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2020-10-24 8:50:33 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Like it or not, this Trek is speaking to the current generation


Is the current generation a bunch of mindless 14 year olds?
 
2020-10-24 8:51:32 PM  

Bslim: foo monkey: I like Discovery. I like Picard. Below Decks was terrible, until the last two episodes. They really brought it home, especially the last episode.

Lower Decks started firing on all cylinders in episode 6
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and they followed thorough to the end of the season.
Solid comedy.


I just got to that episode and that b-plot was one of the worst parts of the series so far. Felt like diet Rick & Morty. Ew. I hope that's not the way it's heading overall. It's only standing apart from the other two series, so far, because I actually like the characters and it's otherwise an OK, if bland, TNG-alike crossed with The Orville (the humor's not much better but at least not jarringly lame, but so far it also has even less to say so far as theme or ideas, so call it a tie)
 
2020-10-24 8:58:31 PM  

fallingcow: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.


Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet. I also did not like how the two most interesting characters were just ignored about 4 episodes in. The two Romulans helping Picard out were so much more interesting than the other characters they set up. If they wanted to do a show about Brexit they should have done it during the Enterprise era, especially after the Xindi war.
 
2020-10-24 9:23:49 PM  
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bring him back, add him to picards merry band
 
2020-10-24 9:26:02 PM  

demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.


Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.
 
2020-10-24 9:27:35 PM  

WillofJ2: [vignette.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x589]bring him back, add him to picards merry band


Meant to add this

"Bashir: But the point is, if you lie all the time, nobody's going to believe you, even when you're telling the truth.
Garak: Are you sure that's the point, Doctor?
Bashir: Of course, what else could it be?
Garak: That you should never tell the same lie twice. "
 
2020-10-24 9:31:11 PM  
With green screen, you don't even need to build sets, making the profit margin that much wider.
 
2020-10-24 9:36:06 PM  

Bslim: foo monkey: I like Discovery. I like Picard. Below Decks was terrible, until the last two episodes. They really brought it home, especially the last episode.

Lower Decks started firing on all cylinders in episode 6
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and they followed thorough to the end of the season.
Solid comedy.


It had its moments before then.

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2020-10-24 9:38:36 PM  
Guys, it's We Got This Covered.  Their news is about as reliable for media news as a kleenex is for an umbrella during a hurricane.  The only time they ever get anything right is if they repost something that was already reported by a far more reputable source.

So, in short...

jonathan frakes telling you you're wrong for 47 seconds
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2020-10-24 9:38:49 PM  

clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.


They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The show had some really good special effects, some decent acting here and there, but it had a shiat plot and storytelling.
 
2020-10-24 9:41:04 PM  

Ishkur: thatguyoverthere70: Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.

At least Star Wars has one good show.


Yeah, it's good...a bit overrated, maybe, but still good.
 
2020-10-24 9:41:15 PM  

clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.


If Spock was lost, after years of working on reunification from the Romulan side...shouldn't he have spent some effort on his own jerk-face people?  Where were those Vulcans that gave a fig about Romulus?  Don't they have any boats to add to that flotilla?
 
2020-10-24 9:44:57 PM  

kyleaugustus: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

If Spock was lost, after years of working on reunification from the Romulan side...shouldn't he have spent some effort on his own jerk-face people?  Where were those Vulcans that gave a fig about Romulus?  Don't they have any boats to add to that flotilla?


Didn't spock go back in time and would have seemed to have died while trying to save Romulus?
 
2020-10-24 9:45:06 PM  

demonfaerie: fallingcow: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.

Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet. I also did not like how the two most interesting characters were just ignored about 4 episodes in. The two Romulans helping Picard out were so much more interesting than the other characters they set up. If they wanted to do a show about Brexit they should have done it during the Enterprise era, especially after the Xindi war.


The fact that main antagonists of Picard were a group of Romulan agents tends to undermine Picard's fighting to save the Romulans, though. The end of the season seemed to actually vindicate the people in the Federation who said "fark those guys" when Romulus got blown up.
 
2020-10-24 9:46:09 PM  
Picard was a let down. STD is very solid despite some issues. LD is tons of fun.

DS9 sucked until they ginned up the war.

Just my opinion.
 
2020-10-24 9:48:04 PM  

WillofJ2: [vignette.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x589]bring him back, add him to picards merry band


I still want a show with the EMH and Garak.  Call it Snark Trek.
 
2020-10-24 9:49:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: demonfaerie: fallingcow: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.

Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet. I also did not like how the two most interesting characters were just ignored about 4 episodes in. The two Romulans helping Picard out were so much more interesting than the other characters they set up. If they wanted to do a show about Brexit they should have done it during the Enterprise era, especially after the Xindi war.

The fact that main antagonists of Picard were a group of Romulan agents tends to undermine Picard's fighting to save the Romulans, though. The end of the season seemed to actually vindicate the people in the Federation who said "fark those guys" when Romulus got blown up.


The show couldn't figure out if the Brexit allegory was for either Romulans or synths. It should be both, but it kind of ended to a certain degree to be neither. I do not like the idea of the Federation and by extension Starfleet to go backwards in their ideology, but if they wanted them to regress they need to show the decades of regression. Not just some half ass dialogue here and there.
 
2020-10-24 9:51:26 PM  

Tannhauser: Picard was a let down. STD is very solid despite some issues. LD is tons of fun.

DS9 sucked until they ginned up the war.

Just my opinion.


DS9 did the best job in all the Trek shows at exploring the characters on the show and the alien races in and around the Federation.

I don't know that it will be topped any time soon, now that a season of streaming Trek has half as many episodes per season.  There just aren't enough episodes to waste them exploring the background of a character or race anymore.
 
2020-10-24 9:53:37 PM  
It took over 20 years to finally decide to watch DS9. Kai Winn and Dukat are turds in the punch bowl.  The show deserved a better ending.
 
2020-10-24 9:56:10 PM  
demonfaerie:

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor


THIS. THIS. A MILLION TIMES

It is what happens when people who give f*ck all about Trek start shiatting out scripts. But there they went and dropped a galaxy class turd in the middle of the Federation.
 
2020-10-24 10:13:27 PM  

demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The show had some really good special effects, some decent acting here and there, but it had a shiat plot and storytelling.


There was a graphic novel that set up events in the Prime Universe that led into the start of the reboot movie. I don't know how much of it is considered canon, especially since The Enterprise E is commanded by Data. Obvisouly that's not the case after Picard, though there was a brief mention of attempts to load Data's essence into B4 that were unsuccessful. It's a reprogrammed B4 that's in the prequel comic. So it's a bit murky in what exactly happened before Nero attacked the Kelvin in the alternate universe. Frankly, there was much more attention paid to the android revolution in Picard than to what caused the need to evacuate Romulus.
I'd think there was good story possibility there. Maybe everything involving Nero is classified and the general Public has no idea that the Romulans apparently had two top secret facilities scavenging Borg tech (I think the one that Nero goes to to upgrade the weapons and tactical systems in his giant mining ship is in an asteroid belt) Maybe the Federation has told everyone, Romulians included, that Nero and Spock were destroyed and all the Red Matter is gone as well.
So you could have it shown that Starfleet has, in the Prime Universe, defected the two massive uses of Red Matter in the Kelvin Universe-destruction of Vulcan and the giant rift at the end of the reboot. Maybe Starfleet, in the Prime Universe, is concerned over Nero showing again with more of that crap. So maybe somebody needs to go check things out, maybe somebody not exactly officially with Starfleet anymore.
 
2020-10-24 10:17:55 PM  
I just figured the Droids on Mars were intentionally limited in their program tobe nothing but working machines, and the reason they were banned is they like any computer could get a virus and be weaponized

The biggest crock was the ending of picard such a let down, who are the others, reminded me of the cliff hanger of dark matter
 
2020-10-24 10:25:08 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: Ishkur: thatguyoverthere70: Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.

At least Star Wars has one good show.

Yeah, it's good...a bit overrated, maybe, but still good.


Just like Lower Decks.
 
2020-10-24 10:27:59 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: There was a graphic novel that set up events in the Prime Universe that led into the start of the reboot movie. I don't know how much of it is considered canon


The answer is: None of it.

Only televised stuff is canon. Everything books, comics, etc... is glorified fan fiction.

This has been Paramount's rule since the 70s.
 
2020-10-24 10:32:17 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?


What I remember hearing about it was that Sisko was originally going to be leaving and joining the Prophets permanently. Brooks objected to this, as it amounted to a black father abandoning his wife and new child. The ending was changed to add the bits about Sisko only going temporarily, and promising to return, making it less an abandonment and more going on a long term mission. I wouldn't be surprised if Brooks wasn't entirely satisfied with that compromise.
 
2020-10-24 10:32:18 PM  

demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The ...


its like the people making the show didnt really watch it or like it
 
2020-10-24 10:36:00 PM  

ReaverZ: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of th ...


They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.
 
2020-10-24 10:45:52 PM  

demonfaerie: They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.


The original actor for Icheb (Manu Intiraymi) apparently got a little creepy on Jeri Ryan on the set of Voyager and they did not get along. He just seems like a douche through and through.

So they weren't going to use him for Picard even if it was a torture scene (Ryan very likely requested they find someone new).
 
2020-10-24 10:49:56 PM  

demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The show had some really good special effects, some decent acting here and there, but it had a shiat plot and storytelling.


An existential crisis where your civilization is on the edge of total collapse might change things in a hurry.

The sheer desperation to get more ships and munitions into the field to fight the dominion and a lack of manpower due to heavily losses and needs to crew new vessels could definitely make synthetic labour more appealing.
 
2020-10-24 11:32:11 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.

Yeah, he's a bit crazy now, or at least extremely artsy.

Could work.  He has spent who knows how long in non-linear time with the prophets.  That shiat could easily fark you up from the neck up.

The late, great Dwayne McDuffie once wrote that he was eating breakfast in a Hollywood area restaurant and he barely notices out of the corner of his eye a black dad with a couple of young sons at a nearby table, until the sons started getting too rowdy.

The dad says, "You will sit down! You will eat! You will neither rip, nor run."

The voice had so much authority that, as Dwayne tells it, it reached out beyond their table and ensnared him in its spell. He fearfully looked over, and sure enough, the dad was none other than Avery Brooks. There was so much sheer authority in his voice that Dwayne was afraid to get up and leave afterwards.

"I'm still in the restaurant," he closed.
 
2020-10-24 11:33:17 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.


I don't think he's crazy. I think he's sick of being associated with Trek. I wouldn't blame him for phoning in Sisko just to get money to purchase a new piano.
 
2020-10-24 11:39:48 PM  
The article's claim that there could potentially be a full revival of DS9 may be the saddest thing I've ever read.

I mean, bringing back individual actors for things is normal enough, but bringing back the entire show would mean that almost literally every actor involved had their career die outright or crumble into such a terrible dry spell that the entire cast is available for hire. In a show where even narrowly defined the "main cast" was like thirty people.

// It's probably just him, and probably for a guest spot on picard or something.
 
2020-10-24 11:51:50 PM  

Ishkur: demonfaerie: They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.

The original actor for Icheb (Manu Intiraymi) apparently got a little creepy on Jeri Ryan on the set of Voyager and they did not get along. He just seems like a douche through and through.

So they weren't going to use him for Picard even if it was a torture scene (Ryan very likely requested they find someone new).


I hung out with Manu after we met through mutual friends at a convention, and he's a miserable human being who can't hold his liquor. Complete garbage person.
 
2020-10-25 12:07:54 AM  

Ishkur: demonfaerie: They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.

The original actor for Icheb (Manu Intiraymi) apparently got a little creepy on Jeri Ryan on the set of Voyager and they did not get along. He just seems like a douche through and through.

So they weren't going to use him for Picard even if it was a torture scene (Ryan very likely requested they find someone new).


Yeah the guy is a douche, but the character he played was interesting. I didn't like how he was killed off. 7of9 mercy killing him like that was all kinds of farked up. With all the medical technology advancements, should could have gotten him help even with the borgs parts removed. They could have killed that character off way better. It was almost Tasha Yar levels bad.
 
2020-10-25 12:12:24 AM  
Of all the characters on DS9, Sisko is the one I would least like to see follow up series for.

I think leaving Sisko having defeated the Dominion and united with the Prophets is the right place for him to be left.

Of all the characters, the one I think would make the best series this far removed from DS9 is Nog, but I doubt that's I'll happen now. And while a great idea in 2000, I think the time is long passed for a Bashir Section 31 series.

I think if I had to do a DS9 spinoff, my first instinct would be featuring the next Dax host, perhaps leading a new Federation settlement in the Gamma Quadrant, keeping it as a fixed base with secondary characters coming and going like DS9. I would give Kira a significant role as the senior officer in charge of Starfleet in the Gamma Quadrant.
 
2020-10-25 12:13:11 AM  

dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of th ...


I don't know how the Federation could collapse like that so fast even after the war. There are hundreds of planets in the Federation. Not to mention towards the end of DS9, Bajor was going to be a part of the Federation. A Star Trek show dealing with the aftermath of the war would be way more interesting. Probably won't happen now thanks to Picard. I would like to see Cardassia getting help from the Federation, and becoming a member.

I still can't picture the Federation making a bunch of androids for labor even with the war. Considering Data died to save Picard, and in Voyager it is hinted heavily that holograms were going to possibly fight back from their slave labor. It would make more sense to just make farking robots.
 
2020-10-25 12:13:32 AM  

demonfaerie: Yeah the guy is a douche, but the character he played was interesting. I didn't like how he was killed off. 7of9 mercy killing him like that was all kinds of farked up. With all the medical technology advancements, should could have gotten him help even with the borgs parts removed.


I agree it was a dumb plot point too. Geordie was born without eyes, you're telling me this dude can't get ocular implants?

Picard in general is just a dumb story with drumb characters doing dumb things for dumb reasons (or maybe cuz the writer took psych 101 and needed each of them to have a traumatic backstory) and insulting your intelligence.
 
2020-10-25 12:19:48 AM  

Ishkur: demonfaerie: Yeah the guy is a douche, but the character he played was interesting. I didn't like how he was killed off. 7of9 mercy killing him like that was all kinds of farked up. With all the medical technology advancements, should could have gotten him help even with the borgs parts removed.

I agree it was a dumb plot point too. Geordie was born without eyes, you're telling me this dude can't get ocular implants?

Picard in general is just a dumb story with drumb characters doing dumb things for dumb reasons (or maybe cuz the writer took psych 101 and needed each of them to have a traumatic backstory) and insulting your intelligence.


7of9 got an ocular implant after she was removed from the Borg. He could have gotten one too. Plus Icheb was not a part of the Borg for very long, so he was able to remove parts of his implants to give to her. That was an entire episode in Voyager about it. He could have lived without his Borg parts based what happened in Voyager. It seems like medical holograms are a thing in new ships, so she should have one on standby. You want to kill him off, ok fine, but do it where it makes sense. I still don't get how or why the neutral zone went away. I can't picture the Federation, the Romulan Star Empire, and the Klingon Empire to allow basically vigilantes to protect those areas.
 
2020-10-25 12:20:06 AM  

dywed88: Of all the characters, the one I think would make the best series this far removed from DS9 is Nog,


If you watched What We Left Behind, they got the original writers together for a fun brainstorm session to see what a hypothetical Season 8 opener would be like.

It starts off with Captain Nog racing back furiously through the wormhole, his ship falling apart and his crew dead, pursued by an unknown assailant as he desperately tries to relay a distressing message to the Federation....
 
2020-10-25 12:27:53 AM  

Gubbo: Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?


Well for what it's worth - and I don't know how legit/reliable these websites are - but

https://startrekguide.com/
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/; and
https://www.newsbreak.com/

are all reporting the same story.
 
2020-10-25 12:29:03 AM  

demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of th ...

I don't know how the Federation could collapse like that so fast even after the war. There are hundreds of planets in the Federation. Not to mention towards the end of DS9, Bajor was going to be a part of the Federation. A Star Trek show dealing with the aftermath of the war would be way more interesting. Probably won't happen now thanks to Picard. I would like to see Cardassia getting help from the Federation, and becoming a member.

I still can't picture the Federation making a bunch of androids for labor even with the war. Considering Data died to save Picard, and in Voyager it is hinted heavily that holograms were going to possibly fight back from their slave labor. It would make more sense to just make farking robots.


No, I mean when they were on the edge of total collapse during the war. That can change people's views on some shiat pretty quickly.
 
2020-10-25 12:33:59 AM  

dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in traile ...


I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.
 
2020-10-25 12:48:44 AM  
Picard made me wish so fervently that Andreas Katsulas was still alive. The whole thing needed Tomalok.
 
2020-10-25 1:03:22 AM  

browneye: Gubbo: Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?

Well for what it's worth - and I don't know how legit/reliable these websites are - but

https://startrekguide.com/
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/; and
https://www.newsbreak.com/

are all reporting the same story.


A bunch of no name crapsites playing the telephone game among each other.


If any of these rumors were true, CBS themselves would be the ones doing the leaking to real websites you've actually heard of.
 
2020-10-25 1:22:18 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?


I think Benjamin reuniting with Jake, Kassidy, and the baby - maybe the prophets want to take the child because it's a prophet too - or the pa-wraiths want to destroy/turn it? It's not enough to sustain a major show, but for a miniseries that would allow to tell a good Black family story in the 24th century. I'm not sure if the man who played Benjamin's father is still alive, but if he is, it would be wonderful to see the Sisko men together to protect this child. Since the series ended, I've been wondering what happened to The Sisko. I'd also love to peek in on Cardassia 20 years after the Dominion and see how things have changed - maybe they need to go to Cardassia to reclaim a stolen orb or something? I dunno, I love Benjamin, and I would be thrilled to see him back for a bit.
 
2020-10-25 1:22:23 AM  

Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.


Na Avery is just trolling the audience and mostly Shatner; the song he's playing is I wish I knew. It's a masterclass in farking with people.

What we left behind is on Amazon prime it's a really good look into production even though he doesn't directly sit down for it
 
2020-10-25 1:36:19 AM  

JerkStore: I'm working my way through DS9 for the first time right now and I've been a fan of Avery Brooks for many years (probably since he was Hawk on Spenser for Hire when I was a kid). DS9 seemed to really take off when he stopped playing nerdy Starfleet guy and went back to being is usual badass self--shaved head and goatee. Hell, I was surprised he didn't have a big, chrome phaser. He is a super chill hardass in whatever role he takes.

That said, can also be a terrifically hammy over-actor. I get that it probably comes from working on the stage most of his life, but man, some of his soliloquies are so stilted and awkward to listen to. Whenever he has more than four sentences or a speech to rally the troops, it sounds so clumsy. That always knocks me out of the moment and breaks the fourth wall without intentionally doing it.

Love Avery Brooks. Enjoy the Sisko character. But I'm not sure he was so amazing that we need more. This feels more like a junior exec at CBS said, "Hey, if they can do "Picard" with old man Picard, let's do "Sisko" with old man Sisko!" and nobody told him it was a bad idea.


TNG and DS9 followed the Grow the Beard trope. In a nutshell, when a character grows a beard the show is mature and good.
 
2020-10-25 1:38:16 AM  
Wine Sipping Elitist:

Correction: they didn't follow the trope, they *created* the growing the beard trope.
 
2020-10-25 1:55:07 AM  

HighOnCraic: AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?

I like the rough draft they did in "What We Left Behind."

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2020-10-25 2:37:03 AM  

demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live ...


A large portion of the federation was occupied, the bulk of the Federation, Romulan, and Klingon battlefleets had been wiped out by a weapon they had no defense against. The dominion was positioned where they could threaten earth.
 
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