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2020-10-26 10:49:54 AM  
Um...no. You don't just decide to "play Eddie Van Halen's part" on guitar. The man was damn near supernaturally talented. A rare handful of guitarists in the world could potentially recreate his sound accurately (plenty get close, but couldn't possibly nail the effortless fluidity and subtlety EVH poured through that instrument). The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.
 
2020-10-26 11:37:23 AM  
I'm one of the biggest VH fans ever.

But let it go. They haven't been relevant in years. I still listen to them all the time but even I recognize that a coke-fueled party band in their mid-to-late 60s is nothing anyone wants to see live.

Even getting Dave back... it's wasn't the same. They would have commercially done better sticking with Sammy (pains me to say).

Let's just enjoy the memories and watch concerts on YouTube and move on.

/fun fact. I once took a picture of the gate leading to Eddie's house
//it was only light stalking.
 
2020-10-26 11:37:27 AM  
Obviously, it can't be VH without Eddie.
 
2020-10-26 11:37:34 AM  
He's taking over from Michael Anthony in The Circle.
 
2020-10-26 11:40:06 AM  
"reunited Van Halen"

AKA county fair van halen or cut-rate casino van halen
 
2020-10-26 11:40:09 AM  

beezeltown: The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.


I agree that re-creating VH guitar parts is a nearly futile effort, but it's pretty weird to make a "potential of talent" argument about the man's biological son, who was raised in proximity to his father's rehearsals and has already played in the band.
 
2020-10-26 11:42:17 AM  
Well he certainly isn't going to do it on that 3-string bass he plays.
 
2020-10-26 11:56:05 AM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: beezeltown: The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.

I agree that re-creating VH guitar parts is a nearly futile effort, but it's pretty weird to make a "potential of talent" argument about the man's biological son, who was raised in proximity to his father's rehearsals and has already played in the band.


playing van halen bass lines is not anywhere near the same universe as playing van halen guitar lines.  you'd argue for a while that they're even the same dimension.
 
2020-10-26 12:10:10 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: Eddie Hazel's E string: beezeltown: The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.

I agree that re-creating VH guitar parts is a nearly futile effort, but it's pretty weird to make a "potential of talent" argument about the man's biological son, who was raised in proximity to his father's rehearsals and has already played in the band.

playing van halen bass lines is not anywhere near the same universe as playing van halen guitar lines. you'd argue for a while that they're even the same dimension.


The very first thing I mentioned was the difficulty of VH guitar parts.

The idea I disagree with was Wolfgang not having the same potential for talent. Whether you believe in the "nature" or "nurture" aspects of talent, he has both. He has half of Eddie's DNA and also had all the opportunity for early musical learning that occurs when you are constantly around professional musicians, have a father that teaches you music, and access to nice instruments and facilities to work on the craft.

And yes, Wolfgang does play guitar in addition to bass. He wants to focus on his own sound, his own career, and not imitating his father, but there's nothing to say that he doesn't have the potential to play guitar at a world class level.
 
2020-10-26 12:10:26 PM  
enquire
 
2020-10-26 12:18:31 PM  
They could be called "Van Hagar" and be a new band a la Chickenfoot.

But can we just let Wolfie be Wolfie?  Why does every musical child have to be their parents?  Sure Bonham did a pretty good job but he's bounced around so many bands I hate to wonder how many are on his Wiki page.  I can't think of a time where the kid lived up to the parents in the same business.

Let him be his own man and let the genius of his father rest.

/RIP Eddie.
//Wife is getting annoyed with my frequent VH playing
///Fair Warning was their best album
 
2020-10-26 12:18:31 PM  
It's been my personal experience one can play both the guitar and the bass (as I do) but one can only excel at one of them.

Eddie was a guitar player.

Wolfgang is a bass player.

Leave it at that.. and preserve videos and sheet music of Eddie's riffs for future generations when they get arrogant about their guitar skills and need to bow before one of the gods.

/"you're good, but you are not Eddie Van Halen good"
//"bow before the gods, you petulant child"
///I said BOW *dopeslap*
 
2020-10-26 12:18:58 PM  
The thing that is always bothered me about Van Halen friends like these is that Gary cherone always ends up getting the short end of the stick and he most definitely does not deserve it.

You have someone who is asked to fill in for the person who filled in for one of the people that defined what arena rock is. Then you try to force him into a vocal arrangement that is not his and then crap on him because he wasn't able to sound like Dave or Sammy.
 
2020-10-26 12:36:05 PM  

rummonkey: The thing that is always bothered me about Van Halen friends like these is that Gary cherone always ends up getting the short end of the stick and he most definitely does not deserve it.

You have someone who is asked to fill in for the person who filled in for one of the people that defined what arena rock is. Then you try to force him into a vocal arrangement that is not his and then crap on him because he wasn't able to sound like Dave or Sammy.


I've never met the guy myself, but I swear every Gen X guy around Boston who plays in bands has a story about how nice of a guy Cherone is IRL.
 
2020-10-26 12:41:06 PM  
I wonder what it would sound like with someone like George Lynch playing Van Halen songs.
 
2020-10-26 12:47:28 PM  
I mean, the obvious solution would be 2 guitar players (+ Sammy) if you were foolish enough to try at all.
 
2020-10-26 12:48:39 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: rummonkey: The thing that is always bothered me about Van Halen friends like these is that Gary cherone always ends up getting the short end of the stick and he most definitely does not deserve it.

You have someone who is asked to fill in for the person who filled in for one of the people that defined what arena rock is. Then you try to force him into a vocal arrangement that is not his and then crap on him because he wasn't able to sound like Dave or Sammy.

I've never met the guy myself, but I swear every Gen X guy around Boston who plays in bands has a story about how nice of a guy Cherone is IRL.


Is he so nice that it's more than words can say?
 
2020-10-26 12:49:23 PM  

Uncle Eazy: I'm one of the biggest VH fans ever.

But let it go. They haven't been relevant in years. I still listen to them all the time but even I recognize that a coke-fueled party band in their mid-to-late 60s is nothing anyone wants to see live.

Even getting Dave back... it's wasn't the same. They would have commercially done better sticking with Sammy (pains me to say).

Let's just enjoy the memories and watch concerts on YouTube and move on.

/fun fact. I once took a picture of the gate leading to Eddie's house
//it was only light stalking.


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2020-10-26 12:50:23 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Uncle Eazy: I'm one of the biggest VH fans ever.

But let it go. They haven't been relevant in years. I still listen to them all the time but even I recognize that a coke-fueled party band in their mid-to-late 60s is nothing anyone wants to see live.

Even getting Dave back... it's wasn't the same. They would have commercially done better sticking with Sammy (pains me to say).

Let's just enjoy the memories and watch concerts on YouTube and move on.

/fun fact. I once took a picture of the gate leading to Eddie's house
//it was only light stalking.

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Total SELF OWN there.

I misread it as THE mid-to late 60s.

I'll show myself the door.

Nice door.  I'll leave through it.
 
2020-10-26 12:54:03 PM  
He plays it about as well as the guy in our dad-rock garage band who always wants us to cover Eruption and then pouts when everyone says no...
Eruption Guitar Solo Performed On Original Frankie By Wolfgang Van Halen
Youtube cmz5hA2eNR8
 
2020-10-26 12:56:15 PM  

dougermouse: I can't think of a time where the kid lived up to the parents in the same business.


Music:
Jeff Buckley
Questlove
Arlo Guthrie
Miley Cyrus
Beck
Ravi Coltrane

Sports:
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Peyton Manning
Kobe Bryant
Barry Bonds
Patrick Mahomes
Stephen Curry

Hollywood:
Angelina Jolie
Kate Hudson
Michael Douglas
Liza Minnelli
Rob Reiner
Laura Dern
Jamie Lee Curtis
Kiefer Southerland

Government: John F. Kennedy
Science: Irene Curie

Sorry, this was too fun.
 
2020-10-26 1:04:08 PM  
Take over the Hollywood Bowl for a night.  Bring in Zakk Wylde, Satriani, Via, Lynch, etc and have them take Eddie's parts.  it'll give the fans one more thing and then it'll be over and done with.
 
2020-10-26 1:09:59 PM  

hogans: I wonder what it would sound like with someone like George Lynch playing Van Halen songs.


...or Paul Gilbert.

...or Steve Morse.
 
2020-10-26 1:16:22 PM  

ZMugg: hogans: I wonder what it would sound like with someone like George Lynch playing Van Halen songs.

...or Paul Gilbert.

...or Steve Morse.


Steve Morse ain't quitting Deep Purple anytime soon.
 
2020-10-26 1:29:20 PM  

drewogatory: ZMugg: hogans: I wonder what it would sound like with someone like George Lynch playing Van Halen songs.

...or Paul Gilbert.

...or Steve Morse.

Steve Morse ain't quitting Deep Purple anytime soon.


Sadly true.
Blackmore played with DP for 16 years. Morse has been in the band for 26 years (and counting).
Not going anywhere.
 
2020-10-26 1:34:48 PM  
Like others here, huge fan of van Halen growing up.  Van Halen as a band ended with Eddie's passing and even if they brought someone in to play Eddie's part nobody would want it because he was the star of the show.

I'm really happy they were able to get back with Dave for that last album though.
 
2020-10-26 2:03:44 PM  
Van Halen died with EVH.  The closest thing you're going to get is Steel Panther doing VH covers:

Steel Panther - You Really Got Me (Van Halen Cover) Live at Wacken 2018
Youtube mxQbZkvbE8o


or tribue band Atomic Punks...
 
2020-10-26 2:17:05 PM  
This is like saying Candace Bergen shouldn't suck at Ventriloquism.
 
2020-10-26 2:35:28 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Uncle Eazy: I'm one of the biggest VH fans ever.

But let it go. They haven't been relevant in years. I still listen to them all the time but even I recognize that a coke-fueled party band in their mid-to-late 60s is nothing anyone wants to see live.

Even getting Dave back... it's wasn't the same. They would have commercially done better sticking with Sammy (pains me to say).

Let's just enjoy the memories and watch concerts on YouTube and move on.

/fun fact. I once took a picture of the gate leading to Eddie's house
//it was only light stalking.

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David Lee Roth and Michael Anthony are both 66
Alex Van Halen is 67
 
2020-10-26 2:46:36 PM  
"He represents everything I hate-- boring macho energy, obviousness, ladies man"

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2020-10-26 2:57:54 PM  
I was under the impression Wolfgang was about to release a new album of his own stuff ?

And There is no Van Halen w/o Eddie. There is no reason to continue on as a band. If they want to play the music they all have their own bands and can feel free to stretch out under that framework w/o the baggage that trying to be VH brings.

Im sure there are plenty of live archives from the early days etrc if they just want to make s few $$
 
2020-10-26 3:28:02 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: beezeltown: The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.

I agree that re-creating VH guitar parts is a nearly futile effort, but it's pretty weird to make a "potential of talent" argument about the man's biological son, who was raised in proximity to his father's rehearsals and has already played in the band.


The total number of humans in earth who can really do those songs justice probably number in the dozens (or less). Related or not, the odds of "having it" are extremely low.
 
2020-10-26 3:30:17 PM  

beezeltown: Eddie Hazel's E string: beezeltown: The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.

I agree that re-creating VH guitar parts is a nearly futile effort, but it's pretty weird to make a "potential of talent" argument about the man's biological son, who was raised in proximity to his father's rehearsals and has already played in the band.

The total number of humans in earth who can really do those songs justice probably number in the dozens (or less). Related or not, the odds of "having it" are extremely low.


I've heard any number of people who can play those songs credibly. They couldn't have written them but they can damn sure play them.
 
2020-10-26 3:38:48 PM  
People can play them. I used to "play" them. What they don't do is get the swing, fluidity, vibrance and effortless execution right. You can hear, feel and see the difference, easily. That can't be recreated, it has to well up from within and explode effortlessly and perfectly. That's what EVH did, repeatedly. You could positively feel him having a blast while doing it.

I "know" one (Ben Lacy), and have seen a few others, but I would contend the total number who could actually push out authentic sounding and feeling EVH on a guitar are very, very few.
 
2020-10-26 3:42:56 PM  

rummonkey: The thing that is always bothered me about Van Halen friends like these is that Gary cherone always ends up getting the short end of the stick and he most definitely does not deserve it.

You have someone who is asked to fill in for the person who filled in for one of the people that defined what arena rock is. Then you try to force him into a vocal arrangement that is not his and then crap on him because he wasn't able to sound like Dave or Sammy.


TRAINWRECKORDS: "Van Halen III" by Van Halen
Youtube VwsficnHmhM


Some have argued that Gary Charone was not picked for his singing voice or lyrical skills, but because he was a convenient yes-man for the Van Halen brothers to solidify control over the band. VH had just gone through a second acrimonious breakup with a big-name singer, and not wanting to repeat the same mistake with Roth and Hagar, they picked someone who didn't have as big of an ego and would accept their direction for the band. Unfortunately this messed up the dynamic of how the band worked, resulting in some awful lyrics, disconnected songwriting, and one of the worst albums released by a major band.
 
2020-10-26 3:49:19 PM  

jumba: Van Halen died with EVH.  The closest thing you're going to get is Steel Panther doing VH covers:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/mxQbZkvb​E8o]

or tribue band Atomic Punks...


One of the most fun things that's ever happened to me was getting pulled out of the crowd to play bass with them on that song.  So not only can I say that I've jammed with Steel Panther on stage, I can also say that I've played a Van Halen song with the Atomic Punks.

After the song was over and I went back into the audience, a bunch of hot chicks came up to take selfies with me like I was part of the show.  I was all, "dude that was just one song".  haha I should have been a rock star.  Unfortunately, that's ALL the action I got that night.  My Steel Panther rub only went so far.....
 
2020-10-26 4:32:58 PM  
Arxane:Some have argued that Gary Charone was not picked for his singing voice or lyrical skills, but because he was a convenient yes-man for the Van Halen brothers to solidify control over the band. VH had just gone through a second acrimonious breakup with a big-name singer, and not wanting to repeat the same mistake with Roth and Hagar, they picked someone who didn't have as big of an ego and would accept their direction for the band. Unfortunately this messed up the dynamic of how the band worked, resulting in some awful lyrics, disconnected songwriting, and one of the worst albums released by a major band.

And if you saw them on that tour(I did) you realized that Cherone was just happy to be there. Sammy clearly wasn't a fan of playing Dave songs, but he had to, since they were the major hits(Jump, Panama, Ain't Talkin' Bout Love.) Cherone's show went a lot deeper into the Dave side of the catalog that Sammy was able to veto.

When they reunited with Dave, it's not like they wanted him to sing Hagar-era songs. Dave could barely sing Dave songs at that point.
 
2020-10-26 4:52:07 PM  
Dave could barely sing Dave-era songs during the Dave-era.

/Mr. Xibit
// White courtesy phone
///VH III slashies
 
2020-10-26 4:52:40 PM  
Saw the kid play in '07 and he's definitely got talent. Worthy of playing in a huge band like VH. Regardless of his talent, he's a big kid. His fingers likely couldn't finger the neck anywhere near how his dad did it. Probably doesn't want to play just like his dad anyway.

Will never happen, but I'd probably pay to see a VH show if they got a guitar legend to play Eddie's part. How about VH with Jimmie Page, Jeff Beck or Joe Satriani playing their own versions of Eddie on guitar? That would be cool to see. No Dave though, thanks. Dave will always be Diamond Dave, but his voice is shot.
 
2020-10-26 5:17:12 PM  

beezeltown: People can play them. I used to "play" them. What they don't do is get the swing, fluidity, vibrance and effortless execution right. You can hear, feel and see the difference, easily. That can't be recreated, it has to well up from within and explode effortlessly and perfectly. That's what EVH did, repeatedly. You could positively feel him having a blast while doing it.

I "know" one (Ben Lacy), and have seen a few others, but I would contend the total number who could actually push out authentic sounding and feeling EVH on a guitar are very, very few.


Look, he was amazing. but let's not sit here and pretend the dude had 'it' every night. He most certainly did not. I know everyone is sad a favorite is gone - it's a tragedy. But every show is not carnegie hall. There's a busload of dudes who can play that stuff just fine for your average arena rock show. Or I should say that there's a busload of dudes who can play it as well as eddie often did himself. He's way more amazing for having thought it up than for hammering out out time and again. The shortage of dudes who can faithfully play van halen tunes is greatly exaggerated in my opinion. Are they EVH? Of course not - he's dead. But I'd bet you can't reliably tell the difference with your eyes closed...
 
2020-10-26 5:38:38 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: Eddie Hazel's E string: beezeltown: The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.

I agree that re-creating VH guitar parts is a nearly futile effort, but it's pretty weird to make a "potential of talent" argument about the man's biological son, who was raised in proximity to his father's rehearsals and has already played in the band.

playing van halen bass lines is not anywhere near the same universe as playing van halen guitar lines.  you'd argue for a while that they're even the same dimension.


So Wolfie is a bass player? He should be able to do this then:
Van Halen ERUPTION Performed By PRO Bassist
Youtube 6SNkjkACRVQ
 
2020-10-26 7:07:57 PM  
In fairness, Sammy/Mike/Alex/Wolf with Ed's blessing is the only way I would want to see them, and I'd be the first in line, even if I had to wear a hazmat suit.
 
2020-10-26 8:32:49 PM  

JohnBigBootay: beezeltown: People can play them. I used to "play" them. What they don't do is get the swing, fluidity, vibrance and effortless execution right. You can hear, feel and see the difference, easily. That can't be recreated, it has to well up from within and explode effortlessly and perfectly. That's what EVH did, repeatedly. You could positively feel him having a blast while doing it.

I "know" one (Ben Lacy), and have seen a few others, but I would contend the total number who could actually push out authentic sounding and feeling EVH on a guitar are very, very few.

Look, he was amazing. but let's not sit here and pretend the dude had 'it' every night. He most certainly did not. I know everyone is sad a favorite is gone - it's a tragedy. But every show is not carnegie hall. There's a busload of dudes who can play that stuff just fine for your average arena rock show. Or I should say that there's a busload of dudes who can play it as well as eddie often did himself. He's way more amazing for having thought it up than for hammering out out time and again. The shortage of dudes who can faithfully play van halen tunes is greatly exaggerated in my opinion. Are they EVH? Of course not - he's dead. But I'd bet you can't reliably tell the difference with your eyes closed...


The 10 or so times I saw them he definitely had "it." Eddie on a bad night could steamroll 99.99% of all other guitarists.

The point of seeing Van Halen was to be utterly electrified. Eddie was the power plant, plain and simple. What's the point of going see (Some Dude) recreate EVH, even if technically accurate?

Is it possible for some combination of former VH members to reconfigure and hit the road for a neverending nostalgia tour? Sure. Maybe even likely. Will they live up to what a good cover band could produce? Probably not. Van Halen is dead and gone.
 
2020-10-26 8:43:48 PM  
What, so he can root-note it on bass as well as guitar? Good luck, kid.

/Michael Anthony got royally screwed.
 
2020-10-26 8:52:52 PM  
Wolfgang Van Halen is to Eddie Van Halen what A.J. Soprano was to Tony Soprano.

There, I said it, and all of it is true.
 
2020-10-26 9:46:54 PM  
I know one guitarist that can pull of EVH and he's playing bars and country clubs in Ft. Myers, FL. There's a reason he's playing bars and country clubs in Ft. Myers, FL and it isn't his playing.
 
2020-10-26 10:18:45 PM  
Trying to sound like evh is like trying to sound like Jimi. Lots of players get close. None really succeed. Maybe Dweezel Zappa or Russ Parrish? Def not me. I can play the notes up to speed but it's jut not the same.
 
2020-10-27 4:08:53 AM  

jumba: The closest thing you're going to get is Steel Panther doing VH covers


VH cover?

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2020-10-27 8:25:49 AM  
This guy could seriously pull it off...
Going Down The Rabbit Hole of UNCHAINED feat Kenny Aronoff
Youtube mz5_cdNj5qA
 
2020-10-27 1:05:43 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: beezeltown: The odds of Wolfgang possessing that level of talent are very low.

I agree that re-creating VH guitar parts is a nearly futile effort, but it's pretty weird to make a "potential of talent" argument about the man's biological son, who was raised in proximity to his father's rehearsals and has already played in the band.


Eddie was one of a kind. If Wolfgang was going to take over for his dad, he'd already be demonstrating his chops. He can't, his daddy knew he couldn't, so he let him play bass.

It is possible for talented folks to have kids with no talent, no matter how many lessons they take. I doubt Eddie pushed him, tho. Wolfie was born rich. There probably wasn't the same drive. On the other hand, his preternaturally talented dad worked his ass off to perfect his talents. Eddie and his brother wanted to be rock stars back when being a rock star was the ultimate dream come true. And don't forget, Eddie was a classically trained pianist, a friggin prodigy. If Wolfie had the same gifts, they'd already be apparent.

They could do a tribute with Sammy and, sigh, Dave Cherone. DLR is long past his prime. He's still a showman, but without the voice (and even then Dave wasn't that great) he's just another old man singing/talking/autotuning his way through a show.

Wolfgang could do a Ringo Starr, and just surround himself, and tour with all the greats. He is a Van Halen, and his uncle shouldn't mind, as long as he still gets his cut. Wolfgang will never be his dad, but he's got his dad's DNA, and for this sentimental old timer, sometimes that's enough.
 
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