fallingcow: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.

clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

HighOnCraic: SpockYouOut: I'm waiting for the the Star Trek: liquidator brunt & lesser Jeffery Combs characters series

With special special effects, it's possible to have a show where Jeffrey Coombs plays every character.

HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.

I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!

In the books Romulus has a Civil War. None of the books are canon, and I guess neither does the Star Trek online. None of that is going to be explored I don't think. If they did, they would have done so already in Picard, but they chose not too. Picard lost me with any new Trek for awhile. That is just me though.

I've read some of the books, including the ones about the Typhon Pact.  But as you said, they're non-canon.  I've we're gonna idly speculate about continuing DS9 (based on specious rumors), why not wonder where the story would go?

/Again, my vote is for the story from the documentary.
//Sadly, Nog is unavailable.

HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.

I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!

dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of th ...

dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let ...

dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in traile ...

Ishkur: demonfaerie: They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.

The original actor for Icheb (Manu Intiraymi) apparently got a little creepy on Jeri Ryan on the set of Voyager and they did not get along. He just seems like a douche through and through.

So they weren't going to use him for Picard even if it was a torture scene (Ryan very likely requested they find someone new).