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(Guardian)   20 years ago, Josh Hartnett was an A-list movie star: one bomb torpedoed his career and today he just acts. "I ultimately chose to do it because turning it down would've been based on fear. Then it defined me, which means I was right to fear it"   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2020-10-25 1:59:35 AM  
Alright, he's good looking, but didn't register enough on camera to make it as a long-term star. Too squinty and his face is too closed. A star needs to have an openness to them, a way in, and he didn't have it.
 
2020-10-25 4:26:15 AM  
I thought he was great in Penny Dreadful.  So was everyone else. /shrug.
 
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2020-10-25 6:04:00 AM  
I RTFA and I get what he's after.  He did have the disadvantage/benefit of appearing during the height of rom-coms and then star in subsequent films.  As written in the article, he felt that he set to be foisted upon audiences as one of the next big things.  At the same time, several other next big things were seeing screen time and it all kind of seemed like a wash, as in "who cares who you are or how you can act?"  Article makes him seem like a nice fella, that's too bad.

Pearl farking Harbor.  I was in HI at the time it premiered on a carrier.  They brought in dozens upon dozens of survivors to watch the premier, and also visit the Arizona and other museums.  It seemed a little tough even then.  I flew out a day or two later and only later learned the kind of abortion that movie really was.  I felt sooo terrible for all of those men who were asked to revisit trauma just to be exposed to something so offensive.
 
2020-10-25 6:27:21 AM  
I liked Lucky Number Sleven.
 
2020-10-25 6:33:25 AM  
He married Tamsin Egerton. He's already won at life.

Still, Pearl Harbor sucked just a little bit more than he loves her.
 
2020-10-25 6:50:58 AM  

433: I RTFA and I get what he's after.  He did have the disadvantage/benefit of appearing during the height of rom-coms and then star in subsequent films.  As written in the article, he felt that he set to be foisted upon audiences as one of the next big things.  At the same time, several other next big things were seeing screen time and it all kind of seemed like a wash, as in "who cares who you are or how you can act?"  Article makes him seem like a nice fella, that's too bad.

Pearl farking Harbor.  I was in HI at the time it premiered on a carrier.  They brought in dozens upon dozens of survivors to watch the premier, and also visit the Arizona and other museums.  It seemed a little tough even then.  I flew out a day or two later and only later learned the kind of abortion that movie really was.  I felt sooo terrible for all of those men who were asked to revisit trauma just to be exposed to something so offensive.


It was weird reading the extensive research, preparation, and training he went through with some of the actual Rangers and Delta operators for "Black Hawk Down."

How war was brutal, ugly, and it probably the one chance to get it right to tell that story to the general public.

Then immediaty afterwards doing Pearl Harbor.
 
2020-10-25 7:11:11 AM  
I like him in Hollywood Homicide.  He seems to be poking fun at himself in the movie plus it is a fun movie.
 
2020-10-25 7:29:00 AM  
"They didn't really want a fear-based character at the centre of their movie,"

He was right about that. This is what the studio wants
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2020-10-25 7:40:16 AM  
What was the anime style movie he did with Ron Perlman, Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson?
 
2020-10-25 8:20:44 AM  

Sgt Otter: 433: I RTFA and I get what he's after.  He did have the disadvantage/benefit of appearing during the height of rom-coms and then star in subsequent films.  As written in the article, he felt that he set to be foisted upon audiences as one of the next big things.  At the same time, several other next big things were seeing screen time and it all kind of seemed like a wash, as in "who cares who you are or how you can act?"  Article makes him seem like a nice fella, that's too bad.

Pearl farking Harbor.  I was in HI at the time it premiered on a carrier.  They brought in dozens upon dozens of survivors to watch the premier, and also visit the Arizona and other museums.  It seemed a little tough even then.  I flew out a day or two later and only later learned the kind of abortion that movie really was.  I felt sooo terrible for all of those men who were asked to revisit trauma just to be exposed to something so offensive.

It was weird reading the extensive research, preparation, and training he went through with some of the actual Rangers and Delta operators for "Black Hawk Down."

How war was brutal, ugly, and it probably the one chance to get it right to tell that story to the general public.

Then immediaty afterwards doing Pearl Harbor.


Let's blame Michael Bay for that.
 
2020-10-25 8:29:28 AM  
I liked Lucky Number Slevin
 
2020-10-25 8:30:46 AM  

justaguy516: What was the anime style movie he did with Ron Perlman, Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson?


Bunraku.
 
2020-10-25 8:32:14 AM  

agent00pi: Sgt Otter: 433: I RTFA and I get what he's after.  He did have the disadvantage/benefit of appearing during the height of rom-coms and then star in subsequent films.  As written in the article, he felt that he set to be foisted upon audiences as one of the next big things.  At the same time, several other next big things were seeing screen time and it all kind of seemed like a wash, as in "who cares who you are or how you can act?"  Article makes him seem like a nice fella, that's too bad.

Pearl farking Harbor.  I was in HI at the time it premiered on a carrier.  They brought in dozens upon dozens of survivors to watch the premier, and also visit the Arizona and other museums.  It seemed a little tough even then.  I flew out a day or two later and only later learned the kind of abortion that movie really was.  I felt sooo terrible for all of those men who were asked to revisit trauma just to be exposed to something so offensive.

It was weird reading the extensive research, preparation, and training he went through with some of the actual Rangers and Delta operators for "Black Hawk Down."

How war was brutal, ugly, and it probably the one chance to get it right to tell that story to the general public.

Then immediaty afterwards doing Pearl Harbor.

Let's blame Michael Bay for that.


...Hear, hear.  Pearl Harbor was AFAIC the worst movie I ever actually paid money to see.  There were a couple of glorious visual moments, but you know you have a problematic film when the only real reaction the audience gives - and they were laughs/cheers at that - is when one of your leads keeps getting whacked in the nose.  Never held any real grudge against the actors, they were only doing what they were asked to do.  The sole responsibility for that horror show lies squarely in Mr. Bay's lap.
 
2020-10-25 8:51:18 AM  
Yeah, I remember when there was an attempt to give the nickname Josh HOTnett traction.
 
2020-10-25 9:10:43 AM  
Studios can spend a lot less money on an expressionless person to say lines as if they were reading them.  And they have.  They're doing the same thing to Channing Tatum.
 
2020-10-25 9:19:13 AM  
And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?
 
2020-10-25 9:26:25 AM  

Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?


Or Rob Schneider after Deuce Bigelow 2.
 
2020-10-25 10:09:59 AM  

Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?


Yeah he's only been in 31 films since 2000...most of them have recognizable names.  Crawl was stupid fun.

/did not know he was born in Canada
 
2020-10-25 10:20:11 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: agent00pi: Sgt Otter: 433: I RTFA and I get what he's after.  He did have the disadvantage/benefit of appearing during the height of rom-coms and then star in subsequent films.  As written in the article, he felt that he set to be foisted upon audiences as one of the next big things.  At the same time, several other next big things were seeing screen time and it all kind of seemed like a wash, as in "who cares who you are or how you can act?"  Article makes him seem like a nice fella, that's too bad.

Pearl farking Harbor.  I was in HI at the time it premiered on a carrier.  They brought in dozens upon dozens of survivors to watch the premier, and also visit the Arizona and other museums.  It seemed a little tough even then.  I flew out a day or two later and only later learned the kind of abortion that movie really was.  I felt sooo terrible for all of those men who were asked to revisit trauma just to be exposed to something so offensive.

It was weird reading the extensive research, preparation, and training he went through with some of the actual Rangers and Delta operators for "Black Hawk Down."

How war was brutal, ugly, and it probably the one chance to get it right to tell that story to the general public.

Then immediaty afterwards doing Pearl Harbor.

Let's blame Michael Bay for that.

...Hear, hear.  Pearl Harbor was AFAIC the worst movie I ever actually paid money to see.  There were a couple of glorious visual moments, but you know you have a problematic film when the only real reaction the audience gives - and they were laughs/cheers at that - is when one of your leads keeps getting whacked in the nose.  Never held any real grudge against the actors, they were only doing what they were asked to do.  The sole responsibility for that horror show lies squarely in Mr. Bay's lap.


There were some great visuals in the movie, one of my favorite movies is Tora, Tora, Tora. I will give PH credit for one aspect that wasn't covered in TTT and that is the rush on the hospitals during and after the attack.
 
2020-10-25 10:24:46 AM  

Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?


Barry Pepper was the best part of Saving Private Ryan. Once his character got killed the movie went downhill
 
2020-10-25 10:33:05 AM  

Magruda: I liked Lucky Number Sleven.


Its one of the best films this century. Amazing how few people talk about it.
 
2020-10-25 10:33:18 AM  
He was good in Penny Dreadful.  But yeah, always a B-list guy AFAIC.
 
2020-10-25 10:39:03 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: He married Tamsin Egerton. He's already won at life.

Still, Pearl Harbor sucked just a little bit more than he loves her.


team america-pearl harbor sucked
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2020-10-25 10:44:36 AM  

Warrior Kermit: Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?

Barry Pepper was the best part of Saving Private Ryan. Once his character got killed the movie went downhill


Notsureifserious.jpg, but his character gets killed in the last, like, 10 minutes.
 
2020-10-25 10:48:52 AM  

Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?


Anyone with a functioning brain stem should have realized hitching your wagon to Travolta's Scientology pet project was going to be an immediate loser.
Saying that, his career seems fairly active according to Wikipedia.
 
2020-10-25 10:54:48 AM  
I always liked him. He was definitely part of my realization process when I recognized I liked men. ;)
 
2020-10-25 10:59:11 AM  
I genuinely thought he would have made a damn good Nathan Drake
 
2020-10-25 11:19:43 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: agent00pi: Sgt Otter: 433: I RTFA and I get what he's after.  He did have the disadvantage/benefit of appearing during the height of rom-coms and then star in subsequent films.  As written in the article, he felt that he set to be foisted upon audiences as one of the next big things.  At the same time, several other next big things were seeing screen time and it all kind of seemed like a wash, as in "who cares who you are or how you can act?"  Article makes him seem like a nice fella, that's too bad.

Pearl farking Harbor.  I was in HI at the time it premiered on a carrier.  They brought in dozens upon dozens of survivors to watch the premier, and also visit the Arizona and other museums.  It seemed a little tough even then.  I flew out a day or two later and only later learned the kind of abortion that movie really was.  I felt sooo terrible for all of those men who were asked to revisit trauma just to be exposed to something so offensive.

It was weird reading the extensive research, preparation, and training he went through with some of the actual Rangers and Delta operators for "Black Hawk Down."

How war was brutal, ugly, and it probably the one chance to get it right to tell that story to the general public.

Then immediaty afterwards doing Pearl Harbor.

Let's blame Michael Bay for that.

...Hear, hear.  Pearl Harbor was AFAIC the worst movie I ever actually paid money to see.


Same.  It was sort of a compromise choice among a large group I went to see it with.  We were laughing out loud at certain parts - generally the dialogue - although the bit where Cuba Gooding mans the AA gun himself to knock out some zeros was an overacting comedy gem.

What was more funny was I got the DVD for the film from a relative as an X-mas present.

I re-watched the film last year because my 9 year old nephew is obsessed with history and war stuff and LOVES Pearl Harbor.  Let's face it - the attack on Pearl Harbor in the movie is depicted like a fight between X-wings, Tie fighters in an SW movie so what primary school boy wouldn't enjoy that part of the movie?  Anyhow, I made through 3/4 and finally I think right after the end of the Pearl Harbor attack - (for those who haven't seen the movie - there is still another hour devoted to the Dolittle Raid) and I told my nephew watch the rest yourself and I'll make lunch.  I just couldn't stand it anymore.  Bleach.
 
2020-10-25 11:43:46 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Let's face it - the attack on Pearl Harbor in the movie is depicted like a fight between X-wings, Tie fighters in an SW movie so what primary school boy wouldn't enjoy that part of the movie?


....Apparently at one point, Mr. Bay wanted Our Heroes to fly P-38 Lightnings during the dogfight sequence.  There were apparently a couple of -38s at Pearl, but the only planes that actually got off the ground that morning were P-36s and P-40s.  When this was pointed out to him, Mr. Bay is said to have replied, "But the Lightnings look sexier."

True enough - and my most sincere apologies to any Warhawk fans we have here - but it tells you where his brain was at on this film.  And do not get me started on the Doolittle Raid sequences.

/Finally saw Midway last night, and will give them a B for effort, but the acting was abysmal
 
2020-10-25 11:55:45 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?

Anyone with a functioning brain stem should have realized hitching your wagon to Travolta's Scientology pet project was going to be an immediate loser.
Saying that, his career seems fairly active according to Wikipedia.


I watched that this week.  The accent that Travota uses is intolerable and totally unnecessary. The aliens weren't English.
 
2020-10-25 11:57:02 AM  

Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?


61*, Flags of Our Fathers, True Grit, We Were Soldiers, and plenty of steady work. Relax, he's fine.
 
2020-10-25 11:59:54 AM  

Tarl3k: He was good in Penny Dreadful.  But yeah, always a B-list guy AFAIC.


Penny Dreadful, Lucky Number Slevin (better than the savage reviews it got at the time), and 30 Days of Night were all awesome (AND 30 Days gave us a wickedly creepy Ben Foster as a Renfield-type).

Black Hawk Down is a decent war movie, but the opening sequences are better than the prolonged battle, and that hurts it. Hartnett was good, though.
 
2020-10-25 12:01:46 PM  

born_yesterday: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?

Anyone with a functioning brain stem should have realized hitching your wagon to Travolta's Scientology pet project was going to be an immediate loser.
Saying that, his career seems fairly active according to Wikipedia.

I watched that this week.  The accent that Travota uses is intolerable and totally unnecessary. The aliens weren't English.


I never wanted to hear the word "leverage" ever again after that movie.
 
2020-10-25 12:03:20 PM  

ntropy2012: Penny Dreadful, Lucky Number Slevin (better than the savage reviews it got at the time), and 30 Days of Night were all awesome (AND 30 Days gave us a wickedly creepy Ben Foster as a Renfield-type).


Ben Foster makes everything he's in better. And half the time you don't know it's him.
 
2020-10-25 12:05:32 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: SirEattonHogg: Let's face it - the attack on Pearl Harbor in the movie is depicted like a fight between X-wings, Tie fighters in an SW movie so what primary school boy wouldn't enjoy that part of the movie?

....Apparently at one point, Mr. Bay wanted Our Heroes to fly P-38 Lightnings during the dogfight sequence.  There were apparently a couple of -38s at Pearl, but the only planes that actually got off the ground that morning were P-36s and P-40s.  When this was pointed out to him, Mr. Bay is said to have replied, "But the Lightnings look sexier."

True enough - and my most sincere apologies to any Warhawk fans we have here - but it tells you where his brain was at on this film.  And do not get me started on the Doolittle Raid sequences.


I wonder why he backed down on P-38s but doesn't care that one can clearly see they use modern warships for the backdrop ships in the attack on Pearl Harbor. I guess that's more of Bay thinking "meh, the audience doesn't know the difference".  They could have easily CGI'd (even back in 2001) decent enough looking ww2 structures on the modern warships.

Oh one could go on and on about that movie.
 
2020-10-25 12:11:52 PM  
He shifts uneasily when I ask whether he was surprised by the revelations about Harvey Weinstein. "There are all sorts of rumours about guys like that which permeate the business and you think, 'That's awful.' The casting couch was a thing people joked about when I was first in the industry, so it was an open secret that this business is a little bit farked up."

They all knew, and did nothing.
 
2020-10-25 12:17:09 PM  

born_yesterday: The accent that Travota uses is intolerable and totally unnecessary.


Yeah, and the voice he used in that movie was obnoxious too!
 
2020-10-25 12:37:03 PM  
I had this idea that because he lives in this world where he can't touch anything without it flying across the room, he has become almost afraid of himself and his own power.


I am so sick of these dumbasses with their "idea" for a superhero movie. These idiots are ruining super hero movies by introducing ideas at roughly a 6-year old intelligence level. No one wants to hear your hot take.
 
2020-10-25 12:41:39 PM  
His career was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2020-10-25 12:48:41 PM  

Crewmannumber6: ntropy2012: Penny Dreadful, Lucky Number Slevin (better than the savage reviews it got at the time), and 30 Days of Night were all awesome (AND 30 Days gave us a wickedly creepy Ben Foster as a Renfield-type).

Ben Foster makes everything he's in better. And half the time you don't know it's him.


That is 100% true. How Leave No Trace received no Oscar attention is criminal.
 
2020-10-25 1:20:48 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: Warrior Kermit: Fano: And what of Barry Pepper whose rising star went supernova after Battlefield Earth?

Barry Pepper was the best part of Saving Private Ryan. Once his character got killed the movie went downhill

Notsureifserious.jpg, but his character gets killed in the last, like, 10 minutes.


are you sure, it felt much earlier in the movie than just 10 minutes left
 
2020-10-25 1:52:09 PM  
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Crewmannumber6: ntropy2012: Penny Dreadful, Lucky Number Slevin (better than the savage reviews it got at the time), and 30 Days of Night were all awesome (AND 30 Days gave us a wickedly creepy Ben Foster as a Renfield-type).

Ben Foster makes everything he's in better. And half the time you don't know it's him.


Counterpoint X-MEN:The Last Stand
 
2020-10-25 2:04:49 PM  
He'll always have a soft spot in my heart for "30 Days of Night."

Usually on some weekend day in January when everything has frozen over I make a vat of chili, buy a bunch of beer and invite people over to watch 30 Days, The Thing and The Shining.  It's a solid three picks to revel in what we're having to deal with.
 
2020-10-25 2:20:16 PM  

dsmith42: . Crewmannumber6: ntropy2012: Penny Dreadful, Lucky Number Slevin (better than the savage reviews it got at the time), and 30 Days of Night were all awesome (AND 30 Days gave us a wickedly creepy Ben Foster as a Renfield-type).

Ben Foster makes everything he's in better. And half the time you don't know it's him.

Counterpoint X-MEN:The Last Stand


He did great with what he had to work with
 
2020-10-25 3:09:30 PM  
So an actor who was an A-list movie star complains 20years later about how he's not an A-list movie star today with only his ~$25million to try to survive on.  There's a small violin for that.
 
2020-10-25 3:18:41 PM  
I don't think he was ever A list.  He might have been on the cusp, but never really got there.
 
2020-10-25 4:06:23 PM  
dude is a really talented actor. If he starred in a new movie in theaters j would pay to see it.
 
2020-10-25 5:13:41 PM  
30 Days of Night
 
2020-10-25 7:18:01 PM  
Meh. Pretty face with zero on-screen charisma and presence.

I also wonder if he ever read the scripts of the movies he accepted roles in.
 
2020-10-25 9:53:05 PM  
Spent a few hours with him once, guiding him through a presser for one of his movies. Super, super nice guy, and very humble. I won't quote him because it was so long ago I don't remember his exact words, but he said something to the extent that he wasn't the type of guy that would ever feel comfortable at these things.

/Did something similar for Marilyn Manson .. also very nice/humble.
 
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