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2020-10-24 3:34:20 PM  
Because all 'Murkams only want pick-ups.
 
2020-10-24 3:42:03 PM  
They're not fat enough to need, and stupid enough to want, SUVs the size of a small bus.
 
2020-10-24 3:58:40 PM  
Subby must have never spent time inside a Volkswagen.

/the first year is ok
//usually
 
2020-10-24 4:44:26 PM  

King Something: They're not fat enough to need, and stupid enough to want, SUVs the size of a small bus.


Never been to the UK, huh?
 
2020-10-24 5:19:19 PM  
"cool"

/gag
 
2020-10-24 5:31:04 PM  
Obviously the link is wrong.

Subby if the link is correct: Ford, Nissan, and Mercedes all have similar vehicles for sale in North America.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-24 5:32:43 PM  

aerojockey: "cool"

/gag


Could be worse:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-24 5:47:30 PM  
Must have something to do with all those taxes and stricter regulations
 
2020-10-24 5:49:46 PM  

TWX: aerojockey: "cool"

/gag

Could be worse:

[Fark user image 640x420]


It looks like that design is less deadly for pedestrians. Dumb looking but a good idea.
 
2020-10-24 5:54:45 PM  

Barfmaker: TWX: aerojockey: "cool"

/gag

Could be worse:

[Fark user image 640x420]

It looks like that design is less deadly for pedestrians. Dumb looking but a good idea.


Making people run away, screaming in horror, is not exactly a good safety feature.
 
2020-10-24 6:41:32 PM  

TWX: aerojockey: "cool"

/gag

Could be worse:

[Fark user image image 640x420]


So you design the top half.

And I'll design the bottom half.

And......ah Fark it. Build it anyway
 
2020-10-24 7:01:31 PM  
Mainly because most Americans are too lazy and/or inept to learn how to drive manuals. Europe withholds the cool cars because American drivers would just ruin them with automatic transmissions. It's a true fact.
 
2020-10-24 7:07:30 PM  

Bslim: Because all 'Murkams only want pick-ups.


Man, Ford is ALL over me to buy a new Bronco, because I was bored and filled out a survey while waiting on one of the work vans. I'm not against a 2 door convertible 4WD with a stick mind, but not something I'm likely to buy new.
 
2020-10-24 7:24:02 PM  
Google "Chicken Tax"

To import anything other than passenger versions, they have to be post-import conversions. For years Ford operated a "factory" where Transit Connect vans assembled in Turkey as passenger versions had the seats and windows removed to turn them into panel vans. Doing this to a few hundred units a day made enough sense to skirt the 50% import tax.
 
2020-10-24 7:29:01 PM  

maxandgrinch: Obviously the link is wrong.

Subby if the link is correct: Ford, Nissan, and Mercedes all have similar vehicles for sale in North America.


Ford Transit Connect and Ram Promaster City are about the same size as the VW Caddy LWB. The Nissan NV200 is about to be discontinued. The Mercedes Metris is a size larger.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-24 7:40:53 PM  

Gubbo: TWX: aerojockey: "cool"

/gag

Could be worse:

[Fark user image image 640x420]

So you design the top half.

And I'll design the bottom half.

And......ah Fark it. Build it anyway


It was based on this:

upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size


and this:

Fark user imageView Full Size


And they apparently didn't want to design a new body from the sill down.
 
2020-10-24 7:42:22 PM  
upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2020-10-24 7:45:17 PM  
I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

hips.hearstapps.comView Full Size


And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-24 7:54:07 PM  

edmo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 560x353]


Yeah, the problem is they tried to make it an 'activity vehicle' that wasn't durable enough get someone to the kinds of places for those kinds of outdoor activities or to haul their gear, and was too unattractive enough to make for a general-purpose vehicle that people would like to be seen in.

If the capabilities had been better it might've sold better even looking like that.  Case in point:

Fark user imageView Full Size


The 2014 Cherokee might not have the offroad chops of the XJ-era Cherokee, but it still holds its own off pavement best in that class of inexpensive mid-sized SUV or Crossover, and sold reasonably OK despite the front end not being especially attractive.  The styling was bad enough that they did revise it for 2019 or 2020 though:

Fark user imageView Full Size


Though I like the appearance of the Trailhawk version better:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-24 7:56:30 PM  

Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.


I've driven one, we have them at work.  Problem is the top of the windshield is so high that the sun visors are basically useless.  They're massive, like two to three times the height of the normal sun visors, but they're still useless.

Additionally the high-gear-count transmission is very laggy, it takes forever, relatively speaking, to figure out what gear to shift into.  This makes left-turns across traffic much more annoying than they are on older vehicles that just drop into gear and go.
 
2020-10-24 8:09:05 PM  

TWX: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

I've driven one, we have them at work.  Problem is the top of the windshield is so high that the sun visors are basically useless.  They're massive, like two to three times the height of the normal sun visors, but they're still useless.

Additionally the high-gear-count transmission is very laggy, it takes forever, relatively speaking, to figure out what gear to shift into.  This makes left-turns across traffic much more annoying than they are on older vehicles that just drop into gear and go.


That's good to know. Also unfortunate, I was thinking hoping they'd drive like the old short-wheelbase Caravan Sport models. Those things were zippy around town and kinda fun.
 
2020-10-24 8:19:16 PM  

Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.


I drive one of these, a 2014. I'm 6'3", but I have a taller torso. I have a hard time finding cars with headroom without reclining to a 45-degree angle.  In the Transit Connect, I can sit fully upright and still have room to carry a chicken on my head.  The rear seats have airplane-style overhead bins, even.

That said, at 75,000 miles it is racking up mechanical issues. It is a very practical car, but I do wish it was a little better put together.

If you're tall, though, there is nothing on the road that can beat it for headroom. Once I started driving it, I then discovered how much I was contorting myself to fit into and see out of other cars. It is worth putting up with it for the sake of my spine.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-24 8:20:26 PM  

Bslim: TWX: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

I've driven one, we have them at work.  Problem is the top of the windshield is so high that the sun visors are basically useless.  They're massive, like two to three times the height of the normal sun visors, but they're still useless.

Additionally the high-gear-count transmission is very laggy, it takes forever, relatively speaking, to figure out what gear to shift into.  This makes left-turns across traffic much more annoying than they are on older vehicles that just drop into gear and go.

That's good to know. Also unfortunate, I was thinking hoping they'd drive like the old short-wheelbase Caravan Sport models. Those things were zippy around town and kinda fun.


The problem is you sit at car-height even with the taller roof.  The Caravan platform, even the K-car based Caravans, had the driver and passengers sitting more like they would in a small truck instead of riding just off the ground.  These Transit Connects have you down like you were in a Ford Focus, but the roof is still way up there.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-24 8:22:18 PM  

EponymousCowHerd: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

I drive one of these, a 2014. I'm 6'3", but I have a taller torso. I have a hard time finding cars with headroom without reclining to a 45-degree angle.  In the Transit Connect, I can sit fully upright and still have room to carry a chicken on my head.  The rear seats have airplane-style overhead bins, even.

That said, at 75,000 miles it is racking up mechanical issues. It is a very practical car, but I do wish it was a little better put together.

If you're tall, though, there is nothing on the road that can beat it for headroom. Once I started driving it, I then discovered how much I was contorting myself to fit into and see out of other cars. It is worth putting up with it for the sake of my spine.


I'm 6'1" and while I have found my share of cars I don't fit into especially well, the Transit Connect goes way too far the opposite for me.  That said some vehicles that I fit into for headroom still bother me with the positioning of their rearview mirrors and all of the other accessories that are not on the glass in that spot, I feel like I'm getting blind spots that I shouldn't have to contend with.
 
2020-10-24 8:29:49 PM  

TWX: EponymousCowHerd: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

I drive one of these, a 2014. I'm 6'3", but I have a taller torso. I have a hard time finding cars with headroom without reclining to a 45-degree angle.  In the Transit Connect, I can sit fully upright and still have room to carry a chicken on my head.  The rear seats have airplane-style overhead bins, even.

That said, at 75,000 miles it is racking up mechanical issues. It is a very practical car, but I do wish it was a little better put together.

If you're tall, though, there is nothing on the road that can beat it for headroom. Once I started driving it, I then discovered how much I was contorting myself to fit into and see out of other cars. It is worth putting up with it for the sake of my spine.

I'm 6'1" and while I have found my share of cars I don't fit into especially well, the Transit Connect goes way too far the opposite for me.  That said some vehicles that I fit into for headroom still bother me with the positioning of their rearview mirrors and all of the other accessories that are not on the glass in that spot, I feel like I'm getting blind spots that I shouldn't have to contend with.


Oddly enough, you can be tall in the Transit Connect, but still raise the seat to the highest position and still have headroom and visibility. The seating position isn't SUV high, but it's not Miata low either.
 
2020-10-24 9:25:46 PM  
"...the new oncoming vehicle braking when turning function..."

Bet it gets real exciting when you and the HAL9000 disagree on how big a gap you need to scoot left across two lanes into a parking lot.
 
2020-10-24 9:44:10 PM  

LoneVVolf: "...the new oncoming vehicle braking when turning function..."

Bet it gets real exciting when you and the HAL9000 disagree on how big a gap you need to scoot left across two lanes into a parking lot.


You should have seen the shiat I took on another site for questioning the point behind the new GT500. I was all "I go to the track to actually drive and have fun, not hustle some 4000 lb beast around the track while letting the computer do all the work and spending $1200 on tires a weekend".
 
2020-10-24 10:09:41 PM  
The engine lineup consists of three 2.0-liter TDI four-cylinder diesels in 75 PS (74 HP), 102 PS (100 HP) and 122 PS (120 HP) versions. VW will also offer a 1.5-liter TSI turbocharged petrol engine rated at 114 PS (112 HP), a TGI turbocharged natural gas engine delivering 130 PS (128 HP), and an eHybrid plug-in hybrid drive.

I find the natural gas engine intriguing and it is interesting that it has the highest horsepower of the many choices
 
2020-10-24 10:11:37 PM  
America just basically gave up on designing anything new and switched to filling smaller and smaller niche markets with more and more re-used and re-purposed designs.  American cars just became fugly, is all.
 
2020-10-24 10:35:16 PM  
better bands, better wars...it's a heck of a place.
 
2020-10-24 10:46:19 PM  
It looks like a more compact Ford Transit. If it makes Amazon deliveries or works for Lyft, it's a fine vehicle.
 
kab
2020-10-24 10:46:49 PM  
Here you go subby:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-24 10:49:39 PM  

TWX: edmo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 560x353]

Yeah, the problem is they tried to make it an 'activity vehicle' that wasn't durable enough get someone to the kinds of places for those kinds of outdoor activities or to haul their gear, and was too unattractive enough to make for a general-purpose vehicle that people would like to be seen in.

If the capabilities had been better it might've sold better even looking like that.  Case in point:

[Fark user image 640x480]

The 2014 Cherokee might not have the offroad chops of the XJ-era Cherokee, but it still holds its own off pavement best in that class of inexpensive mid-sized SUV or Crossover, and sold reasonably OK despite the front end not being especially attractive.  The styling was bad enough that they did revise it for 2019 or 2020 though:

[Fark user image 640x422]

Though I like the appearance of the Trailhawk version better:

[Fark user image 640x480]


Too bad they rust out stupid fast.
 
kab
2020-10-24 10:50:10 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Subby must have never spent time inside a Volkswagen.

/the first year is ok
//usually


This.  We owned a GTI for a while.   That car was in the shop enough times, for seriously expensive issues, to ensure we offloaded it as soon as the warranty expired.

Aside from the absurdly poor engineering, it was fine.
 
2020-10-24 11:48:27 PM  

TWX: edmo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 560x353]

Yeah, the problem is they tried to make it an 'activity vehicle' that wasn't durable enough get someone to the kinds of places for those kinds of outdoor activities or to haul their gear, and was too unattractive enough to make for a general-purpose vehicle that people would like to be seen in.

If the capabilities had been better it might've sold better even looking like that.  Case in point:

[Fark user image image 640x480]

The 2014 Cherokee might not have the offroad chops of the XJ-era Cherokee, but it still holds its own off pavement best in that class of inexpensive mid-sized SUV or Crossover, and sold reasonably OK despite the front end not being especially attractive.  The styling was bad enough that they did revise it for 2019 or 2020 though:

[Fark user image image 640x422]

Though I like the appearance of the Trailhawk version better:

[Fark user image image 640x480]


I had this white trailhawk with black rims. It was great.

I got a compass next, it's not as good.  Just wanted a $258/month payment on a car for awhile.

Probably bronco next.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-10-24 11:51:41 PM  

Intrepid00: TWX: edmo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 560x353]

Yeah, the problem is they tried to make it an 'activity vehicle' that wasn't durable enough get someone to the kinds of places for those kinds of outdoor activities or to haul their gear, and was too unattractive enough to make for a general-purpose vehicle that people would like to be seen in.

If the capabilities had been better it might've sold better even looking like that.  Case in point:

[Fark user image 640x480]

The 2014 Cherokee might not have the offroad chops of the XJ-era Cherokee, but it still holds its own off pavement best in that class of inexpensive mid-sized SUV or Crossover, and sold reasonably OK despite the front end not being especially attractive.  The styling was bad enough that they did revise it for 2019 or 2020 though:

[Fark user image 640x422]

Though I like the appearance of the Trailhawk version better:

[Fark user image 640x480]

Too bad they rust out stupid fast.


We have a Renegade Trailhawk, the sheet metal in places is astoundingly thin, but on the other hand we live in the desert southwest so rust isn't really much of an issue.
 
2020-10-25 2:52:35 AM  
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2020-10-25 3:26:29 AM  

TWX: aerojockey: "cool"

/gag

Could be worse:

[Fark user image image 640x420]


Some French youtuber raised €640K to create a 1000hp Multipla.

Even that much money and power won't be enough to make the Multipla cool.
 
2020-10-25 4:50:19 AM  

Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.


Looked at all those.  Bought this:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-25 5:43:54 AM  
"All engines feature standard six-speed manual transmissions..."

Ah, an anti-theft feature.  At least in the U.S..
 
2020-10-25 6:15:07 AM  

strathcona: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

Looked at all those.  Bought this:

[Fark user image image 850x1133]


Nice!
 
2020-10-25 6:26:00 AM  

Bslim: strathcona: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

Looked at all those.  Bought this:

[Fark user image image 850x1133]

Nice!


Owned a lot of Jeeps over the years and I love this thing.  Only mods so far are the tires and rims are 3rd party.  Getting it kitted out with my ham radio gear for HF/VHF/UHF comms.  Most of my overlanding gear fits nicely in the bed, and I'm looking at getting a bed rack with top mounted tent.  It's quite capable off-road even as-is.
 
2020-10-25 8:16:42 AM  

strathcona: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

Looked at all those.  Bought this:

[Fark user image 850x1133]

nice but does it have the jeep wobble of death?

 
2020-10-25 8:29:58 AM  

Knuckledragger: strathcona: Bslim: I'll be honest. I saw one of these irl

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x293]

And I must admit it looked pretty spiffy and practical. One day I might go for a test drive.

Looked at all those.  Bought this:

[Fark user image 850x1133]

nice but does it have the jeep wobble of death?


Haven't had the death wobble with the Gladiator at all yet!
 
2020-10-25 8:57:19 AM  

2wolves: "All engines feature standard six-speed manual transmissions..."

Ah, an anti-theft feature.  At least in the U.S..


It became an anti valet feature as well. I lived in a corporate apartment in downtown Detroit for awhile and valet service came with it. They had 1 of 8 valets who could drive my car. Went to a company event at a restaurant where we were encouraged to leave our cars, and the valet made my drive my own car into the valet parking.

That blew my mind because valet seems like the kind of job that should require ability to drive stick.

I now drive an electric, so no shifting.
 
2020-10-25 10:05:00 AM  

Quantumbunny: 2wolves: "All engines feature standard six-speed manual transmissions..."

Ah, an anti-theft feature.  At least in the U.S..

It became an anti valet feature as well. I lived in a corporate apartment in downtown Detroit for awhile and valet service came with it. They had 1 of 8 valets who could drive my car. Went to a company event at a restaurant where we were encouraged to leave our cars, and the valet made my drive my own car into the valet parking.

That blew my mind because valet seems like the kind of job that should require ability to drive stick.

I now drive an electric, so no shifting.


That may actually was a smart move by the valet admitting they didn't want/know how to drive it.

Not so CSB, down the road from my parents is a restaurant with valet parking (just because the lot's small, not because the place is particular nice).  A few years ago, an amputee dropped his car off.  He had his right foot removed so he had the pedals moved to the left side of the foot well.  He warned them when dropping it off but everyone was fine with it.

The valet was slowly backing up, went to hit what they thought was the brake pedal but ended up stomping on the gas.  Went straight back into the kitchen, ended up paralyzing one of the chefs from the waist down.

/Side note, thought the restaurant would have insurance for that type of thing, but no.  Supposedly the accident and blame fell squarely on the car owner.
 
2020-10-25 10:18:03 AM  

zepillin: I find the natural gas engine intriguing and it is interesting that it has the highest horsepower of the many choices


Approximate octane rating of 130. The engine can be designed with a higher compression ratio and crank up turbocharger boost without worry about detonation.
 
2020-10-25 10:36:30 AM  
Thats about as cool as a minivan full of snot and diaper bags
 
2020-10-25 11:24:10 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Subby must have never spent time inside a Volkswagen.

/the first year is ok
//usually


My dad's Volkwagen is several years old (between 10 and 20 years I think) and works fine. The biggest trouble he had with it turned out to be the fault of an incompetent mechanic without a diagnostic computer, a good mechanic with a computer found the problem was a sensor. (don't remember what kind)

/I know it's anecdotal
 
2020-10-25 11:39:26 AM  
American automotive engineers and designers are hired to build cars as cheaply as possible and to use as much of last years models as possible to keep costs down even further, and to only design newer versions of what sold well the model year previously, so they don't have to build an entirely new vehicle.
 
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