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2020-10-26 8:33:05 AM  
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The profit margin is good, but our supply of core product is getting low. Time to start another "tough on crime" campaign and jail some people - the stock price must be maintained!
 
2020-10-26 8:56:12 AM  
We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.
 
2020-10-26 9:06:00 AM  

great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.


Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.
 
2020-10-26 9:08:58 AM  
Healthcare is a right. Universal healthcare should be available to all Americans, including prisoners.
 
2020-10-26 9:09:12 AM  

Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.


Prisons need to exist because of the crime bills in America.
 
2020-10-26 9:10:12 AM  

great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.


We're split the difference.
Ticket most offenders.
House arrest the rest.
Kill the worst.
 
2020-10-26 9:11:51 AM  

Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.


No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.
 
2020-10-26 9:14:50 AM  
Mandatory brain scan of everyone every 3 years starting at 15. We would stop the crazies ones before they do something stupid and we could treat them or put them out of society before they hurt somebody.

Do that and the real dangerous crimes will go down a lot.
 
2020-10-26 9:15:04 AM  
I swear I gotta solve everything.  The get all the health care they want but they have to pay for it all before they get released. Death row inmates get nothing just going to postpone the inevitable. Lifers too.
 
2020-10-26 9:17:22 AM  

waxbeans: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.


House arresting rapists. Because every criminal can respect laws pertaining to what they can and cannot do. I completely agree with you.
 
2020-10-26 9:17:42 AM  

lolmao500: Mandatory brain scan of everyone every 3 years starting at 15. We would stop the crazies ones before they do something stupid and we could treat them or put them out of society before they hurt somebody.

Do that and the real dangerous crimes will go down a lot.


Goo plan. Sounds like you'll be safe no matter what.
 
2020-10-26 9:18:41 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Healthcare is a right. Universal healthcare should be available to all Americans, including prisoners.


And they should be allowed to vote as well.
 
2020-10-26 9:18:53 AM  
Bad PR will not get Conservatives to do the right thing, they will move to get rid of all prison healthcare on the grounds that it can't be a right because millions of Americans outside prison don't have it.
It just isn't fair criminals get something and you don't.
 
2020-10-26 9:20:15 AM  
The problem I see here is that too many people care about people in prison.

That says two things to me. 1.) We're locking up people who don't deserve to be in prison; and 2.) Locking up people in prison for non-violent crimes is, in effect, lowering the value of punishment of the judicial system.

If someone ends up in prison, it should be for a crime bad enough where people don't really give af about them anymore.

/read this carefully before you reply. It doesn't say what you may think it does.
 
2020-10-26 9:20:57 AM  
You just gave Republicans an orgasm, subby.
 
2020-10-26 9:21:19 AM  

great_tigers: waxbeans: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.

House arresting rapists. Because every criminal can respect laws pertaining to what they can and cannot do. I completely agree with you.


Actually, if we let women kill would be rapist, it would not be an issue.
ALSO
Why isn't rape a capital crime?
ALSO
It's not people even believe the victim, it's all that no one ever believes the victim but yet everyone is scared of rapists that doesn't even make any sense


You humans out in the world are F++king odd
 
2020-10-26 9:23:06 AM  

tuxq: The problem I see here is that too many people care about people in prison.

That says two things to me. 1.) We're locking up people who don't deserve to be in prison; and 2.) Locking up people in prison for non-violent crimes is, in effect, lowering the value of punishment of the judicial system.

If someone ends up in prison, it should be for a crime bad enough where people don't really give af about them anymore.

/read this carefully before you reply. It doesn't say what you may think it does.


Or kill the worst people.
House arrest the rest.
And ticket most.
 
2020-10-26 9:24:21 AM  

lolmao500: Mandatory brain scan of everyone every 3 years starting at 15. We would stop the crazies ones before they do something stupid and we could treat them or put them out of society before they hurt somebody.

Do that and the real dangerous crimes will go down a lot.


But then who would run corporate America?
 
2020-10-26 9:25:08 AM  

waxbeans: Why isn't rape a capital crime?


Because the GOP really likes rape.
 
2020-10-26 9:25:15 AM  
As a former recipient of prison health care, I can confirm that any doctor who actually tried to help the inmates with their medical problems was fired. And that was a state joint. I was also at a CoreCivic (then CCA, rebranded to avoid bad publicity) and it was much worse.

If you will recall, the Obama administration reported that private prisons don't save money, are less safe, and have worse recidivism rates, and announced that all federal private prison contracts would not be renewed. Trump reversed that.
 
2020-10-26 9:26:04 AM  

Glitchwerks: waxbeans: Why isn't rape a capital crime?

Because the GOP really likes rape.


Because all you really need to do to a rapist is ticket them. It's not that bad of a crime.
 
2020-10-26 9:32:45 AM  

waxbeans: great_tigers: waxbeans: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.

House arresting rapists. Because every criminal can respect laws pertaining to what they can and cannot do. I completely agree with you.

Actually, if we let women kill would be rapist, it would not be an issue.
ALSO
Why isn't rape a capital crime?
ALSO
It's not people even believe the victim, it's all that no one ever believes the victim but yet everyone is scared of rapists that doesn't even make any sense


You humans out in the world are F++king odd


Rape was a Capital Crime for POC in the south for many, many years.
 
2020-10-26 9:34:32 AM  
The US justice system at this point is just thinly veiled slavery by the corporate class, I mean c'mon.
 
2020-10-26 9:34:49 AM  

Another Government Employee: waxbeans: great_tigers: waxbeans: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.

House arresting rapists. Because every criminal can respect laws pertaining to what they can and cannot do. I completely agree with you.

Actually, if we let women kill would be rapist, it would not be an issue.
ALSO
Why isn't rape a capital crime?
ALSO
It's not people even believe the victim, it's all that no one ever believes the victim but yet everyone is scared of rapists that doesn't even make any sense


You humans out in the world are F++king odd

Rape was a Capital Crime for POC in the south for many, many years.


You mean adultery 🙄
 
2020-10-26 9:34:57 AM  

Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.


We should stop allowing prisons to use slave labor too.
 
2020-10-26 9:37:11 AM  

great_tigers: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

Prisons need to exist because of the crime bills in America.


Prisons exist everywhere. They just actually help reform criminals and reduce recidivism in civilized countries.

The only way to have no prisons is to make all crimes punishable by death or a fine. There should probably be an option between a ticket and execution.
 
2020-10-26 9:37:53 AM  

Another Government Employee: waxbeans: great_tigers: waxbeans: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.

House arresting rapists. Because every criminal can respect laws pertaining to what they can and cannot do. I completely agree with you.

Actually, if we let women kill would be rapist, it would not be an issue.
ALSO
Why isn't rape a capital crime?
ALSO
It's not people even believe the victim, it's all that no one ever believes the victim but yet everyone is scared of rapists that doesn't even make any sense


You humans out in the world are F++king odd

Rape was a Capital Crime for POC in the south for many, many years.


You mean being accused of rape. Aka "looking at a white woman while black."

\that's good enough for Phark Pheminists, though.
 
2020-10-26 9:42:45 AM  

waxbeans: great_tigers: waxbeans: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.

House arresting rapists. Because every criminal can respect laws pertaining to what they can and cannot do. I completely agree with you.

Actually, if we let women kill would be rapist, it would not be an issue.
ALSO
Why isn't rape a capital crime?
ALSO
It's not people even believe the victim, it's all that no one ever believes the victim but yet everyone is scared of rapists that doesn't even make any sense


You humans out in the world are F++king odd


Theyre scared of rapists because they know noone will believe them if they get raped.
 
2020-10-26 9:43:40 AM  

waxbeans: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

No they don't. They to satisfy our desire to punish and ruin people's lives for being at fault.
We could ticket most.
House arrest the rest.
And kill the serial killers and killers.


But then we'll have to kill the killers of the killers, and it never ends.
 
2020-10-26 9:51:20 AM  
Deaths in government custody should be examined like morbidity conferences at hospitals - EVERY person who was IN ANY WAY responsible for the deceased's care has to answer for every action they took (or inaction, if they failed to SandraBland act), and it all goes on record.

A public record of a public hearing.

Hey, if you don't like the paperwork and attention, keep your damn charges alive. Like you're supposed to.

// and if you didn't want us up your ass with a flashlight, maybe you shouldn't have killed scores of people through negligence, malice, and mismanagement
 
2020-10-26 9:52:45 AM  
Outsourcing and privatization of the prisons needs to end.
 
2020-10-26 9:54:29 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: great_tigers: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

Prisons need to exist because of the crime bills in America.

Prisons exist everywhere. They just actually help reform criminals and reduce recidivism in civilized countries.

The only way to have no prisons is to make all crimes punishable by death or a fine. There should probably be an option between a ticket and execution.


In the US no attempts are made to reform prisoners.

It's not really a thing here.  It's a problem.
 
2020-10-26 9:54:31 AM  
Well, this sucks. Prison was my fall back for medical care. Now how am I supposed to justify taking decisive action to  ensure that I receive the care that I need  while also clearly demonstrating to the people in my community the need to treat essential workers as human beings for their own self-preservation? :-(

Well, other than vengeance, of course.

/I would probably not actually do that
 
2020-10-26 9:57:54 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: great_tigers: Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.

Prisons need to exist because of the crime bills in America.

Prisons exist everywhere. They just actually help reform criminals and reduce recidivism in civilized countries.

The only way to have no prisons is to make all crimes punishable by death or a fine. There should probably be an option between a ticket and execution.


Oh go for my point based system. Once you reach 1000 point, you get executed on the spot. Let's say murder gets you 500 points. Stealing a candy bar 1 point.
 
2020-10-26 10:02:11 AM  
Number of people who thought this was worth posting - 1
Number of bleeding hearts who thought it was a good idea to greenlight - 1

Number of brain functional adults globally, other than those 2, who give a rats butt what happens to a criminal?


Zero
 
2020-10-26 10:04:41 AM  

zgrizz: Number of people who thought this was worth posting - 1
Number of bleeding hearts who thought it was a good idea to greenlight - 1

Number of brain functional adults globally, other than those 2, who give a rats butt what happens to a criminal?


Zero


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2020-10-26 10:13:38 AM  

zgrizz: Number of brain functional adults globally, other than those 2, who give a rats butt what happens to a criminal?

Zero


That's kind of the problem, Chief.

Also, you forgot Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and several other groups who do things like protest mistreatment of "criminals" a prisoners in Saudi Arabia, Iran, the US, China, and ...basically everywhere else.

Also also, our own Founding Fathers cared enough about "criminals" that at least two (arguably five) of our first ten Amendments regarded treatment of criminals and accused criminals:

4 and 5 regard the rights of the accused (and yet-to-be accused)
6 and 7 regard the rights of defendants
8 protects the rights of convicted criminals - even murderers and traitors - to not be subjected to whatever cruelty the local sherriff can dream up (although apparently it only protects their rights AFTER conviction, per Justice Thomas)

// and 1 even protects the right of prisoners to petition the government - for clemency, pardon, etc
// so the Framers were VERY cognizant that "criminals" were not to be simply locked up, to be mistreated and forgotten and the sole property of the
// so you're wrong, you're not right, and your position is morally abhorrent
 
2020-10-26 10:15:04 AM  

zgrizz: Number of people who thought this was worth posting - 1
Number of bleeding hearts who thought it was a good idea to greenlight - 1

Number of brain functional adults globally, other than those 2, who give a rats butt what happens to a criminal?


Zero


Mathew 25:36.
 
2020-10-26 10:15:27 AM  

Dr Dreidel: zgrizz: Number of brain functional adults globally, other than those 2, who give a rats butt what happens to a criminal?

Zero

That's kind of the problem, Chief.

Also, you forgot Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and several other groups who do things like protest mistreatment of "criminals" a prisoners in Saudi Arabia, Iran, the US, China, and ...basically everywhere else.

Also also, our own Founding Fathers cared enough about "criminals" that at least two (arguably five) of our first ten Amendments regarded treatment of criminals and accused criminals:

4 and 5 regard the rights of the accused (and yet-to-be accused)
6 and 7 regard the rights of defendants
8 protects the rights of convicted criminals - even murderers and traitors - to not be subjected to whatever cruelty the local sherriff can dream up (although apparently it only protects their rights AFTER conviction, per Justice Thomas)

// and 1 even protects the right of prisoners to petition the government - for clemency, pardon, etc
// so the Framers were VERY cognizant that "criminals" were not to be simply locked up, to be mistreated and forgotten and the sole property of the
// so you're wrong, you're not right, and your position is morally abhorrent


You unfortunately wasted your time.

They're a standard republican.  Claims that we need to uphold the constitution word for word at all costs, but them ignores it when they feel like it.

A hypocrite.
 
2020-10-26 10:17:54 AM  

dkulprit: You unfortunately wasted your time.


Oh no, 70 seconds of my life I'll never get back!

// I'm on a work conference call, so my other option was "watch a demo of a product I've been using for 4 months"
 
2020-10-26 10:18:06 AM  
Note to self: Avoid going to jail.
 
2020-10-26 10:19:30 AM  
There was a case recently in Georgia where a Lifer was granted a large settlement because he was denied care leading to the amputation of his leg. There was more than one FB comment that decried the man surviving in the first place and many more saying the settlement should be confiscated at distributed to the "victims" (read police charities). Mind you, the Lifer in question fully deserved to be in prison. But the level of cruelty shown (and is continually shown) makes me depressed.
 
2020-10-26 10:28:50 AM  
It's remarkable just how fast my (site feature not to be named) is growing lately.
 
2020-10-26 10:33:51 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: I swear I gotta solve everything.  The get all the health care they want but they have to pay for it all before they get released. Death row inmates get nothing just going to postpone the inevitable. Lifers too.


With all the prosecutorial evil we've seen come to light recently do you really trust that everyone on death row is guilty?
 
2020-10-26 10:34:38 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Healthcare is a right. Universal healthcare should be available to all Americans, including prisoners.


I don't disagree that we should figure out healthcare, but I have no idea how people can say it is a right.  How can you have the right to someone else's labor?  I think of rights as something that we are free to do, not something we are guaranteed to have.  Individual rights are restrictions upon the government.
 
2020-10-26 10:35:55 AM  
At a local jail, they have to pay $5 to see the doctor, and they make 10 cents an hour for hard labor. If you're sick and can't work, you can't see the doctor until it's an emergency. Doesn't matter if you're a violent maniac or stole a pack of gum.
 
2020-10-26 10:36:50 AM  
Another shining example of the Glorious Corporate Utopia the United Staes has become.
 
2020-10-26 10:38:58 AM  

Nimbull: Outsourcing and privatization of the prisons needs to end.


FTFY

It's not just prisons where privatization leads to increased cost and worse service, privatized waste treatment plants being another glaring example of the failure of conservative ideology.
 
2020-10-26 10:47:03 AM  

Private_Citizen: great_tigers: We should just release every criminal. They can all go out and earn jobs/be productive members of society.

Some people probably could be released today and go get jobs (prison for an ounce of weed??), but others need to be locked away for the safety of the public (serial killers and murderers).

Prisons need to exist, but they shouldn't be run for profit, because that drives policies that lock people up for minor BS.


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2020-10-26 10:53:21 AM  

waxbeans: Why isn't rape a capital crime?


Turning non-murder crimes into crimes with the same punishment as murder is a good way to get witnesses/victims dead more often. Is the usual reason given for that kind of thing.
 
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