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(Phys Org2)   The globalized economy making is water, energy, and land insecurity globally worse. Subby is shocked. SHOCKED. Well, not that shocked   (phys.org) divider line
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2020-10-26 9:58:16 AM  
A growth economy requires infinite resources. We do not live in a world if infinite resources. We have to learn to have an economy that doesn't grow but does provide for our needs.

It isn't a wishlist item- it is what nature will demand of us as we destroy the system that gives us life.
 
2020-10-26 11:08:12 AM  
Well, I'm shocked. You mean that when you buy 6 cell phones in one year, each one of them uses an enormous amount of resources to make every single one of them? And when you order streaming services by the terrabyte, some server farm is heating up to 700 degrees to deliver them to you and all the other boring consumers, who have money but no time except to zone out? That when you eat out, you just used 75 times more energy than if you'd made the exact same meal at home? And when you fly to Grandma's, you just used more energy than she used in the first 50 years of her life?

And just remember--China uses an awful lot of their energy making stuff for US, or they're using the money that we gave them to become ---- yes, globalists.

I'm pointing a finger here and I bet you're perfectly innocent, even though English is your first language.
You lie.

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2020-10-26 11:30:41 AM  
"globalism" is just metastatic capitalism.
 
2020-10-26 11:55:43 AM  
More economic intercourse with other countries will solve this...
 
2020-10-26 12:06:25 PM  
Oh gee look what happens if you take a finite supply of critical resources, and keep adding more and more  competition demand for those finite resources.
Who'd a thunk it?
 
2020-10-26 12:11:28 PM  
Well I'll be damned, he's got the whole world in his hands.
 
2020-10-26 1:52:06 PM  
We have reached a point w/ efficiency and automation, that society can transition to a post scarcity economy. Yet the underlying drive, human greed has not been tempered. So w/o a way to temper humanity, humanity is doomed. And if such a change to human society came about, there would have to be a way to indoctrinate the next generation, w/ the ability to harness the malcontents. I'm not holding out much hope, and take solace that I can use the remaining decades to observe, and will be safely dead before having to suffer the consequences of our continued actions.

/ The earth will shrug and move on, when humanity is gone.
// There are always malcontents who try to bend the system, they can be very useful for bringing about change. They also have a tendency to burn everything down, break stuff completely, and generally wreck it all.
 
2020-10-26 2:27:25 PM  
Can't be shocked if they've turned the electricity off to prevent global-warming-caused fires.
 
2020-10-26 4:21:40 PM  
Shocked not shocked... yes let's become part of this, 'globalization' thing but when times get tight we need to have made sure that we'd stacked the deck so we have the water, food, power, etc. 

There's no such thing as having JUST enough of anything and giving the rest to those that need it. China is going to buy it all up and STILL have desalinization plants dotted up and down every mile of its coast.
 
2020-10-26 4:36:27 PM  

cryinoutloud: Well, I'm shocked. You mean that when you buy 6 cell phones in one year, each one of them uses an enormous amount of resources to make every single one of them? And when you order streaming services by the terrabyte, some server farm is heating up to 700 degrees to deliver them to you and all the other boring consumers, who have money but no time except to zone out? That when you eat out, you just used 75 times more energy than if you'd made the exact same meal at home? And when you fly to Grandma's, you just used more energy than she used in the first 50 years of her life?

And just remember--China uses an awful lot of their energy making stuff for US, or they're using the money that we gave them to become ---- yes, globalists.

I'm pointing a finger here and I bet you're perfectly innocent, even though English is your first language.
You lie.

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You are being disingenuous with this.

https://ourworldindata.org/energy-pro​d​uction-consumption

The TLDR of that link is the countries that produce energy the most consume the most energy, blowing the first hole in your argument. It's equivalent to yelling "LOOK AT ALL THIS WOODEN FURNITURE THIS WOODWORKER HAS!!!! WHAT A BASTARD!"

The second hole is the big energy consumers have been showing negative per capita energy consumption as they realize new technological efficiencies. It's the emerging economies driving the net increase of global energy usage, using older technologies, which means improvement is easily attainable, but also outside the ability of the average American to do a damned thing about beyond vote for people who can promote efficiencies to those other nations.

Lastly, your comment has jack-all to do with the study in TFA, which is just playing Captain Obvious and saying countries reliant on global trade, especially countries who are not self sufficient first, are vulnerable to disruptions in global trade. Insert you don't say.jpeg here.

Capitalism and consumerism is not the scary monster you are making them out to be. some level of consumerism is innate in being alive. The problem is powerful countries consuming an outsized portion and wasting much of it to the detriment of weaker nations.

Small "c" capitalism is the most efficient way human beings have developed to date to spread the wealth. It doesn't benefit everyone equally but it generally raises the bar. Unrestrained big "C" Capitalism used as a political driver and philosophy deemed greater than all others is sociopaths instituting an ravenous oligarchy by having it masquerade as capitalism.

Where we need personal action is in always looking to reduce waste, and increase our personal consumption efficiency, while also electing government officials who will counter the sociopaths.

But you can take your "fat dumb Amerikans are bad" and shove it. Most folks are just trying to get through the damned day. Show them a better way and most will take it.
 
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