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(Gizmodo)   If your 2020 bingo card includes 'no sea ice forming in the arctic' then you've just won a full house. Unfortunately, though, it's built on permafrost   (earther.gizmodo.com) divider line
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2020-10-23 8:41:50 PM  
Just sell the house and move.
SELL THE HOUSES TO WHO AQUAMAN?
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2020-10-23 8:56:06 PM  
Shipping companies, car manufacturers, and everyone else who needs to move stuff between Europe and China are ecstatic
 
2020-10-23 9:35:09 PM  
"Permafrost"
 
2020-10-23 9:48:02 PM  
This is the biggest Oh, Shart thing to date.
Global fisheries depend on that ecosystem working more-or-less correctly.
And a lot more things depend on that ecosystem than one might think.
Agriculture is the biggest one - if the monsoons fail just a few years in a row, that's something like 2B people starving.  US agriculture, too.
 
2020-10-23 10:33:45 PM  
This is where the feedback loop goes apeshiat.
 
2020-10-23 11:08:17 PM  
I would have voted for Joe Biden, but Trump made sense with his comments about liberals forcing me to tear down my home and put in small windows.
 
2020-10-23 11:38:28 PM  
As climatologists predicted over ten years ago.  Maybe we should listen to those guys.
 
2020-10-23 11:54:51 PM  
Give it time. Sometimes it can be late.
 
2020-10-24 12:18:42 AM  
The boomers are going to have the last laugh, aren't they?
 
2020-10-24 12:19:32 AM  
That cold must have all been sent here to Seattle. I'm freezing.
 
2020-10-24 12:20:00 AM  

Somaticasual: The boomers are going to have the last laugh, aren't they?


last gasp
 
2020-10-24 12:21:18 AM  

kdawg7736: Give it time. Sometimes it can be late.


If it's this late, it's too late.
 
2020-10-24 12:27:44 AM  
BINGO!! Holy shiat I got a BINGO!!

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2020-10-24 12:27:47 AM  

Flappyhead: As climatologists predicted over ten years ago.  Maybe we should listen to those guys.


Science is very anti american.
 
2020-10-24 12:31:18 AM  
"It's the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history" ...which started in 1979.
 
2020-10-24 12:34:18 AM  
Fortunately, everything will refreeze during the coming nuclear winter.
 
2020-10-24 12:41:27 AM  

Somaticasual: The boomers are going to have the last laugh, aren't they?


The boomers are busy dying of coronavirus.
 
2020-10-24 12:44:45 AM  
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2020-10-24 12:46:38 AM  

Dahnkster: I would have voted for Joe Biden, but Trump made sense with his comments about liberals forcing me to tear down my home and put in small windows.


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Is a life really worth living with small windows? What's a few polar bears.
 
2020-10-24 12:46:48 AM  

FunkJunkie: This is where the feedback loop goes apeshiat.


The world ocean conveyor (AMOC) is slowing down.
Carbon isn't mixing down into the colder deep water as much and oxygen near the surface (upper 700') is decreasing.
 
2020-10-24 1:01:45 AM  

WTP 2: "It's the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history" ...which started in 1979.


People were looking for a way to sail across the Arctic for a thousand years. There are records. Those attempts got increasingly well-equipped and thorough in the 19th and 20th centuries. Then in the early 21st century, open water suddenly shows up, first in the Northwest Passage along Canada, then in the Northeast Passage along Russia.

In 2020, the Northeast Passage is still open in late October.
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2020-10-24 1:04:23 AM  

Somaticasual: The boomers are going to have the last laugh, aren't they?


I'm 70 now. My generation is going to die in the nick of time.
 
2020-10-24 1:06:22 AM  

Algebrat: WTP 2: "It's the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history" ...which started in 1979.

People were looking for a way to sail across the Arctic for a thousand years. There are records. Those attempts got increasingly well-equipped and thorough in the 19th and 20th centuries. Then in the early 21st century, open water suddenly shows up, first in the Northwest Passage along Canada, then in the Northeast Passage along Russia.

In 2020, the Northeast Passage is still open in late October.
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Yabutt the records only go back to '79, there could have been no ice at all in '78 and nobody would've known about it!!

It's well known in the scientific community that ice just disappears and reappears at it's leisure so drill baby drill!
 
2020-10-24 1:09:08 AM  
Once I saw how 30-50% of our country reacted with denial, stigginit, and conspiracy theories in the face of the directly observable cause-and-effect relationship of a virus that has overwhelmed hospitals and can infect people and kill them weeks later...

Any hope that a majority of us can even handle the more complex concept of human-induced climate change is a pipe dream.  They'll call it a liberal hoax while simultaneously cheering it as God's punishment as coastal cities become submerged...
 
2020-10-24 1:17:20 AM  
This thread is now a metaphor for the sudden blissful silence that will descend over the planet when the most obnoxious species on its face finally drives itself to extinction.
 
2020-10-24 1:17:24 AM  

Hoobajube: Once I saw how 30-50% of our country reacted with denial, stigginit, and conspiracy theories in the face of the directly observable cause-and-effect relationship of a virus that has overwhelmed hospitals and can infect people and kill them weeks later...

Any hope that a majority of us can even handle the more complex concept of human-induced climate change is a pipe dream.  They'll call it a liberal hoax while simultaneously cheering it as God's punishment as coastal cities become submerged...


NC outlawed making policies based on research of coastal changes that they didn't like.

That'll stop the Outer Banks from being swallowed by the ocean!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2​0​18/sep/12/north-carolina-didnt-like-sc​ience-on-sea-levels-so-passed-a-law-ag​ainst-it
 
2020-10-24 1:19:13 AM  

Boo_Guy: Hoobajube: Once I saw how 30-50% of our country reacted with denial, stigginit, and conspiracy theories in the face of the directly observable cause-and-effect relationship of a virus that has overwhelmed hospitals and can infect people and kill them weeks later...

Any hope that a majority of us can even handle the more complex concept of human-induced climate change is a pipe dream.  They'll call it a liberal hoax while simultaneously cheering it as God's punishment as coastal cities become submerged...

NC outlawed making policies based on research of coastal changes that they didn't like.

That'll stop the Outer Banks from being swallowed by the ocean!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20​18/sep/12/north-carolina-didnt-like-sc​ience-on-sea-levels-so-passed-a-law-ag​ainst-it


That's littoral insanity!
 
2020-10-24 1:21:25 AM  
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2020-10-24 1:23:44 AM  
Fun Fact: Many houses in Alaska are built on top of a layer of gravel so heat from the structure doesn't melt the permafrost underneath and wreck the foundation.
 
2020-10-24 1:23:59 AM  
I've gotten some great buys on Mammoth tusks for guitar saddles and bridges.  All this melting has exposed some good remains, so it's not all bad.
 
2020-10-24 1:27:27 AM  
So, uhm, this is where the feedback loops becomes infinite right? Not 20-40 years from now, right now. So, nothing we can do to stop it now, we need to adjust to planning on how to handle the inevitable.
 
2020-10-24 1:28:48 AM  
NOT COOL PEOPLE! NOT COOL!
 
2020-10-24 1:29:57 AM  

kdawg7736: Give it time. Sometimes it can be late.


We're not talking about a torn condom and a mistress here...
 
2020-10-24 1:35:19 AM  

Boo_Guy: Hoobajube: Once I saw how 30-50% of our country reacted with denial, stigginit, and conspiracy theories in the face of the directly observable cause-and-effect relationship of a virus that has overwhelmed hospitals and can infect people and kill them weeks later...

Any hope that a majority of us can even handle the more complex concept of human-induced climate change is a pipe dream.  They'll call it a liberal hoax while simultaneously cheering it as God's punishment as coastal cities become submerged...

NC outlawed making policies based on research of coastal changes that they didn't like.

That'll stop the Outer Banks from being swallowed by the ocean!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20​18/sep/12/north-carolina-didnt-like-sc​ience-on-sea-levels-so-passed-a-law-ag​ainst-it


Insurance companies haven't though. I suspect long before the governments get their shiat together, it will be insurance that will force most to face reality.
 
2020-10-24 1:40:26 AM  

astelmaszek: Boo_Guy: Hoobajube: Once I saw how 30-50% of our country reacted with denial, stigginit, and conspiracy theories in the face of the directly observable cause-and-effect relationship of a virus that has overwhelmed hospitals and can infect people and kill them weeks later...

Any hope that a majority of us can even handle the more complex concept of human-induced climate change is a pipe dream.  They'll call it a liberal hoax while simultaneously cheering it as God's punishment as coastal cities become submerged...

NC outlawed making policies based on research of coastal changes that they didn't like.

That'll stop the Outer Banks from being swallowed by the ocean!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20​18/sep/12/north-carolina-didnt-like-sc​ience-on-sea-levels-so-passed-a-law-ag​ainst-it

Insurance companies haven't though. I suspect long before the governments get their shiat together, it will be insurance that will force most to face reality.


They are rich people, the government will bail them out if the insurance companies don't.
 
2020-10-24 1:43:07 AM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: That cold must have all been sent here to Seattle. I'm freezing.


Quit being a pussy
 
2020-10-24 1:44:22 AM  

farkingismybusiness: Just sell the house and move.
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2020-10-24 1:55:50 AM  

Flappyhead: As climatologists predicted over ten years ago.  Maybe we should listen to those guys.


You're asking too much. We literally ignore people who say "disease is bad".
 
2020-10-24 2:03:06 AM  

crackizzle: So, uhm, this is where the feedback loops becomes infinite right? Not 20-40 years from now, right now. So, nothing we can do to stop it now, we need to adjust to planning on how to handle the inevitable.


It went infinite over five years ago, we just didn't realize it because we were badly underestimating the amount of compressed biomass in the permafrost.
 
2020-10-24 2:04:06 AM  

Algebrat: This thread is now a metaphor for the sudden blissful silence that will descend over the planet when the most obnoxious species on its face finally drives itself to extinction.


Probably the most haunting thing about Horizon: Zero Dawn was

[SPOILERS]

all the message board posts you find that were being made as the Earth was overrun by a rogue swarm of self-replicating war robots over the course of some months, wiping out all life. Gallows humor, sober calculations, speculation, hope.

I think about it every time there's some fairly awful event or prediction and I'm reading a message board about it.
 
2020-10-24 2:48:48 AM  

astelmaszek: Boo_Guy: Hoobajube: Once I saw how 30-50% of our country reacted with denial, stigginit, and conspiracy theories in the face of the directly observable cause-and-effect relationship of a virus that has overwhelmed hospitals and can infect people and kill them weeks later...

Any hope that a majority of us can even handle the more complex concept of human-induced climate change is a pipe dream.  They'll call it a liberal hoax while simultaneously cheering it as God's punishment as coastal cities become submerged...

NC outlawed making policies based on research of coastal changes that they didn't like.

That'll stop the Outer Banks from being swallowed by the ocean!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20​18/sep/12/north-carolina-didnt-like-sc​ience-on-sea-levels-so-passed-a-law-ag​ainst-it

Insurance companies haven't though. I suspect long before the governments get their shiat together, it will be insurance that will force most to face reality.


It's already happening in CA.  Insurers and banks are drawing green lines on maps that delineate fire-prone areas.  Insurers are either not writing fire policies for buildings in the area or hiking premiums tremendously.  Some banks aren't issuing construction loans or mortgages for projects there.  The CA Insurance Commissioner is trying to convene a working group of insurers to create a standard set of fire mitigation measures that homeowners must take in those areas to remain insurable as an alternative to those insurers leaving CA altogether.
 
2020-10-24 3:00:18 AM  

Flappyhead: As climatologists predicted over ten years ago.  Maybe we should listen to those guys.


Too late now.
 
2020-10-24 3:01:16 AM  

fallingcow: Algebrat: This thread is now a metaphor for the sudden blissful silence that will descend over the planet when the most obnoxious species on its face finally drives itself to extinction.

Probably the most haunting thing about Horizon: Zero Dawn was

[SPOILERS]

all the message board posts you find that were being made as the Earth was overrun by a rogue swarm of self-replicating war robots over the course of some months, wiping out all life. Gallows humor, sober calculations, speculation, hope.

I think about it every time there's some fairly awful event or prediction and I'm reading a message board about it.


Yeesh, that sent a chill down my spine. Alright nerds, if we're going down, I'm glad for our time together. Before you go to bed tonight, remember to hug your child, dog, or war robot.

/don't try to hug your cat if you want to wake up with eyes in the morning
 
2020-10-24 3:41:27 AM  

crackizzle: So, uhm, this is where the feedback loops becomes infinite right? Not 20-40 years from now, right now. So, nothing we can do to stop it now, we need to adjust to planning on how to handle the inevitable.


We should have been planning for this for the past 15-20 years.
 
2020-10-24 4:19:51 AM  

Somaticasual: The boomers are going to have the last laugh, aren't they?


They killed us all. For their personal profit and convenience.
 
2020-10-24 4:24:12 AM  

xerge: Somaticasual: The boomers are going to have the last laugh, aren't they?

They killed us all. For their personal profit and convenience.


In fairness, we probably deserved it because we liked skateboards or avocado toast or something.
 
2020-10-24 4:32:07 AM  

NotARocketScientist: crackizzle: So, uhm, this is where the feedback loops becomes infinite right? Not 20-40 years from now, right now. So, nothing we can do to stop it now, we need to adjust to planning on how to handle the inevitable.

We should have been planning for this for the past 15-20 years.


We should have been acting to avert this for the past 15-20 years. And what we need to be doing now is acting to avert the worst case scenarios, because there ARE much worse versions of "bad" that we theoretically can avoid.
 
2020-10-24 5:20:26 AM  

Dahnkster: I would have voted for Joe Biden, but Trump made sense with his comments about liberals forcing me to tear down my home and put in small windows.


Permafrost politically is permastupidity.
Ours melted ~ 4 years ago and is now represented by mushy brained individuals who are considering re-electing president cancer windmills.
 
2020-10-24 6:18:17 AM  

NotARocketScientist: crackizzle: So, uhm, this is where the feedback loops becomes infinite right? Not 20-40 years from now, right now. So, nothing we can do to stop it now, we need to adjust to planning on how to handle the inevitable.

We should have been planning for this for the past 15-20 years.


What's teeth-grindingly irritating is that a large number of climate change believers didn't want to plan for what was coming, because that would mean giving up on the idea that we could "FIX IT".

Oh yeah, I've been running into those fools on and off since the 1980s. "We can't talk about survival because that means we've accepted that we can't stop it!" for everything from climate change to nuclear war. Goddamn idealists...
 
2020-10-24 7:42:10 AM  

smunns: I've gotten some great buys on Mammoth tusks for guitar saddles and bridges.  All this melting has exposed some good remains, so it's not all bad.


Seen Season One of Fortitude yet?

:)
 
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