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2020-10-24 1:49:25 PM  
I know some old school trekkies like me tend to hate all things new, but we are living in a real Star Trek golden age right now. Three shows and, counting Sisko, at least three more in development? That's pretty amazing.
 
2020-10-24 1:53:54 PM  
I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.
 
2020-10-24 2:09:28 PM  
Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.
 
2020-10-24 2:09:44 PM  
I am pretty sure Avery Brooks is done forever with Star Trek. He has been (happily by all accounts) a tenured theater professor at Rutgers for a very long time.
 
2020-10-24 2:09:44 PM  
Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?
 
2020-10-24 2:11:17 PM  

Gubbo: Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?


Seems like it.. I see their crap on YouTube a lot, and just keep on scrolling.
 
2020-10-24 2:33:56 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: we are living in a real Star Trek golden age right now.


By this logic we are also living in a Star Wars golden age right now.

More != better.
 
2020-10-24 3:01:54 PM  
I don't see that happening at all.
 
2020-10-24 3:20:20 PM  

Ishkur: thatguyoverthere70: we are living in a real Star Trek golden age right now.

By this logic we are also living in a Star Wars golden age right now.

More != better.


Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.

There were fans of TOS that didn't like TNG, TNG fans that didn't like DS9, ect. all the way down the line. I'm not a fan of the current shows (haven't seen Lower Decks yet), but it doesn't stop me from acknowledging that the franchise is offering new content like never before. For a fan of a franchise, getting a lot of new content means that the franchise is both popular and successful. Usually that's considered a positive thing, but not for old school trekkies like ourselves who despise anything new and came right out of the gate hating Discovery just because it's on a paid streaming service. Do you remember the days when there were no Star Trek shows on the air and the film franchise was stalled out completely and the whole franchise it looked like it was totally out of gas? For a trekkie back then, the thought of having three successful Star Trek shows on at the same time would have been almost unimaginable.

Like it or not, this Trek is speaking to the current generation like the other series did to their generations. Audiences are enjoying the shows and the producers are making money. But that won't stop old, crabby trekkies like me and you from complaining that since current Star Trek isn't exactly how we picture it in our minds, it's all now complete garbage.
 
2020-10-24 4:10:01 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Ishkur: thatguyoverthere70: we are living in a real Star Trek golden age right now.

By this logic we are also living in a Star Wars golden age right now.

More != better.

Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.

There were fans of TOS that didn't like TNG, TNG fans that didn't like DS9, ect. all the way down the line. I'm not a fan of the current shows (haven't seen Lower Decks yet), but it doesn't stop me from acknowledging that the franchise is offering new content like never before. For a fan of a franchise, getting a lot of new content means that the franchise is both popular and successful. Usually that's considered a positive thing, but not for old school trekkies like ourselves who despise anything new and came right out of the gate hating Discovery just because it's on a paid streaming service. Do you remember the days when there were no Star Trek shows on the air and the film franchise was stalled out completely and the whole franchise it looked like it was totally out of gas? For a trekkie back then, the thought of having three successful Star Trek shows on at the same time would have been almost unimaginable.

Like it or not, this Trek is speaking to the current generation like the other series did to their generations. Audiences are enjoying the shows and the producers are making money. But that won't stop old, crabby trekkies like me and you from complaining that since current Star Trek isn't exactly how we picture it in our minds, it's all now complete garbage.


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2020-10-24 4:10:18 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.


Subby here. I wasn't sure how to include in the headline that Avery Brooks for the last 15 years or so hasn't exactly been a model of sanity, so I didn't try.

Actually I'm really surprised that CBS has gotten as far as the negotiating stage with Avery Brooks. Hopefully it means that he's become saner in his older age. We'll see.
 
2020-10-24 5:08:16 PM  

Gubbo: Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?


Yep.

Alt-right, comicsgater fake news farms.
 
2020-10-24 5:22:39 PM  
Bullsh*t.
 
2020-10-24 5:30:45 PM  
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'bout time
 
2020-10-24 5:39:59 PM  
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2020-10-24 6:06:59 PM  
Wemakeallthisshiatup.com
 
2020-10-24 6:07:08 PM  
This was BS last week and it still is this week.
 
2020-10-24 6:09:14 PM  

Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.


True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.
 
2020-10-24 6:11:45 PM  

swahnhennessy: This was BS last week and it still is this week.


This is not a repeat comment from the Politics Tab.
 
2020-10-24 6:12:41 PM  

Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.


Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?
 
2020-10-24 6:14:03 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: I know some old school trekkies like me tend to hate all things new, but we are living in a real Star Trek golden age right now. Three shows and, counting Sisko, at least three more in development? That's pretty amazing.



Quantity is not quality.
 
2020-10-24 6:20:55 PM  
I'm working my way through DS9 for the first time right now and I've been a fan of Avery Brooks for many years (probably since he was Hawk on Spenser for Hire when I was a kid). DS9 seemed to really take off when he stopped playing nerdy Starfleet guy and went back to being is usual badass self--shaved head and goatee. Hell, I was surprised he didn't have a big, chrome phaser. He is a super chill hardass in whatever role he takes.

That said, can also be a terrifically hammy over-actor. I get that it probably comes from working on the stage most of his life, but man, some of his soliloquies are so stilted and awkward to listen to. Whenever he has more than four sentences or a speech to rally the troops, it sounds so clumsy. That always knocks me out of the moment and breaks the fourth wall without intentionally doing it.

Love Avery Brooks. Enjoy the Sisko character. But I'm not sure he was so amazing that we need more. This feels more like a junior exec at CBS said, "Hey, if they can do "Picard" with old man Picard, let's do "Sisko" with old man Sisko!" and nobody told him it was a bad idea.
 
2020-10-24 6:22:11 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?


I like the rough draft they did in "What We Left Behind."

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/W​hat_We_Left_Behind
 
2020-10-24 6:35:02 PM  
Not if it's going to be set in the same bizarro Picard timeline.
Just as, just leave it alone, or, better yet, set him up on Lower Decks as a recurring character.
 
2020-10-24 6:40:08 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Ishkur: thatguyoverthere70: we are living in a real Star Trek golden age right now.

By this logic we are also living in a Star Wars golden age right now.

More != better.

Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.

There were fans of TOS that didn't like TNG, TNG fans that didn't like DS9, ect. all the way down the line. I'm not a fan of the current shows (haven't seen Lower Decks yet), but it doesn't stop me from acknowledging that the franchise is offering new content like never before. For a fan of a franchise, getting a lot of new content means that the franchise is both popular and successful. Usually that's considered a positive thing, but not for old school trekkies like ourselves who despise anything new and came right out of the gate hating Discovery just because it's on a paid streaming service. Do you remember the days when there were no Star Trek shows on the air and the film franchise was stalled out completely and the whole franchise it looked like it was totally out of gas? For a trekkie back then, the thought of having three successful Star Trek shows on at the same time would have been almost unimaginable.

Like it or not, this Trek is speaking to the current generation like the other series did to their generations. Audiences are enjoying the shows and the producers are making money. But that won't stop old, crabby trekkies like me and you from complaining that since current Star Trek isn't exactly how we picture it in our minds, it's all now complete garbage.


That's a lot of words to say you like any garbage as long as they slap a Star Trek logo on it. I bet JJ and his merry band of scumbags just loooooves you.
 
2020-10-24 6:46:50 PM  
thatguyoverthere70:

My problem's mostly that they're bad, not that they're different. I can imagine versions of Picard and Disco that would be good without being more like earlier trek. Mostly they'd just have to not have awful writing.

/ I finally tried Lower Decks and it's... OK, actually.
// trailer coulda fooled me, it was terrible.
/// it's not funny, which I think it's trying to be, and it's not great, but it is a better show than the other two.
 
2020-10-24 7:10:54 PM  

Gubbo: Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?


Yes, and fark Fark for continuing to give them traffic.
 
2020-10-24 7:13:36 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?


but execs are focused on "execs believe they can convince him to return by making sure the spinoff focuses on themes of racial injustice and equality." They could make it about a father learning to be part of his son's life again in a very changed world (a prison allegory).
 
2020-10-24 7:16:16 PM  
The whole thing reads like pre-broadband messagebaord trolling. Something's just a little... OFF.

However, if true, I will watch the hell out of it.
 
2020-10-24 7:17:14 PM  

Billy Liar: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

'bout time


You haven't lived until you've heard Sisko and Vic Fontaine duet on The Thong Song.
 
2020-10-24 7:19:31 PM  
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2020-10-24 7:21:06 PM  

fallingcow: My problem's mostly that they're bad, not that they're different.


So far in each show, none of them have had a consistent idea of what the show is about or tone. Then Disco and Picard recycled them same rise of the machine plot, though with different twists. I have no clue what they were thinking in Lower Decks.

Disco S2 was way more watchable and it looks like S2 of Lower Decks may go the same way, by rewriting the personalities of their main characters.

It looks like the new shows were made by casual watchers of Trek. Versus The Mandalorian was made by fans, who made something new in the SW world.
 
2020-10-24 7:22:01 PM  
I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.
 
2020-10-24 7:22:22 PM  

magneticmushroom: The whole thing reads like pre-broadband messagebaord trolling. Something's just a little... OFF.

However, if true, I will watch the hell out of it.


I haven't clicked the link since I won't give that bullshiat site any traffic, but dollars to donuts every single link on TFA's page goes right back to their own site.  They NEVER cite any reputable sources.
 
2020-10-24 7:23:34 PM  

ReaverZ: fallingcow: My problem's mostly that they're bad, not that they're different.

So far in each show, none of them have had a consistent idea of what the show is about or tone. Then Disco and Picard recycled them same rise of the machine plot, though with different twists. I have no clue what they were thinking in Lower Decks.

Disco S2 was way more watchable and it looks like S2 of Lower Decks may go the same way, by rewriting the personalities of their main characters.

It looks like the new shows were made by casual watchers of Trek. Versus The Mandalorian was made by fans, who made something new in the SW world.


I'm shocked NuTrek doesn't have a Baby Spawk yet, since Star Wars got so much play off of an alien baby with big pointy ears.
 
2020-10-24 7:24:34 PM  
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"...they can convince him to return by making sure the spinoff focuses on themes of racial injustice and equality..."
 
2020-10-24 7:27:28 PM  

demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.


Give like the first three episodes of season 2 a try. If you don't like what they are doing you can skip. Or try S3, so far it has started well.

/ Disco and Picard have good actors, they need to go back to making the shows more ensembles and give more time to the other actors.
 
2020-10-24 7:34:02 PM  

demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.


The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.
 
2020-10-24 7:36:34 PM  

ReaverZ: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

Give like the first three episodes of season 2 a try. If you don't like what they are doing you can skip. Or try S3, so far it has started well.

/ Disco and Picard have good actors, they need to go back to making the shows more ensembles and give more time to the other actors.


They also need to get rid of that greyish/blueish filter or lighting that's saturating everything on those goddamn shows. It's like watching in BSG DepressoScope. The look is not Star Trek.
You know what looks like real Trek? Lower Decks. A f*cking cartoon.
 
2020-10-24 7:37:31 PM  
fallingcow:

The best part overall is Pike in S2


Amen
 
2020-10-24 7:37:32 PM  
fallingcow:

I can imagine versions of Picard and Disco that would be good without being more like earlier trek.


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/couldn't help myself
 
2020-10-24 7:39:37 PM  

magneticmushroom: The whole thing reads like pre-broadband messagebaord trolling. Something's just a little... OFF.


Because it's a bullshiat site that either just makes stuff up for clicks - they literally just make things up to get clickable headlines - or their "sources" are fringe Youtubers with 17 views per video, i.e. nobodies with as much credibility as the average Farker.

It's a garbage fake news site widely known to be a garbage fake news site, and I can only guess that the only reason they still keep showing up on Fark is that their headlines generate a lot of comment traffic or someone on staff has a connection there.

They should have been blacklisted ages ago.
 
2020-10-24 8:14:05 PM  

browneye: Subby here. I wasn't sure how to include in the headline that Avery Brooks for the last 15 years or so hasn't exactly been a model of sanity, so I didn't try.


Only four years until he leads the San Francisco riots.  I'd expect him to be a little bit on edge.
 
2020-10-24 8:16:41 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.


Yeah, he's a bit crazy now, or at least extremely artsy.

Could work.  He has spent who knows how long in non-linear time with the prophets.  That shiat could easily fark you up from the neck up.
 
2020-10-24 8:24:16 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Yeah, he's a bit crazy

now, or at least extremely artsy.

I think he has always been, the calm cool guy is a character he plays.

/ also as you get older and have enough money from your chosen career you can relax and enjoy life more.
// look at stewart
 
2020-10-24 8:29:24 PM  
Wasn't this whole story originally that they were talking about Sisco having some role in season 2 of Picard?
 
2020-10-24 8:33:20 PM  
I like Discovery. I like Picard. Below Decks was terrible, until the last two episodes. They really brought it home, especially the last episode.
 
2020-10-24 8:41:46 PM  

foo monkey: I like Discovery. I like Picard. Below Decks was terrible, until the last two episodes. They really brought it home, especially the last episode.


Lower Decks started firing on all cylinders in episode 6
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and they followed thorough to the end of the season.
Solid comedy.
 
2020-10-24 8:47:35 PM  
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2020-10-24 8:49:41 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.


At least Star Wars has one good show.
 
2020-10-24 8:50:33 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Like it or not, this Trek is speaking to the current generation


Is the current generation a bunch of mindless 14 year olds?
 
2020-10-24 8:51:32 PM  

Bslim: foo monkey: I like Discovery. I like Picard. Below Decks was terrible, until the last two episodes. They really brought it home, especially the last episode.

Lower Decks started firing on all cylinders in episode 6
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and they followed thorough to the end of the season.
Solid comedy.


I just got to that episode and that b-plot was one of the worst parts of the series so far. Felt like diet Rick & Morty. Ew. I hope that's not the way it's heading overall. It's only standing apart from the other two series, so far, because I actually like the characters and it's otherwise an OK, if bland, TNG-alike crossed with The Orville (the humor's not much better but at least not jarringly lame, but so far it also has even less to say so far as theme or ideas, so call it a tie)
 
2020-10-24 8:58:31 PM  

fallingcow: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.


Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet. I also did not like how the two most interesting characters were just ignored about 4 episodes in. The two Romulans helping Picard out were so much more interesting than the other characters they set up. If they wanted to do a show about Brexit they should have done it during the Enterprise era, especially after the Xindi war.
 
2020-10-24 9:23:49 PM  
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bring him back, add him to picards merry band
 
2020-10-24 9:26:02 PM  

demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.


Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.
 
2020-10-24 9:27:35 PM  

WillofJ2: [vignette.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x589]bring him back, add him to picards merry band


Meant to add this

"Bashir: But the point is, if you lie all the time, nobody's going to believe you, even when you're telling the truth.
Garak: Are you sure that's the point, Doctor?
Bashir: Of course, what else could it be?
Garak: That you should never tell the same lie twice. "
 
2020-10-24 9:31:11 PM  
With green screen, you don't even need to build sets, making the profit margin that much wider.
 
2020-10-24 9:36:06 PM  

Bslim: foo monkey: I like Discovery. I like Picard. Below Decks was terrible, until the last two episodes. They really brought it home, especially the last episode.

Lower Decks started firing on all cylinders in episode 6
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and they followed thorough to the end of the season.
Solid comedy.


It had its moments before then.

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2020-10-24 9:38:36 PM  
Guys, it's We Got This Covered.  Their news is about as reliable for media news as a kleenex is for an umbrella during a hurricane.  The only time they ever get anything right is if they repost something that was already reported by a far more reputable source.

So, in short...

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2020-10-24 9:38:49 PM  

clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.


They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The show had some really good special effects, some decent acting here and there, but it had a shiat plot and storytelling.
 
2020-10-24 9:41:04 PM  

Ishkur: thatguyoverthere70: Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.

At least Star Wars has one good show.


Yeah, it's good...a bit overrated, maybe, but still good.
 
2020-10-24 9:41:15 PM  

clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.


If Spock was lost, after years of working on reunification from the Romulan side...shouldn't he have spent some effort on his own jerk-face people?  Where were those Vulcans that gave a fig about Romulus?  Don't they have any boats to add to that flotilla?
 
2020-10-24 9:44:57 PM  

kyleaugustus: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

If Spock was lost, after years of working on reunification from the Romulan side...shouldn't he have spent some effort on his own jerk-face people?  Where were those Vulcans that gave a fig about Romulus?  Don't they have any boats to add to that flotilla?


Didn't spock go back in time and would have seemed to have died while trying to save Romulus?
 
2020-10-24 9:45:06 PM  

demonfaerie: fallingcow: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.

Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet. I also did not like how the two most interesting characters were just ignored about 4 episodes in. The two Romulans helping Picard out were so much more interesting than the other characters they set up. If they wanted to do a show about Brexit they should have done it during the Enterprise era, especially after the Xindi war.


The fact that main antagonists of Picard were a group of Romulan agents tends to undermine Picard's fighting to save the Romulans, though. The end of the season seemed to actually vindicate the people in the Federation who said "fark those guys" when Romulus got blown up.
 
2020-10-24 9:46:09 PM  
Picard was a let down. STD is very solid despite some issues. LD is tons of fun.

DS9 sucked until they ginned up the war.

Just my opinion.
 
2020-10-24 9:48:04 PM  

WillofJ2: [vignette.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x589]bring him back, add him to picards merry band


I still want a show with the EMH and Garak.  Call it Snark Trek.
 
2020-10-24 9:49:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: demonfaerie: fallingcow: demonfaerie: I don't trust CBS with anymore Trek stuff. Picard was so god damn disappointing. I haven't watched Discovery, so I have no opinion on it.

The bright spots in the two seasons probably aren't worth watching the whole thing. The best part overall is Pike in S2, which is weird because bringing him in and then some of the things they do with him all seem like terrible ideas, but somehow end up being good. They suffer from weak central plots (S1's is way too thin for that many episodes, and 2's is just crap, though it starts a bit promising) much like Picard, and like Picard have some real "am I supposed to care whether these characters succeed?" issues.

People variously like some of the side characters but it doesn't carry the show.

/ I want Picard S2 to just be adventures in the lawless border territories of a fading Federation.
// the setting is good; almost everything else is bad.

Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet. I also did not like how the two most interesting characters were just ignored about 4 episodes in. The two Romulans helping Picard out were so much more interesting than the other characters they set up. If they wanted to do a show about Brexit they should have done it during the Enterprise era, especially after the Xindi war.

The fact that main antagonists of Picard were a group of Romulan agents tends to undermine Picard's fighting to save the Romulans, though. The end of the season seemed to actually vindicate the people in the Federation who said "fark those guys" when Romulus got blown up.


The show couldn't figure out if the Brexit allegory was for either Romulans or synths. It should be both, but it kind of ended to a certain degree to be neither. I do not like the idea of the Federation and by extension Starfleet to go backwards in their ideology, but if they wanted them to regress they need to show the decades of regression. Not just some half ass dialogue here and there.
 
2020-10-24 9:51:26 PM  

Tannhauser: Picard was a let down. STD is very solid despite some issues. LD is tons of fun.

DS9 sucked until they ginned up the war.

Just my opinion.


DS9 did the best job in all the Trek shows at exploring the characters on the show and the alien races in and around the Federation.

I don't know that it will be topped any time soon, now that a season of streaming Trek has half as many episodes per season.  There just aren't enough episodes to waste them exploring the background of a character or race anymore.
 
2020-10-24 9:53:37 PM  
It took over 20 years to finally decide to watch DS9. Kai Winn and Dukat are turds in the punch bowl.  The show deserved a better ending.
 
2020-10-24 9:56:10 PM  
demonfaerie:

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor


THIS. THIS. A MILLION TIMES

It is what happens when people who give f*ck all about Trek start shiatting out scripts. But there they went and dropped a galaxy class turd in the middle of the Federation.
 
2020-10-24 10:13:27 PM  

demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The show had some really good special effects, some decent acting here and there, but it had a shiat plot and storytelling.


There was a graphic novel that set up events in the Prime Universe that led into the start of the reboot movie. I don't know how much of it is considered canon, especially since The Enterprise E is commanded by Data. Obvisouly that's not the case after Picard, though there was a brief mention of attempts to load Data's essence into B4 that were unsuccessful. It's a reprogrammed B4 that's in the prequel comic. So it's a bit murky in what exactly happened before Nero attacked the Kelvin in the alternate universe. Frankly, there was much more attention paid to the android revolution in Picard than to what caused the need to evacuate Romulus.
I'd think there was good story possibility there. Maybe everything involving Nero is classified and the general Public has no idea that the Romulans apparently had two top secret facilities scavenging Borg tech (I think the one that Nero goes to to upgrade the weapons and tactical systems in his giant mining ship is in an asteroid belt) Maybe the Federation has told everyone, Romulians included, that Nero and Spock were destroyed and all the Red Matter is gone as well.
So you could have it shown that Starfleet has, in the Prime Universe, defected the two massive uses of Red Matter in the Kelvin Universe-destruction of Vulcan and the giant rift at the end of the reboot. Maybe Starfleet, in the Prime Universe, is concerned over Nero showing again with more of that crap. So maybe somebody needs to go check things out, maybe somebody not exactly officially with Starfleet anymore.
 
2020-10-24 10:17:55 PM  
I just figured the Droids on Mars were intentionally limited in their program tobe nothing but working machines, and the reason they were banned is they like any computer could get a virus and be weaponized

The biggest crock was the ending of picard such a let down, who are the others, reminded me of the cliff hanger of dark matter
 
2020-10-24 10:25:08 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: Ishkur: thatguyoverthere70: Who knows? Fans of Star Wars might actually be enjoying the Mandalorian and might be happy to have quality Star Wars content instead of nothing at all.

At least Star Wars has one good show.

Yeah, it's good...a bit overrated, maybe, but still good.


Just like Lower Decks.
 
2020-10-24 10:27:59 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: There was a graphic novel that set up events in the Prime Universe that led into the start of the reboot movie. I don't know how much of it is considered canon


The answer is: None of it.

Only televised stuff is canon. Everything books, comics, etc... is glorified fan fiction.

This has been Paramount's rule since the 70s.
 
2020-10-24 10:32:17 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?


What I remember hearing about it was that Sisko was originally going to be leaving and joining the Prophets permanently. Brooks objected to this, as it amounted to a black father abandoning his wife and new child. The ending was changed to add the bits about Sisko only going temporarily, and promising to return, making it less an abandonment and more going on a long term mission. I wouldn't be surprised if Brooks wasn't entirely satisfied with that compromise.
 
2020-10-24 10:32:18 PM  

demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The ...


its like the people making the show didnt really watch it or like it
 
2020-10-24 10:36:00 PM  

ReaverZ: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of th ...


They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.
 
2020-10-24 10:45:52 PM  

demonfaerie: They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.


The original actor for Icheb (Manu Intiraymi) apparently got a little creepy on Jeri Ryan on the set of Voyager and they did not get along. He just seems like a douche through and through.

So they weren't going to use him for Picard even if it was a torture scene (Ryan very likely requested they find someone new).
 
2020-10-24 10:49:56 PM  

demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of the desert. The show had some really good special effects, some decent acting here and there, but it had a shiat plot and storytelling.


An existential crisis where your civilization is on the edge of total collapse might change things in a hurry.

The sheer desperation to get more ships and munitions into the field to fight the dominion and a lack of manpower due to heavily losses and needs to crew new vessels could definitely make synthetic labour more appealing.
 
2020-10-24 11:32:11 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.

Yeah, he's a bit crazy now, or at least extremely artsy.

Could work.  He has spent who knows how long in non-linear time with the prophets.  That shiat could easily fark you up from the neck up.

The late, great Dwayne McDuffie once wrote that he was eating breakfast in a Hollywood area restaurant and he barely notices out of the corner of his eye a black dad with a couple of young sons at a nearby table, until the sons started getting too rowdy.

The dad says, "You will sit down! You will eat! You will neither rip, nor run."

The voice had so much authority that, as Dwayne tells it, it reached out beyond their table and ensnared him in its spell. He fearfully looked over, and sure enough, the dad was none other than Avery Brooks. There was so much sheer authority in his voice that Dwayne was afraid to get up and leave afterwards.

"I'm still in the restaurant," he closed.
 
2020-10-24 11:33:17 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.


I don't think he's crazy. I think he's sick of being associated with Trek. I wouldn't blame him for phoning in Sisko just to get money to purchase a new piano.
 
2020-10-24 11:39:48 PM  
The article's claim that there could potentially be a full revival of DS9 may be the saddest thing I've ever read.

I mean, bringing back individual actors for things is normal enough, but bringing back the entire show would mean that almost literally every actor involved had their career die outright or crumble into such a terrible dry spell that the entire cast is available for hire. In a show where even narrowly defined the "main cast" was like thirty people.

// It's probably just him, and probably for a guest spot on picard or something.
 
2020-10-24 11:51:50 PM  

Ishkur: demonfaerie: They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.

The original actor for Icheb (Manu Intiraymi) apparently got a little creepy on Jeri Ryan on the set of Voyager and they did not get along. He just seems like a douche through and through.

So they weren't going to use him for Picard even if it was a torture scene (Ryan very likely requested they find someone new).


I hung out with Manu after we met through mutual friends at a convention, and he's a miserable human being who can't hold his liquor. Complete garbage person.
 
2020-10-25 12:07:54 AM  

Ishkur: demonfaerie: They watched enough where they killed off Icheb, because the guy who played him in Voyager was pissed off at an actor in Discovery when he came out about his story about Kevin Spacey.

The original actor for Icheb (Manu Intiraymi) apparently got a little creepy on Jeri Ryan on the set of Voyager and they did not get along. He just seems like a douche through and through.

So they weren't going to use him for Picard even if it was a torture scene (Ryan very likely requested they find someone new).


Yeah the guy is a douche, but the character he played was interesting. I didn't like how he was killed off. 7of9 mercy killing him like that was all kinds of farked up. With all the medical technology advancements, should could have gotten him help even with the borgs parts removed. They could have killed that character off way better. It was almost Tasha Yar levels bad.
 
2020-10-25 12:12:24 AM  
Of all the characters on DS9, Sisko is the one I would least like to see follow up series for.

I think leaving Sisko having defeated the Dominion and united with the Prophets is the right place for him to be left.

Of all the characters, the one I think would make the best series this far removed from DS9 is Nog, but I doubt that's I'll happen now. And while a great idea in 2000, I think the time is long passed for a Bashir Section 31 series.

I think if I had to do a DS9 spinoff, my first instinct would be featuring the next Dax host, perhaps leading a new Federation settlement in the Gamma Quadrant, keeping it as a fixed base with secondary characters coming and going like DS9. I would give Kira a significant role as the senior officer in charge of Starfleet in the Gamma Quadrant.
 
2020-10-25 12:13:11 AM  

dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of th ...


I don't know how the Federation could collapse like that so fast even after the war. There are hundreds of planets in the Federation. Not to mention towards the end of DS9, Bajor was going to be a part of the Federation. A Star Trek show dealing with the aftermath of the war would be way more interesting. Probably won't happen now thanks to Picard. I would like to see Cardassia getting help from the Federation, and becoming a member.

I still can't picture the Federation making a bunch of androids for labor even with the war. Considering Data died to save Picard, and in Voyager it is hinted heavily that holograms were going to possibly fight back from their slave labor. It would make more sense to just make farking robots.
 
2020-10-25 12:13:32 AM  

demonfaerie: Yeah the guy is a douche, but the character he played was interesting. I didn't like how he was killed off. 7of9 mercy killing him like that was all kinds of farked up. With all the medical technology advancements, should could have gotten him help even with the borgs parts removed.


I agree it was a dumb plot point too. Geordie was born without eyes, you're telling me this dude can't get ocular implants?

Picard in general is just a dumb story with drumb characters doing dumb things for dumb reasons (or maybe cuz the writer took psych 101 and needed each of them to have a traumatic backstory) and insulting your intelligence.
 
2020-10-25 12:19:48 AM  

Ishkur: demonfaerie: Yeah the guy is a douche, but the character he played was interesting. I didn't like how he was killed off. 7of9 mercy killing him like that was all kinds of farked up. With all the medical technology advancements, should could have gotten him help even with the borgs parts removed.

I agree it was a dumb plot point too. Geordie was born without eyes, you're telling me this dude can't get ocular implants?

Picard in general is just a dumb story with drumb characters doing dumb things for dumb reasons (or maybe cuz the writer took psych 101 and needed each of them to have a traumatic backstory) and insulting your intelligence.


7of9 got an ocular implant after she was removed from the Borg. He could have gotten one too. Plus Icheb was not a part of the Borg for very long, so he was able to remove parts of his implants to give to her. That was an entire episode in Voyager about it. He could have lived without his Borg parts based what happened in Voyager. It seems like medical holograms are a thing in new ships, so she should have one on standby. You want to kill him off, ok fine, but do it where it makes sense. I still don't get how or why the neutral zone went away. I can't picture the Federation, the Romulan Star Empire, and the Klingon Empire to allow basically vigilantes to protect those areas.
 
2020-10-25 12:20:06 AM  

dywed88: Of all the characters, the one I think would make the best series this far removed from DS9 is Nog,


If you watched What We Left Behind, they got the original writers together for a fun brainstorm session to see what a hypothetical Season 8 opener would be like.

It starts off with Captain Nog racing back furiously through the wormhole, his ship falling apart and his crew dead, pursued by an unknown assailant as he desperately tries to relay a distressing message to the Federation....
 
2020-10-25 12:27:53 AM  

Gubbo: Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?


Well for what it's worth - and I don't know how legit/reliable these websites are - but

https://startrekguide.com/
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/; and
https://www.newsbreak.com/

are all reporting the same story.
 
2020-10-25 12:29:03 AM  

demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in trailers in the middle of th ...

I don't know how the Federation could collapse like that so fast even after the war. There are hundreds of planets in the Federation. Not to mention towards the end of DS9, Bajor was going to be a part of the Federation. A Star Trek show dealing with the aftermath of the war would be way more interesting. Probably won't happen now thanks to Picard. I would like to see Cardassia getting help from the Federation, and becoming a member.

I still can't picture the Federation making a bunch of androids for labor even with the war. Considering Data died to save Picard, and in Voyager it is hinted heavily that holograms were going to possibly fight back from their slave labor. It would make more sense to just make farking robots.


No, I mean when they were on the edge of total collapse during the war. That can change people's views on some shiat pretty quickly.
 
2020-10-25 12:33:59 AM  

dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live in traile ...


I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.
 
2020-10-25 12:48:44 AM  
Picard made me wish so fervently that Andreas Katsulas was still alive. The whole thing needed Tomalok.
 
2020-10-25 1:03:22 AM  

browneye: Gubbo: Remind me, this site is just completely made up rumours and ass-pulling, right?

Well for what it's worth - and I don't know how legit/reliable these websites are - but

https://startrekguide.com/
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/; and
https://www.newsbreak.com/

are all reporting the same story.


A bunch of no name crapsites playing the telephone game among each other.


If any of these rumors were true, CBS themselves would be the ones doing the leaking to real websites you've actually heard of.
 
2020-10-25 1:22:18 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?


I think Benjamin reuniting with Jake, Kassidy, and the baby - maybe the prophets want to take the child because it's a prophet too - or the pa-wraiths want to destroy/turn it? It's not enough to sustain a major show, but for a miniseries that would allow to tell a good Black family story in the 24th century. I'm not sure if the man who played Benjamin's father is still alive, but if he is, it would be wonderful to see the Sisko men together to protect this child. Since the series ended, I've been wondering what happened to The Sisko. I'd also love to peek in on Cardassia 20 years after the Dominion and see how things have changed - maybe they need to go to Cardassia to reclaim a stolen orb or something? I dunno, I love Benjamin, and I would be thrilled to see him back for a bit.
 
2020-10-25 1:22:23 AM  

Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.


Na Avery is just trolling the audience and mostly Shatner; the song he's playing is I wish I knew. It's a masterclass in farking with people.

What we left behind is on Amazon prime it's a really good look into production even though he doesn't directly sit down for it
 
2020-10-25 1:36:19 AM  

JerkStore: I'm working my way through DS9 for the first time right now and I've been a fan of Avery Brooks for many years (probably since he was Hawk on Spenser for Hire when I was a kid). DS9 seemed to really take off when he stopped playing nerdy Starfleet guy and went back to being is usual badass self--shaved head and goatee. Hell, I was surprised he didn't have a big, chrome phaser. He is a super chill hardass in whatever role he takes.

That said, can also be a terrifically hammy over-actor. I get that it probably comes from working on the stage most of his life, but man, some of his soliloquies are so stilted and awkward to listen to. Whenever he has more than four sentences or a speech to rally the troops, it sounds so clumsy. That always knocks me out of the moment and breaks the fourth wall without intentionally doing it.

Love Avery Brooks. Enjoy the Sisko character. But I'm not sure he was so amazing that we need more. This feels more like a junior exec at CBS said, "Hey, if they can do "Picard" with old man Picard, let's do "Sisko" with old man Sisko!" and nobody told him it was a bad idea.


TNG and DS9 followed the Grow the Beard trope. In a nutshell, when a character grows a beard the show is mature and good.
 
2020-10-25 1:38:16 AM  
Wine Sipping Elitist:

Correction: they didn't follow the trope, they *created* the growing the beard trope.
 
2020-10-25 1:55:07 AM  

HighOnCraic: AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?

I like the rough draft they did in "What We Left Behind."

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2020-10-25 2:37:03 AM  

demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let people live ...


A large portion of the federation was occupied, the bulk of the Federation, Romulan, and Klingon battlefleets had been wiped out by a weapon they had no defense against. The dominion was positioned where they could threaten earth.
 
2020-10-25 2:43:10 AM  

Trik: HighOnCraic: AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?

I like the rough draft they did in "What We Left Behind."

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Not sure what happened with that link, but there's definitely an article about the documentary on that site.

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Maybe the imdb page works:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt​6332276/
 
2020-10-25 2:56:44 AM  

demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.


I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!
 
2020-10-25 3:04:24 AM  

HighOnCraic: Trik: HighOnCraic: AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?

I like the rough draft they did in "What We Left Behind."

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Not sure what happened with that link, but there's definitely an article about the documentary on that site.

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Maybe the imdb page works:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6​332276/


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2020-10-25 3:15:06 AM  
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2020-10-25 5:39:19 AM  

WillofJ2: [vignette.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x589]bring him back, add him to picards merry band


<insert obligatory opinion on the quality of character>

OF.  All.  TIME!
 
2020-10-25 5:40:19 AM  

WillofJ2: WillofJ2: [vignette.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x589]bring him back, add him to picards merry band

Meant to add this

"Bashir: But the point is, if you lie all the time, nobody's going to believe you, even when you're telling the truth.
Garak: Are you sure that's the point, Doctor?
Bashir: Of course, what else could it be?
Garak: That you should never tell the same lie twice. "


... especially the lies
 
2020-10-25 7:54:08 AM  
Next up, Star Trek: Chopped, where a bloated Admiral Janeway and Neelix host a Starfleet sanctioned cooking reality show with various contestants from throughout the Alpha quadrant.

Anyone down for some Gagh?
 
2020-10-25 9:02:02 AM  

Error 482: AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?

What I remember hearing about it was that Sisko was originally going to be leaving and joining the Prophets permanently. Brooks objected to this, as it amounted to a black father abandoning his wife and new child. The ending was changed to add the bits about Sisko only going temporarily, and promising to return, making it less an abandonment and more going on a long term mission. I wouldn't be surprised if Brooks wasn't entirely satisfied with that compromise.


Yes, that was what I was trying to say.  But you said it much clearer than I did.
 
2020-10-25 9:09:06 AM  

dywed88: A large portion of the federation was occupied, the bulk of the Federation, Romulan, and Klingon battlefleets had been wiped out by a weapon they had no defense against. The dominion was positioned where they could threaten earth.


I think a lot of people forget how decimating the Dominion War was for the Alpha Quadrant.  It destroyed almost 2/3 of the Federation, Romulan and Klingon fleets once all was said and done.

Couple this with Romulans infiltrating the Federation under the guise of being Vulcans, and where things ended up by Picard's time really does make sense, especially if the Romulan infiltrators had been working behind the scenes to turn the Federation against synthetic life.
 
2020-10-25 9:11:00 AM  

blodyholy: Next up, Star Trek: Chopped, where a bloated Admiral Janeway and Neelix host a Starfleet sanctioned cooking reality show with various contestants from throughout the Alpha quadrant.

Anyone down for some Gagh?


Well, Janeway actually is coming back on a Nick show called Star Trek: Prodigy.
 
2020-10-25 9:21:20 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: blodyholy: Next up, Star Trek: Chopped, where a bloated Admiral Janeway and Neelix host a Starfleet sanctioned cooking reality show with various contestants from throughout the Alpha quadrant.

Anyone down for some Gagh?

Well, Janeway actually is coming back on a Nick show called Star Trek: Prodigy.


Ahh yes, I remember seeing the Fark thread about that a few weeks ago. I'm not sure how well this will fly with Nickelodeon's target demo...hell, what even is their target demo these days? Are the kids even aware of Star Trek? I can't say I've watched anything on that channel in many, many years.

Janeway Explains It All?

Seven of Nine the Teenage Borg?
 
2020-10-25 9:36:10 AM  

WillofJ2: I just figured the Droids on Mars were intentionally limited in their program tobe nothing but working machines, and the reason they were banned is they like any computer could get a virus and be weaponized

The biggest crock was the ending of picard such a let down, who are the others, reminded me of the cliff hanger of dark matter


Picard ended with a space cthulu...
 
2020-10-25 10:11:16 AM  

HighOnCraic: Trik: HighOnCraic: AurizenDarkstar: Neondistraction: Mugato: I dunno, they wrapped the show pretty well. I'll watch it, just keep Alex Kurtzman away from it.

True, but at the end when Sisko left to go hang out with the Prophets or whatever they mentioned that he would come back eventually.  Seems like a logical entry point to a follow-up series.

Actually, there was an interview I remember reading many years ago where Avery Brooks didn't exactly like the way it ended (in that his character was a black man leaving the rest of his family in limbo with no idea if he would actually return).  So I could see him being interested in coming back, if only for a few episodes of say a returning DS9?

I like the rough draft they did in "What We Left Behind."

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Not sure what happened with that link, but there's definitely an article about the documentary on that site.


Fark puts non-printing characters in long strings. Maybe as a measure to prevent people going to shady sites that are banned from linking on Fark? Dunno. If you delete the characters the copy and paste link works.

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2020-10-25 12:06:03 PM  
here's one I wish they'd bring back to finish the story.

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2020-10-25 12:24:35 PM  

Ishkur: Your_Huckleberry: There was a graphic novel that set up events in the Prime Universe that led into the start of the reboot movie. I don't know how much of it is considered canon

The answer is: None of it.

Only televised stuff is canon. Everything books, comics, etc... is glorified fan fiction.

This has been Paramount's rule since the 70s.


That's probably correct, though I could have sworn that the tie in comics were different because Abrams wanted it that way or something.
 
2020-10-25 12:34:15 PM  

COMALite J: LrdPhoenix: Jack Sabbath: Good luck. Saw him the Shatner captains documentary and Brooks is crazier than a rat in a coffee can.

Yeah, he's a bit crazy now, or at least extremely artsy.

Could work.  He has spent who knows how long in non-linear time with the prophets.  That shiat could easily fark you up from the neck up.
The late, great Dwayne McDuffie once wrote that he was eating breakfast in a Hollywood area restaurant and he barely notices out of the corner of his eye a black dad with a couple of young sons at a nearby table, until the sons started getting too rowdy.

The dad says, "You will sit down! You will eat! You will neither rip, nor run."

The voice had so much authority that, as Dwayne tells it, it reached out beyond their table and ensnared him in its spell. He fearfully looked over, and sure enough, the dad was none other than Avery Brooks. There was so much sheer authority in his voice that Dwayne was afraid to get up and leave afterwards.

"I'm still in the restaurant," he closed.


There's a reference on Memory Alpha about the first episode with Worf on DS9. Sisko is going with his Hawk look and there's a scene where he's in the room with Worf and Gen.Martoch (or was it Gowron) and Sisko totally commands the room. His presence and voice and aura always made him seem like a much physically larger person.
 
2020-10-25 12:44:16 PM  

HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.

I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!


In the books Romulus has a Civil War. None of the books are canon, and I guess neither does the Star Trek online. None of that is going to be explored I don't think. If they did, they would have done so already in Picard, but they chose not too. Picard lost me with any new Trek for awhile. That is just me though.
 
2020-10-25 12:47:38 PM  

dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where they let ...


That still makes no sense to make androids for labor. Holograms were rising up, and Data was still in starfleet. It makes much more sense to create robots for labor. They are probably faster to make, and less complicated. You also do not have to deal with moral dilemmas with them. Star Trek shows really need a lore fact checker.
 
2020-10-25 12:59:57 PM  

demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: clkeagle: demonfaerie: Picard did such a shiat job at explaining the regression of the Federation that I just do not give a shiat about that show anymore. I also did not like how Picard was the only person trying to help Romulans, but fail to ignore that Spock was trying to save the planet.

Your first point explains your second point. Spock was lost, then the synth rebellion happened... then nobody but Picard was willing to stick their necks out for the Romulans. Had Spock still been around, he would have been influential enough to turn the tide. Picard was obviously respected, but didn't have the same clout.

...at least I think. As you said, they didn't do very well in explaining how the Federation really changed between Voyager's return and the post-Synth rebellion world.

They didn't brought up Spock though, and if they did it was poorly done. Spock in this timeline sacrificed himself to try to save Romulus. Even thought he did not succeed in saving the planet, he did go out trying. You think his death would not be in vain. I can't picture the Federation or Vulcan be like opps Spock failed, ok byeeee. Federation ships or even Starfleet ships should not be that thinned out where they could not handle the attack on Mars, and help evacuate Romulus. From what I can remember from the 2009 Star Trek movie, when Spock failed with the red matter the planet blew up. Spock should still be alive while Picard was helping to evacuate Romulus. It also does not make sense that the gigantic Romulan Star Empire would be so weak it could not help all the people on their main planet. Not to mention relocating its people.

During TNG and Voyager they were giving rights to androids and holograms. Why would they just start creating androids to use as basically slave labor, and treat them like shiat. Picard does not take place that far into the future from Voyager to turn the Federation into such a bigoted system where ...


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2020-10-25 1:02:23 PM  

demonfaerie: HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.

I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!

In the books Romulus has a Civil War. None of the books are canon, and I guess neither does the Star Trek online. None of that is going to be explored I don't think. If they did, they would have done so already in Picard, but they chose not too. Picard lost me with any new Trek for awhile. That is just me though.


I've read some of the books, including the ones about the Typhon Pact.  But as you said, they're non-canon.  I've we're gonna idly speculate about continuing DS9 (based on specious rumors), why not wonder where the story would go?

/Again, my vote is for the story from the documentary.
//Sadly, Nog is unavailable.
 
2020-10-25 1:22:57 PM  
--Sisko is a very interesting character. If you (re)watch DS9, note that he fights like a Klingon.  He has a lot of rage and undealt-with emotion from his wife dying, and there is very little difference between alt.universe.Sisko and "our" Sisko - except our Sisko is Captain of a space station instead of a ship.  And he radiates authority.

--And I don't think Brooks is crazy, he might have been high during the doc with Shatner but he's very "jazz" inspired.  He played the villain to near perfection in the "Our Man Bashir" episode.  Come to think of it, he kind of reminds me of Commander Vimes in the Pratchett universe (played by Hugh Jackman in my headcanon.)  A decent man suppressing powerful emotions.
 
2020-10-25 1:32:23 PM  

CzarChasm: --Sisko is a very interesting character. If you (re)watch DS9, note that he fights like a Klingon.  He has a lot of rage and undealt-with emotion from his wife dying, and there is very little difference between alt.universe.Sisko and "our" Sisko - except our Sisko is Captain of a space station instead of a ship.  And he radiates authority.

--And I don't think Brooks is crazy, he might have been high during the doc with Shatner but he's very "jazz" inspired.  He played the villain to near perfection in the "Our Man Bashir" episode.  Come to think of it, he kind of reminds me of Commander Vimes in the Pratchett universe (played by Hugh Jackman in my headcanon.)  A decent man suppressing powerful emotions.


Regular Universe Captain Sisko:

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/Is it possible that the Mirror Universe Sisko and the Regular Universe Sisko traded places?
//Trekkies, their heads exploded.
 
2020-10-25 1:38:32 PM  

Hobodeluxe: here's one I wish they'd bring back to finish the story.

[assets.change.org image 800x313]


Now, this is a revival that actually is making some progress.

Here's a story about it from a real website, with information from a real person involved with it.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/stargat​e​-producer-teases-progress-new-tv-serie​s-set-within-sg-1
 
2020-10-25 1:55:49 PM  

HighOnCraic: /Is it possible that the Mirror Universe Sisko and the Regular Universe Sisko traded places?
//Trekkies, their heads exploded.


on Fark, where the realization occurred.
Siskos, their universes swapped.
on Fark, where the heads did explode

/Temba
 
2020-10-25 2:09:29 PM  

HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.

I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!

In the books Romulus has a Civil War. None of the books are canon, and I guess neither does the Star Trek online. None of that is going to be explored I don't think. If they did, they would have done so already in Picard, but they chose not too. Picard lost me with any new Trek for awhile. That is just me though.

I've read some of the books, including the ones about the Typhon Pact.  But as you said, they're non-canon.  I've we're gonna idly speculate about continuing DS9 (based on specious rumors), why not wonder where the story would go?

/Again, my vote is for the story from the documentary.
//Sadly, Nog is unavailable.


I would love for a Nog show, or a miniseries. Sucks that can't happen now. Nog is such a great character. I wouldn't mind a show about Garak helping to rebuild Cardassia.
 
2020-10-25 4:28:45 PM  

Hobodeluxe: here's one I wish they'd bring back to finish the story.

[assets.change.org image 800x313]


They kind of did a version of the planned story, but in comic book form.


*spoiler alert*


Eli found a group of Ancients in stasis pods in an unexplored part of the ship.
 
2020-10-25 4:45:19 PM  

docilej: [Fark user image 215x234]
"...they can convince him to return by making sure the spinoff focuses on themes of racial injustice and equality..."


It's STAR TREK, genius.  There has never been a single season of all the shows that DIDN'T tackle themes of racial injustice and equality..  The show in all its incarnations has always been political.
 
2020-10-25 4:52:57 PM  
dywed88:

Of all the characters, the one I think would make the best series this far removed from DS9 is Nog, but I doubt that's I'll happen now.

Considering Aron Eisenberg died over a year ago, it's extremely doubtful.

And while a great idea in 2000, I think the time is long passed for a Bashir Section 31 series.

Well, not with Bashir, anyway.
 
2020-10-25 5:38:17 PM  
HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.

I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!

In the books Romulus has a Civil War. None of the books are canon, and I guess neither does the Star Trek online. None of that is going to be explored I don't think. If they did, they would have done so already in Picard, but they chose not too. Picard lost me with any new Trek for awhile. That is just me though.

I've read some of the books, including the ones about the Typhon Pact.  But as you said, they're non-canon.  I've we're gonna idly speculate about continuing DS9 (based on specious rumors), why not wonder where the story would go?

/Again, my vote is for the story from the documentary.
//Sadly, Nog is unavailable.

I would love for a Nog show, or a miniseries. Sucks that can't happen now. Nog is such a great character. I wouldn't mind a show about Garak helping to rebuild Cardassia.


The only thing that bothers me about the DS9 reruns on the Heroes & Icons Channel is that for some reason this last incredible scene between Garek and Bashir in What You Leave Behind, Pt. 2 was edited out:

Star Trek DS9 - What You Leave Behind - Garak and Bashir last scene
Youtube 3XGKkycX81A
 
2020-10-25 6:43:05 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: Ishkur: Your_Huckleberry: There was a graphic novel that set up events in the Prime Universe that led into the start of the reboot movie. I don't know how much of it is considered canon

The answer is: None of it.

Only televised stuff is canon. Everything books, comics, etc... is glorified fan fiction.

This has been Paramount's rule since the 70s.

That's probably correct, though I could have sworn that the tie in comics were different because Abrams wanted it that way or something.


This contrasts with Abrams' handling of the Star Wars Universe, in which the EU of books, games, comics, etc... WERE canon until Abrams decided they weren't.

This man should be geek public enemy #1, having shiatcanned two franchises with his shiatty ideas now.
 
2020-10-25 6:43:09 PM  

BullBearMS: Hobodeluxe: here's one I wish they'd bring back to finish the story.

[assets.change.org image 800x313]

They kind of did a version of the planned story, but in comic book form.


*spoiler alert*


Eli found a group of Ancients in stasis pods in an unexplored part of the ship.


ahh, so they did. found them on youtube in video form. will check them out later.
 
2020-10-25 7:00:03 PM  

Ishkur: Your_Huckleberry: Ishkur: Your_Huckleberry: There was a graphic novel that set up events in the Prime Universe that led into the start of the reboot movie. I don't know how much of it is considered canon

The answer is: None of it.

Only televised stuff is canon. Everything books, comics, etc... is glorified fan fiction.

This has been Paramount's rule since the 70s.

That's probably correct, though I could have sworn that the tie in comics were different because Abrams wanted it that way or something.

This contrasts with Abrams' handling of the Star Wars Universe, in which the EU of books, games, comics, etc... WERE canon until Abrams decided they weren't.

This man should be geek public enemy #1, having shiatcanned two franchises with his shiatty ideas now.


I can't put 100% blame on Abram's handling of Star Wars. Disney did not push for an outline between all three movies. Disney freaked out by the love or hate reviews of the Last Jedi. So they begged Abrams to come back to do the third. If he did the entire trilogy the hate would be either less severe or non existence. The Force Awakens was a good set up for a new trilogy. He did handled the Star Trek movies like ass though. Beyond was the only good movie out of those three. I wish all the CBS shows were in Abrams' timeline. That Star Trek universe is more action packed compared to the original. It would make sense for Discovery, and even Picard to take place in that timeline. Those shows are more action focused.
 
2020-10-25 7:34:24 PM  
I'm waiting for the the Star Trek: liquidator brunt & lesser Jeffery Combs characters series
 
2020-10-25 7:56:24 PM  

SpockYouOut: I'm waiting for the the Star Trek: liquidator brunt & lesser Jeffery Combs characters series


With special special effects, it's possible to have a show where Jeffrey Coombs plays every character.
 
2020-10-25 8:05:41 PM  

HighOnCraic: SpockYouOut: I'm waiting for the the Star Trek: liquidator brunt & lesser Jeffery Combs characters series

With special special effects, it's possible to have a show where Jeffrey Coombs plays every character.


Star Trek meets Orphan Black starring Jeffrey Combs. I would actually watch that.
 
2020-10-25 9:33:27 PM  

browneye: HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: HighOnCraic: demonfaerie: I still can't picture that. There was a nice peace treaty with Romulus, and the Klingons were still their allies. There was an urgency to go back to normal, but not to the point to make androids for slave labor. Data was still alive at the time, he and Picard would condemn it. Robots make much more sense to do hard labor tasks, and besides they were using holograms to do labor. It was shown in Voyager, and those holograms were going to fight for rights.

I think that what's great about that series is that it left the viewer hungry for more.  It's interesting to think about where the story goes from there--does the alliance hold together without the threat of a common enemy?  Does the secret from "In the Pale Moonlight" ever get leaked to the Romulans?  Are the Klingons ready to go back to peaceful relations with the Federation, or would they decide to attack the weakened Cardassian Union?  Is there any sort of Marshall Plan to rebuild the planets ravaged by the war?  Does a Cold War develop among the various factions?

/Yeah, I have a side project that explores those ideas.
//No, I don't expect that it will ever get produced.
///Yeah, I will probably post the scripts online for free like hundreds of other lame fanfic writers, with no hope of making a dime.
////May the Force be with you!

In the books Romulus has a Civil War. None of the books are canon, and I guess neither does the Star Trek online. None of that is going to be explored I don't think. If they did, they would have done so already in Picard, but they chose not too. Picard lost me with any new Trek for awhile. That is just me though.

I've read some of the books, including the ones about the Typhon Pact.  But as you said, they're non-canon.  I've we're gonna idly speculate about continuing DS9 (based on specious rumors), why not wonder where the story would go?

/Again, my vote is for the story from the documentary.
//Sadly, Nog is unavailable.

I would love for a Nog show, or a miniseries. Sucks that can't happen now. Nog is such a great character. I wouldn't mind a show about Garak helping to rebuild Cardassia.

The only thing that bothers me about the DS9 reruns on the Heroes & Icons Channel is that for some reason this last incredible scene between Garek and Bashir in What You Leave Behind, Pt. 2 was edited out:

[YouTube video: Star Trek DS9 - What You Leave Behind - Garak and Bashir last scene]


Just amazing he was in only 30 some odd episodes but I always remember garak as being the one Character I always wanted to see and brought so much to his scenes
 
2020-10-25 9:36:23 PM  

demonfaerie: Beyond was the only good movie out of those three.


None of the movies were any good.
 
2020-10-26 6:00:11 AM  

Bslim: You know what looks like real Trek? Lower Decks. A f*cking cartoon.


Yeah, and they act like children's cartoon characters
 
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