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2020-10-26 11:22:07 AM  
The Washington team beat Andy like a red-headed stepchild.
 
2020-10-26 11:42:23 AM  
Jerry just needs to walk the sideline.  That outta do it.
 
2020-10-26 12:01:45 PM  
The Ws looked even more distraught than the Cowboys after the hit.
 
2020-10-26 12:03:39 PM  
The Washington Football Team has kinda grown on me as a name and I hope they keep it.
 
2020-10-26 12:25:05 PM  
The Cowboys back-up QB was out on the field before Dalton's helmet had stopped rolling...he knew Andy was dead.
 
2020-10-26 12:26:04 PM  

born_yesterday: Jerry just needs to walk the sideline.  That outta do it.


I don't know, that might not be enough with the severe clapping shortage.
 
2020-10-26 12:28:06 PM  
I said in the SUnday NFL thread, there are three penalties at the NFL level, i will never understand how/why players commit them:

1.  Offsides
2.  H2H / targeting
3.  Using an opposing player as a bouncy house / trampoline (go ask Seattle how costly that was last night).

offsides is so elementary.  Here's the line.  don't farking cross it until the ball is snapped.

the H2H/targeting here was pretty farking brutal.  I read where the NFL will not suspend the player, just fine him, but, godamn.  that was ugly.  and bush league targeting.  the ejection was 100% warranted but he should miss a game check.  How does that farking happen at this level?  that's taught in kid's leagues, high school, college.  unreal.
 
2020-10-26 12:32:27 PM  
That looks like it hurt.
 
2020-10-26 12:34:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: the ejection was 100% warranted but he should miss a game check.


I thought that automatically happens.
 
2020-10-26 12:44:35 PM  

rjakobi: rickythepenguin: the ejection was 100% warranted but he should miss a game check.

I thought that automatically happens.


I don't know but i think the ejection is just, well, ejection.  A suspension - illegal hit, drugs, PEDs, criminal act, you are 100% barred from any and all team activity (no practice, no weight room, no film study, no contact with the team*, and, you don't get paid.)

*when Sean Payton was suspended, albeit under the old labor agreement, he accidentally ran into the owner or some high level team coach/executive, and the story goes, he had to frantically self-report to the NFL before the story became "Payton caught kibbutzing with Saints executive."
 
2020-10-26 12:46:36 PM  

rickythepenguin: I said in the SUnday NFL thread, there are three penalties at the NFL level, i will never understand how/why players commit them:

1.  Offsides
2.  H2H / targeting
3.  Using an opposing player as a bouncy house / trampoline (go ask Seattle how costly that was last night).

offsides is so elementary.  Here's the line.  don't farking cross it until the ball is snapped.

the H2H/targeting here was pretty farking brutal.  I read where the NFL will not suspend the player, just fine him, but, godamn.  that was ugly.  and bush league targeting.  the ejection was 100% warranted but he should miss a game check.  How does that farking happen at this level?  that's taught in kid's leagues, high school, college.  unreal.


Helmet to helmet can be one of those plays where the defender does everything right but the person he's trying to tackle crouches or bends over and basically puts their head right where the defender is going for.  The quarterback slide puts puts the QBs head right where a defender is aiming for a legal tackle.
 
2020-10-26 12:56:10 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Helmet to helmet can be one of those plays where the defender does everything right but the person he's trying to tackle crouches or bends over and basically puts their head right where the defender is going for


yeah you're right, i should clarify;  targeting.  the Dalton hit was 100% targeting. one, newsflash, he's a QB.  and he was sliding.  ha the player gone shoulder to shoulder, it is still a penalty, once the QB starts sliding (now, if the QB 'becomes a runner' - the magic phrase - and refuses to slide, he's open season.  but tha tplay, Dalton slid, and the player targeted him.

H2H can be subjective.  hell last night Buddha Baker went H2H on a Seattle RB (and Buddha got the worst of it, the refs sent him off for a play for cautionary reasons).  sometimes it is a, pardon the pun, "bang bang" play.

so targeting, at this level, not necessarily H2H.  All targeting is H2H, not all H2H is targeting.
 
2020-10-26 1:02:50 PM  
In maybe any other season, someone would have shown up to throw hands for Dallas Cowboys quarterback Andy Dalton.

Any other NHL season, until about 10-20 years ago, that is.

Just spitballing here but I'm guessing no Cowboys player wanted to follow Bostic's ejection with his own.
 
2020-10-26 1:08:29 PM  

rickythepenguin: Jeebus Saves: Helmet to helmet can be one of those plays where the defender does everything right but the person he's trying to tackle crouches or bends over and basically puts their head right where the defender is going for

yeah you're right, i should clarify;  targeting.  the Dalton hit was 100% targeting. one, newsflash, he's a QB.  and he was sliding.  ha the player gone shoulder to shoulder, it is still a penalty, once the QB starts sliding (now, if the QB 'becomes a runner' - the magic phrase - and refuses to slide, he's open season.  but tha tplay, Dalton slid, and the player targeted him.

H2H can be subjective.  hell last night Buddha Baker went H2H on a Seattle RB (and Buddha got the worst of it, the refs sent him off for a play for cautionary reasons).  sometimes it is a, pardon the pun, "bang bang" play.

so targeting, at this level, not necessarily H2H.  All targeting is H2H, not all H2H is targeting.


I see the same thing here though.  The defender had already shifted his weight and was ready to go forward when Dalton started the slide.  Not much you can do in these situations as a defender.  How many times have you seen a QB not slide and a defender pull up and the QB run past them?  The whole incident took place in less than a second.  I've seen plays where a defender hits a QB already on the ground.  I'd call that targeting.
 
2020-10-26 1:20:39 PM  
I'm a Washington Football Team fan, and that was a dirty farking hit. Bostic deserved tobe ejected for it, and I'm amazed that the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE doesn't seem to be planning to suspend him for that headhunting hit.
 
2020-10-26 1:23:20 PM  

rickythepenguin: yeah you're right, i should clarify;  targeting.


Is targeting specifically a penalty at the NFL level? I know it should be, but I didn't think it actually was, merely at NCAA level.
 
2020-10-26 1:23:30 PM  
"The last time I saw a redhead slammed that hard I had to clear my browser history."
 
2020-10-26 1:24:55 PM  
I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.
 
2020-10-26 1:27:10 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: The Washington Football Team has kinda grown on me as a name and I hope they keep it.


They haven't earned it yet

/HTTWFT
 
2020-10-26 1:28:19 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The defender had already shifted his weight and was ready to go forward when Dalton started the slide. Not much you can do in these situations as a defender. How many times have you seen a QB not slide and a defender pull up and the QB run past them?


we can agree to disagree.  and im not slamming the keyboard, frothing at the mouth.  to me, Dalton's in his slide.  and the player could have let up.

and, to the bold part..........

1)  Once.  about a year ago. Defense let up, the QB kept going.  so once in about 10-12 years of the NFL QB slide rule.

2)  Second, I presume the defense knows its noted speedster, the "Redheaded Kyler Murray", aka "The Ginger Usain Bolt", they were plaing against, right?  Did WFT guy really think ANDY DALTON was going to pull some Kyler Murray shake and bake?
 
2020-10-26 1:28:24 PM  

LucklessWonder: rickythepenguin: yeah you're right, i should clarify;  targeting.

Is targeting specifically a penalty at the NFL level? I know it should be, but I didn't think it actually was, merely at NCAA level.


I think in the NFL rulebook it all falls under unnecessary roughness, but there's now language, similar to the college football targeting rule, that can get you ejected for egregious hits like that.
 
2020-10-26 1:29:52 PM  

LucklessWonder: Is targeting specifically a penalty at the NFL level? I know it should be, but I didn't think it actually was, merely at NCAA level.


I don't think so, it is a legit NCAA thing. I do nto think "targeting" is a penalty, but i'm saying when a player actively goes for the head shot, he is small letter "T" targeting the player.  I saw WFT player did.  I could be wrong.
 
2020-10-26 1:30:56 PM  

demonfaerie: I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.


Allegedly.
 
2020-10-26 1:33:49 PM  
If the guy didn't have bad luck he'd have no luck at all.  First playing for the Bengals, then for Jerry Jones.  He should sign with the Jets next year just to show what a masochist he is.
 
2020-10-26 1:34:29 PM  

rickythepenguin: LucklessWonder: Is targeting specifically a penalty at the NFL level? I know it should be, but I didn't think it actually was, merely at NCAA level.

I don't think so, it is a legit NCAA thing. I do nto think "targeting" is a penalty, but i'm saying when a player actively goes for the head shot, he is small letter "T" targeting the player.  I saw WFT player did.  I could be wrong.


I absolutely agree with you, as noted by the post I made initially in this thread. (We'll see if that verbiage triggers a filter). Just the specific term targeting had a meaning in college football that it doesn't in the NFL.

I hope that K3rberos is right about added language to unnecessary roughness. Bostic should not be playing the next game for the Football Team.
 
2020-10-26 1:36:13 PM  
I've always despised Andy Dalton because his TCU team beat Wisconsin in the one Rose Bowl I've been to.

That being said I don't wanna see him injured badly.  Well, maybe just a tiny bit.

/why yes TheFoz holds grudges
 
2020-10-26 1:41:24 PM  

rickythepenguin: I said in the SUnday NFL thread, there are three penalties at the NFL level, i will never understand how/why players commit them:

1.  Offsides
2.  H2H / targeting
3.  Using an opposing player as a bouncy house / trampoline (go ask Seattle how costly that was last night).


Since Budda Baker clearly did #2 and Bobby Wagner clearly did not do #3 (or any of the others) last night, it's hard to say how costly any of it really is.
 
2020-10-26 1:43:02 PM  

Rip_Rufus: demonfaerie: I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.

Allegedly.


Well, to be fair...
 
2020-10-26 1:46:47 PM  
So have the Cowboys activated Garrett Gilbert from the taxi squad?
 
2020-10-26 1:53:24 PM  

UNC_Samurai: So have the Cowboys activated Garrett Gilbert from the taxi squad?


Don't imagine they'll have a lot of choice - signing someone like Rosen off a practice squad would be better but needing 5-6 days of Covid testing before they could practice would make that useless unless they think Dalton is still gonna be Batman 2 weeks from now
 
2020-10-26 1:55:07 PM  

Cubs300: Rip_Rufus: demonfaerie: I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.

Allegedly.

Well, to be fair...


It was a sick ostrich.
 
2020-10-26 1:57:16 PM  

rickythepenguin: Jeebus Saves: The defender had already shifted his weight and was ready to go forward when Dalton started the slide. Not much you can do in these situations as a defender. How many times have you seen a QB not slide and a defender pull up and the QB run past them?

we can agree to disagree.  and im not slamming the keyboard, frothing at the mouth.  to me, Dalton's in his slide.  and the player could have let up.

and, to the bold part..........

1)  Once.  about a year ago. Defense let up, the QB kept going.  so once in about 10-12 years of the NFL QB slide rule.

2)  Second, I presume the defense knows its noted speedster, the "Redheaded Kyler Murray", aka "The Ginger Usain Bolt", they were plaing against, right?  Did WFT guy really think ANDY DALTON was going to pull some Kyler Murray shake and bake?


You don't watch enough Green Bay games.  Rodgers pulls that shiat all the time.  That and the "I'm running out of bounds" trick to get extra yards and later in the game a late hit called after a player tackles him an inch out of bounds.

How ever you want to look at it, the QB slide is a dangerous play.  It puts a players head right into the spot a defender is trying to tackle you at.  You cant give yourself up a yard away from a player and not expect to get hit.  Dalton would have been better off just getting tackled.
 
2020-10-26 2:04:46 PM  

EnormousGreenRageMonster: UNC_Samurai: So have the Cowboys activated Garrett Gilbert from the taxi squad?

Don't imagine they'll have a lot of choice - signing someone like Rosen off a practice squad would be better but needing 5-6 days of Covid testing before they could practice would make that useless unless they think Dalton is still gonna be Batman 2 weeks from now


There's always Kaepernick
 
2020-10-26 2:08:20 PM  

Super Chronic: Bobby Wagner clearly did not do #3 (or any of the others) last night


SEA LB did.  Cards were kicking a long FG - or was it a 4th down play? - and anyways, one of the guys (i could google it but that takes work, his name was like, "Anwayago" or something), went Operation Codename:  Bouncy House on a AZ lineman and was flagged.  that's a penalty 110 times out of 100.

it gave AZ I think 15 yards, auto first down, and Gonzalez was able to tie the game.  STupid, stupid, stupid penalty.  but it was not Wagner.
 
2020-10-26 2:08:39 PM  

demonfaerie: I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.


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"So the poor old ostrich died for nothing."
 
2020-10-26 2:08:54 PM  

Crewmannumber6: EnormousGreenRageMonster: UNC_Samurai: So have the Cowboys activated Garrett Gilbert from the taxi squad?

Don't imagine they'll have a lot of choice - signing someone like Rosen off a practice squad would be better but needing 5-6 days of Covid testing before they could practice would make that useless unless they think Dalton is still gonna be Batman 2 weeks from now

There's always Kaepernick


Jerruh is more likely to stick Kellen Moore back under center than go that route. That'd be most efficient even - he knows the offense and has been with the team so no testing requirements...hmmmm....
 
2020-10-26 2:12:24 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: The Washington Football Team has kinda grown on me as a name and I hope they keep it.

I'd prefer the Washington Team of Football. It would apply to the team and the city year round.
 
2020-10-26 2:14:32 PM  

rickythepenguin: Super Chronic: Bobby Wagner clearly did not do #3 (or any of the others) last night

SEA LB did.  Cards were kicking a long FG - or was it a 4th down play? - and anyways, one of the guys (i could google it but that takes work, his name was like, "Anwayago" or something), went Operation Codename:  Bouncy House on a AZ lineman and was flagged.  that's a penalty 110 times out of 100.

it gave AZ I think 15 yards, auto first down, and Gonzalez was able to tie the game.  STupid, stupid, stupid penalty.  but it was not Wagner.


Sorry, I was thinking of the wrong penalty. Yes, absolutely, that was inexcusable and moronic.
 
2020-10-26 2:16:54 PM  

Super Chronic: (i could google it but that takes work, his name was like, "Anwayago" or something)


Mayowa, by the way.

Journeyman who's in his second stint with the Hawks. He had eight sacks for the Raiders last year and has also played for Dallas but was useless in just about every possible way last night. He had been okay for the first five games though.
 
2020-10-26 2:19:47 PM  

Jeebus Saves: rickythepenguin: Jeebus Saves: Helmet to helmet can be one of those plays where the defender does everything right but the person he's trying to tackle crouches or bends over and basically puts their head right where the defender is going for

yeah you're right, i should clarify;  targeting.  the Dalton hit was 100% targeting. one, newsflash, he's a QB.  and he was sliding.  ha the player gone shoulder to shoulder, it is still a penalty, once the QB starts sliding (now, if the QB 'becomes a runner' - the magic phrase - and refuses to slide, he's open season.  but tha tplay, Dalton slid, and the player targeted him.

H2H can be subjective.  hell last night Buddha Baker went H2H on a Seattle RB (and Buddha got the worst of it, the refs sent him off for a play for cautionary reasons).  sometimes it is a, pardon the pun, "bang bang" play.

so targeting, at this level, not necessarily H2H.  All targeting is H2H, not all H2H is targeting.

I see the same thing here though.  The defender had already shifted his weight and was ready to go forward when Dalton started the slide.  Not much you can do in these situations as a defender.  How many times have you seen a QB not slide and a defender pull up and the QB run past them?  The whole incident took place in less than a second.  I've seen plays where a defender hits a QB already on the ground.  I'd call that targeting.


Here's how you can tell if your opinion is valid or not. Would you have screamed bloody murder if James Harrison had made the hit?
 
2020-10-26 2:21:44 PM  
I'm glad they kicked the Redskin player out of the game.
 
2020-10-26 2:27:05 PM  

Cleffer: I'm glad they kicked the Redskin Football Team player out of the game.


FTFY
 
2020-10-26 2:33:42 PM  

LucklessWonder: Cleffer: I'm glad they kicked the Redskin Football Team player out of the game.

FTFY


It was fine the way it was.
 
2020-10-26 2:33:55 PM  

Rip_Rufus: demonfaerie: I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.

Allegedly.


Well, it would take two guys to fark an ostrich. Three even.
 
2020-10-26 2:35:01 PM  

LucklessWonder: rickythepenguin: LucklessWonder: Is targeting specifically a penalty at the NFL level? I know it should be, but I didn't think it actually was, merely at NCAA level.

I don't think so, it is a legit NCAA thing. I do nto think "targeting" is a penalty, but i'm saying when a player actively goes for the head shot, he is small letter "T" targeting the player.  I saw WFT player did.  I could be wrong.

I absolutely agree with you, as noted by the post I made initially in this thread. (We'll see if that verbiage triggers a filter). Just the specific term targeting had a meaning in college football that it doesn't in the NFL.

I hope that K3rberos is right about added language to unnecessary roughness. Bostic should not be playing the next game for the Football Team.


Not sure if it's the "official" full rule book, but https://operations.nfl.com/the-ru​les/2​020-nfl-rulebook/ makes if seem like they've added a note to many types of penalties that just provide a "The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be flagrant."  That would cover these situations.  Some examples of rules this pertains to:

Unnecessary Roughness (including the protections to defenseless players)
Use of the Helmet (this reads like the newer lowering the helmet to initiate contact rule)
Roughing the Passer/Kicker/Holder
Striking, Kicking, or Kneeing Opponents
Twisting, Pulling, or Turning the Facemask of Helmet Opening
Horse-collar Tackle
Use of Helmet as a Weapon
Unsportsmanlike Conduct (in addition to the 2 strikes and you're out that also applies to some forms of this)
 
2020-10-26 2:36:22 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Jeebus Saves: rickythepenguin: Jeebus Saves: Helmet to helmet can be one of those plays where the defender does everything right but the person he's trying to tackle crouches or bends over and basically puts their head right where the defender is going for

yeah you're right, i should clarify;  targeting.  the Dalton hit was 100% targeting. one, newsflash, he's a QB.  and he was sliding.  ha the player gone shoulder to shoulder, it is still a penalty, once the QB starts sliding (now, if the QB 'becomes a runner' - the magic phrase - and refuses to slide, he's open season.  but tha tplay, Dalton slid, and the player targeted him.

H2H can be subjective.  hell last night Buddha Baker went H2H on a Seattle RB (and Buddha got the worst of it, the refs sent him off for a play for cautionary reasons).  sometimes it is a, pardon the pun, "bang bang" play.

so targeting, at this level, not necessarily H2H.  All targeting is H2H, not all H2H is targeting.

I see the same thing here though.  The defender had already shifted his weight and was ready to go forward when Dalton started the slide.  Not much you can do in these situations as a defender.  How many times have you seen a QB not slide and a defender pull up and the QB run past them?  The whole incident took place in less than a second.  I've seen plays where a defender hits a QB already on the ground.  I'd call that targeting.

Here's how you can tell if your opinion is valid or not. Would you have screamed bloody murder if James Harrison had made the hit?


Nope.
 
2020-10-26 2:40:25 PM  

Capt.Plywood: Rip_Rufus: demonfaerie: I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.

Allegedly.

Well, it would take two guys to fark an ostrich. Three even.


I heard it was a sick ostrich.
 
2020-10-26 2:42:14 PM  

rjakobi: The Ws looked even more distraught than the Cowboys after the hit.


Honestly, I think the Cowboys have already checked out and given up on the season.  Sure, they're in the worst division in football by a mile... but clearly, they've given up.

Is it mcCarthy's fault?  Is it Jerry's?  Both?  Probably both.
 
2020-10-26 2:48:08 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: The Washington Football Team has kinda grown on me as a name and I hope they keep it.


You could buy Washington Football Jerseys and drink Washington Football Beer.

\ The ads write themselves.
 
2020-10-26 2:52:21 PM  

demonfaerie: Capt.Plywood: Rip_Rufus: demonfaerie: I heard the Ginger farked an ostrich. It kind of explains why they didn't defend him.

Allegedly.

Well, it would take two guys to fark an ostrich. Three even.

I heard it was a sick ostrich.


I'm sure there are a few people going WTF?
 
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