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(Slashdot)   The ghost of Jack Valenti says to you that Youtube-dl is to the RIAA and the MPAA as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone   (news.slashdot.org) divider line
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2020-10-23 9:56:41 PM  
The Wayback Machine still links to all the files. It's not like it's going away.

Also, while we're at it, this is DMCA abuse. The RIAA doesn't own the copyright to youtube-dl and they don't get to determine that the tool is used only for infringing of copyright, that's for the courts to decide.
 
2020-10-23 11:43:28 PM  
It's not like there are not hundreds of video download extensions available for Firefox, Edge etc. (The Chrome ones generally don't allow downloading from Youtube. So I've been told....)
 
2020-10-24 12:11:59 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: (The Chrome ones generally don't allow downloading from Youtube. So I've been told....)


Well, not officially.
 
2020-10-24 2:38:16 AM  
Simple question: How is this different than DVR / tape / etc?
 
2020-10-24 2:47:07 AM  

GitOffaMyLawn: Simple question: How is this different than DVR / tape / etc?


I would think that Youtube-dl would be easier to monetize on a global scale than someones living-room DVR.
 
2020-10-24 2:49:03 AM  
Good luck with that.

Regardless of whether they're right or not, if they're going to try and get a simple utility made inaccessible they're fighting a futile battle from the start. For one, the utility itself is always available a billion other places - if it wasn't already - in moments. For another, there will always be new tools popping up which do the same thing - often even better - when these kind of battles get waged. There's plenty of others out there already that pretty much do the same thing. I have one installed right now. Good luck whacking down all the moles.

Right or wrong, it's an unwinnable battle.
 
2020-10-24 2:49:53 AM  
Fark a Valenti...

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2020-10-24 2:52:05 AM  
"One of the primary bases for the RIAA's claim is that youtube-dl appears to be developed with the explicit intention of enabling the downloading of copyrighted works, with music videos from the likes of Icona Pop, Justin Timberlake, and Taylor Swift being used to test the tool's functionality, a claim which we were able to independently verify."

I read that quickly and what I saw was that youtube-dl appears to be developed with the explicit intention of Taylor Swift used to test functionality.  If they want to beam her into my room like Star Trek and make claims then I won't fault them for that.
 
2020-10-24 3:02:27 AM  
shorter RIAA: "You guys can't download all of the illegal copyrighted material we sell!"
 
2020-10-24 3:06:07 AM  

Joe USer: The Wayback Machine still links to all the files. It's not like it's going away.

Also, while we're at it, this is DMCA abuse. The RIAA doesn't own the copyright to youtube-dl and they don't get to determine that the tool is used only for infringing of copyright, that's for the courts to decide.


Microsoft (which owns Github) is completely at fault for honoring a DMCA takedown order that is, as you say, procedurally invalid.

Regardless, Youtube-DL development should move to a Chinese, or Russian, platform as the likelihood of them abiding by the DMCA isn't very high.
 
2020-10-24 3:07:10 AM  
It's an awesome tool and I recommend it to everyone.  It's pretty straightforward and has good help even if you're not that familiar with the command line.
 
2020-10-24 3:18:08 AM  
Plus it would let the owner take their own content back conveniently.
 
2020-10-24 4:54:46 AM  
The comments are an example of the Streisand Effect. One shows one of the ways to use VLC.

1. Copy youtube URL
2. Open VLC, click media -> open network stream, paste URL, click play
3. Click Tools -> media information
4. Copy everything from the Location field at the bottom
5. Past this new URL into your browser. This will start the video streaming in your browser
6. Select the download or save file option in your browser and save the resulting .mp4 file

If I'm not mistaken, VLC can just save the stream directly to a file.
 
2020-10-24 4:57:21 AM  
 
2020-10-24 5:16:32 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: The comments are an example of the Streisand Effect. One shows one of the ways to use VLC.

1. Copy youtube URL
2. Open VLC, click media -> open network stream, paste URL, click play
3. Click Tools -> media information
4. Copy everything from the Location field at the bottom
5. Past this new URL into your browser. This will start the video streaming in your browser
6. Select the download or save file option in your browser and save the resulting .mp4 file

If I'm not mistaken, VLC can just save the stream directly to a file.


VLC is such an amazing piece of software.  It seems there's no limit to cool shiat it can do.
 
2020-10-24 5:51:37 AM  

Neondistraction: Benjimin_Dover: The comments are an example of the Streisand Effect. One shows one of the ways to use VLC.

1. Copy youtube URL
2. Open VLC, click media -> open network stream, paste URL, click play
3. Click Tools -> media information
4. Copy everything from the Location field at the bottom
5. Past this new URL into your browser. This will start the video streaming in your browser
6. Select the download or save file option in your browser and save the resulting .mp4 file

If I'm not mistaken, VLC can just save the stream directly to a file.

VLC is such an amazing piece of software.  It seems there's no limit to cool shiat it can do.


Yeah. I found it years and years ago and haven't found a need to look for anything else. The fact that it often will play a broken video file where nothing else will is awesome. I'm pretty sure it would play a farking hubcap if you could somehow jam it into a reader.

I suppose there is something better out there by now. If anybody has examples, I'd take a look.
 
2020-10-24 7:00:27 AM  
I use it to download riaa takedown notices.
 
2020-10-24 7:02:03 AM  
The ghost of a cartoon character who with the what now?
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2020-10-24 7:56:36 AM  
To me, the most amazing thing about VLC is that they haven't destroyed it with pointless upgrades and add-ons after all this time. Credit that to it being open source, I suppose, but so often we see these useful tools just kill themselves trying to keep fresh.
 
2020-10-24 8:00:26 AM  
I use it as I have an audio subscription service but the mp3 player I use is file based. So I built a playlist and downloaded using it.
 
2020-10-24 8:01:03 AM  

rikkards: I use it as I have an audio subscription service but the mp3 player I use is file based. So I built a playlist and downloaded using it.


Use *for running*
 
2020-10-24 8:22:27 AM  

BitwiseShift: I use it to download riaa takedown notices.


and set them to music.
 
2020-10-24 8:29:03 AM  

Snukastyle: The ghost of a cartoon character who with the what now?
[Fark user image 850x636]


He needs a pinstripe suit.
 
2020-10-24 8:49:49 AM  
I buy music if I like it a lot. However if somebody puts out an extremely limited edition album and I can't get hold of a track by legal means, and it's been posted on YouTube, I'm gonna get it.

Then I buy hundreds of dollars of merch from the artiste as penance.
 
2020-10-24 9:13:36 AM  

mongbiohazard: Good luck with that.

Regardless of whether they're right or not, if they're going to try and get a simple utility made inaccessible they're fighting a futile battle from the start. For one, the utility itself is always available a billion other places - if it wasn't already - in moments. For another, there will always be new tools popping up which do the same thing - often even better - when these kind of battles get waged. There's plenty of others out there already that pretty much do the same thing. I have one installed right now. Good luck whacking down all the moles.

Right or wrong, it's an unwinnable battle.


The danger is that it could be upheld in court that ephemeral CDN keys are considered copy protection, because they are meant to be used for one session to watch a video using the content provider's approved methods. Using any other program to download them is format-shifting, and if that becomes circumvention by this precedent, then all kinds of software could become illegal.
 
2020-10-24 9:26:39 AM  
They really need to win this and block these scoff laws from downloading an artists works. This is really nothing new.  I knew of a band back in the early 80s that I liked a lot.  They really kicked ass and instead of buying a tape, I dubbed one from a friend on my dad's dubbing deck.  I did this to a few other local band as well.  Its really too bad nobody go to hear what happened with Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Anthrax and others.  I wonder what their careers would have been without the evil copy right infringement of home taping. I apologized for contributing to their decline into obscurity.

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2020-10-24 9:36:53 AM  
And remember not to describe the football game you watched without the NFL's express written permission.
 
2020-10-24 9:48:42 AM  
The funny thing is this takedown notice has Streisand'ed this project with a bunch of forks all sprouting out of the ground. One of them has removed all the copyright "infringement", but since this is git and retains the history anyone could simply squash merge it back in again.
 
2020-10-24 10:04:16 AM  

Egalitarian: I buy music if I like it a lot. However if somebody puts out an extremely limited edition album and I can't get hold of a track by legal means, and it's been posted on YouTube, I'm gonna get it.

Then I buy hundreds of dollars of merch from the artiste as penance.


exactly. Things like this are useful for your out of print stuff, the rare live concert (when the beastie boys final show was posted for ONE WEEKEND ONLY recently, damn straight I immediately downloaded the thing).

Eventually youtube will completely revamp their system to stop some of us from blocking ads and doing things like this.  but until then i'm gonna enjoy it.
 
2020-10-24 10:19:16 AM  
Bookmark!
 
2020-10-24 11:41:23 AM  
Is there a reliable and secure method to do the same thing consistently with facebook videos?
 
2020-10-24 11:42:03 AM  
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2020-10-24 11:46:57 AM  

Joe USer: The Wayback Machine still links to all the files. It's not like it's going away.

Also, while we're at it, this is DMCA abuse. The RIAA doesn't own the copyright to youtube-dl and they don't get to determine that the tool is used only for infringing of copyright, that's for the courts to decide.


Wayback shows a 403 access forbidden error.
Here's a link to their downloads; the dev repository is offline though.
https://youtube-dl.org/
 
2020-10-24 11:54:34 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: The comments are an example of the Streisand Effect. One shows one of the ways to use VLC.

1. Copy youtube URL
2. Open VLC, click media -> open network stream, paste URL, click play
3. Click Tools -> media information
4. Copy everything from the Location field at the bottom
5. Past this new URL into your browser. This will start the video streaming in your browser
6. Select the download or save file option in your browser and save the resulting .mp4 file

If I'm not mistaken, VLC can just save the stream directly to a file.


Hey man, you posted the exact same message on slashdot! Cheers, brother
 
2020-10-24 11:57:07 AM  
Just
Stop
Buying Music

Just for a month.

Problem solved.

#DefundGreedyMusicians
 
2020-10-24 11:58:27 AM  

swahnhennessy: To me, the most amazing thing about VLC is that they haven't destroyed it with pointless upgrades and add-ons after all this time. Credit that to it being open source, I suppose, but so often we see these useful tools just kill themselves trying to keep fresh.


Yes! That's because it is a teaching-tool developed by a European university. The point of it is to write software correctly, which is anathema to closed-source
 
2020-10-24 12:05:12 PM  
The government will continue trying to ban encryption, and Hollywood will continue to try renting content that's been spewed freely across the multiverse.

They both need to be slapped silly for it.  Because they'll never stop, and it feels good to hit someone now and then.
 
2020-10-24 12:18:09 PM  
 
2020-10-24 12:42:45 PM  

mongbiohazard: Good luck with that.

Regardless of whether they're right or not, if they're going to try and get a simple utility made inaccessible they're fighting a futile battle from the start. For one, the utility itself is always available a billion other places - if it wasn't already - in moments. For another, there will always be new tools popping up which do the same thing - often even better - when these kind of battles get waged. There's plenty of others out there already that pretty much do the same thing. I have one installed right now. Good luck whacking down all the moles.

Right or wrong, it's an unwinnable battle.


Hold on a minute there, skip. Look to the successes of history. They shut down Napster, and that totally killed online piracy and filesharing dead.  How long has it been since anyone was able to watch a movie they didn't buy a ticket for?
Exactly.
Ex Act Ly
 
2020-10-24 1:14:38 PM  

yellowjester: [online-tech-tips.com image 508x367]


AGPTEK is nice. I got their walkman/iPod thing years ago, it's quite awesome and weighs about as much as a nickel. Older version of this, with a 128GB micro card :

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Had a Sony player before that that sucked.
 
2020-10-24 1:31:06 PM  

macadamnut: yellowjester: [online-tech-tips.com image 508x367]

AGPTEK is nice. I got their walkman/iPod thing years ago, it's quite awesome and weighs about as much as a nickel. Older version of this, with a 128GB micro card :

[Fark user image 425x425]

Had a Sony player before that that sucked.


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I'm a big fan of the sandisk players. always around 25 bucks, you can use them daily for years before the battery will really start to bite the dust.   The attached clip makes it easy to keep on the side of your pants & out of harms way when you're working out.

I know everyone uses the bluetooth headphones & their phones, but man I am not interested in carrying my phone while working out and risking damaging the thing.
 
2020-10-24 1:47:00 PM  

Neondistraction: VLC is such an amazing piece of software.  It seems there's no limit to cool shiat it can do.


It is. The one thing I haven't been able to do with is stream the subtitles along with the video to my Chromecast.

RE: YouTube downloading

When I have to teach a class, you're damn sure I download the videos I want to show. Ain't nobody got time for the antics of a bunch of young adolescents when their IT teacher of all people can't get the internet in the classroom working.

/ not a teacher currently
// trained as one
/// same principle applies to workshops for adults
 
2020-10-24 1:52:20 PM  
My sympathies certainly don't lie with people who'd sue you for singing in the shower if they could. I'm sure some day in near-future we'll be told we have to pay licensing fees for remembering a song.
 
2020-10-24 2:38:28 PM  

GitOffaMyLawn: Simple question: How is this different than DVR / tape / etc?


Who is worth more money: Sony, RCA, Hollywood, or whomever made the program?
 
2020-10-24 2:57:38 PM  

Any Pie Left: Is there a reliable and secure method to do the same thing consistently with facebook videos?


youtube-dl works on facebook, or at least it did the last time I used it about a month ago.
 
2020-10-24 3:08:25 PM  

drxym: The funny thing is this takedown notice has Streisand'ed this project with a bunch of forks all sprouting out of the ground. One of them has removed all the copyright "infringement", but since this is git and retains the history anyone could simply squash merge it back in again.


Good, the original dev was a bit of a jerk.

One of the biggest flaws in youtube-dl is it has a hard time determining the best available video quality. The dev was fine with just trusting the website's DASH formats listing, which can lie for the sake of saving bandwidth or can promote dubious codecs, e.g. refusing to tag H.264 with "BEST" because your user agent header said you're on Linux and it's just not possible for someone running Linux to have legal H.264 support in their browser amirite?

For a while he was getting new bug reports every week due to one or another website doing shenanigans with their format listing, and finally he just adopted a policy of instantly closing any bug reports about the quality selection.

Someone was maintaining a list of per-site quality setting overrides, I need to find them again.
 
2020-10-24 6:50:37 PM  

WalkingSedgwick: Joe USer: The Wayback Machine still links to all the files. It's not like it's going away.

Also, while we're at it, this is DMCA abuse. The RIAA doesn't own the copyright to youtube-dl and they don't get to determine that the tool is used only for infringing of copyright, that's for the courts to decide.

Microsoft (which owns Github) is completely at fault for honoring a DMCA takedown order that is, as you say, procedurally invalid.

Regardless, Youtube-DL development should move to a Chinese, or Russian, platform as the likelihood of them abiding by the DMCA isn't very high.


It's also how you guarantee that a bunch of people will end up with versions of youtube-dl that are nothing but malware containers. If you think that anything Russian or Chinese isn't 100% open to those governments you are a fool. There is nothing hosted in China or Russia that isn't compromised by their governments. I would bet every single penny I make in my entire life on that. The US is terrible for privacy but compared to China and Russia the US is a beacon of freedom from spying by the government. We are nowhere near as good as the EU on those subjects but we are millions of miles ahead of the Chinese and Russian governments and their tech agencies.

For the people who can download and compile from code that's not a problem. But for the 99.999% of pc users who don't know a single thing about programming that isn't an option. They are going to want an installer or a version that can be run without installing. That means that on a compromised server the legit installer can be replaced. Don't start on MD5 checksums because not very many people know how to check or are willing to learn.

How about we elect some people here in the US that will fix things instead of relying on shiatty compromised servers in countries who are actively and openly assassinating their political opponents.
 
2020-10-24 8:02:26 PM  

Any Pie Left: Is there a reliable and secure method to do the same thing consistently with facebook videos?


Despite its name, youtube-dl wasn't just for YouTube.

$ youtube-dl --list-extractors | wc -l
1163


The list is 1163 sites long and starts at whatever 1tv is/was and goes to whatever Zype is/was. Failbook, Twatter, You-uh, might want to use lube instead of watching the Tube, they're all there. If you throw an arbitrary URL at the script, it'll probably return something useful.
 
2020-10-24 8:34:08 PM  

Wesdog: WalkingSedgwick: Joe USer: The Wayback Machine still links to all the files. It's not like it's going away.

Also, while we're at it, this is DMCA abuse. The RIAA doesn't own the copyright to youtube-dl and they don't get to determine that the tool is used only for infringing of copyright, that's for the courts to decide.

Microsoft (which owns Github) is completely at fault for honoring a DMCA takedown order that is, as you say, procedurally invalid.

Regardless, Youtube-DL development should move to a Chinese, or Russian, platform as the likelihood of them abiding by the DMCA isn't very high.

It's also how you guarantee that a bunch of people will end up with versions of youtube-dl that are nothing but malware containers. If you think that anything Russian or Chinese isn't 100% open to those governments you are a fool. There is nothing hosted in China or Russia that isn't compromised by their governments. I would bet every single penny I make in my entire life on that. The US is terrible for privacy but compared to China and Russia the US is a beacon of freedom from spying by the government. We are nowhere near as good as the EU on those subjects but we are millions of miles ahead of the Chinese and Russian governments and their tech agencies.

For the people who can download and compile from code that's not a problem. But for the 99.999% of pc users who don't know a single thing about programming that isn't an option. They are going to want an installer or a version that can be run without installing. That means that on a compromised server the legit installer can be replaced. Don't start on MD5 checksums because not very many people know how to check or are willing to learn.

How about we elect some people here in the US that will fix things instead of relying on shiatty compromised servers in countries who are actively and openly assassinating their political opponents.


sort of related, but Ulozto has been my go-to for finds outside of youtube for a long time.  i think its in czechloslovakia.
 
2020-10-24 9:22:35 PM  
Bravo, subby. Jack really was a POS.
 
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