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(9News (Australia))   Japan's craft breweries now turning unsold spoiling beer into gin in these coronavirus times. Waste not, want not   (9news.com.au) divider line
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2020-10-24 10:21:24 AM  
Why not both?

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2020-10-24 10:52:06 AM  
Again?

Fark user imageSomeone finally found a use for Budweiser
 
2020-10-24 10:58:47 AM  

WordsnCollision: Why not both?

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Those pictures are so very very funny. My favorite part of the gin picture is the old woman on the left who is so drunk on gin that she is gnawing on a dog's bone.

/ Been there.
 
2020-10-24 11:26:10 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Again?

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As long as you filter all the congeners and methanol out.
 
2020-10-24 11:33:30 AM  
Bizarre. First I have heard of this. Everyone probably knows that a lot of sake and alcohol production was switched to hand sanitizer. I guess the beer gardens this year did not do much business, so yeah. Beer surplus.

/CSB  After the Fukushima thing, a whole bunch of milk was found to have been contaminated by IODINE isotopes. The cattle were enclosed. Cesium and the rest were not a concern. Anyway, they just wasted the milk. Dumped it all. But the only isotopes worth any worry at all were of those isotopes with a half life of 50 days or some such. A certain friend of mine noted that the levels were so low that if they had just taken all the milk and made hard cheese out of it, the iodine isotopes would have degraded enough that they would have been far below accepted levels by the time the cheese was ready.
 
2020-10-24 12:32:13 PM  
5% alcohol by volume is a lot lower than most distillers start with.   Somewhere the is an economic factor involved with heating up that extra water.

/saw something about  removing alcohol from wine using reverse osmosis.  But I don't know if they have scaled it to industrial levels yet
 
2020-10-24 12:39:11 PM  
I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.
 
2020-10-24 1:11:50 PM  

hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.


See, this is the question I've always had with lighter spirits being toxic...

...if it's in your beer after it was distilled, it was also in your beer before it was distilled. Two glasses of beer would have the same amount of methanol as two shots of the distilled version.

Does beer and wine not have this problem due to a different fermentation or is there some part I'm missing here?

/yes I throw out the heads on anything I distilled, just wondering...
 
2020-10-24 1:40:50 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.

See, this is the question I've always had with lighter spirits being toxic...

...if it's in your beer after it was distilled, it was also in your beer before it was distilled. Two glasses of beer would have the same amount of methanol as two shots of the distilled version.

Does beer and wine not have this problem due to a different fermentation or is there some part I'm missing here?

/yes I throw out the heads on anything I distilled, just wondering...


The problem with methanol is that the liver converts it to formaldehyde, which is toxic, for example, to the retina.

One way to mitigate that is to also consume ethanol, which the liver processes preferentially, giving time for the kidneys  to get rid of the methanol.

So if you mix all your distilled alcohols, its probably the same as what it was distilled from.   If your bootlegger sells the good stuff to his high-end customer, and then tries to make an extra buck off selling you the heads (perhaps mixed in later fractions) instead of tossing it (or using it as a cleaner), that's where you suffer.
 
2020-10-24 2:58:46 PM  
Beer spoils ??
 
2020-10-24 3:29:55 PM  

yanoosh: Beer spoils ??


nothing lasts forever. not even a Volvo.
 
2020-10-24 3:59:54 PM  

hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.


Sounds dangerous

Only a few ml of methanol can blind you.
Around 30ml is lethal
 
2020-10-24 4:03:14 PM  

hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.


The irony is that if you consume ethanol after being poisoned with methanol, the liver metabolizes the ethanol first and the kidneys excrete the methanol.  Your good to go.

The metabolites of methanol are wht does the damage.

The liver is weird.
 
2020-10-24 4:06:22 PM  

yanoosh: Beer spoils ??


Yep

It skunks
 
2020-10-24 4:09:37 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: bigbadideasinaction: hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.

See, this is the question I've always had with lighter spirits being toxic...

...if it's in your beer after it was distilled, it was also in your beer before it was distilled. Two glasses of beer would have the same amount of methanol as two shots of the distilled version.

Does beer and wine not have this problem due to a different fermentation or is there some part I'm missing here?

/yes I throw out the heads on anything I distilled, just wondering...

The problem with methanol is that the liver converts it to formaldehyde, which is toxic, for example, to the retina.

One way to mitigate that is to also consume ethanol, which the liver processes preferentially, giving time for the kidneys  to get rid of the methanol.

So if you mix all your distilled alcohols, its probably the same as what it was distilled from.   If your bootlegger sells the good stuff to his high-end customer, and then tries to make an extra buck off selling you the heads (perhaps mixed in later fractions) instead of tossing it (or using it as a cleaner), that's where you suffer.


Yep murcans go overseas and have died from methanol laden booze.

If you end up in the hospital, ethanol is a antidote.
 
2020-10-24 4:11:42 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: bigbadideasinaction: hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.

See, this is the question I've always had with lighter spirits being toxic...

...if it's in your beer after it was distilled, it was also in your beer before it was distilled. Two glasses of beer would have the same amount of methanol as two shots of the distilled version.

Does beer and wine not have this problem due to a different fermentation or is there some part I'm missing here?

/yes I throw out the heads on anything I distilled, just wondering...

The problem with methanol is that the liver converts it to formaldehyde, which is toxic, for example, to the retina.

One way to mitigate that is to also consume ethanol, which the liver processes preferentially, giving time for the kidneys  to get rid of the methanol.

So if you mix all your distilled alcohols, its probably the same as what it was distilled from.   If your bootlegger sells the good stuff to his high-end customer, and then tries to make an extra buck off selling you the heads (perhaps mixed in later fractions) instead of tossing it (or using it as a cleaner), that's where you suffer.


T shirt

Went to the hospital and my doctor served me hard liquor.
 
2020-10-24 4:27:42 PM  

Linux_Yes: Yep murcans go overseas and have died from methanol laden booze.

If you end up in the hospital, ethanol is a antidote.


Muricans are just a fraction* of the people affected by methanol poisoning.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_​o​f_methanol_poisoning_incidents

*FRACTION, GET IT?
 
2020-10-24 5:11:07 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: bigbadideasinaction: hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.

See, this is the question I've always had with lighter spirits being toxic...

...if it's in your beer after it was distilled, it was also in your beer before it was distilled. Two glasses of beer would have the same amount of methanol as two shots of the distilled version.

Does beer and wine not have this problem due to a different fermentation or is there some part I'm missing here?

/yes I throw out the heads on anything I distilled, just wondering...

The problem with methanol is that the liver converts it to formaldehyde, which is toxic, for example, to the retina.

One way to mitigate that is to also consume ethanol, which the liver processes preferentially, giving time for the kidneys  to get rid of the methanol.

So if you mix all your distilled alcohols, its probably the same as what it was distilled from.   If your bootlegger sells the good stuff to his high-end customer, and then tries to make an extra buck off selling you the heads (perhaps mixed in later fractions) instead of tossing it (or using it as a cleaner), that's where you suffer.


Makes sense. I was just always puzzled in this stance towards heads and tails with home distillation from something you were going to drink.
 
2020-10-24 5:22:07 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: Vlad_the_Inaner: bigbadideasinaction: hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.

See, this is the question I've always had with lighter spirits being toxic...

...if it's in your beer after it was distilled, it was also in your beer before it was distilled. Two glasses of beer would have the same amount of methanol as two shots of the distilled version.

Does beer and wine not have this problem due to a different fermentation or is there some part I'm missing here?

/yes I throw out the heads on anything I distilled, just wondering...

The problem with methanol is that the liver converts it to formaldehyde, which is toxic, for example, to the retina.

One way to mitigate that is to also consume ethanol, which the liver processes preferentially, giving time for the kidneys  to get rid of the methanol.

So if you mix all your distilled alcohols, its probably the same as what it was distilled from.   If your bootlegger sells the good stuff to his high-end customer, and then tries to make an extra buck off selling you the heads (perhaps mixed in later fractions) instead of tossing it (or using it as a cleaner), that's where you suffer.

Makes sense. I was just always puzzled in this stance towards heads and tails with home distillation from something you were going to drink.


Or you could toss the first 50ml and be done with it

I am fermenting to make hand sanitizer.  My first few batches I saved the first 50 ml separate, because I can always use it to clean grease off the stove or something.

But you can test for methanol.  It burns with a yellow flame.  Ethanol burns blue,almost invisible.

So I tested my collected heads, and it wasn't yellow at all.  The fact I am fermenting sugar washes probably affects that, its different than fermenting fruit juices or malted grains

So now I just save it all.  No big risk because I'm not drinking it.
 
2020-10-24 5:22:59 PM  

sinko swimo: yanoosh: Beer spoils ??

nothing lasts forever. not even a Volvo.





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2020-10-24 7:27:20 PM  
Pivovice.

It's a thing, it's just not great
 
2020-10-24 8:29:15 PM  

hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.


Always throw out the heads and tails.
 
2020-10-25 2:31:28 AM  

boozehat: hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.

Always throw out the heads and tails.


For teh homies?
 
2020-10-25 7:39:49 PM  

hamsack: I did this with a batch of home brew that got contaminated. 5 gallons of beer will distill down to about 8 ounces of usable booze. Not very economical or practical. Drank it anyway. It wasn't bad as long as you know that you need to toss out the first few ounces before saving any.


You're losing a lot of alcohol somewhere. 5 gallons of 5% beer contains about 1 litre of pure ethanol, equivalent to 2.5 L of 40% booze. That's about 80 ounces, not 8.
 
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