pandemic they open full investigations into every voter violation that has happen in these last four years, and nail every single violator to the wall.

Step One:  Release and expunge the records of every non-violent drug conviction prisoner.

"Oh no! But what about the private prison industry?!" cry the t(R)aitors!  "My Stonks!" they despair.

Step Two:  Fill the prisons back up with anyone, anywhere who interfered with anyone, anywhere's ability to vote.

See, we can be bipartisan!


Requiring private prisons to only serve white collar criminals.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-26 6:55:13 PM  

snowshovel: TWX: Hopefully this is a wakeup call for oft-disenfranchised voters that yes, their votes really do actually farking matter, because if they didn't matter then there wouldn't be all of this effort to disenfranchise them when they actually do attempt to vote.

So much for working acorss the aisle.


Yes, we realized that was pointless as soon as McConnell wouldn't confirm a single judge that Obama nominated but would change the rules to start confirming without requiring 60 votes for cloture.

But then again you being you, I know that you're so full of it that it must be coming out all of the orifices in your head.
 
2020-10-26 6:56:23 PM  

phamwaa: BorgiaGinz: Walker: You didn't think this election was gonna be fair did you?
Rejecting legal ballots, but accepting illegal ones:
Florida is letting Trump and his mail order bride illegally vote there.
Mar-a-Lago is their business address, not their residential address.

Did you sweet summer children think DeSantis was going to run an honest election?

That ship already sailed, courtesy of the BOE.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/poli​tics/elections/fl-ne-how-can-trump-vot​e-20201023-tetnflz3uzflrjjmnbxt3wn3ji-​story.html


From that article:

Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Wendy Link says Mar-a-Lago's zoning status is irrelevant in whether Trump can register to vote using that address.

"Whether a person considers that location his or her home is what matters," Link said. "For voting purposes, a voter can claim a park bench as their residence, if that is where they spend their time."


Cool Wendy. How about 500,000 Democrats in states that aren't battleground state each claim a park bench in Florida then you Trump supporting POS.
 
2020-10-26 7:07:30 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: I'm thinking this is a repeat, Mods.  could have sworn I've seen virtually the same headline and article, and it's 4 days old.


That was Georgia. Or was it North Carolina? Or maybe even Texas? It's hard to tell these days with all the states doing it.
 
2020-10-26 7:10:22 PM  
Signature looks different? That's BS.
 
2020-10-26 7:10:38 PM  

Jaws_Victim: SFSailor: tjsands1118: I really hope the dem win in a sweep, and I hoprle right after addressing the pandemic they open full investigations into every voter violation that has happen in these last four years, and nail every single violator to the wall.

Step One:  Release and expunge the records of every non-violent drug conviction prisoner.

"Oh no! But what about the private prison industry?!" cry the t(R)aitors!  "My Stonks!" they despair.

Step Two:  Fill the prisons back up with anyone, anywhere who interfered with anyone, anywhere's ability to vote.

See, we can be bipartisan!

Requiring private prisons to only serve white collar criminals.


I like that.

But they're going to demand a doubling of their cleaning budgets because of all the brains splattered on the wall from white collar heads exploding when former-executives-now-inmates see how much has been billed compared to the facilities that were provided.

And we will look down, and say, "No."
 
2020-10-26 7:16:39 PM  

hissatsu: It's understandable. These lesser races just don't have the mental capacity to understand simple instructions. If they possessed superior nordic genes they wouldn't have these issues.

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That's one EPIC moose knuckle.
 
2020-10-26 7:17:21 PM  

tjsands1118: I really hope the dem win in a sweep, and I hoprle right after addressing the pandemic they open full investigations into every voter violation that has happen in these last four years, and nail every single violator to the wall.


There are these things called committees they can do both at once!!!!!
 
2020-10-26 7:19:05 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: I'm thinking this is a repeat, Mods.  could have sworn I've seen virtually the same headline and article, and it's 4 days old.


You saw it two years ago, and then two years before that
 
2020-10-26 7:25:12 PM  
89 years of full on slavery, and another 155 of wacky coincidences.
 
2020-10-26 7:43:23 PM  

zeroman987: hissatsu: It's understandable. These lesser races just don't have the mental capacity to understand simple instructions. If they possessed superior nordic genes they wouldn't have these issues.

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Truly the pinnacle of human evolution?

Never before has such perfection been on display?

Bow before the greatness of the white race?


At work I get roughly 95% of medical exemptions to wearing a mask coming from white people in an area where roughly 2/3 are white.

Master race? More like masturbatory race...

/fake exemption cards have been presented to me exclusively by white people so far.
//one indigenous person was so worried about being assumed fake that she brought a letter from her doctor (even though she didn't need to)
///if someone raises a fuss I generally can assume it is a caucasian without looking
 
2020-10-26 7:45:04 PM  

suebhoney: So where are the lawyers for the biden campaign to take these to court? That's what the GOP will be doing in dotard's name.


Optimist in me wants to point out that if he waits until after the election, these become a criminal matter he can direct the DOJ to focus on.

Realist in me is gonna point out that Biden voted in favor of the Iraq war, a number of pro-segregation measures, and a bunch of slightly less transparently racist shiat.  He also wrote and was the primary sponsor of the most blatantly, borderline explicitly racist law still on the books in the US at the national level, the crime bill from the 1990s.  And that on a more general note he was part of an executive administration that actually committed more war crimes than Trump just by virtue of actually being competent enough to pull them off.

Chances are that he's totally in favor of shiat like this as a general rule, and will only make an exception insofar as it helps the Dems win elections.  Voting for Biden isn't actually a vote against racism or evil, it's a vote for reigning back the racism and evil to a slightly older point in our history where the evil racists at least applied some degree of basic self-interest to their evil racism before executing on being evil and racist.

Like... Biden's the old school of racism that isn't willing to shoot at you even with full knowledge that his own son is in the way and will die too.  The fact that that's legitimately an improvement and I can wholeheartedly endorse him as genuinely the objectively correct choice of the available ones may be the most 2020 thing to happen all year, including the plague, but a'ight, there you go.  Please go vote for the guy who's basically W again, but from the party where the pressure other members apply that he'll cave to for cynical political gain will at least make him behave better instead of worse.
 
2020-10-26 7:48:08 PM  

firefly212: The Democracy loving piece of me hates that the voter rejection rate is 0.8%, compared to 0.3% for white voters.

Then I looked at my notes for what to expect from Florida, given their history, and I was thinking it was gonna be 1.4-1.5% for black people, and 0.4% for whites.

Given the number of Floridians who are absentee balloting for the first time in their lives, I was really expecting things were going to be much worse than they are right now.


Don't worry.  They invalidate the absentee ballots ahead of time, en masse, based on names.  They just challenge all the ones with identical names, assuming they're "fraud" and not that there are 30 out of several million residents named "Michael Freeman".  Thanks to the way slaves were named in the 19th century, this hits relatively few white voters, whose European ancestry tends to create more varied surnames and fewer "collisions".
 
2020-10-26 7:48:09 PM  
And yet all Pubs have to do is say "socialist Argentina" and half of South Florida votes for them
 
2020-10-26 8:27:19 PM  
And at least 20-30% of cubans will still vote GOP because fark you.
 
2020-10-26 8:50:28 PM  

TheOtherGuy: firefly212: The Democracy loving piece of me hates that the voter rejection rate is 0.8%, compared to 0.3% for white voters.

Then I looked at my notes for what to expect from Florida, given their history, and I was thinking it was gonna be 1.4-1.5% for black people, and 0.4% for whites.

Given the number of Floridians who are absentee balloting for the first time in their lives, I was really expecting things were going to be much worse than they are right now.

Don't worry.  They invalidate the absentee ballots ahead of time, en masse, based on names.  They just challenge all the ones with identical names, assuming they're "fraud" and not that there are 30 out of several million residents named "Michael Freeman".  Thanks to the way slaves were named in the 19th century, this hits relatively few white voters, whose European ancestry tends to create more varied surnames and fewer "collisions".


If that's a real thing, do you have some kind of citation for it? I process absentee ballots part time in TN, and I've never heard of any procedure that would reject duplicate names. We have hundreds, maybe thousands of registered voters with the same name. Every ballot request must have the SS# which is what we use to identify a voter and then we check the DOB, address and finally the signature, all of which besides the address (assuming it's in the same county as the one they're registered) must match what we have on file. I can't even figure out how you'd "mass reject" anything because they're just not processed that way. The only way you could would be to force voters to only use an online form with a way to include a signature by hand on the request.
 
2020-10-26 8:52:41 PM  
Voting is the most basic, sacred right in a democracy.  People who are systematically trying to steal or nullify them should be imprisoned.
 
2020-10-26 9:09:16 PM  

timmmmah!: TheOtherGuy: firefly212: The Democracy loving piece of me hates that the voter rejection rate is 0.8%, compared to 0.3% for white voters.

Then I looked at my notes for what to expect from Florida, given their history, and I was thinking it was gonna be 1.4-1.5% for black people, and 0.4% for whites.

Given the number of Floridians who are absentee balloting for the first time in their lives, I was really expecting things were going to be much worse than they are right now.

Don't worry.  They invalidate the absentee ballots ahead of time, en masse, based on names.  They just challenge all the ones with identical names, assuming they're "fraud" and not that there are 30 out of several million residents named "Michael Freeman".  Thanks to the way slaves were named in the 19th century, this hits relatively few white voters, whose European ancestry tends to create more varied surnames and fewer "collisions".

If that's a real thing, do you have some kind of citation for it? I process absentee ballots part time in TN, and I've never heard of any procedure that would reject duplicate names. We have hundreds, maybe thousands of registered voters with the same name. Every ballot request must have the SS# which is what we use to identify a voter and then we check the DOB, address and finally the signature, all of which besides the address (assuming it's in the same county as the one they're registered) must match what we have on file. I can't even figure out how you'd "mass reject" anything because they're just not processed that way. The only way you could would be to force voters to only use an online form with a way to include a signature by hand on the request.


Of course, a Google search in October 2020 about any variety of election tampering is going to be a messy prospect, but I won't rest on that excuse.

I really was conflating 2 different processes on purpose.  Really what I'm talking about is voter roll purging, but since many states require you to request an absentee ballot, with a legal excuse - disability, living abroad, etc. - in order to vote by mail, those voter registrations are often disproportionately targeted.  Plus, it's handy that you have tons of ballots all in one place, you know exactly where they came from, and, therefore, the likely contents even if you can't see them.

The states I read that were very big on this were, unsurprisingly, Republican strongholds with vast black and latino populations, Georgia and Florida.  I'm trying to narrow that down now but still not cutting through the 2020 Election-specific noise.
 
2020-10-26 9:42:38 PM  

Jim_Callahan: suebhoney: So where are the lawyers for the biden campaign to take these to court? That's what the GOP will be doing in dotard's name.

Optimist in me wants to point out that if he waits until after the election, these become a criminal matter he can direct the DOJ to focus on.

Realist in me is gonna point out that Biden voted in favor of the Iraq war, a number of pro-segregation measures, and a bunch of slightly less transparently racist shiat.  He also wrote and was the primary sponsor of the most blatantly, borderline explicitly racist law still on the books in the US at the national level, the crime bill from the 1990s.  And that on a more general note he was part of an executive administration that actually committed more war crimes than Trump just by virtue of actually being competent enough to pull them off.

Chances are that he's totally in favor of shiat like this as a general rule, and will only make an exception insofar as it helps the Dems win elections.  Voting for Biden isn't actually a vote against racism or evil, it's a vote for reigning back the racism and evil to a slightly older point in our history where the evil racists at least applied some degree of basic self-interest to their evil racism before executing on being evil and racist.

Like... Biden's the old school of racism that isn't willing to shoot at you even with full knowledge that his own son is in the way and will die too.  The fact that that's legitimately an improvement and I can wholeheartedly endorse him as genuinely the objectively correct choice of the available ones may be the most 2020 thing to happen all year, including the plague, but a'ight, there you go.  Please go vote for the guy who's basically W again, but from the party where the pressure other members apply that he'll cave to for cynical political gain will at least make him behave better instead of worse.


Uhm it's painfully obvious you don't see many of my posts regarding biden.

I've voted for him for senator every time he ran. I voted for the obama biden ticket twice.

I've met and spoken to joe multiple times while he was VP on issues and personal things.

I'm quite sure I understand him.
 
2020-10-27 9:39:19 AM  
Re: Cuba - //CSB:

My great uncle Edward J. Neil Jr. who the boxing trophy was named after that is now the Sugar Ray Robinson Award was friends with many fascists, as he was the second reporter for AP to die in the line of duty around 1938. His two sisters were my grandmother and aunt, and they along with my grandfather and my great aunt's husband Vince went to Cuba during the revolution to visit Batista, as they had an open invitation. My grandfather shipped his new Caddy down and they had been driving it around. At some point, and it must have been my uncle Vince that did it, someone had put a Batista bumper sticker on the car. That earned a pushing off a cliff by locals while they were in some place down there.

We believe Ted (as my family called him, EJN Jr. was known as Eddie to his friends) was killed in an assassination attempt. He was in the same car as a known double spy, a distance from the front. They said a shell hit the car, but the spy lived. Franco called during my uncles last moments to give his condolences to him before he died of gangrene.

EDWARD J. NEIL DIES OF WOUNDS IN SPAIN; Associated Press Reporter, 37, Hit by Shrapnel on Teruel Front, Contracts Gangrene COVERED ETHIOPIAN WAR A Former Sports Writer, He Got Honorable Mention in 1932 Pulitzer Awards With Italians in Ethiopia Formerly a Sports Writer Cooper Pays Tribute Born in Methuen, Mass.

Kim Philby was the spy with him: In December 1937, during the Battle of Teruel, a Republican shell hit just in front of the car in which Philby was travelling with the correspondents Edward J. Neil of the Associated Press, Bradish Johnson of Newsweek, and Ernest Sheepshanks[19] of Reuters. Johnson was killed outright, and Neil and Sheepshanks soon died of their injuries. Philby suffered only a minor head wound. As a result of this accident, Philby, who was well-liked by the Nationalist forces whose victories he trumpeted, was awarded the Red Cross of Military Merit by Franco on 2 March 1938. Philby found that the award proved helpful in obtaining access to fascist circles:

The above line from the wiki page about Philby is not how it is recorded everywhere. Time has a number of articles behind their paywall.
 
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