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2020-10-26 9:04:38 AM  
Well if you don't vote, don't complain!
 
2020-10-26 9:26:28 AM  
Whenever I meet someone who says they're apolitical or that they don't care about politics, I feel like doing that thing a dog does when it hears a funny noise. You know...the head tilt with the "WTF" expression. I don't get that. How can you not care? You live here, don't you? I've voted in every single election I've been able to vote in since I turned 18 in 2000. That includes all local, state, and federal elections. My sister and I were not raised to be political. As I remember it, our parents never made a big deal about their political beliefs when we were growing up. They always had magazines and newspapers around though, and they watched the evening news every day. It was expected that we'd take an interest in the goings-on around us. They let us stay up to watch convention speeches and presidential debates, they even let us stay up on election night to see some of the first states come in.

Once I turned 18, I immediately registered to vote. It didn't occur to me not to. So, on one hand, it's heartening to see stories of all these new voters standing in line to vote this year, but on the other, I want to ask why it took them so long. It shouldn't take the possible end of our republic as we know it to motivate people to get off their asses.
 
2020-10-26 9:32:59 AM  
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2020-10-26 9:52:20 AM  
no one is sus enough. skip vote.
 
2020-10-26 10:34:42 AM  
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2020-10-26 11:03:24 AM  
The issues that get all the attention don't matter to them. They don't care about old people stuff like social security and medicare until they get there. They don't care about wars because hey, they don't draft people anymore. They don't care about Yemen or Cameroon or Myanmar. They don't care about the stock market because that's a rich guy thing. Most people only care that they have enough income to buy food and pay the rent, maybe get some cigs and beer.

Those of us who have done well and argue home mortgage rates or avocado toast vintages on Fark are not average. Most people are not processing the world the way we think.

So I get it. Politicians don't deal with issues most people care about. They will leverage issues to motivate voters but first they have to get their attention. The only reason people care about abortion is not because they care about fetuses but because some cleric keeps threatening them with hell if they vote for a Democrat. They care not so much whether their factory opens or closes as much as they care that there will be another job for them. And they don't care about immigrants until some politician says it's that immigrant who works at Quik-E-Mart that's the reason they lost that good union job at the factory.
 
2020-10-26 11:43:34 AM  
The only times I have waited in line for more than five hours for a politician was at Lying in States for major federal politicians (Party Leaders, Prime Ministers).

The lesson is clear:  Give the people what they want, and they will come.

The only way to get people to vote is to stop obstructing the voting process with chicanery, deceit, fraud, vote stealing, gerrymandering and Republican and Blue Dog Democrat candidates.
 
2020-10-26 12:18:44 PM  
"I'm not even really keen on Biden," Brown said. "It's more so that Trump is bringing racist rhetoric out of a lot of people." Those kinds of comments are "really hurtful to me, disrespectful to me," he said. So he's decided to vote again this year: "This way, if [Biden] does lose the election, I can't say that it was my fault because I didn't vote."

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2020-10-26 12:21:02 PM  
Is the answer "Not inspired by filthy centrists"?
 
2020-10-26 12:23:26 PM  
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2020-10-26 12:24:27 PM  
ctrl-F "poor"

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2020-10-26 12:25:44 PM  
"But the stakes of this election feel personal."

THE STAKES ARE ALWAYS PERSONAL.
 
2020-10-26 12:25:57 PM  
Take Christopher McDonald, 28. He voted for the first time in 2016, but the steps he had to take to vote felt intimidating, especially for someone who wasn't that interested in politics. "A lot of it was that I didn't know where to go or what to do -- I didn't even know where the voting centers were," he said. When he did end up voting, he was told that the precinct didn't have his address on file and, like Williams, had to fill out a provisional ballot. He still doesn't know if his vote actually got counted. "They said, 'Oh you have to call the commissioner's office or the courthouse or something,'" he said. "And when I left the voting place, it just went out of my head."

How much you want to bet Christopher McDonald is more than a little uncertain how to mail something.
 
2020-10-26 12:26:09 PM  
Because they're morons?

There's a lot more going on than just the presidential race.  I voted on ~30 different races and initiatives this year.

De Toqueville should be standard reading in civics classes.

/civics should actually be in the curriculum
//yeah I know, don't get me started
///three
 
2020-10-26 12:27:18 PM  

GoldSpider: Is the answer "Not inspired by filthy centrists"?


Narrator: "and yet, the only alternative was actual Nazis..."

/with Duke Sucks linky goodness
 
2020-10-26 12:27:23 PM  
1.  They're selfish stupid uninformed people who don't deserve the right.
 
2020-10-26 12:28:44 PM  
There are some people who are just ignorant or apathetic, but many of these people really aren't wrong when they say voting doesn't make a difference.  For millions of Americans, it literally doesn't, because of the Electoral College--their votes are completely erased. 

I think people just assume that people who don't vote are stupid and that's it, but a lot of them have just given up.  In my lifetime, Republicans have stolen several elections, despite what voters actually wanted, because of the way our infernal systems work.  That's going to make people tune out.  What's the point of standing in line for hours to vote when it's ultimately not going to affect anything? 

That's the big problem we need to fix.  If you want people to vote, you have to make their votes actually count.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-10-26 12:28:47 PM  
Look at the stats - over 35% of people that don't always vote say they had to wait in line over an hour, over 20% couldn't get the day off work to vote.

This is unbelievable - what a banana republic the USA is.
 
2020-10-26 12:30:29 PM  
Ah, young people. "Independents" who can't be bothered to turn out.

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2020-10-26 12:31:43 PM  
I love liars' explanations.
 
2020-10-26 12:32:13 PM  

edmo: Those of us who have done well and argue home mortgage rates or avocado toast vintages on Fark are not average. Most people are not processing the world the way we think.


I'm hit in the face with this reality whenever I'm speaking with a person IRL who comes across as intelligent and politically informed, but who then says something like "Who's Bill Barr?"
 
2020-10-26 12:33:52 PM  

Target Builder: "But the stakes of this election feel personal."

THE STAKES ARE ALWAYS PERSONAL.


But it isn't always existential. Given a second term, Trump could literally attempt to dismantle our democracy. Not trivial to do in one term, but he's already laid a lot of groundwork.
 
2020-10-26 12:36:36 PM  

kdawg7736: Well if you don't vote, don't complain!


Agreed, but if the Democratic Party wins a majority and the Presidency they should make election day a national holiday. In fact, to screw with some states that intentionally move elections to other dates, I'd try to word it to make ALL elections for federal seats (including special elections) a holiday. I don't know if that's really plausible in a legal sense, but then if someone is having a special election to fill some seat for Congress or the Senate, and they do it on June 9th or (insert_random_date) then that date becomes a temporary federal holiday for that election.

A lot of people still won't vote, but for most there won't be the work excuse.
 
2020-10-26 12:38:12 PM  
Honestly, it's understandable when some places make you wait in line for five hours or more on a Tuesday. If I lived in one of those states, I'd be an activist for mail-in voting.

When my state switched to 100% mail-in voting, it quickly became clear to me that the entire nation needs to go this way. I have a full two weeks to research the candidates and the issues in the comfort of my living room, I fill the ballot out at my leisure, then (this year) drop it off in the secure ballot box at the nearest library. I've already got confirmation that my ballot was received, signature validated, and vote counted. Also, the system leaves an official paper trail, unlike with the in-person touchscreen systems. It's awesome.
 
2020-10-26 12:38:23 PM  
So I did some phonebanking this election, and you run into all kinds of people who say they aren't going to vote.

There were a few examples that were fun:  One was the migrant lady who yelled at me "POLITICIANS ARE ALL SCAM!" and then hung up.

There was the 50-something lady who wasn't going to vote because her dad died, and he always told her how to vote.

But my favorite was the guy, a registered voter, who registered purely to burn his mail-in ballot every year.  He justified this to me, saying "When was the last time a President ever really affected your personal life?".

I said, "Well, I am working out of my basement, haven't been to a restaurant or bar for months, and only see my friends and family through zoom chats.  So, I'd say, *this* one has had a pretty big affect on my life."
 
2020-10-26 12:38:30 PM  
<i>For me, not voting sends a bigger message.</i>

It does. It sends the message that you can be ignored and that no one needs to give a shiat what you think.
 
kab
2020-10-26 12:38:48 PM  
Because they (arguably correctly) assume their vote isn't going to count due to the EC?
 
2020-10-26 12:41:09 PM  

snowjack: Honestly, it's understandable when some places make you wait in line for five hours or more on a Tuesday. If I lived in one of those states, I'd be an activist for mail-in voting.

When my state switched to 100% mail-in voting, it quickly became clear to me that the entire nation needs to go this way. I have a full two weeks to research the candidates and the issues in the comfort of my living room, I fill the ballot out at my leisure, then (this year) drop it off in the secure ballot box at the nearest library. I've already got confirmation that my ballot was received, signature validated, and vote counted. Also, the system leaves an official paper trail, unlike with the in-person touchscreen systems. It's awesome.


(replying to my own post)
Hmm, I wonder why the Republicans are suddenly making such a big deal about how mail-in voting is awful... /s
 
2020-10-26 12:42:35 PM  

kab: Because they (arguably correctly) assume their vote isn't going to count due to the EC?


There are always multiple contests on the ballot not affected by the Electoral College.
 
2020-10-26 12:42:56 PM  
Because they're idiots.
 
2020-10-26 12:45:06 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: edmo: Those of us who have done well and argue home mortgage rates or avocado toast vintages on Fark are not average. Most people are not processing the world the way we think.

I'm hit in the face with this reality whenever I'm speaking with a person IRL who comes across as intelligent and politically informed, but who then says something like "Who's Bill Barr?"


I'll top that.

Driving with my boss, he sends an hour talking up trump and saying all kinds of stupid shiat.

Then at some point in our conversation I say "Mitch McConnel something something" as the topic shifted to the "do nothing congress" and he says, "who's that".

If you want to be an ignorant person who pays that little attention, that's bad. But to pay that little attention but have strong views like he did..  I wanted to drive off a bridge and jump out at the last minute.
 
2020-10-26 12:47:33 PM  

whidbey: 1.  They're selfish stupid uninformed people who don't deserve the right.


"Uninformed" doesn't just apply to non-voters. I'd rather people who don't know what the fark they're voting for not vote. Unfortunately you get a lot of "local person votes for his or her interpretation of what they believe the Constitution to be" which actually leads to worse governance overall.
 
2020-10-26 12:49:05 PM  

whidbey: 1.  They're selfish stupid uninformed people who don't deserve the right.


See, the thing about rights are they exist for everyone.  When people talk about who deserves it or not, you're talking about taking away people's rights.
 
2020-10-26 12:49:35 PM  
Is suppression on the list? Because suppression is a reason.

I didn't get to vote in both the 2016 and 2018 elections. The first one because I had an out of state ID and just couldn't get a new one in time. The second because I literally moved to a new state a week before the election and so wasn't registered.

/I was able to vote this month in VA without an instate driver's license, but could have used a utility bill or social security card to prove it was me. Fortunately I have a government ID. In TN back in 2016, I don't believe the ID law was so flexible, but I don't remember.
 
2020-10-26 12:50:28 PM  
Well they better wise up quick, cause once this supreme court starts to ramp up they may not have to worry about voting ever again.
 
2020-10-26 12:50:28 PM  

Smackledorfer: Barricaded Gunman: edmo: Those of us who have done well and argue home mortgage rates or avocado toast vintages on Fark are not average. Most people are not processing the world the way we think.

I'm hit in the face with this reality whenever I'm speaking with a person IRL who comes across as intelligent and politically informed, but who then says something like "Who's Bill Barr?"

I'll top that.

Driving with my boss, he sends an hour talking up trump and saying all kinds of stupid shiat.

Then at some point in our conversation I say "Mitch McConnel something something" as the topic shifted to the "do nothing congress" and he says, "who's that".

If you want to be an ignorant person who pays that little attention, that's bad. But to pay that little attention but have strong views like he did..  I wanted to drive off a bridge and jump out at the last minute.


Jesus Christ.

I'm Canadian and utterly appalled by how much I now know about your key players in the Senate, Congress and the Cabinet.
 
2020-10-26 12:50:53 PM  
The woman near the end makes a good point:  The Democratic electorate is moving leftward- a lot of progressive policy has majority support across both parties- but the candidates being nominated are not reflecting that, and a vote for Biden feels to her like it will allow the party leadership to feel justified in continuing to run to the right.  It really puts a lot of us between a rock and a hard place, because it's so painfully obvious how badly we need these policies if we want to keep having a country worth living in.

I can't personally square that with not voting in this particular election, because Trump really is an exceptionally awful case, and even if I could, I would cast an abstention vote rather than not vote at all, because I think it would get the message across more clearly.  But I do understand where she's coming from.

Ultimately, the entire game is about the preservation of entrenched power structures, and both "sides" are complicit in it.  I'm still willing to play the game, but I can't really fault people too badly who refuse to be used as pawns.

It's WAY more important for people to vote in local and state elections than in the general, but even fewer do.
 
2020-10-26 12:51:12 PM  
Our system doesn't make it particularly easy to vote, and the decision to carve out a few hours to cast a ballot requires a sense of motivation that's hard for some Americans to muster every two or four years

I know that is the case for a lot of voters, and that's a God damned national disaster.  I checked my records... I've voted roughly 40 times in the last 25 years, 30+ of them in person.  If you added up all thirty of them, I don't think it would add up to more than about 3 hours.  Maybe another 2 hours caucusing back in '08 for Barack on a lark. Which, yay, I live in a well-governed part of the country, but also that's how uneven our nation is.
 
2020-10-26 12:51:33 PM  

ElwoodCuse: ctrl-F "poor"

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didn't read it


You should. It's pretty good.  Especially the interviews.
 
2020-10-26 12:52:09 PM  
Look i bother to vote, but do find it a waste of my personal time and effort.

IF all the choice i get are outside of my own ideological POV, and all choices are just picking which version of immoral evil, is not as bad as the other...
y my POV willingly choosing, willingly advocating for evil, even a lesser one, means you are in fact evil.

When all choices offered to you are immoral ones how is it moral to vote for any of it?

Obviously the trump was an unqualified for the job from the get go, so that he can get past the EC is a signal of their lack of virtue or their lack of qualified intellectual capacity to know better.Either way a failed system is a broken failed machine.There are days when i find it is evil to try and keep it running and more moral to help us get this train over the cliff edge faster already.It is that situation right there that i would even be given the choice between a  trump and anything else even remotely qualified, that shows me how off the rials and useless the cultural and moral system is that would allow and even advocate to have that go on at all  in the first place.I've been told all my life that"anyone" can be president.well we appear to have decided to put that to the test, how's that look to yall now?Still seem like a good idea to insist that literally any rando yahoo who is at least X years old and randomly got born on a designated set of land, is perfectly well qualified to wield the power of that office?I vote, but it kinda sucks to look ta  ballot and notice the choices offered are just between stupid, selfish, stats quo milk toast, and openly overtly evil. The only reason to vote is just so i can say i did and then tell everyone else it was a pile of immoral selfish bullshiat choices in the first place you sorry sacks of shiat.
 
2020-10-26 12:52:42 PM  

austerity101: There are some people who are just ignorant or apathetic, but many of these people really aren't wrong when they say voting doesn't make a difference.  For millions of Americans, it literally doesn't, because of the Electoral College--their votes are completely erased. 

I think people just assume that people who don't vote are stupid and that's it, but a lot of them have just given up.  In my lifetime, Republicans have stolen several elections, despite what voters actually wanted, because of the way our infernal systems work.  That's going to make people tune out.  What's the point of standing in line for hours to vote when it's ultimately not going to affect anything? 

That's the big problem we need to fix.  If you want people to vote, you have to make their votes actually count.


If you're not voting purely for local elections, you ARE stupid. They're not big and flashy but they have the biggest impact on your day to day life, this "president" excepted.
 
2020-10-26 12:53:31 PM  

Myk-House of El: whidbey: 1.  They're selfish stupid uninformed people who don't deserve the right.

See, the thing about rights are they exist for everyone.  When people talk about who deserves it or not, you're talking about taking away people's rights.


In my experience, people who use the word "deserve" about other people need to be cockpunched about 95% of the time.
 
2020-10-26 12:57:49 PM  

Smackledorfer: Barricaded Gunman: edmo: Those of us who have done well and argue home mortgage rates or avocado toast vintages on Fark are not average. Most people are not processing the world the way we think.

I'm hit in the face with this reality whenever I'm speaking with a person IRL who comes across as intelligent and politically informed, but who then says something like "Who's Bill Barr?"

I'll top that.

Driving with my boss, he sends an hour talking up trump and saying all kinds of stupid shiat.

Then at some point in our conversation I say "Mitch McConnel something something" as the topic shifted to the "do nothing congress" and he says, "who's that".



That's what blows my mind... so much passion and fury and spittle-flecked invective, and then it turns out they're basically the 9 year who doesn't understand football but picked their favorite team based on who has the coolest helmets.
 
2020-10-26 12:59:02 PM  

Tarl3k: Because they're idiots.


So are the rubes who vote because they buy the nonsense that most candidates are selling.

For example, if you think of yourself as a progressive, and are happily voting for Biden/Harris (or supported say, Pete Buttgieg in the primary) because you think they are progressive candidates, you're just as much an idiot as any of the people in this article.

/voted for Biden/Harris
//but not happily
 
2020-10-26 12:59:40 PM  
2016 broke me. I haven't voted since. And I had voted every year since I was legally able to up to that point.

And I started out the year not planing to vote this year. Then, somewhere between April and June, when things were at their derpiest to that point (and they've since gotten worse), I did decide to vote at least one more time.

So, disillusionment with the entire process = not voting. But goddamned if an orange Trumpy Dumpy murdering hundreds of thousands through criminal incompetence wasn't enough to break through that.

/but if he goes back in? Fark it. I'm out for good. Because the system will be so obviously broken at that point that there will be no good reason to bother again.
 
2020-10-26 1:00:24 PM  

Xai: Look at the stats - over 35% of people that don't always vote say they had to wait in line over an hour, over 20% couldn't get the day off work to vote.

This is unbelievable - what a banana republic the USA is.


We just had a Provincial Election on Saturday. Took 10 mins. Probably would have been under 5 if I had my registration card. ID and proof of residence? Good enough. No "poll watchers", no anything. Show up and have ID? Good to go. There is literally no...none...zero attempts at disenfranchisement. No talk on the news, no issues....Want to mail in? Fine. Vote early? Got ya covered. In person? No problem.  You just vote. There really is no problem doing it. No intimidation, no barriers, no.....anything really.I went early morning, so not many people, may have been different in the afternoon, but it was so streamlined, I can't see it taking anyone longer than 20 mins even at a peak time.
 
2020-10-26 1:00:38 PM  
One factor that I think would be interesting to look at is how address changes affect voting.  Whether you move frequently or maybe live temporarily in a different place from where you vote, I would think that could be a major factor.  It was for me when I was a college student.  I guess it's part of both youth and/or poverty as factors.

CSB.  Things have improved a lot since we wore onions on our belts.  I'm pretty sure I missed my first national election because I wasn't in the same state as my permanent residence, I wasn't sure who to call for absentee ballot, and I didn't have the money to pay for the 411 number look up OR the long distance fee to call that number anyway.  By the time I figured it out, it was too late to get one.  The internet, email and "free" long distance are pretty powerful tools when it comes to voting information - even if your access is through a public library.
 
2020-10-26 1:01:40 PM  

usernameguy: <i>For me, not voting sends a bigger message.</i>

It does. It sends the message that you can be ignored and that no one needs to give a shiat what you think.


I guarantee Hillary Clinton gives a shiat that she lost that woman's vote in 2016.
 
2020-10-26 1:06:44 PM  
To add....I've always considered my one vote to be pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. My Dad always said. It may not matter that much, but if you don't vote you don't have a say in the outcome. Any opinions you have are null and void. Vote so you have a voice. Whether I agree with you or not, if you don't vote. You don't even belong in the discussion.
 
2020-10-26 1:07:45 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: edmo: Those of us who have done well and argue home mortgage rates or avocado toast vintages on Fark are not average. Most people are not processing the world the way we think.

I'm hit in the face with this reality whenever I'm speaking with a person IRL who comes across as intelligent and politically informed, but who then says something like "Who's Bill Barr?"


I was hit in the face with it last night in a Fark thread when a Comfortable White Fark Moderate told me that the rates of poverty, medical bankruptcy, unemployment, rampant racism, the feudal distribution of wealth, and the student loan crisis aren't big enough problems to merit enacting some progressive policy, and that I should "get out of my bubble once in a while" and "see how well the rest of the country is doing".
 
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