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MegaLib
2020-10-25 5:38:33 AM  
13 votes:
Covid 19 will result in the Progressives coming to power a decade ahead of when demographic changes would indicate.  President Biden will stop all fracking and oil drilling.  We will have a mandatory carbon tax and implement the smart cities initiative.   we will stop climate change
 
hissatsu [TotalFark]
2020-10-25 4:31:51 AM  
7 votes:
Yeah but...

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MaliFinn
2020-10-25 4:34:04 AM  
6 votes:
And then nobody drove anywhere all summer and emissions dropped on their own
 
Likwit
2020-10-25 9:08:46 AM  
4 votes:

Blathering Idjut: It was something when Trump bragged about reduced carbon emissions during the debate.

"My incompetence on Covid has a silver lining!"


I'll take it. I have two daughters and I'm concerned for their future. If this slight pause in global warming means my baby girls will have to murder just one less person for water or bullets as they roam the apocalyptic hellscape, it will have been worth it.
 
dryknife
2020-10-25 7:14:16 AM  
4 votes:

Alphax: The skies got so clear this last spring.. driving home in the morning, I could see so far.. but it didn't last.


About when Johnny Nash died.
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-25 5:13:17 AM  
4 votes:
Best case scenario, this pandemic leads to world-changing progress in the way that the Black Death helped to usher in the Renaissance. Worst case, we get our vaccines just in time to die in floods, wildfires, extreme weather, famine and Netflix outages.
 
Medic Zero
2020-10-25 5:47:42 AM  
2 votes:

MaliFinn: And then nobody drove anywhere all summer and emissions dropped on their own


Whew! Dodged a bullet there! Now we don't have to do anything about climate change.
 
here to help [TotalFark]
2020-10-25 4:52:15 AM  
2 votes:
COVID has done one thing well...

Expose how much money was being witheld from the people.

Now that the bottom line/hypercapitlist/neo liberal machine is at stake the purse strings semi sort of stingily open just enough to not let it entirely die at the source (the average consumer of their sh*t).

Unfortunately due to their Randian dogma their own bullsh*t is working against them via the dumbf*ck Tea Party and beyond types they worked so hard to get elected.

Sucks to be you, dicks.

Wallow in it!
 
quatchi
2020-10-25 4:48:12 AM  
2 votes:
The argument from the fossil fuel guys has always been "We can't afford to do it"

My argument has always been "We can't afford not to"
 
dailygrinds [TotalFark]
2020-10-25 1:38:00 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: Nadie_AZ: Covid is an byproduct of climate change. Whether you want to change or not, it is going to happen.

Uhm, what? COVID is a byproduct of climate change? How do you figure that? Viruses are organisms, and as such, mutate/develop new strains all the damn time, as mutation/evolution in simple organisms such as Viruses and Bacteria is extremely simple compared to change in higher organisms.

Combine that with the fact that there is a very high probability of any number of unknown strains or unique viruses/bacteria that only exist in very specific ecosystems that we'll only discover through the encroachment of humanity on these ecosystems, and you've got, under any circumstances, an extremely high probability of encountering illnesses that are new or unique.

Climate change can certainly impact the number and variation of viruses and bacteria as the change to environments will inevitably provoke new alterations in response as a natural part of survival, just the same as it has for the span of history.

That doesn't necessarily mean that Climate Change is directly responsible for this mutation/variation, though, since it's next to impossible to track back and identify the specific factors that caused it. That's really only possible with mutations that occur in a closed/controlled environment, such as the creation of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.


Blah, blah, blah. Everyone knows the China virus was made in a Chinese bio-warfare lab and deliberately unleashed on us.
 
Jeebus Saves
2020-10-25 10:27:24 AM  
1 vote:

Darfur Parkour: I really really liked hearing Biden say that we are going to phase out fossil fuels and eliminate drug abuse offenses. I thought he was in danger of compromising with the RS on everything, so farkit, he's libby enough for me!


Are you interested in the ocean front property he's selling in Minnesota too?
 
Blathering Idjut
2020-10-25 8:45:19 AM  
1 vote:
It was something when Trump bragged about reduced carbon emissions during the debate.

"My incompetence on Covid has a silver lining!"
 
Likwit
2020-10-25 7:54:54 AM  
1 vote:

2fardownthread: Likwit: Judging by the shiatshow threads that result whenever we talk about green energy or clean transport on this site, I imagine 90% of the difficulty lies in political will. Even people that do believe in global warming think we shouldn't do anything because it's too hard or they like the sound of a V8 or whatever the silly excuse is.

We need a consumer carbon tax ASAP. Like yesterday.

Impediments identified.

When the price of gasoline in the US doubles or triples in real terms, change will come really quickly. I am looking forward to seeing the Green New Deal.


Which Green New Deal? There's like 40 of them.
 
Likwit
2020-10-25 7:54:26 AM  
1 vote:

Opiate of the Lasses: Likwit: We need a consumer carbon tax ASAP. Like yesterday.

You're looking in the wrong direction, buddy.

Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says


A consumer-level carbon tax would be extremely effective. It's been shown to work in several real world trials. The biggest problem is that it's quite regressive. I've seen several papers with really cool solutions, but they'd be 100% impossible in the US.

Europe is gonna whip our asses in the next decade unless our private sector can save the day.
 
2fardownthread [TotalFark]
2020-10-25 6:03:26 AM  
1 vote:

Likwit: Judging by the shiatshow threads that result whenever we talk about green energy or clean transport on this site, I imagine 90% of the difficulty lies in political will. Even people that do believe in global warming think we shouldn't do anything because it's too hard or they like the sound of a V8 or whatever the silly excuse is.

We need a consumer carbon tax ASAP. Like yesterday.


Impediments identified.

When the price of gasoline in the US doubles or triples in real terms, change will come really quickly. I am looking forward to seeing the Green New Deal.
 
Opiate of the Lasses
2020-10-25 5:34:53 AM  
1 vote:

Likwit: We need a consumer carbon tax ASAP. Like yesterday.


You're looking in the wrong direction, buddy.

Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says
 
Flurching
2020-10-25 4:57:33 AM  
1 vote:
It's funny that the people who extol the flexibility and creativity of people then say that we can't possibly use our markets and smarts to find alternatives. Price Carbon, it's simple market forces
 
Likwit
2020-10-25 4:34:32 AM  
1 vote:
Judging by the shiatshow threads that result whenever we talk about green energy or clean transport on this site, I imagine 90% of the difficulty lies in political will. Even people that do believe in global warming think we shouldn't do anything because it's too hard or they like the sound of a V8 or whatever the silly excuse is.

We need a consumer carbon tax ASAP. Like yesterday.
 
Smoking GNU
2020-10-25 4:31:32 AM  
1 vote:
And Covid has also shown that huge portions of the population will refuse to save themselves with disease and death littering the streets, literally.
 
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