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2020-10-23 11:34:57 PM  
Republicans in panic mode is a glorious sight
 
2020-10-24 12:04:31 AM  
Votes coming in from the area most likely to vote for Biden aren't being thrown away fast enough for trump's party goons, who are already mad that they aren't being allowed to physically interfere.

They're stuck on the sidelines watching Democracy happen in spite of them, and they can't handle it.
 
2020-10-24 12:17:54 AM  
"Not enough ballots are being rejected."  Very subtle.
 
2020-10-24 12:26:29 AM  
I saw this crap and did what needed to be done
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2020-10-24 1:14:12 AM  
If election night ends in a Democratic blowout, he's going to sue to keep the polls open forever and ever while screaming at his followers to go vote three more times.
 
2020-10-24 1:14:57 AM  
Judges in some states are shutting down bullshiat reasons for discarding ballots. In Pennsylvania, it was just ruled that ballots cannot be thrown out for signature "mismatches." 

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2020/1​0​/23/pa-supreme-court-ballots-cant-reje​cted-signature-comparisons/6007383002/​

Glory Hallelujah.
 
2020-10-24 1:31:37 AM  
Signature checking of any kind for voting should be thrown out. You have non-handwriting experts throwing out people's votes based on their own idiotic opinions. It's unamerican and should be illegal. In this digital age signatures don't mean sh*t.  Most stores don't even require you to sign when you buy something with your credit card and most credit cards don't even ask you to sign them anymore. My signature can literally be an X.  If I put a Y is it thrown out? Signatures don't mean sh*t. And non-experts looking at them don't know sh*t.
 
2020-10-24 1:53:14 AM  

lindalouwho: Judges in some states are shutting down bullshiat reasons for discarding ballots. In Pennsylvania, it was just ruled that ballots cannot be thrown out for signature "mismatches." 

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2020/10​/23/pa-supreme-court-ballots-cant-reje​cted-signature-comparisons/6007383002/

Glory Hallelujah.


I'm also glad the judge shut that down. I have R/A in my hands and there are days that I can't write my name twice and have them look exactly alike.
 
2020-10-24 2:57:37 AM  

Driver: I'm also glad the judge shut that down. I have R/A in my hands and there are days that I can't write my name twice and have them look exactly alike.


Even without that, a signature can vary widely depending on anything from the instrument used, to the height or angle of the surface being written on, to the temperament of the person writing. No two signatures will ever exactly match, because human beings are not printing machines.

Even under the best of conditions, someone with a political axe to grind will always be able to find a discrepancy upon which to hang their demands to throw ballots away.

The only reason it's being trotted out now, against mail-in ballots, is because the republican party have worked hard to limit poll access only to themselves, and making every mailbox a ballot box is just too convenient for them to tolerate.
 
2020-10-24 3:06:44 AM  
No Trump, you can't have Nevada. Not yours.

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2020-10-24 5:41:31 AM  
Democracy at work, and they hates it...
 
2020-10-24 6:11:04 AM  
Yes how dare people exercise their right to vote, just keep suing everyone for everything until you get what you want.
 
2020-10-24 6:18:26 AM  

hubiestubert: Democracy at work


Don't worry, SCOTUS will fix the glitch.

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2020-10-24 6:19:20 AM  
Why is it only republicans who want your votes not to count?

/Rhetorical, of course
 
2020-10-24 6:20:36 AM  
One side wants you to have no voice in how your laws are made.
The other wants everyone to have a voice in how laws are made.
If you think both sides are bad go fark yourself.
 
2020-10-24 6:40:57 AM  
Fark you Trump!

People demand "meaningful observation" of all of your financial documents, yet you don't hand them over. Why should anyone care if you can't see something? You're Putin's pet.
 
2020-10-24 6:45:52 AM  

Mouren: One side wants you to have no voice in how your laws are made.
The other wants everyone to have a voice in how laws are made.
If you think both sides are bad go fark yourself.


One of the reasons why the Democrats have become such a big tent party that includes conservatives. Bill Clinton basically ran this country the same way Republicans claim they want to do. Some people with conservative views don't actually want to tear this country down and destroy democracy and if they're smart, they'll vote for the Democrat in Kansas or Oklahoma.
 
2020-10-24 6:47:38 AM  
I give it till next weekend before trump declares a national emergency to halt the election and "get to the bottom of all this fraud voting".  Right now it's just bs moves to try to throw out votes or suppress in general but once the republicans go full on panic from realizing that it won't work they will basically go for an Order 66
 
2020-10-24 6:58:27 AM  

Jiggatron69: I give it till next weekend before trump declares a national emergency to halt the election and "get to the bottom of all this fraud voting".  Right now it's just bs moves to try to throw out votes or suppress in general but once the republicans go full on panic from realizing that it won't work they will basically go for an Order 66


And why would any state listen to his demand to stop counting votes
 
2020-10-24 6:58:53 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Why is it only republicans who want your votes not to count?

/Rhetorical, of course


Democrats want to do away with the electoral college which would make a lot of real Americans votes count less.

Therefore both sides are bad and Trump is president for life.
 
2020-10-24 7:00:10 AM  
This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.
 
2020-10-24 7:00:13 AM  
Fingers crossed everyone, if we DEMS get the Senate and keeping the house, (losing the house isn't actually an issue), Congress will replace the piece of the Voter's Right Act that the Supremes tossed out and POTUS Biden will proudly sign.  (To stop this kind of blocking voters, since white GOP'ers are afraid of people of color).
 
2020-10-24 7:02:29 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.


Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV
 
2020-10-24 7:03:32 AM  
In Texas frivolous lawsuits cost a pretty penny.  As if the trump campaign has the money to pay or any intention to pay.
 
2020-10-24 7:06:01 AM  
Republicans, show us on the doll where democracy touched you.
 
2020-10-24 7:06:32 AM  

qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV


The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.
 
2020-10-24 7:06:47 AM  
biatch, please.
 
2020-10-24 7:07:54 AM  
Ha, ha, ha! Once the polls OPEN on Nov 3rd, the Repubs will be WAY behind in votes in all battleground states and in TEXAS. They will be crying all night to KEEP counting votes and will try to reverse Bush v. Gore.
 
2020-10-24 7:08:19 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.


Ok. And, why would the state listen?
 
2020-10-24 7:08:29 AM  

BitwiseShift: In Texas frivolous lawsuits cost a pretty penny.  As if the trump campaign has the money to pay or any intention to pay.


Trump will bankrupt his campaign just like he has every other business he's ever owned. This is even better than his normal grift because this is all other people's money.
 
2020-10-24 7:11:24 AM  

qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.

Ok. And, why would the state listen?


it isn't up to them. The senate certifies the election. If the Supreme Court says those states are to be invalidated the senate can ignore them.
 
2020-10-24 7:14:28 AM  
... And the ratfarking begins. Earlier than I thought.
 
2020-10-24 7:16:04 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Why is it only republicans who want your votes not to count?

/Rhetorical, of course


Because they're human garbage.  They can only win by cheating.
 
2020-10-24 7:17:50 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.

Ok. And, why would the state listen?

it isn't up to them. The senate certifies the election. If the Supreme Court says those states are to be invalidated the senate can ignore them.


It is up to them, actually. The Senate does not count the state ballots or certify the winner of a state's electoral votes. They can object to a state's provided electoral votes, but they cannot discard them unilaterally, and if the House doesn't agree there's nothing the Senate can do.

Note that the Supreme Court makes no appearance in this process.
 
2020-10-24 7:18:46 AM  
The lawsuit alleges Clark County Registrar of Voters Joe Gloria failed to get proper approval in April from Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske for his plan to accommodate observers. It seeks a court order to "prohibit ... processing and counting ballots until the proper procedures are in place."

So called "observers" were not approved in the first place, so just because you had a plan, doesn't mean you are going to be approved. Case should be tossed out on it's russian red ass.
 
2020-10-24 7:20:45 AM  

Walker: Signature checking of any kind for voting should be thrown out. You have non-handwriting experts throwing out people's votes based on their own idiotic opinions. It's unamerican and should be illegal. In this digital age signatures don't mean sh*t.  Most stores don't even require you to sign when you buy something with your credit card and most credit cards don't even ask you to sign them anymore. My signature can literally be an X.  If I put a Y is it thrown out? Signatures don't mean sh*t. And non-experts looking at them don't know sh*t.


Isn't the entire field of handwriting analysis full of pseudoscience and charlatans. Really just a cleaned up version of fortune teethers m tellers
 
2020-10-24 7:21:11 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.

Ok. And, why would the state listen?

it isn't up to them. The senate certifies the election. If the Supreme Court says those states are to be invalidated the senate can ignore them.


Difficulty: invalidating multiple states and stealing the election without collapsing America into total chaos (bad for business) and having people literally start shooting at them (don't shoot people).
 
2020-10-24 7:23:04 AM  

qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.

Ok. And, why would the state listen?

it isn't up to them. The senate certifies the election. If the Supreme Court says those states are to be invalidated the senate can ignore them.

It is up to them, actually. The Senate does not count the state ballots or certify the winner of a state's electoral votes. They can object to a state's provided electoral votes, but they cannot discard them unilaterally, and if the House doesn't agree there's nothing the Senate can do.

Note that the Supreme Court makes no appearance in this process.


The senate certifies the states reporting of the results. If the Supreme Court rules a states votes are inaccurate and not to be used the senate will not certify those votes. This is to avoid the official vote challenge procedure that requires both the house and senate to vote to invalidate a states results.
 
2020-10-24 7:25:02 AM  

Professor_Doctor: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.

Ok. And, why would the state listen?

it isn't up to them. The senate certifies the election. If the Supreme Court says those states are to be invalidated the senate can ignore them.

Difficulty: invalidating multiple states and stealing the election without collapsing America into total chaos (bad for business) and having people literally start shooting at them (don't shoot people).


They are counting on the democrats politely following along and trying to use the official channels to remedy the issue. This is why the republicans have been hell bent on filling judges positions with loyal republican followers.
 
2020-10-24 7:30:06 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: Professor_Doctor: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.

Ok. And, why would the state listen?

it isn't up to them. The senate certifies the election. If the Supreme Court says those states are to be invalidated the senate can ignore them.

Difficulty: invalidating multiple states and stealing the election without collapsing America into total chaos (bad for business) and having people literally start shooting at them (don't shoot people).

They are counting on the democrats politely following along and trying to use the official channels to remedy the issue. This is why the republicans have been hell bent on filling judges positions with loyal republican followers.


There really wouldn't be any official channels at that point.

Feck, it is too early for me to be doomposting. I need to enjoy my coffee.
 
2020-10-24 7:31:49 AM  
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2020-10-24 7:38:16 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: qorkfiend: cowsaregoodeating: This is setting up pretense for the eventual lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court. The goal of the lawsuit will be to invalidate enough states results so that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes and the house will choose the next president.

According to the 12th amendment each state gets one vote in this situation. It isnt by represented number of people.

Why would the House listen to the court's order to discard EV

The house wouldn't invalidate any electoral votes. The Supreme Court would rule that the states did not follow their own voting processes and invalidate the election results in those states. Once enough states have been invalidated neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes and the house chooses the president under the rules of the 12th amendment.

Ok. And, why would the state listen?

it isn't up to them. The senate certifies the election. If the Supreme Court says those states are to be invalidated the senate can ignore them.

It is up to them, actually. The Senate does not count the state ballots or certify the winner of a state's electoral votes. They can object to a state's provided electoral votes, but they cannot discard them unilaterally, and if the House doesn't agree there's nothing the Senate can do.

Note that the Supreme Court makes no appearance in this process.

The senate certifies the states reporting of the results. If the Supreme Court rules a states votes are inaccurate and not to be used the senate will not certify those votes. This is to avoid the official vote challenge procedure that requires both the house and senate to vote to invalidate a states results.


No, it does not.

You should go do some reading about the electoral college because it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2020-10-24 7:38:34 AM  

Shaggy_C: Epoch_Zero: Why is it only republicans who want your votes not to count?

/Rhetorical, of course

Democrats want to do away with the electoral college which would make a lot of real Americans votes count less.

Therefore both sides are bad and Trump is president for life.


Voiding the electoral college wouldn't make some votes count less. It would just mean they all count the same. .
 
2020-10-24 7:39:31 AM  

qorkfiend: Jiggatron69: I give it till next weekend before trump declares a national emergency to halt the election and "get to the bottom of all this fraud voting".  Right now it's just bs moves to try to throw out votes or suppress in general but once the republicans go full on panic from realizing that it won't work they will basically go for an Order 66

And why would any state listen to his demand to stop counting votes


never said any state would or at least blue states anyways but this is trump we are talking about. He declares thing all the time a la Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.  It won't work but in his mind he's some kinda "stable genius"who is "a perfect physical specimen".  It would still cause chaos though but that's been his MO since every bankruptcy he's been involved in.
 
2020-10-24 7:40:36 AM  

Jiggatron69: qorkfiend: Jiggatron69: I give it till next weekend before trump declares a national emergency to halt the election and "get to the bottom of all this fraud voting".  Right now it's just bs moves to try to throw out votes or suppress in general but once the republicans go full on panic from realizing that it won't work they will basically go for an Order 66

And why would any state listen to his demand to stop counting votes

never said any state would or at least blue states anyways but this is trump we are talking about. He declares thing all the time a la Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.  It won't work but in his mind he's some kinda "stable genius"who is "a perfect physical specimen".  It would still cause chaos though but that's been his MO since every bankruptcy he's been involved in.


What chaos would it cause when everyone ignores him and carries on as usual
 
2020-10-24 7:43:52 AM  

qorkfiend: Jiggatron69: qorkfiend: Jiggatron69: I give it till next weekend before trump declares a national emergency to halt the election and "get to the bottom of all this fraud voting".  Right now it's just bs moves to try to throw out votes or suppress in general but once the republicans go full on panic from realizing that it won't work they will basically go for an Order 66

And why would any state listen to his demand to stop counting votes

never said any state would or at least blue states anyways but this is trump we are talking about. He declares thing all the time a la Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.  It won't work but in his mind he's some kinda "stable genius"who is "a perfect physical specimen".  It would still cause chaos though but that's been his MO since every bankruptcy he's been involved in.

What chaos would it cause when everyone ignores him and carries on as usual


"Everyone ignores him"

There your first mistake there.  State governments might ignore him but enough of his looney tunes followers might not.  That's the chaos we are talking about.  Already enough whackadoos with Qanon nonsense in their heads and trump pulling that stunt will just accelerate the crazy.
 
2020-10-24 7:45:05 AM  
More than likely we will all be wearing masks from the "V" movie by mid January.
 
2020-10-24 7:45:49 AM  

Jiggatron69: qorkfiend: Jiggatron69: qorkfiend: Jiggatron69: I give it till next weekend before trump declares a national emergency to halt the election and "get to the bottom of all this fraud voting".  Right now it's just bs moves to try to throw out votes or suppress in general but once the republicans go full on panic from realizing that it won't work they will basically go for an Order 66

And why would any state listen to his demand to stop counting votes

never said any state would or at least blue states anyways but this is trump we are talking about. He declares thing all the time a la Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.  It won't work but in his mind he's some kinda "stable genius"who is "a perfect physical specimen".  It would still cause chaos though but that's been his MO since every bankruptcy he's been involved in.

What chaos would it cause when everyone ignores him and carries on as usual

"Everyone ignores him"

There your first mistake there.  State governments might ignore him but enough of his looney tunes followers might not.  That's the chaos we are talking about.  Already enough whackadoos with Qanon nonsense in their heads and trump pulling that stunt will just accelerate the crazy.


Ok. So, they'll do the same shiat they're currently doing? I haven't been terribly impressed at the efficacy of those groups thus far, and given that we have literally no choice other than to ignore Trump and carry on as usual, I don't see any point in worrying about it.
 
2020-10-24 7:46:27 AM  

1funguy: More than likely we will all be wearing masks from the "V" movie by mid January.


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Lizard people?
Ok, I guess that could work.
 
2020-10-24 7:47:40 AM  
Still pretending signature verification is a thing?
 
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