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2020-10-26 4:51:39 AM  
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2020-10-26 6:10:14 AM  
On point again, this time turning out to vote like a normal person, saying 2-hr vote lines is voter suppression, and talking about what a privilege it is to vote.

She's such an extremist, scary boogeyman.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-10-26 6:18:46 AM  
In the UK we vote in a single day, everyone votes in just one day. There are no queues, no waiting for minutes, let alone hours.

To have queues despite voting being carried out over days or weeks is unbelievable, and to hear someone suggest even 1 HOUR is acceptable is shocking. Its even more shocking when you consider that person to be the furthest left in the entire nation.
 
2020-10-26 6:58:22 AM  
VOTE BY MAIL!!!

It isn't difficult. Oregon figured it out, and we're certainly not the smartest people around--though were' certainly not the dumbest, right in the sweet-spot in the middle. Not showing off, not being pretentious.
 
2020-10-26 7:53:45 AM  
I early voted on Saturday.  Entire process didn't take more than 10 minutes.  Waiting more than 30 is indeed voter suppression.
 
2020-10-26 8:14:49 AM  
We need to start acknowledging that voter suppression is not just a red-state thing, but more than that we need to actually start doing something to to fix it.
 
2020-10-26 8:49:07 AM  
I have friends in Manhattan who waited over two hours on Saturday to vote. I never had to wait more than 5-10 minutes when I lived in NYC. The only thing that makes sense is that many more people than expected all came out on day one though one friend told me his polling place had the standard number of machines.

Meanwhile, here in NJ, we're all mail in/drop off this year with ballots arriving at our homes at the beginning of October. Fill out the ballot and mail it in or drop it off at a designated box. Much easier with counting already starting. The ballots cast on Election Day itself are going to be the same, though I think treated as provisional.
 
2020-10-26 8:54:07 AM  
long lines this month or bread and soup lines for 4 years.
 
2020-10-26 9:12:18 AM  
That was a really good interview.

NYC needs to make voting more accessible. They're just as bad as some red states.
 
2020-10-26 9:15:40 AM  

Xai: In the UK we vote in a single day, everyone votes in just one day. There are no queues, no waiting for minutes, let alone hours.

To have queues despite voting being carried out over days or weeks is unbelievable, and to hear someone suggest even 1 HOUR is acceptable is shocking. Its even more shocking when you consider that person to be the furthest left in the entire nation.


Next you'll be telling me you don't even have predictable elections on the same !@#&^* !@#&^%@$ day every @#$&*^$ two years.
 
2020-10-26 9:17:30 AM  
I guess it's the work of the evil Republicans politicians who run New York.

/oh wait . . .
 
2020-10-26 9:18:08 AM  

Xai: In the UK we vote in a single day, everyone votes in just one day. There are no queues, no waiting for minutes, let alone hours.

To have queues despite voting being carried out over days or weeks is unbelievable, and to hear someone suggest even 1 HOUR is acceptable is shocking. Its even more shocking when you consider that person to be the furthest left in the entire nation.


I live in (probably) the poorest Canadian province.  We somehow managed to have enough polling stations that I managed to vote in about 30 minutes, including biking my out-of-shape ass down there and back.  Total time at the polling station was maybe 5-10 minutes, and that was *with* the extra precautions due to the pandemic.
 
2020-10-26 9:19:33 AM  

fernt: I guess it's the work of the evil Republicans politicians who run New York.

/oh wait . . .


It's not the fault of either of the parties, because it happens across your country from what I can tell.  It's the fault of those voters who, as far as I can tell, will put up with ANYTHING as long as the other side gets the blame.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-10-26 9:19:40 AM  

Mr Guy: Xai: In the UK we vote in a single day, everyone votes in just one day. There are no queues, no waiting for minutes, let alone hours.

To have queues despite voting being carried out over days or weeks is unbelievable, and to hear someone suggest even 1 HOUR is acceptable is shocking. Its even more shocking when you consider that person to be the furthest left in the entire nation.

Next you'll be telling me you don't even have predictable elections on the same !@#&^* !@#&^%@$ day every @#$&*^$ two years.


LOL good point, ours are random and have only a minimum 25 day period to prepare. (generally 6 weeks since you kinda know it's coming when parliament is dissolved)
 
2020-10-26 9:20:45 AM  
Well, yeah.
Understand that outside the US people in other western industrialized nations look at these overly long line ups in US elections and see a travesty that smacks of Jim Crow.
 
2020-10-26 9:21:28 AM  
Electionearing!

The representative is near!
 
2020-10-26 9:23:17 AM  
Well according to this its more a cesspool of nepotism and incompetence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/26/ny​r​egion/nyc-voting-election-board.html
 
2020-10-26 9:23:34 AM  

Combustion: VOTE BY MAIL!!!

It isn't difficult. Oregon figured it out, and we're certainly not the smartest people around--though were' certainly not the dumbest, right in the sweet-spot in the middle. Not showing off, not being pretentious.


And then have your ballot thrown out, because the postal system that the Republicans deliberately hobbled can't be trusted.
 
2020-10-26 9:24:30 AM  

Xai: In the UK we vote in a single day, everyone votes in just one day. There are no queues, no waiting for minutes, let alone hours.

To have queues despite voting being carried out over days or weeks is unbelievable, and to hear someone suggest even 1 HOUR is acceptable is shocking. Its even more shocking when you consider that person to be the furthest left in the entire nation.


Yes, but you fail to take into account America is a terrible country.
 
2020-10-26 9:24:46 AM  

TheAlgebraist: fernt: I guess it's the work of the evil Republicans politicians who run New York.

/oh wait . . .

It's not the fault of either of the parties, because it happens across your country from what I can tell.  It's the fault of those voters who, as far as I can tell, will put up with ANYTHING as long as the other side gets the blame.


A lot of white Americans across party lines don't want certain people voting.
 
2020-10-26 9:25:23 AM  
I once had to wait almost 10 minutes in line to vote and I was outraged. Who does the government work for?
 
2020-10-26 9:25:24 AM  
Voted on Oct 16th at my county BoE. Took 2 hours. The BoE office is so small that they could only allow 10 voters at a time in order to ensure social distancing. 10 voters at a time in a county with 170k people.
 
2020-10-26 9:26:06 AM  
Election Day should also be a national holiday, so you have the whole day off to vote, not just during your lunch break.
 
2020-10-26 9:26:10 AM  
why would liberals suppress their own voters?
 
2020-10-26 9:27:05 AM  

Xai: Mr Guy: Xai: In the UK we vote in a single day, everyone votes in just one day. There are no queues, no waiting for minutes, let alone hours.

To have queues despite voting being carried out over days or weeks is unbelievable, and to hear someone suggest even 1 HOUR is acceptable is shocking. Its even more shocking when you consider that person to be the furthest left in the entire nation.

Next you'll be telling me you don't even have predictable elections on the same !@#&^* !@#&^%@$ day every @#$&*^$ two years.

LOL good point, ours are random and have only a minimum 25 day period to prepare. (generally 6 weeks since you kinda know it's coming when parliament is dissolved)


What, you don't have political campaigns that run for over a year? How do you cope with it?
 
2020-10-26 9:27:09 AM  

quatchi: people in other western industrialized nations look at these overly long line ups in US elections and see a travesty that smacks of Jim Crow.


They're also functioning democracies that believe the government exists to support people. What a radical concept.
 
2020-10-26 9:29:35 AM  

NutWrench: Election Day should also be a national holiday, so you have the whole day off to vote, not just during your lunch break.


what holidays do people really truly have the day off to do whatever? christmas probably has the biggest reach and lots of places like grocery stores and gas stations are still open. there's no way offices and retail and restaurants are going to close for election day. it'll just be banks, the mail, and government
 
2020-10-26 9:29:42 AM  

damageddude: I have friends in Manhattan who waited over two hours on Saturday to vote. I never had to wait more than 5-10 minutes when I lived in NYC. The only thing that makes sense is that many more people than expected all came out on day one though one friend told me his polling place had the standard number of machines.


I think this is the case. Far more demand than expected and poor planning does not necessarily mean voter suppression. Also, NYS didn't have early voting prior to 2019. This is relatively new and I'm not surprised that given the level of hatred for Trump that the city was unprepared. Again, this doesn't necessarily mean "voter suppression".
 
2020-10-26 9:30:20 AM  
The problem is bigger than long lines.  Voting equipment is often antiquated and slow.  Some of it may be voter suppression but a lot of it is just plain old neglect.  It's like the electoral college.  Everyone biatches about it before the election but the day after the vote, it goes right back to the back burner.
 
2020-10-26 9:30:51 AM  
Can anyone actually vouch for AOC being in line to vote?  Seems kinda sus to me.  I found the body in electrical.

/it was Toast
 
2020-10-26 9:30:56 AM  
The entire process is stupid. Nationalize the voting rules. On the first Thursday of every November (during a voting year), every citizen should be given a random ID number. You use that # to vote (via msg, email, in person... anything but mail). The following Friday is a national holiday, and you can vote (once) all weekend. Then it's over. The votes can be counted in an Excel spreadsheet. You can download it yourself if you want... they're just random ID numbers that give no personal information. And you can see for yourselfarknowing your ID) who you voted for to make sure it is accurate.

Poke holes in this.
 
2020-10-26 9:31:42 AM  

Persnickety: Everyone biatches about it before the election but the day after the vote, it goes right back to the back burner.


It's like you're this close to getting it.
 
2020-10-26 9:32:12 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: why would liberals suppress their own voters?


not a liberal issue. its a bipartisan trough

The official who oversees voter registration in New York City is the 80-year-old mother of a former congressman. The director of Election Day operations is a close friend of Manhattan's Republican chairwoman. The head of ballot management is the son of a former Brooklyn Democratic district leader. And the administrative manager is the wife of a City Council member.
As the workings of American democracy have become more complex - with sophisticated technology, early voting and the threat of foreign interference - New York has clung to a century-old system of local election administration that is one of the last vestiges of pure patronage in government, a relic from the era of powerful political clubhouses and Tammany Hall.
 
2020-10-26 9:32:26 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Combustion: VOTE BY MAIL!!!

It isn't difficult. Oregon figured it out, and we're certainly not the smartest people around--though were' certainly not the dumbest, right in the sweet-spot in the middle. Not showing off, not being pretentious.

And then have your ballot thrown out, because the postal system that the Republicans deliberately hobbled can't be trusted.


Oregon offers secure ballot dropboxes.
 
2020-10-26 9:32:31 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Who does the government work for?


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That's right buddy, you show those jerks who's boss!
 
2020-10-26 9:33:28 AM  

damageddude: I have friends in Manhattan who waited over two hours on Saturday to vote. I never had to wait more than 5-10 minutes when I lived in NYC. The only thing that makes sense is that many more people than expected all came out on day one though one friend told me his polling place had the standard number of machines.



Where did you vote?  Where did they vote?  Because individual polling places often matter.  Even setting aside typical Republican shenanigans (not really a thing in NYC), if you live in an upscale neighborhood - or your polling place includes a bit of an upscale neighborhood - there will be more machines per capita, and better maintained ones.  Because people with money like to pester government.  Harrison Charles Wentworth IX will show his ass publicly if he has to wait.  And make it known he won't contribute to your campaign next time.  But Fred O'Malley isn't going to do that.  So, Wentworth's polling station get more machines than there are voters registered for that polling place; O'Malley get one clunker shared in one polling location between five polling districts.

I used to live in a Democratic-dominated city in college.  When we lived in the designated student ghetto, you were lucky to get to vote before the next election arrived, When we moved to an apartment that abutted an upper-middle-class enclave, I was in and out so fast I had no idea what I would do with the rest of my week.

Ironically, I live in a beaten-down rural Appalachian town and vote the quickest.  Not because of size - I came from a small town a tiny fraction of the size and took longer to vote - but because it is so reliably red that the GOP is happy to slather us in machines.  So, every two years, I go and dutifully wait less than five minutes to cast my little blue ballot, which means less than a warm bucket of spit for the parade of MAGAts were send to represent us.  And even though there is a "straight ticket" option, I still do each race individually just so I can mutter "Fark you" to each and every Republican on the ballot; if I can't have a practical effect on the results, at least I can try and hex the farkers good and proper.
 
2020-10-26 9:33:32 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: why would liberals suppress their own voters?


In blue states just because a guy is a Democrat doesn't mean he actually is on our side the Independent Democratic Conference is a thing
 
2020-10-26 9:33:57 AM  
Pretty sure I spent 2 hours voting in 2018. I'm hoping today takes less time.
 
2020-10-26 9:34:27 AM  
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2020-10-26 9:35:54 AM  

Combustion: VOTE BY MAIL!!!

It isn't difficult. Oregon figured it out, and we're certainly not the smartest people around--though were' certainly not the dumbest, right in the sweet-spot in the middle. Not showing off, not being pretentious.


Arrives at the same time to drop off our balance and we both try to waive the other on...
 
2020-10-26 9:36:40 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: why would liberals suppress their own voters?


^^^ Look

Someone who thinks that New York City politics are actually liberal
 
2020-10-26 9:37:54 AM  
This simply shouldn't happen. There's no reason, particularly in a society advanced as ours, anyone should have to wait that long in a line to vote.

There are forces working against people voting. I don't care who you think it is, that they exist is enough to make them the enemy of democracy in general and America specifically.

And it's one of the reasons I'm voting for Biden. You look at AOC. She's doing/saying this because it's who she is. If she were constantly harping on about something like putting ketchup on a hotdog or something fatuous it would be annoying.But when someone pushes that hard for something noble it's because they are noble. There's something in her core being that makes her answer every bell on injustice and inequality.

In the same way, I'm not thrilled with all of Biden's track record, but the basic facts of who he is, a decent human being, means that we're not going to be that far off track. The variation is going to be the "how," not the "what" or "why." Those come from him just being who he is.

I look forward to voting for AOC for any higher office.
 
2020-10-26 9:38:28 AM  

quatchi: Well, yeah.
Understand that outside the US people in other western industrialized nations look at these overly long line ups in US elections and see a travesty that smacks of Jim Crow.


The US system leaves the rest of the western democracies shaking their heads - it just raises so many questions - mostly along the lines of, "why doesn't the Leader of the Free World want every citizen to vote?"
 
2020-10-26 9:38:33 AM  
The problem with early voting is that there's just a handful of polling places open vs on election day when they are all open.  For instance, in the county I live in, there's 1 to 5 polling places open for early voting vs I'm presuming 50 to 100 on election day.  The big problem we have here (Georgia, USA) is that we got new voting machines and the elderly people who staff the elections don't know how to use them yet.

It used to be that early voting was more of just a convenience thing.  Now it's more useful when you vote early, the fact that you've done so is public information so it turns off a lot of the spam snail mail and door knocks and robocalls that you get otherwise.

Personally, I went to a web portal, requested an absentee ballot, filled it in, and stuck it in a mailbox at the post office.  I spent more time biatching about my lousy candidate choices than requesting and mailing, and yes, it is marked as received.
 
2020-10-26 9:39:57 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: TheAlgebraist: fernt: I guess it's the work of the evil Republicans politicians who run New York.

/oh wait . . .

It's not the fault of either of the parties, because it happens across your country from what I can tell.  It's the fault of those voters who, as far as I can tell, will put up with ANYTHING as long as the other side gets the blame.

A lot of white Americans across party lines don't want certain people voting.


Bulls*** - there is only one of the two parties that has voters that feel that way.

Take that BSAB crap back to the Kremlin.
 
2020-10-26 9:40:51 AM  

Combustion: VOTE BY MAIL!!!

It isn't difficult. Oregon figured it out, and we're certainly not the smartest people around--though were' certainly not the dumbest, right in the sweet-spot in the middle. Not showing off, not being pretentious.


I'm sorry, but in some areas it's not all that safe. Trump made it a self-fulfilling prophecy. He wasn't saying voting by mail isn't secure; He was saying "please, my dim & cruel minions, make it insecure."

So we get things like Trumper postal carriers discarding mailed ballots, or lone Trumpers setting ballot drop boxes and mailboxes in Democrat-leaning neighborhoods on fire.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/​f​ire-set-to-ballot-drop-box-in-bostons-​copley-square-disgrace-to-democracy/22​18074/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS​t​ory/postal-carrier-accused-stealing-ma​il-ballot-miami-73713450

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondur​kee/2020/10/07/nj-mail-carrier-arreste​d-for-dumping-mail-including-ballots/#​2eb142d0ef0b

https://nbc-2.com/news/state/2020/10/​2​0/miami-postal-carrier-accused-of-stea​ling-mail-in-ballot/

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi​n​g-room/news/506869-postal-worker-plead​s-guilty-to-election-fraud-after-chang​ing

https://www.theepochtimes.com/bags-of​-​stolen-mail-that-includes-numerous-bal​lots-found-discarded-in-washington-tow​n_3542609.html

Every time Trump says something awful IS happening, it's a signal to his idiot supporters to MAKE something awful happen.

I'll be voting in person. I live in a rural area so there won't be big lines. If there are, though, I'll stay and wait and vote like my life depends on it, because honestly it kinda does.
 
2020-10-26 9:42:02 AM  
I can order any food from any restaurant around me and have it delivered in half an hour. At this point, voting should be even easier than that.

Maybe we should outsource vote collection to Uber Eats.
 
2020-10-26 9:42:57 AM  
I will say that of all the times i have voted in New England and the tri-state I have never waited longer than 10 minutes tops
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-10-26 9:43:17 AM  

kindms: Well according to this its more a cesspool of nepotism and incompetence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/26/nyr​egion/nyc-voting-election-board.html


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So what is the excuse in Texas, Georgia, Florida, etc... etc.. etc...

and all other examples of a great government and concern for constituents?
 
2020-10-26 9:44:39 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: The entire process is stupid. Nationalize the voting rules. On the first Thursday of every November (during a voting year), every citizen should be given a random ID number. You use that # to vote (via msg, email, in person... anything but mail). The following Friday is a national holiday, and you can vote (once) all weekend. Then it's over. The votes can be counted in an Excel spreadsheet. You can download it yourself if you want... they're just random ID numbers that give no personal information. And you can see for yourselfarknowing your ID) who you voted for to make sure it is accurate.

Poke holes in this.


Actually this is one of your smarter ideas.
 
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