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(CNN)   In news that should surprise none: Fact-checkers state Donald Trump lied 16 times during his 60 Minutes interview   (cnn.com) divider line
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2020-10-25 11:37:56 PM  
I'm surprised it was so few.
 
2020-10-26 12:06:13 AM  

BizarreMan: I'm surprised it was so few.


Pretty much.
 
2020-10-26 12:10:29 AM  
16 times?  Was it only 2 minutes long?

He's been known to lie 4 times in the same sentence.
 
2020-10-26 2:00:09 AM  
Good for him. Turned the corner.
 
2020-10-26 2:07:14 AM  
Nice try. There were commercials, so he only lied 16 times in 42 minutes.
 
2020-10-26 2:09:35 AM  

etoof: Nice try. There were commercials, so he only lied 16 times in 42 minutes.


Only half the show was about him and pence... so 21 minutes.
 
2020-10-26 2:09:42 AM  
Seems low. I assume that's the final product not the raw footage.
 
2020-10-26 2:09:54 AM  
He kept it under triple digits?!  How presidential of him.
 
2020-10-26 2:10:21 AM  
The suspense is killing me
 
2020-10-26 2:12:10 AM  

ccsears: etoof: Nice try. There were commercials, so he only lied 16 times in 42 minutes.

Only half the show was about him and pence... so 21 minutes.


...and maybe 5 of those 21 minutes were with pence and other miscellameous crap.  So maybe 16 minutes.


So roughly once per minute.

Or basically ever farking question.
 
2020-10-26 2:14:15 AM  

dv-ous: BizarreMan: I'm surprised it was so few.

Pretty much.


Came to say this.
 
2020-10-26 2:16:01 AM  
16 times? Musnt have counted the times he lied by omission.
 
2020-10-26 2:19:56 AM  

Alphax: 16 times?  Was it only 2 minutes long?

He's been known to lie 4 times in the same sentence.


Yeah the medias always undercount his lies. He usually tells like 2-3 lies per sentence.
 
2020-10-26 2:21:20 AM  
Yeah, but all politicians lie.
 
2020-10-26 2:22:18 AM  

ccsears: ccsears: etoof: Nice try. There were commercials, so he only lied 16 times in 42 minutes.

Only half the show was about him and pence... so 21 minutes.

...and maybe 5 of those 21 minutes were with pence and other miscellameous crap.  So maybe 16 minutes.


So roughly once per minute.

Or basically ever farking question.


Plus he walked out early and some of the time was the interviewer asking questions, so even less than that.

...If only someone actually watched it who could tell us how long he spoke.
 
2020-10-26 2:26:46 AM  
In other news, during the interview Trump said 16 things that involved facts and were comprehensible enough to determine what he said.
 
2020-10-26 2:27:43 AM  
Wow, he's really getting tired, isn't he?
 
2020-10-26 2:29:17 AM  
Did we find out what was in the thick book (that looked blank)?
 
2020-10-26 2:31:36 AM  
He is slowing down.

Scary.
 
2020-10-26 2:34:40 AM  
He went in loaded for bear and it showed. He was pissed off because he couldn't control the questioning. He tried to turn it into one of his fox attack interviews and it didn't work.

At least we found out what was in The Big Little Book - a few EOs and notes with nothing resembling a health plan. We knew that already but it was good to have confirmation.

The best part of the show for me was Kamala. When asked the socialism question there was that look and pause then she burst out laughing and laughed out the answer.
 
2020-10-26 2:38:09 AM  

KWess: Did we find out what was in the thick book (that looked blank)?


From a post by me down a bit - yes.

At least we found out what was in The Big Little Book - a few EOs and notes with nothing resembling a health plan. We knew that already but it was good to have confirmation.
 
2020-10-26 2:40:14 AM  
Apparently I'm missing out on all of the amazing criminal justice reforms Trump has accomplished.

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2020-10-26 2:45:02 AM  
60* minutes
 
2020-10-26 2:48:15 AM  
It would have been higher but he didn't stay the whole 60 minutes, he ran out like a pouty baby because he was about to start crying.
 
2020-10-26 2:54:36 AM  

lolmao500: Alphax: 16 times?  Was it only 2 minutes long?

He's been known to lie 4 times in the same sentence.

Yeah the medias always undercount his lies. He usually tells like 2-3 lies per sentence.


Considering how rarely he speaks in complete sentences, it's rather impressive.
 
2020-10-26 2:55:26 AM  
Collected here are a list of those anti-reform actions as of 3 Feb 2020:

Restricted clemency to only those who are celebrities, well-connected individuals, or have a personal affiliation with the president3*

Encouraged the use of excessive police force on peaceful Black Lives Matter protestors4*

Threatened maximum sentences for vandalism of monuments5*

Restarted federal executions after a 17-year informal moratorium on federal capital punishment6*

Secretly altered the risk assessment authorized in the FIRST Step Act to drastically reduce the number of federally incarcerated people eligible to be released to subdue the spread of COVID-197*

Denied federal coronavirus relief funding to small business owners with a criminal record8*

Argued in court against people eligible for sentence reductions under the FIRST STEP Act9

Jeopardized the FIRST STEP Act by underfunding its programs10

Reinstated DOJ contracts with private prisons11

Left director of the Bureau of Prisons position vacant for more than a year12

Disbanded a program to create federal prison education systems13

Closed halfway houses that help those incarcerated transition back to the community14

Prohibited federal investigations of patterns of unconstitutional policing15

Stopped assistance to police departments that voluntarily wanted reform16

Eliminated restrictions preventing police departments from obtaining military equipment17

Eliminated community-based violence prevention programs18

Condemned public criticism of police by threatening that protestors "might find themselves without the protection they need"19

Eliminated DOJ community policing program grants in proposed executive budget20

Attacked prosecutors who are pursuing criminal justice reform in their communitites21

Proposed to eliminate a DOJ office dedicated to help communities reduce racial conflict22

Rescinded federal guidance meant to stem the flow of the school to prison pipeline23

Ordered federal prosecutors to pursue the harshest punishments possible24

Threatened federal prosecutions for marijuana in states where it is legal25

Attempted to resume use of the federal death penalty and encouraged expansion of the death penalty in drug cases26

Waged the same failed war on drugs from the 80s27

Attempted to force federal job candidates to disclose participation in diversion programs28

Expanded the federal use of civil asset forfeiture29

Suspended the national forensic science commission30

Failed to report on deaths in police custody as required by Congress31

Disbanded the DOJ Science Advisory Board that provided evidence-based rigor to DOJ policies32

Rescinded DOJ guidance that warned courts against excessive fees and fines33


He did, however, sign into law the FIRST STEP Act -- a bipartisan federal sentencing and prison reform bill -- and then take all the credit for it in the usual Trump style.
 
2020-10-26 3:01:07 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Collected here are a list of those anti-reform actions as of 3 Feb 2020:

Restricted clemency to only those who are celebrities, well-connected individuals, or have a personal affiliation with the president3*

Encouraged the use of excessive police force on peaceful Black Lives Matter protestors4*

Threatened maximum sentences for vandalism of monuments5*

Restarted federal executions after a 17-year informal moratorium on federal capital punishment6*

Secretly altered the risk assessment authorized in the FIRST Step Act to drastically reduce the number of federally incarcerated people eligible to be released to subdue the spread of COVID-197*

Denied federal coronavirus relief funding to small business owners with a criminal record8*

Argued in court against people eligible for sentence reductions under the FIRST STEP Act9

Jeopardized the FIRST STEP Act by underfunding its programs10

Reinstated DOJ contracts with private prisons11

Left director of the Bureau of Prisons position vacant for more than a year12

Disbanded a program to create federal prison education systems13

Closed halfway houses that help those incarcerated transition back to the community14

Prohibited federal investigations of patterns of unconstitutional policing15

Stopped assistance to police departments that voluntarily wanted reform16

Eliminated restrictions preventing police departments from obtaining military equipment17

Eliminated community-based violence prevention programs18

Condemned public criticism of police by threatening that protestors "might find themselves without the protection they need"19

Eliminated DOJ community policing program grants in proposed executive budget20

Attacked prosecutors who are pursuing criminal justice reform in their communitites21

Proposed to eliminate a DOJ office dedicated to help communities reduce racial conflict22

Rescinded federal guidance meant to stem the flow of the school to prison pipeline23

Ordered federal prosecutors to pursue the harshest punishments possible24

Threatened federal prosecutions for marijuana in states where it is legal25

Attempted to resume use of the federal death penalty and encouraged expansion of the death penalty in drug cases26

Waged the same failed war on drugs from the 80s27

Attempted to force federal job candidates to disclose participation in diversion programs28

Expanded the federal use of civil asset forfeiture29

Suspended the national forensic science commission30

Failed to report on deaths in police custody as required by Congress31

Disbanded the DOJ Science Advisory Board that provided evidence-based rigor to DOJ policies32

Rescinded DOJ guidance that warned courts against excessive fees and fines33


He did, however, sign into law the FIRST STEP Act -- a bipartisan federal sentencing and prison reform bill -- and then take all the credit for it in the usual Trump style.


Ok, sure that's all true. But what about Hunter Biden's laptop?

/checkmate Mxyzptlk
 
2020-10-26 3:15:31 AM  

saturn badger: KWess: Did we find out what was in the thick book (that looked blank)?

From a post by me down a bit - yes.

At least we found out what was in The Big Little Book - a few EOs and notes with nothing resembling a health plan. We knew that already but it was good to have confirmation.


Cheers, thanks.
 
2020-10-26 3:36:58 AM  

mrparks: He is slowing down.

Scary.


Low energy. Sad.
 
2020-10-26 3:44:47 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Disbanded the DOJ Science Advisory Board that provided evidence-based rigor to DOJ policies32

Rescinded DOJ guidance that warned courts against excessive fees and fines33


He did, however, sign into law the FIRST STEP Act -- a bipartisan federal sentencing and prison reform bill -- and then take all the credit for it in the usual Trump style.


Ok, however, our governor did much less than that. So there.
 
2020-10-26 3:48:46 AM  
fta: "Stahl pointed out that people can see for themselves that it's not true when he repeatedly claims we have "turned the corner" on the pandemic and that it is "disappearing." Trump responded, "That's right, we have turned the corner."

Pretty much sums Trump up.

Stahl points out obvious lie.
Trump simply repeats lie.
 
2020-10-26 3:49:08 AM  
Wake me when he's telling anything true!
 
2020-10-26 3:51:23 AM  

Paddy: Wake me when he's telling anything true!


IIRC, at a rally last week, he said that nobody wants him.
 
2020-10-26 4:53:42 AM  
For Trump, lying is like breathing:  a necessary activity in order to keep living.
 
2020-10-26 5:07:56 AM  

Alphax: Paddy: Wake me when he's telling anything true!

IIRC, at a rally last week, he said that nobody wants him.


How wrong I was. So both sides are good, obviously ;-)
 
2020-10-26 5:11:35 AM  

Paddy: Alphax: Paddy: Wake me when he's telling anything true!

IIRC, at a rally last week, he said that nobody wants him.

How wrong I was. So both sides are good, obviously ;-)


Oh there was this..

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2020-10-26 5:14:28 AM  
you plebes seem unaware of how free speech* works
 
2020-10-26 5:20:06 AM  

Paddy: Wake me when he's telling anything true!


He said he'd like to date his daughter.
 
2020-10-26 5:37:07 AM  
Anyone else unhappy about Biden's "I'll give the police more money" answer?  I know, I know.. he's very much a moderate, and he's a million times better than Trump.  But still, I was kinda hoping he'd be a bit more bold.
 
2020-10-26 5:44:41 AM  
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2020-10-26 6:00:32 AM  

Cythraul: Anyone else unhappy about Biden's "I'll give the police more money" answer?  I know, I know.. he's very much a moderate, and he's a million times better than Trump.  But still, I was kinda hoping he'd be a bit more bold.


He's been clear, he wants more money for non-lethals, training, social workers and other mechanisms to help the police learn how to stop killing black people.

Which they do need to stop.
 
2020-10-26 6:06:42 AM  

NathanAllen: Cythraul: Anyone else unhappy about Biden's "I'll give the police more money" answer?  I know, I know.. he's very much a moderate, and he's a million times better than Trump.  But still, I was kinda hoping he'd be a bit more bold.

He's been clear, he wants more money for non-lethals, training, social workers and other mechanisms to help the police learn how to stop killing black people.

Which they do need to stop.


That's good to know.  Devil's in the details, as they say.
 
2020-10-26 6:20:48 AM  

BizarreMan: I'm surprised it was so few.


Done in one.
 
2020-10-26 6:31:11 AM  

Cythraul: Anyone else unhappy about Biden's "I'll give the police more money" answer?


Depends entirely on what conditions the money comes with. I do not oppose funding ANY public service - I am not a Republican.
I'd be happy to fund police departments generously, if they actually served the people.
 
2020-10-26 6:38:58 AM  

sonnyboy11: Ok, sure that's all true. But what about Hunter Biden's laptop?

/checkmate Mxyzptlk


I read that as "Hillary Bidens' " laptop and it still made sense in context.
 
2020-10-26 6:51:06 AM  
look, this is an infrastructure week.

plus, tomorrow is a rest day.
 
2020-10-26 6:54:28 AM  

Be polite walk on the right: you plebes seem unaware of how free speech* works


Does it mean that obvious lies can't be challenged, and must be presented as if they were actually valid points of view with no criticism?

That seems to be the definition in vogue with right wing media and this administration.
 
2020-10-26 6:58:41 AM  
A lie every coupla minutes...sounds about right 
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2020-10-26 7:03:56 AM  

Be polite walk on the right: you plebes seem unaware of how free speech* works


Lying is not acceptable "free speech" from a potus* - and especially not 20,000 plus lies in 4 years, let alone 16 lies in a 30 minute interview, nationally televised, via 60 Minutes, a week before an election.

I know you like the lies, but it's a Bad Faith Argument to suggest that he has "the right".
 
2020-10-26 7:04:13 AM  

Cythraul: Anyone else unhappy about Biden's "I'll give the police more money" answer?  I know, I know.. he's very much a moderate, and he's a million times better than Trump.  But still, I was kinda hoping he'd be a bit more bold.


Honestly it really depends on what the "more money" is used for. More military equipment? Yeah, big problem. De-escalation training, in-house ride-along social workers, etc? Not a problem. Police don't need to be defunded so much as they need to be demilitarized right now and refocused on helping local communities. Also, spending some more money on new hires who aren't KKK members would be prudent.
 
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