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2020-10-25 9:21:13 PM  
One would think that current events would cause more people to see religion for the perpetuating pile of horse shiat that it is.

/one would think
 
2020-10-25 9:23:39 PM  
Let me know how that works out for ya'.  One of the crazy TV preachers blew it away with his magical holy breath back at the beginning of this mess and things got worse. Maybe Covid loves Jesus
 
2020-10-25 9:24:20 PM  
Sure, just make sure all your goodbyes are said since half your family will be ill and quite a few will die in the new year. What an idiot
 
2020-10-25 9:24:30 PM  
The religious are so farking stupid.
 
2020-10-25 9:25:12 PM  
What's he got to say? Oh, irrel. That's my favourite kind of elephant!
 
2020-10-25 9:25:30 PM  

cookiedough: Sure, just make sure all your goodbyes are said since half your family will be ill and quite a few will die in the new year. What an idiot


That's so bogus.  What a waste of Christmas presents.
 
2020-10-25 9:25:48 PM  
Easter & Pentecost are the big Christian holy days. Christmas is almost secular in comparison.
 
2020-10-25 9:28:40 PM  
Those collection plates ain't gonna fill themselves.
 
2020-10-25 9:30:02 PM  
But Karen put that top hat in place, and lo and behold, Coughy the Covidman sprung back to life, because he was made of Christmas virus.  It was a miracle!

Turn off the TV kids, it's time to bury Nana.
 
2020-10-25 9:31:01 PM  
It's a virus. You can't reason with it. You can't bully it. It's not going to 'take a day off' if you promise not to try to find a vaccine for it that day
 
2020-10-25 9:34:54 PM  
I know he's in Scotland but that's close enough

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2020-10-25 9:36:50 PM  
let them enjoy their day. for these people it's about the birth of Christ. some folks have no idea what faith can do. not saying it's right or wrong. i'm saying these people have convictions. beliefs come with a price.
 
2020-10-25 9:37:16 PM  
Is COVID setting off carbombs again?
 
2020-10-25 9:38:42 PM  
Another religious nut that thing freedom of religion should include actual non symbolic human sacrifice.
 
2020-10-25 9:38:58 PM  
think, not thing.
 
2020-10-25 9:43:45 PM  
Death cult at it again, I see.
 
2020-10-25 9:44:03 PM  
Does he think this would actually do any good ? The minute people get an inch of freedom they'll take a foot.
 
2020-10-25 9:46:01 PM  

TorpedoOrca: It's a virus. You can't reason with it. You can't bully it. It's not going to 'take a day off' if you promise not to try to find a vaccine for it that day


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2020-10-25 9:46:02 PM  

sinko swimo: let them enjoy their day. for these people it's about the birth of Christ. some folks have no idea what faith can do. not saying it's right or wrong. i'm saying these people have convictions. beliefs come with a price.


The price of those beliefs is perpetuating a public health crisis for everyone else. I don't think Jesus would be in favour of that.

And Christians in earlier times have endured far worse hardships for expressing their beliefs than suffering the inconvenience of not being able to see the fam for a bit, and the inevitable falling out over a drunken game of charades.
 
2020-10-25 9:51:36 PM  
For those who actually RTFA, this may not be the worst idea, from a psychological perspective.

Most people aren't like Farkers, able to easily spend years without direct human contact, without noticeable effects.  For normies, as the lockdowns continue, people will get tired, and more and more will start "bending" or outright breaking the rules.  See: America.

If a 24 hour grace period on restrictions helps people see family, and mentally prepare for further lockdowns, it might be a good thing.  Especially on Christmas, when the effects can be somewhat mitigated.  People will be visiting family (small groups) or churches (local groups), not traveling to major cities to go shopping/on vacation, and then bringing COVID back with them.  Yes, some infection will spread, but there's a good chance it'd be less than if lockdown fatigue fully sets in.

Not saying that this is absolutely what would happen, but there are probably some decent psychological and epidemiological models that can be used to further explore the idea of a "lockdown grace period".  It's worth evaluating, at least, and not just dismissing outright.
 
2020-10-25 9:54:36 PM  
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2020-10-25 9:54:45 PM  

sinko swimo: let them enjoy their day. for these people it's about the birth of Christ. some folks have no idea what faith can do. not saying it's right or wrong. i'm saying these people have convictions. beliefs come with a price.


The price for those beliefs in this case will mostly be paid not by these people, but by others they contact. Unless they have signed consent forms from everyone they meet, will meet, or might meet, they'll just have to forego their own selfishness. Do you think otherwise?
 
2020-10-25 9:56:11 PM  

tyyreaunn: Yes, some infection will spread, but there's a good chance it'd be less than if lockdown fatigue fully sets in.


You forgot the citation this one.
 
2020-10-25 9:59:05 PM  

thorpe: tyyreaunn: Yes, some infection will spread, but there's a good chance it'd be less than if lockdown fatigue fully sets in.

You forgot the citation this one.


Like I said in the remainder of my post, I think it's worth studying using scientific models, etc.  I'm certainly not proposing assuming that'll be true and moving forward without additional consideration.
 
2020-10-25 10:02:48 PM  

tyyreaunn: For those who actually RTFA, this may not be the worst idea, from a psychological perspective.

Most people aren't like Farkers, able to easily spend years without direct human contact, without noticeable effects.  For normies, as the lockdowns continue, people will get tired, and more and more will start "bending" or outright breaking the rules.  See: America.

If a 24 hour grace period on restrictions helps people see family, and mentally prepare for further lockdowns, it might be a good thing.  Especially on Christmas, when the effects can be somewhat mitigated.  People will be visiting family (small groups) or churches (local groups), not traveling to major cities to go shopping/on vacation, and then bringing COVID back with them.  Yes, some infection will spread, but there's a good chance it'd be less than if lockdown fatigue fully sets in.

Not saying that this is absolutely what would happen, but there are probably some decent psychological and epidemiological models that can be used to further explore the idea of a "lockdown grace period".  It's worth evaluating, at least, and not just dismissing outright.


If they stayed strong early, we would have been over it not be in our TENTH MONTH OF STUPID CONSEQUENCES. Yes, isolation and digital meetings can be rough mentally, doubly so for those with special people with special conditions (like those with severely autistic children who can't handle a massive change in routine). It IS hard, we should support who we can and how we can.

But we (collectively) chose going to Applebees was more important than public health, that high school sports were more important, that going to Bumfark South Dakota to drink crappy beer with fat losers on Harleys was more important.

It's the public health equivalent to a credit card. Every time we make progress in paying off the balance, some dumbasses decide to treat themselves and the balance jumps back up. And normally, I wouldn't give a damn if the "credit card" impacted only the idiots. But it doesn't. I have to pay for their running a balance and skipping payments. So the whiners can piss off for a good year or so.
 
2020-10-25 10:45:14 PM  

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Oh yeah that preacher is quite insane.
 
2020-10-25 10:46:26 PM  
He seems like a pleasant idiot.
 
2020-10-25 11:07:38 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: tyyreaunn: For those who actually RTFA, this may not be the worst idea, from a psychological perspective.

Most people aren't like Farkers, able to easily spend years without direct human contact, without noticeable effects.  For normies, as the lockdowns continue, people will get tired, and more and more will start "bending" or outright breaking the rules.  See: America.

If a 24 hour grace period on restrictions helps people see family, and mentally prepare for further lockdowns, it might be a good thing.  Especially on Christmas, when the effects can be somewhat mitigated.  People will be visiting family (small groups) or churches (local groups), not traveling to major cities to go shopping/on vacation, and then bringing COVID back with them.  Yes, some infection will spread, but there's a good chance it'd be less than if lockdown fatigue fully sets in.

Not saying that this is absolutely what would happen, but there are probably some decent psychological and epidemiological models that can be used to further explore the idea of a "lockdown grace period".  It's worth evaluating, at least, and not just dismissing outright.

If they stayed strong early, we would have been over it not be in our TENTH MONTH OF STUPID CONSEQUENCES. Yes, isolation and digital meetings can be rough mentally, doubly so for those with special people with special conditions (like those with severely autistic children who can't handle a massive change in routine). It IS hard, we should support who we can and how we can.

But we (collectively) chose going to Applebees was more important than public health, that high school sports were more important, that going to Bumfark South Dakota to drink crappy beer with fat losers on Harleys was more important.

It's the public health equivalent to a credit card. Every time we make progress in paying off the balance, some dumbasses decide to treat themselves and the balance jumps back up. And normally, I wouldn't give a damn if the "credit card" impacted only the idiots. But it doesn't. I have to pay for their running a balance and skipping payments. So the whiners can piss off for a good year or so.


You are so right, and only biden can save pharma i mean us, cmon man.
 
2020-10-25 11:11:39 PM  
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2020-10-25 11:18:36 PM  
They're all St Mitten fans down there, so no great loss.
 
2020-10-25 11:32:17 PM  
 
2020-10-25 11:55:24 PM  

tyyreaunn: If a 24 hour grace period on restrictions helps people see family


How are you going to convince a virus to go along with this "grace period"?
 
2020-10-26 12:10:01 AM  

SpaceyCat: tyyreaunn: If a 24 hour grace period on restrictions helps people see family

How are you going to convince a virus to go along with this "grace period"?


So you didn't read the article, or the rest of my comment, did you?
 
2020-10-26 12:30:45 AM  

sinko swimo: let them enjoy their day. for these people it's about the birth of Christ. some folks have no idea what faith can do. not saying it's right or wrong. i'm saying these people have convictions. beliefs come with a price.


Yes, it is about the birth of Christ.  It's not about hosting Super Spreader events that will ruin Three Kings' Day for generations.

Having a family member die on a holiday ruins the holiday.

/Mom died on St. Patrick's
//Dad died a week before Father's Day.
///yikes
 
2020-10-26 1:19:17 AM  
I thought the Bishop of Paisley was Prince's penis.
 
2020-10-26 1:31:51 AM  
That's not how virii work asshole
 
2020-10-26 2:17:18 AM  

tyyreaunn: For those who actually RTFA, this may not be the worst idea, from a psychological perspective.

Most people aren't like Farkers, able to easily spend years without direct human contact, without noticeable effects.  For normies, as the lockdowns continue, people will get tired, and more and more will start "bending" or outright breaking the rules.  See: America.

If a 24 hour grace period on restrictions helps people see family, and mentally prepare for further lockdowns, it might be a good thing.  Especially on Christmas, when the effects can be somewhat mitigated.  People will be visiting family (small groups) or churches (local groups), not traveling to major cities to go shopping/on vacation, and then bringing COVID back with them.  Yes, some infection will spread, but there's a good chance it'd be less than if lockdown fatigue fully sets in.

Not saying that this is absolutely what would happen, but there are probably some decent psychological and epidemiological models that can be used to further explore the idea of a "lockdown grace period".  It's worth evaluating, at least, and not just dismissing outright.


"Lockdown grace period" AKA Active plague perpetuation event AKA The Purge.
 
2020-10-26 5:03:22 AM  
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2020-10-26 5:58:53 AM  
Since my usual Christmas morning involves standing up for 2 hours peeling brussel sprouts, carrots and potatoes to feed 10 people, I'd rather there was no "truce" and everyone stayed at home instead.
 
2020-10-26 8:43:41 AM  
Where was all this religion hate in some other threads? Or do we save it all for Christians?
 
2020-10-26 9:15:51 AM  
Calling out plague spreading rats = religious hate

Got it!
 
2020-10-26 9:21:53 AM  
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2020-10-26 10:12:39 AM  
 

tyyreaunn: SpaceyCat: tyyreaunn: If a 24 hour grace period on restrictions helps people see family

How are you going to convince a virus to go along with this "grace period"?

So you didn't read the article, or the rest of my comment, did you?



I read the article and your comment and your post in this thread is no different form herd immunity proponents since the beginning of this pandemic when the west still referred to it as an epidemic. The Man O' Cloth in FTA says:
"Perhaps we should consider a Christmas 'circuit-breaker'. A 24-hour lifting of restrictions on gatherings and celebrations, a break in the war on Covid, just like the pause in the First World War on the Western Front in 1914, when the British and German troops laid down their guns and met in no man's land to celebrate Christmas." (Emphasis mine.)


Just like? A pathogen is not in any way or fashion like soldiers agreeing to cease hostilities. And this grotesque analogy/simile of the good bishop's is after arguing Christmas needs a "circuit-breaker"-- as if C19 will cease to be contagious with the lights off.

But your post is not about clinical realities of a contagion. Your post is a What If? What If people reach a breaking point and go full zombie and abandon any and all quarantine advisories? Think about how awful that would be, huh! Yet your solution is, for a whole day, ignore quarantine advisories.

Logic! Tah-dah!

Such amoral argument was made early on, in February, and ever since as nervous western leaders have watched China at first mitigate and then contain C19. How the west would maintain an economic lead that was expected to cripple China, but didn't, has haunted western investors ever since.

Yours and the good bishop's amateur opinion, unconsciously or unknowingly nor not, is the same tired balancing act of advocating for the "well being" of a whole nation's economic standing in the world stacked against how many will die to maintain it.

And that argument is perverse. And so is your post. And so was Boris Johnson's "plan" for Britain that embraced herd immunity without a vaccine in place, until it almost killed him.
 
2020-10-26 10:59:36 AM  

Bslim: Calling out plague spreading rats = religious hate

Got it!


Okay. How about killing in the name of?
 
2020-10-26 12:41:16 PM  
Bishop Keenan, who also serves as the vice president of the Bishops' Conference of Scotland, said strict restrictions on Christmas gatherings ran "the risk of destroying all hope".

Such a fearless leader!  He's clearly thinking of all the hard working parrishoners that he can't put the screws to for a wee bit of funding.
 
2020-10-26 12:49:49 PM  
FTFA:Scotland's deputy chief medical officer Nicola Steedman said the problem with the bishop's idea was that "our opponent hasn't agreed to the amnesty".

Way to bury the lead, BBC.
 
2020-10-26 1:06:38 PM  
The bishop should try preaching how Christianity, and humanity, have been able to weather way worse hardships than the ones that we currently face. Instead of, you know, saying shiat that'll get people killed; nothing epitomizes "hope" more than being hospitalized/put on a ventilator while loved ones die.

Be safe, people, and be smart. Listen to the experts. Don't take unnecessary risks.

Don't be like this bishop.
 
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