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2020-10-26 12:22:22 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: weddingsinger: wheresmypen: Shaggy_C: If only we had good, socialist governments like in Europe instead of shiatty leadership like Trump. Then our curve would look--

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Oh...

So we're about two weeks behind.

Great.

Probably not even.  More like just a few days behind.  The U.shiat 80,000+ daily cases now and many areas are reporting well beyond the 5% test positive rate that suggests we are not catching anywhere near all the cases.

This is suggested both by the SHARP rise in deaths the past few days and the poop checking method.  By checking samples at sewage treatment they can see how the population at large is fairing.

Boston, for example, looks a lot like it did in the spring when things got very bad.

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I've been shot!

𝅘𝅥𝅮 Check the pooooooooooo!𝅘𝅥𝅮
 
2020-10-26 12:23:52 PM  

weddingsinger: AdmirableSnackbar: weddingsinger: wheresmypen: Shaggy_C: If only we had good, socialist governments like in Europe instead of shiatty leadership like Trump. Then our curve would look--

[cdn.statcdn.com image 850x850]

Oh...

So we're about two weeks behind.

Great.

Probably not even.  More like just a few days behind.  The U.shiat 80,000+ daily cases now and many areas are reporting well beyond the 5% test positive rate that suggests we are not catching anywhere near all the cases.

This is suggested both by the SHARP rise in deaths the past few days and the poop checking method.  By checking samples at sewage treatment they can see how the population at large is fairing.

Boston, for example, looks a lot like it did in the spring when things got very bad.

[pbs.twimg.com image 680x495]

[i.gifer.com image 215x161] [View Full Size image _x_]

I've been shot!

𝅘𝅥𝅮 Check the pooooooooooo!𝅘𝅥𝅮


Our number one concern is your number two.
 
2020-10-26 12:25:42 PM  

Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise


Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.
 
2020-10-26 12:25:55 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: What's the point of your argument? "Hey, we don't have to do anything because Europe is also shiatting the bed"? Or are you just being anti-social for your own sake?


I was calling out the people who immediately started jumping all over Trump and turning this into a political thread. My point was to refute their assertion that poor governance alone would cause the spike. The virus doesn't care what your politics are; it exists for one reason, and that's to infect as many people as possible. People who don't wear masks and don't social distance play right into its hands.
 
2020-10-26 12:29:54 PM  

Olliewog: Personally I would like to see the percentage of people testing positive as opposed to a number.  Testing is more common and faster than even 6 weeks ago.  I know 12 people tested in the last 10 days that got tested simply because they finally could.

Numbers are arbitrary and can be manipulated to support the narrative you want to tell.  Percentage of tested vs. positive paints a much more accurate picture.  The article states percentage rise in cases but missed stating percentage of people being tested that are positive.


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This is a decent overview. The second peak of "daily cases" appears much larger than the first one, but the number of hospitalizations were about the same. This suggests that the first peak of the reported cases was artificially low due to limited testing. There is some increase in testing from the second to the third peak, but it's a smaller ratio this time.

The death rate has gone down over time. Some of that is from improved treatment, but some of it could also be from a shift in the average age of the cases (since the fatality rate goes way up in older populations). Deaths are a lagging indicator so it will take a while to see how high the third peak goes.
 
2020-10-26 12:33:51 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Olliewog: Personally I would like to see the percentage of people testing positive as opposed to a number.  Testing is more common and faster than even 6 weeks ago.  I know 12 people tested in the last 10 days that got tested simply because they finally could.

Numbers are arbitrary and can be manipulated to support the narrative you want to tell.  Percentage of tested vs. positive paints a much more accurate picture.  The article states percentage rise in cases but missed stating percentage of people being tested that are positive.

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This is a decent overview. The second peak of "daily cases" appears much larger than the first one, but the number of hospitalizations were about the same. This suggests that the first peak of the reported cases was artificially low due to limited testing. There is some increase in testing from the second to the third peak, but it's a smaller ratio this time.

The death rate has gone down over time. Some of that is from improved treatment, but some of it could also be from a shift in the average age of the cases (since the fatality rate goes way up in older populations). Deaths are a lagging indicator so it will take a while to see how high the third peak goes.


I'd add that guidelines for hospitalization have become stricter, meaning fewer cases are allowed in compared to the spring.
 
2020-10-26 12:42:55 PM  

Shaggy_C: Tr0mBoNe: What's the point of your argument? "Hey, we don't have to do anything because Europe is also shiatting the bed"? Or are you just being anti-social for your own sake?

I was calling out the people who immediately started jumping all over Trump and turning this into a political thread. My point was to refute their assertion that poor governance alone would cause the spike. The virus doesn't care what your politics are; it exists for one reason, and that's to infect as many people as possible. People who don't wear masks and don't social distance play right into its hands.


You kinda said it yourself though, Europe opened up too early. That's what the epidemiologists were warning about, here and there. Open up too early and you undo everything you worked so hard for the last few months keeping businesses closed, wasting the sacrifices of your people. If locking down restaurants and offering loans or grants to make payroll and rent was hard before, well what do we expect when the caseload is so high that any open night at a bar or restaurant is guaranteed to be a spreader event? You cannot control this thing without a mandate forcing people to do the right thing.
 
2020-10-26 12:46:04 PM  
Our best hope was COVID killing Trump.  His survival was a big blow to our chances to survive.  Even the election won't matter, as we'll hit 500,000 dead before Biden takes over in January.

Elections have consequences.  And there aren't any abortions if the mom dies first.
 
2020-10-26 12:46:20 PM  

dkulprit: It's not only that, but the European union has more than twice the amount of people.  So per capita, they're still lower....


:citation needed:

Quick and dirty google shows USA 328 Million, EU 446
 
2020-10-26 12:51:17 PM  

Froman: Shaggy_C: Tr0mBoNe: What's the point of your argument? "Hey, we don't have to do anything because Europe is also shiatting the bed"? Or are you just being anti-social for your own sake?

I was calling out the people who immediately started jumping all over Trump and turning this into a political thread. My point was to refute their assertion that poor governance alone would cause the spike. The virus doesn't care what your politics are; it exists for one reason, and that's to infect as many people as possible. People who don't wear masks and don't social distance play right into its hands.

You kinda said it yourself though, Europe opened up too early. That's what the epidemiologists were warning about, here and there. Open up too early and you undo everything you worked so hard for the last few months keeping businesses closed, wasting the sacrifices of your people. If locking down restaurants and offering loans or grants to make payroll and rent was hard before, well what do we expect when the caseload is so high that any open night at a bar or restaurant is guaranteed to be a spreader event? You cannot control this thing without a mandate forcing people to do the right thing.


Europe and the US will have to learn this the hard way. We will not have any kind of economic recovery as long as this continues. We no longer will consider these lost decades. This will be a new normal for a while. It will force Governments to either work for the people or else we will see them topple via mass protests and uprising.
 
2020-10-26 12:58:33 PM  

Shaggy_C: Tr0mBoNe: What's the point of your argument? "Hey, we don't have to do anything because Europe is also shiatting the bed"? Or are you just being anti-social for your own sake?

I was calling out the people who immediately started jumping all over Trump and turning this into a political thread. My point was to refute their assertion that poor governance alone would cause the spike. The virus doesn't care what your politics are; it exists for one reason, and that's to infect as many people as possible. People who don't wear masks and don't social distance play right into its hands.


You're bullshiatting us and yourself if you don't see the way we've approached(fumbled) this medical emergency is largely in the hands of this administration. From top to bottom the severity of this travesty is in their hands. Hell, one could make the argument the same people are responsible for the fark up in the UK, Brazil and the Philippines in their covid responses.
 
2020-10-26 1:05:40 PM  

whidbey: Momzilla59: whidbey: All you have to do is go to the comments section of any news page or governor's page on FB.

Goobers.

Goobers everywhere.

Goobers and people who think Culp would be a good governor.

It's scary.   I can't help but think we're being complacent in our King/Pierce/Thurston/Snoho bubble like the rest of the country was in 2016.

There really could be just enough goobers to unseat Inslee.  They farking hate him.


Yeah, no.

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2020-10-26 1:09:45 PM  

weddingsinger: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: thorpe: Let's see who's not doing their job, besides Trump.

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A more honest graph would have used Red and Blue for the state bars.

At this point its so widespread it doesn't matter.  Red states infect neighboring blue states.  Minnesota, for example, is surrounding by infected stupid.


"Minnesota ain't that Blue." -- George Floyd's ghost
 
2020-10-26 1:11:13 PM  

Mad_Radhu: whidbey: Momzilla59: whidbey: All you have to do is go to the comments section of any news page or governor's page on FB.

Goobers.

Goobers everywhere.

Goobers and people who think Culp would be a good governor.

It's scary.   I can't help but think we're being complacent in our King/Pierce/Thurston/Snoho bubble like the rest of the country was in 2016.

There really could be just enough goobers to unseat Inslee.  They farking hate him.

Yeah, no.

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We thought the same thing about Trump.

40% is way too farking high.  In any of your examples.
 
2020-10-26 1:19:59 PM  

Shaggy_C: If only we had good, socialist governments like in Europe instead of shiatty leadership like Trump. Then our curve would look--

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Oh...


Hey, in a month when I show this graph to you will you admit to being wrong and vote straight D the rest of your life?

Further, I'm a liberal and not very bright, what actions did Trump take to slow the spread?
 
2020-10-26 1:23:20 PM  

Shaggy_C: If only we had good, socialist governments like in Europe instead of shiatty leadership like Trump. Then our curve would look--

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Oh...


Things were always going to get worse when the weather got colder and we went back into flu season. The only difference between the US and Europe right now is that we had a peak in the middle of summer, which should have been the easiest time to control the virus.
 
2020-10-26 1:44:15 PM  
I am perplexed as we try this and that and it doesn't work.  and no one talks about the other harmful effects.

Case in point, my best friend lost his job and was stuck trying to pay bills.  I was helping him out and he kept promising to pay me back (which wasn't a huge worry).  so he called and told me he pulled his pension out and I got paid back a big chunk.

That night he OD'd.
 
2020-10-26 1:45:16 PM  

cartersdad: I am perplexed as we try this and that and it doesn't work.  and no one talks about the other harmful effects.

Case in point, my best friend lost his job and was stuck trying to pay bills.  I was helping him out and he kept promising to pay me back (which wasn't a huge worry).  so he called and told me he pulled his pension out and I got paid back a big chunk.

That night he OD'd.


Here's my "sad" :-(
 
2020-10-26 1:47:00 PM  

cartersdad: I am perplexed as we try this and that and it doesn't work.  and no one talks about the other harmful effects.

Case in point, my best friend lost his job and was stuck trying to pay bills.  I was helping him out and he kept promising to pay me back (which wasn't a huge worry).  so he called and told me he pulled his pension out and I got paid back a big chunk.

That night he OD'd.


What exactly was tried? We didn't even shut down, we had no follow up, no testing strategy, nothing. I'm sorry your friend OD'd, ask why your elected officials didn't do anything with the time they were given.
 
2020-10-26 1:55:20 PM  
Bla Bla Bla......Yawn.
 
2020-10-26 2:02:31 PM  

cartersdad: I am perplexed as we try this and that and it doesn't work.  and no one talks about the other harmful effects.

Case in point, my best friend lost his job and was stuck trying to pay bills.  I was helping him out and he kept promising to pay me back (which wasn't a huge worry).  so he called and told me he pulled his pension out and I got paid back a big chunk.

That night he OD'd.


Wow. That is truly terrible. Sorry for your loss.
 
2020-10-26 2:09:17 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: Shaggy_C: If only we had good, socialist governments like in Europe instead of shiatty leadership like Trump. Then our curve would look--

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Oh...

Hey, in a month when I show this graph to you will you admit to being wrong and vote straight D the rest of your life?

Further, I'm a liberal and not very bright, what actions did Trump take to slow the spread?


I remember Trump limitng travel from China. And Biden called him a xenophobe for it. The fact that Biden was more interested in scoring political points than he was with stopping the spread and was willing to sacrifice my life and the lives of all Americans tells me everything I need to know about Biden.
 
2020-10-26 2:20:20 PM  

Flashlight: Surrender your boo-tah: Shaggy_C: If only we had good, socialist governments like in Europe instead of shiatty leadership like Trump. Then our curve would look--

[cdn.statcdn.com image 850x850]

Oh...

Hey, in a month when I show this graph to you will you admit to being wrong and vote straight D the rest of your life?

Further, I'm a liberal and not very bright, what actions did Trump take to slow the spread?

I remember Trump limitng travel from China. And Biden called him a xenophobe for it. The fact that Biden was more interested in scoring political points than he was with stopping the spread and was willing to sacrifice my life and the lives of all Americans tells me everything I need to know about Biden.


"Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure. "

https://apnews.com/article/d227b34b16​8​e576bf5068b92a03c003d


"
President Donald Trump failed to impose restrictions on travelers from Europe until mid-March, allowing a flood of Covid-19 cases into the U.S."

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/12/u​-​s-got-more-confirmed-index-cases-of-co​ronavirus-from-europe-than-from-china/​
 
2020-10-26 2:22:08 PM  

AwfulObject: cartersdad: I am perplexed as we try this and that and it doesn't work.  and no one talks about the other harmful effects.

Case in point, my best friend lost his job and was stuck trying to pay bills.  I was helping him out and he kept promising to pay me back (which wasn't a huge worry).  so he called and told me he pulled his pension out and I got paid back a big chunk.

That night he OD'd.

What exactly was tried? We didn't even shut down, we had no follow up, no testing strategy, nothing. I'm sorry your friend OD'd, ask why your elected officials didn't do anything with the time they were given.


States were tapped out and couldn't afford to help more than they did. The federal government easily could have afforded to step in, pay people's rent for a while, give that $600/week to everyone regardless of unemployment status and continued it for the whole summer, but we don't do that, apparently. Not in this country. We only take care of our corporations.
 
2020-10-26 2:28:10 PM  

Froman: AwfulObject: cartersdad: I am perplexed as we try this and that and it doesn't work.  and no one talks about the other harmful effects.

Case in point, my best friend lost his job and was stuck trying to pay bills.  I was helping him out and he kept promising to pay me back (which wasn't a huge worry).  so he called and told me he pulled his pension out and I got paid back a big chunk.

That night he OD'd.

What exactly was tried? We didn't even shut down, we had no follow up, no testing strategy, nothing. I'm sorry your friend OD'd, ask why your elected officials didn't do anything with the time they were given.

States were tapped out and couldn't afford to help more than they did. The federal government easily could have afforded to step in, pay people's rent for a while, give that $600/week to everyone regardless of unemployment status and continued it for the whole summer, but we don't do that, apparently. Not in this country. We only take care of our corporations.


This, and also, we couldn't even institute a national track and trace, and our controlling entity decided to latch on to an astrotufing movement engineered in part by the DeVoss's for political gain and in the face of the very guidance it suggested to states. Our elected leaders did less than nothing - they purposefully undermined our response for financial and political gain.

Perhaps the guy's friend that OD'd will remember that the next time he votes.
 
2020-10-26 2:28:45 PM  

Flashlight: Surrender your boo-tah: Shaggy_C: If only we had good, socialist governments like in Europe instead of shiatty leadership like Trump. Then our curve would look--

[cdn.statcdn.com image 850x850]

Oh...

Hey, in a month when I show this graph to you will you admit to being wrong and vote straight D the rest of your life?

Further, I'm a liberal and not very bright, what actions did Trump take to slow the spread?

I remember Trump limitng travel from China. And Biden called him a xenophobe for it. The fact that Biden was more interested in scoring political points than he was with stopping the spread and was willing to sacrifice my life and the lives of all Americans tells me everything I need to know about Biden.


This is a lie. Democrats called Trump xenophobic for extending a travel ban on Nigeria, Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Sudan, and Tanzania.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01​/​31/trump-administration-expands-travel​-ban-110005
 
2020-10-26 2:29:07 PM  

Froman: Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise

Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.


Sort of curious what you think a govt can do to protect you ? 

You can stay home... You can wear a mask... You can socially distance. 

Do you need a babysitter to tell you what to do ?
 
2020-10-26 2:35:12 PM  

geggam: Froman: Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise

Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.

Sort of curious what you think a govt can do to protect you ? 

You can stay home... You can wear a mask... You can socially distance. 

Do you need a babysitter to tell you what to do ?


Is this a real question?
 
2020-10-26 2:35:51 PM  

eurotrader: Republicans announcing that they don't care if people live or die and crashing the economy is their goal. Republicans not even voting on Covid relief shows they want the US to burn. Republicans truly are POS.


Nancy Pelosi is the sole reason there hasn't been another stimulus. Too much grift for Dems states that were broke well before the pandemic.
 
2020-10-26 2:39:19 PM  

AwfulObject: geggam: Froman: Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise

Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.

Sort of curious what you think a govt can do to protect you ? 

You can stay home... You can wear a mask... You can socially distance. 

Do you need a babysitter to tell you what to do ?

Is this a real question?


Testing doesnt stop the virus, avoiding people does. 

Seriously... what would you do if you were POTUS
 
2020-10-26 2:39:36 PM  

geggam: Froman: Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise

Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.

Sort of curious what you think a govt can do to protect you ?

You can stay home... You can wear a mask... You can socially distance.

Do you need a babysitter to tell you what to do ?


Not even sure I can dignify this with a response. If at this point you can't see how this can only be fought on the collective level you're pretty hopeless and failed as a human. I remember one guy who was so offended by the concept that wearing a mask was not about him but protecting others that he went ballistic.

I suppose you'll also tell me that only thing stopping Purdue Pharma from killing middle America with opioids was that the government made them do it. That's more or less the mental gymnastic libertarian answer to everything.
 
2020-10-26 2:47:46 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Olliewog: Personally I would like to see the percentage of people testing positive as opposed to a number.  Testing is more common and faster than even 6 weeks ago.  I know 12 people tested in the last 10 days that got tested simply because they finally could.

Numbers are arbitrary and can be manipulated to support the narrative you want to tell.  Percentage of tested vs. positive paints a much more accurate picture.  The article states percentage rise in cases but missed stating percentage of people being tested that are positive.

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This is a decent overview. The second peak of "daily cases" appears much larger than the first one, but the number of hospitalizations were about the same. This suggests that the first peak of the reported cases was artificially low due to limited testing. There is some increase in testing from the second to the third peak, but it's a smaller ratio this time.



Only rRT-PCR and NAAT test positives go on the list of cases. Antigen "fast tests" do not count unless they are accompanied by symptoms ("presumptive" positives), which is why so many asymptomatic people need to be tested twice.

But all kinds of tests go on the list of "daily tests", and most of the testing increase since July has been the near-zero-false-negative antigen tests because organizations like sports teams are trying to create bubbles. So unless that rate of test positives is excluding the fast tests, any decrease in the rate is meaningless.
 
2020-10-26 2:50:46 PM  

Froman: geggam: Froman: Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise

Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.

Sort of curious what you think a govt can do to protect you ?

You can stay home... You can wear a mask... You can socially distance.

Do you need a babysitter to tell you what to do ?

Not even sure I can dignify this with a response. If at this point you can't see how this can only be fought on the collective level you're pretty hopeless and failed as a human. I remember one guy who was so offended by the concept that wearing a mask was not about him but protecting others that he went ballistic.

I suppose you'll also tell me that only thing stopping Purdue Pharma from killing middle America with opioids wa ...


If every individual took personal responsibility the collective would be fine.  This idea you need to be told what to do is infantile 

Fix your own house before you worry about others.
 
2020-10-26 2:52:21 PM  

geggam: If every individual took personal responsibility the collective would be fine.  This idea you need to be told what to do is infantile 

Fix your own house before you worry about others.


Except it's the people saying shiat like you've said in this thread that's making us unable to fix our house. You're the ones making sure the US has the worst response possible to this virus.
 
2020-10-26 2:57:52 PM  

TheSubjunctive: [Fark user image image 500x253]

I wish I could say confidently where we are on this chart.


We are at the start of the big hump.
 
2020-10-26 3:01:38 PM  

geggam: Froman: Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise

Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.

Sort of curious what you think a govt can do to protect you ? 

You can stay home... You can wear a mask... You can socially distance. 

Do you need a babysitter to tell you what to do ?


How does staying at home pay my rent?
 
2020-10-26 3:01:43 PM  

geggam: AwfulObject: geggam: Froman: Crazy Lee: Ambivalence: And the federal government has officially declared it has no interest in stopping it.

And  the federal government Trump Administration has officially declared it has no interest in utilizing those Federal Resources at their disposal in stopping it.

/just a little more precise

Political pseudo-intellectuals will cry about how this is a perfect example of how terrible government is at everything and that it has failed on every level. Well, that's what happens when you either voted directly for or were OK with a ruthless mobbed up notorious celebrity "business" man who never held public office taking over the executive branch and staffing it with his sycophants and crime partners. It was clear that Trump was the anti-government president. Drain the swamp. Dismantle the administrative state. Disable our regulatory agencies. Fire literally everyone not working directly for the enrichment of America's industrial leaders.

For everyone who thinks they're so SMRT because they hate government and don't trust it, here is a preview of your world. But if you are truly OK with Amazon, Facebook, ExxonMobil, Canadian mining conglomerates, and Big Ag deciding your fate with no ability for you to vote(because what are you gonna do, stop using your computer, stop buying things you want, and stop eating?) then I won't argue. You do you.

Sort of curious what you think a govt can do to protect you ?

You can stay home... You can wear a mask... You can socially distance.

Do you need a babysitter to tell you what to do ?

Is this a real question?

Testing doesnt stop the virus, avoiding people does.

Seriously... what would you do if you were POTUS


Let's start with an actual shut-down. One that looks like Canada or Germany. Two weeks - only essential personnel. No wiggle room, government shores up everyone Canada style everybody gets money.

Then robust testing and tracking so you can have a control on where you allocate resource you can be more effective in your usage of PPE and manpower; and I'd utilize the national stockpile and DPA to shore up access to badly needed resources.

I would have had thermal scanners installed at every major airport and probably at major food processing facilities.  There's no reason that these people should be in peril every time they go to work. International flights shut down totally until we get a handle on transmission.

Ease restrictions, keep tracking and tracing, button down locally during flare-ups until a medical solution surfaces. Sure, it would cost a lot of money - but so will a million or so dead people and thrice as much with possibly permanent disability.
 
2020-10-26 3:06:59 PM  
geggam:

This is the first time in history the conservative political outlook can negatively impact people in real time. Contrary to your belief, you are your brother's keeper - your personal decisions have a very serious and immediate effect on the people around you.

No man is an island, we live together or die apart; national nightmare outside shoulda told ya.
 
2020-10-26 3:07:04 PM  
"We are likely to see a very dense epidemic"

Very dense indeed.
 
2020-10-26 3:07:56 PM  
Tman144:

How does staying at home pay my rent?

Suppose you had been living inside your means and saved ? Maybe not bought so much on credit... listened to your granny who lived thru the depression ? 

Where would you be now ?
 
2020-10-26 3:09:48 PM  

AwfulObject: geggam:

This is the first time in history the conservative political outlook can negatively impact people in real time. Contrary to your belief, you are your brother's keeper - your personal decisions have a very serious and immediate effect on the people around you.

No man is an island, we live together or die apart; national nightmare outside shoulda told ya.


Interesting quotes

What do you see as a feasible plan for the govt ? 

I see everyone say the govt should do more but I have yet to see anyone come up with a feasible plan of action
 
2020-10-26 3:11:06 PM  

geggam: AwfulObject: geggam:

This is the first time in history the conservative political outlook can negatively impact people in real time. Contrary to your belief, you are your brother's keeper - your personal decisions have a very serious and immediate effect on the people around you.

No man is an island, we live together or die apart; national nightmare outside shoulda told ya.

Interesting quotes

What do you see as a feasible plan for the govt ?

I see everyone say the govt should do more but I have yet to see anyone come up with a feasible plan of action


I quoted you one above.
 
2020-10-26 3:13:15 PM  

geggam: Tman144:

How does staying at home pay my rent?

Suppose you had been living inside your means and saved ? Maybe not bought so much on credit... listened to your granny who lived thru the depression ?

Where would you be now ?


Can't save what you don't get, most people don't have enough to cover a small emergency let alone a big one.
 
2020-10-26 3:13:40 PM  

AwfulObject: Let's start with an actual shut-down. One that looks like Canada or Germany. Two weeks - only essential personnel. No wiggle room, government shores up everyone Canada style everybody gets money.

Then robust testing and tracking so you can have a control on where you allocate resource you can be more effective in your usage of PPE and manpower; and I'd utilize the national stockpile and DPA to shore up access to badly needed resources.

I would have had thermal scanners installed at every major airport and probably at major food processing facilities.  There's no reason that these people should be in peril every time they go to work. International flights shut down totally until we get a handle on transmission.

Ease restrictions, keep tracking and tracing, button down locally during flare-ups until a medical solution surfaces. Sure, it would cost a lot of money - but so will a million or so dead people and thrice as much with possibly permanent disability.


OK 

I have been in airports... they are really devoid of people so your impact isnt going to be as big as you think 

Tracking and tracing does what  ? tells you who is sick it does nothing to stop the spread. 

You  have a bug that hops into cats and dogs... probably rats. 

How are you addressing those vectors without a complete shutdown which will in fact kill more people than this bug is capable of. 

The govt printing machine cannot print that much money and keep inflation from going off the rails. 

Next idea ?
 
2020-10-26 3:15:10 PM  

AwfulObject: geggam: Tman144:

How does staying at home pay my rent?

Suppose you had been living inside your means and saved ? Maybe not bought so much on credit... listened to your granny who lived thru the depression ?

Where would you be now ?

Can't save what you don't get, most people don't have enough to cover a small emergency let alone a big one.


So you are already in a bad shape and this was going to happen regardless ... 

Perhaps that is why you are so ready for someone to fix your issues ?
 
2020-10-26 3:18:24 PM  

geggam: AwfulObject: geggam: Tman144:

How does staying at home pay my rent?

Suppose you had been living inside your means and saved ? Maybe not bought so much on credit... listened to your granny who lived thru the depression ?

Where would you be now ?

Can't save what you don't get, most people don't have enough to cover a small emergency let alone a big one.

So you are already in a bad shape and this was going to happen regardless ... 

Perhaps that is why you are so ready for someone to fix your issues ?


Why don't poor people just buy more money?
 
2020-10-26 3:21:07 PM  

geggam: If every individual took personal responsibility the collective would be fine. This idea you need to be told what to do is infantile

Fix your own house before you worry about others.


I don't need to be told what to do because I look at everything with adult responsibility. Like normal people. You however, seem to be acting like a teenager who DOES need to be told what to do because you only look out for yourself. I would wear a mask and distance without government. It's people like you who won't do it unless forced, that I am worried about. If a store employee asks you to wear a mask and stay 6ft away from other customers do you tell them they have no right to tell you what to do? Say "it's your responsibility not mine?"

WTF is going on in America, is there something in the water preventing people's brains from developing past adolescence or something?
 
2020-10-26 3:22:53 PM  

geggam: AwfulObject: Let's start with an actual shut-down. One that looks like Canada or Germany. Two weeks - only essential personnel. No wiggle room, government shores up everyone Canada style everybody gets money.

Then robust testing and tracking so you can have a control on where you allocate resource you can be more effective in your usage of PPE and manpower; and I'd utilize the national stockpile and DPA to shore up access to badly needed resources.

I would have had thermal scanners installed at every major airport and probably at major food processing facilities.  There's no reason that these people should be in peril every time they go to work. International flights shut down totally until we get a handle on transmission.

Ease restrictions, keep tracking and tracing, button down locally during flare-ups until a medical solution surfaces. Sure, it would cost a lot of money - but so will a million or so dead people and thrice as much with possibly permanent disability.

OK 

I have been in airports... they are really devoid of people so your impact isnt going to be as big as you think 

Tracking and tracing does what  ? tells you who is sick it does nothing to stop the spread. 

You  have a bug that hops into cats and dogs... probably rats. 

How are you addressing those vectors without a complete shutdown which will in fact kill more people than this bug is capable of. 

The govt printing machine cannot print that much money and keep inflation from going off the rails. 

Next idea ?


??? These things have worked in other countries. Physics and the properties of viral transmission do not change when they come to ground in the US so they would work here. Yes, thermal imaging would still work at airports because even with shut down travel - there is still essential travel being done and it's usually at international airports that it's being done.

"How are you addressing those vectors without a complete shutdown which will in fact kill more people than this bug is capable of."

??? To date, COVID has killed more people than every conflict the US has been in *combined* if you minus out WW2. This is a bad talking point.

"The govt printing machine cannot print that much money and keep inflation from going off the rails."

Canada has less GDP per capita than us and is able to do it without going off the rails.  We can't because ?????.  Also, we'll have to spend the money either way, so might as well spend it keeping people alive rather than toss it in the hole as people die and become disabled.
 
2020-10-26 3:24:42 PM  

OptionC: geggam: AwfulObject: geggam: Tman144:

How does staying at home pay my rent?

Suppose you had been living inside your means and saved ? Maybe not bought so much on credit... listened to your granny who lived thru the depression ?

Where would you be now ?

Can't save what you don't get, most people don't have enough to cover a small emergency let alone a big one.

So you are already in a bad shape and this was going to happen regardless ... 

Perhaps that is why you are so ready for someone to fix your issues ?

Why don't poor people just buy more money?


Or... like when I was poor get free college... community college... apply themselves and change their career path 

All sorts of free money out there. All sorts of programs

You have to get off your ass and go get it
 
2020-10-26 3:27:03 PM  

geggam: OptionC: geggam: AwfulObject: geggam: Tman144:

How does staying at home pay my rent?

Suppose you had been living inside your means and saved ? Maybe not bought so much on credit... listened to your granny who lived thru the depression ?

Where would you be now ?

Can't save what you don't get, most people don't have enough to cover a small emergency let alone a big one.

So you are already in a bad shape and this was going to happen regardless ...

Perhaps that is why you are so ready for someone to fix your issues ?

Why don't poor people just buy more money?

Or... like when I was poor get free college... community college... apply themselves and change their career path

All sorts of free money out there. All sorts of programs

You have to get off your ass and go get it


You do understand how wealth works, right? Zero-sum and all?
 
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