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2020-10-26 1:28:14 PM  
Because it's the smoking part not the substance part.

Smoking boiled and shredded turnips would cause the same outcome.
 
2020-10-26 2:17:39 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Because it's the smoking part not the substance part.

Smoking boiled and shredded turnips would cause the same outcome.


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2020-10-26 2:26:46 PM  
Edibles.
 
2020-10-26 2:45:23 PM  
ITFA they say edibles are bad as well.
 
2020-10-26 2:47:13 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Because it's the smoking part not the substance part.

Smoking boiled and shredded turnips would cause the same outcome.


Yeah not even close. Smoking ye wonderful hippie herb has an ingredient list of one: ye wonderful hippie herb

Smoking a suicide stick has an ingredient list of
Acetone-found in nail polish remover
Acetic acid-an ingredient in hair dye
Ammonia-a common household cleaner
Arsenic-used in rat poison
Benzene-found in rubber cement and gasoline
Butane-used in lighter fluid
Cadmium-active component in battery acid
Carbon monoxide-released in car exhaust fumes
Formaldehyde-embalming fluid
Hexamine-found in barbecue lighter fluid
Lead-used in batteries
Naphthalene-an ingredient in mothballs
Methanol-a main component in rocket fuel
Nicotine-used as an insecticide
Tar-material for paving roads
Toluene-used to manufacture paint
 
2020-10-26 2:53:14 PM  
People are dropping dead from this everywhere.  Have been for decades.  That's where we got the phrase, "Hippy with a bad heart", because of all of the hippies that got bad hearts from cannabis, and all of the people that are having heart attacks everywhere now, because this is important.
 
2020-10-26 3:00:34 PM  
From the linked report:

Conclusion:

Evidence examining the effect of marijuana on cardiovascular risk factors and outcomes, including stroke and myocardial infarction, is insufficient.
 
2020-10-26 3:03:50 PM  
I'm a heavy cannabis smoker for 27 years, ever since I moved to Maui, that is. I just got my heart tested, EEG and ECG and ultrasound imagery. The COPD I got from the pot smoking has caused my right ventricle to enlarge. The medico I talked with did not say if it all is reversible if I quit and got to edibles only. So I tried making the shift to eating the damn stuff as butter. Did not relieve my pain or arm/hand tingling a bit. No change in state of consciousness whatsoever, except getting pissed off at wasting all that good weed on this experiment. What to do?
 
2020-10-26 3:14:08 PM  
I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.
 
2020-10-26 3:17:12 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Because it's the smoking part not the substance part.

Smoking boiled and shredded turnips would cause the same outcome.


except it's also the substance part
 
2020-10-26 3:20:05 PM  

Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.


Then who signed off on my med card?
 
2020-10-26 3:24:58 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?


A physician, I'd hope.
 
2020-10-26 3:26:35 PM  

MellowMauiMan: I'm a heavy cannabis smoker for 27 years, ever since I moved to Maui, that is. I just got my heart tested, EEG and ECG and ultrasound imagery. The COPD I got from the pot smoking has caused my right ventricle to enlarge. The medico I talked with did not say if it all is reversible if I quit and got to edibles only. So I tried making the shift to eating the damn stuff as butter. Did not relieve my pain or arm/hand tingling a bit. No change in state of consciousness whatsoever, except getting pissed off at wasting all that good weed on this experiment. What to do?


Get a rosin press if your going to try to make edibles on a regular basis. Takes a little practice and experimentation to get the best result but once you get the hang of it you will quit smoking. I love licking the little spoon when I'm done scratching.
 
2020-10-26 3:34:17 PM  

Heamer: Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?

A physician, I'd hope.


Mayhaps one with a certain recommendation
 
2020-10-26 3:35:33 PM  
According to this

https://wayofleaf.com/cannabis/ailmen​t​s/172-conditions-that-medical-marijuan​a-can-help-cure

weed can remedy 172 different diseases.

I admit that I have been skeptical about claims like that in the past, but articles like TFA are making a believer out of me.

Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?


A quack?
 
2020-10-26 3:45:38 PM  

lindalouwho: Edibles.


"It's not working. I'm taking some more."
[Smash-cut]
"I'M GONNA DIE!!"
 
2020-10-26 3:48:07 PM  

Heamer: Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?

A physician, I'd hope.


"Hey, everybody!"
 
2020-10-26 3:49:00 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?



In my case it was a (male) Gynecologist.
 
2020-10-26 3:54:45 PM  

born_yesterday: People are dropping dead from this everywhere.  Have been for decades.  That's where we got the phrase, "Hippy with a bad heart", because of all of the hippies that got bad hearts from cannabis, and all of the people that are having heart attacks everywhere now, because this is important.


I know. Also, it's interesting that if you google "Hippy with a bad heart " in quotes you find zero references on the entire Internet, which proves that the Satanic Communist Messican MariJEWana Reptilians have made it their mission to scrub the Internet of all references to it. because, of course, they want you to toke up and die of a heart attack, all in the service if Satan.
 
2020-10-26 4:19:54 PM  

Harlee: , it's interesting that if you google "Hippy with a bad heart " in quotes you find zero references on the entire Internet,


Try marijuana cardiovascular disease without quotes.  Plenty of results.  Including this one:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC6461323/
 
2020-10-26 4:26:38 PM  
Toking too hard? I'll put away my 4-footer and get the little pipe. Better???
 
2020-10-26 5:20:13 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?

A physician, I'd hope.

Mayhaps one with a certain recommendation


Yes, that you consume cannabis. Again, no physician will ever recommend inhaling smoke. I don't get what you're driving at.
 
2020-10-26 6:06:07 PM  
"Vaping delivers the chemicals in marijuana smoke more effectively, resulting in increased doses to the heart and potentially adverse effects that are more pronounced,"

This is bullshiat for a number of reasons. #1 Cannabis smoke is not like the 100s of chemicals added to cigs, #2 vaping is not smoking, #3 you only get cannabinoids and flavonoids from vaping and not most of what is in a joint.
 
2020-10-26 6:08:49 PM  

MellowMauiMan: I'm a heavy cannabis smoker for 27 years, ever since I moved to Maui, that is. I just got my heart tested, EEG and ECG and ultrasound imagery. The COPD I got from the pot smoking has caused my right ventricle to enlarge. The medico I talked with did not say if it all is reversible if I quit and got to edibles only. So I tried making the shift to eating the damn stuff as butter. Did not relieve my pain or arm/hand tingling a bit. No change in state of consciousness whatsoever, except getting pissed off at wasting all that good weed on this experiment. What to do?


i also have an unfortunate tolerance for edibles. luckily i grow and have the means to cheaply make a tincture that will give me a good baseline with only 4-5 dropperfuls. have you tried a dry herb vape? it's a lot easier on the lungs than smoking.
 
2020-10-26 6:14:14 PM  

Heamer: Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?

A physician, I'd hope.

Mayhaps one with a certain recommendation

Yes, that you consume cannabis. Again, no physician will ever recommend inhaling smoke. I don't get what you're driving at.


i got my med card through what i would consider a quack, but hey--whatever it takes.

my primary care physician is all for using weed but won't touch a recommendation form with a 10 foot pole because of the federal issue and he is associated with the university. he always, ALWAYS has to tell me "as your physician i have to advise you against smoking ANYTHING, but use all the edibles you want."
 
2020-10-26 6:31:03 PM  
I've had good luck making edibles using RSOs ("Rick Simpson Oil").  Usually contains mostly activated THC, the amount of THC can be calculated in milligrams, and it mixes readily into melted butter/batter.  I'll never mess with trying to prep flower for use in edibles.
 
2020-10-26 6:47:18 PM  
The man spoke approvingly of smoking

Heamer: Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: Wasilla Hillbilly: Heamer: I mean, no physician is ever going to recommend that you inhale the primary by-product of open combustion.

Then who signed off on my med card?

A physician, I'd hope.

Mayhaps one with a certain recommendation

Yes, that you consume cannabis. Again, no physician will ever recommend inhaling smoke. I don't get what you're driving at.


Im driving at the fact that he did specifically approve of smoking. So...
 
2020-10-26 6:49:46 PM  

cloudofdust: From the linked report:

Conclusion:

Evidence examining the effect of marijuana on cardiovascular risk factors and outcomes, including stroke and myocardial infarction, is insufficient.


That; plus this, in light of the ongoing obesification of America...

He suggested that the recent decline in cardiovascular health and life expectancy may be related in part to the increased use of marijuana by young adults.

...plus this, despite the fact that where people once smoked joints they now smoke hits...

marijuana is becoming increasingly potent

...equals cannabevets bait.
 
2020-10-26 10:49:38 PM  
Weed is so strong only a few hits are needed, like half of one cigarette. How does this compare to 20 cigs a day?
Not even close.
 
2020-10-26 10:55:29 PM  

MellowMauiMan: I'm a heavy cannabis smoker for 27 years, ever since I moved to Maui, that is. I just got my heart tested, EEG and ECG and ultrasound imagery. The COPD I got from the pot smoking has caused my right ventricle to enlarge. The medico I talked with did not say if it all is reversible if I quit and got to edibles only. So I tried making the shift to eating the damn stuff as butter. Did not relieve my pain or arm/hand tingling a bit. No change in state of consciousness whatsoever, except getting pissed off at wasting all that good weed on this experiment. What to do?


sounds like you didn't extract enough  of the THC into the butter.  You should just buy it. Or look up some tutorials on infusing butter.
 
2020-10-27 5:22:02 AM  
Marijuana is a leafy green, and combustion of any plant is probably toxic to human health if the resulting products are inhaled," she explained. "Unfortunately, the research base is inadequate because marijuana hasn't been studied in randomized clinical trials."
A major problem in attempts to clarify the risks of marijuana is its classification by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule I drug, making it illegal to study it rigorously in controlled clinical trials.



This is the most important information in tfa, and it will be deliberately glossed over by cannabevets.
 
2020-10-27 5:30:31 AM  

Darke: MellowMauiMan: I'm a heavy cannabis smoker for 27 years, ever since I moved to Maui, that is. I just got my heart tested, EEG and ECG and ultrasound imagery. The COPD I got from the pot smoking has caused my right ventricle to enlarge. The medico I talked with did not say if it all is reversible if I quit and got to edibles only. So I tried making the shift to eating the damn stuff as butter. Did not relieve my pain or arm/hand tingling a bit. No change in state of consciousness whatsoever, except getting pissed off at wasting all that good weed on this experiment. What to do?

sounds like you didn't extract enough  of the THC into the butter.  You should just buy it. Or look up some tutorials on infusing butter.


Putting the cannabis/butter mix into a pyrex dish, and into the oven at 100C for one hour, then allow to cool in the oven without opening up.  That's my method, and it's pretty reliable.
 
2020-10-27 6:05:10 AM  

uttertosh: Marijuana is a leafy green, and combustion of any plant is probably toxic to human health if the resulting products are inhaled," she explained. "Unfortunately, the research base is inadequate because marijuana hasn't been studied in randomized clinical trials."
A major problem in attempts to clarify the risks of marijuana is its classification by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule I drug, making it illegal to study it rigorously in controlled clinical trials.


This is the most important information in tfa, and it will be deliberately glossed over by cannabevets.


If the reference is to me, my answer to that is that if people got sick from smoking boiled and shredded turnips, that would be a public health problem too.  But they don't, because people generally don't smoke boiled and shredded turnips, notwithstanding what one of our friends here suggests.
 
2020-10-27 6:22:45 AM  

tirob: uttertosh: Marijuana is a leafy green, and combustion of any plant is probably toxic to human health if the resulting products are inhaled," she explained. "Unfortunately, the research base is inadequate because marijuana hasn't been studied in randomized clinical trials."
A major problem in attempts to clarify the risks of marijuana is its classification by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule I drug, making it illegal to study it rigorously in controlled clinical trials.


This is the most important information in tfa, and it will be deliberately glossed over by cannabevets.

*deliberately glosses over what was posted in favour of talking turnips*


And in record time, too!

The saddest part of your shtick is that you know fine well that the biggest cry for realworld human testing being legally allowed is from the cannabis industry itself.

Finding out how varying cannabinoids interact with our systems in varying ratios, is of the utmost importance for the reduction of harm to the user.

But, please don't let that stop you ignoring the problems, or your predilection for personal insulation. You do have your reputation to uphold, after all!
 
2020-10-27 6:47:29 AM  

uttertosh: you know fine well that the biggest cry for realworld human testing being legally allowed is from the cannabis industry itself.


I don't know that, but it sounds right, and I'll accept it for the sake of argument.  Weed's Schedule I status in the US doesn't prevent clinical trials on the stuff from being conducted in places like Canada and Uruguay, where the stuff is legal to market, or the Netherlands, where marketing of it is tolerated by the authorities.

While we're waiting for results from those places, we here in the US are going to have to make do with studies that look at what happens to self-reported users, such as the one reproduced in TFA.  I don't think we're depriving ourselves badly.
 
2020-10-27 12:00:22 PM  

tirob: uttertosh: Marijuana is a leafy green, and combustion of any plant is probably toxic to human health if the resulting products are inhaled," she explained. "Unfortunately, the research base is inadequate because marijuana hasn't been studied in randomized clinical trials."
A major problem in attempts to clarify the risks of marijuana is its classification by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule I drug, making it illegal to study it rigorously in controlled clinical trials.


This is the most important information in tfa, and it will be deliberately glossed over by cannabevets.

If the reference is to me, my answer to that is that if people got sick from smoking boiled and shredded turnips, that would be a public health problem too.  But they don't, because people generally don't smoke boiled and shredded turnips, notwithstanding what one of our friends here suggests.


I am totally ready to add a turnip habit to my other bad habits, let's do this.
 
2020-10-27 12:54:10 PM  

Hate Tank: tirob: uttertosh: Marijuana is a leafy green, and combustion of any plant is probably toxic to human health if the resulting products are inhaled," she explained. "Unfortunately, the research base is inadequate because marijuana hasn't been studied in randomized clinical trials."
A major problem in attempts to clarify the risks of marijuana is its classification by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule I drug, making it illegal to study it rigorously in controlled clinical trials.


This is the most important information in tfa, and it will be deliberately glossed over by cannabevets.

If the reference is to me, my answer to that is that if people got sick from smoking boiled and shredded turnips, that would be a public health problem too.  But they don't, because people generally don't smoke boiled and shredded turnips, notwithstanding what one of our friends here suggests.

I am totally ready to add a turnip habit to my other bad habits, let's do this.


You're more than 50 years too late.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananad​i​ne

Sorry.
 
2020-10-27 1:59:23 PM  
tirob: If the reference is to me, my answer to that is that if people got sick from smoking boiled and shredded turnips, that would be a public health problem too.  But they don't, because people generally don't smoke boiled and shredded turnips, notwithstanding what one of our friends here suggests.

Bullsh*t. As an example, you're as dismissive of the long-term effects of alcohol (i.e., drinking processed plant material instead of smoking, vaping, or eating it) as Trump is of COVID.
 
2020-10-27 3:25:51 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: If the reference is to me, my answer to that is that if people got sick from smoking boiled and shredded turnips, that would be a public health problem too.  But they don't, because people generally don't smoke boiled and shredded turnips, notwithstanding what one of our friends here suggests.

Bullsh*t. As an example, you're as dismissive of the long-term effects of alcohol (i.e., drinking processed plant material instead of smoking, vaping, or eating it) as Trump is of COVID.


Untrue.  I have noted many times on these threads--I'll do so again--that I have alcoholics in my family, and that this being the case, I know firsthand how dangerous booze can be if it's abused.

None of that makes weed use safe or healthful, however.  Neither is it an excuse, nor is it a reason, to legalize the trade in weed on top of the trade in booze.
 
2020-10-27 3:45:33 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: If the reference is to me, my answer to that is that if people got sick from smoking boiled and shredded turnips, that would be a public health problem too.  But they don't, because people generally don't smoke boiled and shredded turnips, notwithstanding what one of our friends here suggests.

Bullsh*t. As an example, you're as dismissive of the long-term effects of alcohol (i.e., drinking processed plant material instead of smoking, vaping, or eating it) as Trump is of COVID.

Untrue.  I have noted many times on these threads--I'll do so again--that I have alcoholics in my family, and that this being the case, I know firsthand how dangerous booze can be if it's abused.

None of that makes weed use safe or healthful, however.  Neither is it an excuse, nor is it a reason, to legalize the trade in weed on top of the trade in booze.


There you go again. Giving lip service to the far greater risks of alcohol, and doing even that only when challenged, hardly compares to your ongoing and ill-informed crusade against cannabis.
 
2020-10-27 5:45:26 PM  
common sense is an oxymoron:

There you go again. Giving lip service to the far greater risks of alcohol, and doing even that only when challenged, hardly compares to your ongoing and ill-informed crusade against cannabis.

No, there *you* go again with that tiresome "but alcohol!" shtik of yours.

1.  This is a weed thread.  The subject of my posts on such threads is going to be weed in most cases.

2.  I know more about weed than you think I do.

3.  Drinking has its risks and using weed has its risks, and doing both has risks.  Your assertion that drinking is riskier is of course unaccompanied by a shred of data that would back you up.  I myself have never claimed to know which is riskier, and it's a moot point anyway because a) doing one isn't a substitute for doing the other, and b) alcohol and weed are two completely different substances, and comparing them and their conventions of use is like comparing apples and tennis balls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/marij​u​ana-hasnt-hurt-booze-sales-in-3-states​-where-weed-has-been-legal-the-longest​-study.html
 
2020-10-27 6:13:51 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron:

There you go again. Giving lip service to the far greater risks of alcohol, and doing even that only when challenged, hardly compares to your ongoing and ill-informed crusade against cannabis.

No, there *you* go again with that tiresome "but alcohol!" shtik of yours.

1.  This is a weed thread.  The subject of my posts on such threads is going to be weed in most cases.

2.  I know more about weed than you think I do.

3.  Drinking has its risks and using weed has its risks, and doing both has risks.  Your assertion that drinking is riskier is of course unaccompanied by a shred of data that would back you up.  I myself have never claimed to know which is riskier, and it's a moot point anyway because a) doing one isn't a substitute for doing the other, and b) alcohol and weed are two completely different substances, and comparing them and their conventions of use is like comparing apples and tennis balls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/mariju​ana-hasnt-hurt-booze-sales-in-3-states​-where-weed-has-been-legal-the-longest​-study.html


1. You're the one who brought up both the risks of consuming plant material and, subsequently, alcoholism, both in a specific comparison to the risks of cannabis use. If you don't want a rebuttal, don't make the comment in the first place.

2.  Urban legends and decades-old racist hysteria are kinds of knowledge, I'll grant you that.

3.  Not sure where to begin with this.  It's denial all the way down.
 
2020-10-27 6:41:04 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron:

There you go again. Giving lip service to the far greater risks of alcohol, and doing even that only when challenged, hardly compares to your ongoing and ill-informed crusade against cannabis.

No, there *you* go again with that tiresome "but alcohol!" shtik of yours.

1.  This is a weed thread.  The subject of my posts on such threads is going to be weed in most cases.

2.  I know more about weed than you think I do.

3.  Drinking has its risks and using weed has its risks, and doing both has risks.  Your assertion that drinking is riskier is of course unaccompanied by a shred of data that would back you up.  I myself have never claimed to know which is riskier, and it's a moot point anyway because a) doing one isn't a substitute for doing the other, and b) alcohol and weed are two completely different substances, and comparing them and their conventions of use is like comparing apples and tennis balls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/mariju​ana-hasnt-hurt-booze-sales-in-3-states​-where-weed-has-been-legal-the-longest​-study.html

1. You're the one who brought up both the risks of consuming plant material and, subsequently, alcoholism, both in a specific comparison to the risks of cannabis use. If you don't want a rebuttal, don't make the comment in the first place.

2.  Urban legends and decades-old racist hysteria are kinds of knowledge, I'll grant you that.

3.  Not sure where to begin with this.  It's denial all the way down.


1.  You brought up booze on this thread before I did (and this in making an entirely false claim about my views on the topic, btw).  And I *do* want rebuttals to my arguments here.  Too bad that you haven't offered one yet.

2.  Another one of your baseless accusations.  I'm well aware that that's par for the course for you.

3.  Please feel free to start anywhere you like.
 
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