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(Medical Xpress)   Red meat and dairy are definitively linked to cancer. Fish and fowl are okay. Farkers are seen weeping over their plates of bacon, giving the side eye to okra   (medicalxpress.com) divider line
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2020-10-23 7:14:24 PM  
Bacon is white meat
 
2020-10-23 7:18:48 PM  
So long as tobacco smoke and cocaine are ok, I'll be just fine.

/Aw fark, just googled it.
 
2020-10-23 7:21:06 PM  
What if I employ a strict regimen of THC intake to saturate my system with anti-cancer-causing agents? I vape and I can do a half-ounce a week if I put my...my.....something to it.

What were we talking about again?
 
2020-10-23 7:22:47 PM  

kudayta: So long as tobacco smoke and cocaine are ok, I'll be just fine.

/Aw fark, just googled it.


Mix some pot in with that to nullify the effects of the tobacco. You'll live to be a hundred.
 
2020-10-23 7:31:06 PM  
MY COLD CANCER RIDDEN HANDS!
 
2020-10-23 7:40:20 PM  
 Okra, tomatoes and grilled corn  cooked up with a little bit of  bacon or ham fat. You drain most of the fat off and you got a rippen side dish.

I like okra and I can not lie.
I also like greens. Except for collard greens.  We eat them all the time when in season.

Cheese, we like it and I dare you to try and pry that out of our hands.


The incorporation of red meat and dairy has shaped our evolutionary history. For the better and the worse.
Everything is a trade off.
 
2020-10-23 7:47:34 PM  
I'm ok with this and my decision was made a long time ago.  If I die from eating red meat then, well, I die. Not giving up my yoghurt either.
 
2020-10-23 7:48:02 PM  

ginandbacon: MY COLD CANCER RIDDEN HANDS!


Well, there is the short and sweet of it.  :)
 
2020-10-23 7:55:51 PM  

buckwebb: I'm ok with this and my decision was made a long time ago.  If I die from eating red meat then, well, I die. Not giving up my yoghurt either.


I'm with ya, but you probably don't need to worry about the yogurt.
 
2020-10-23 8:54:27 PM  
cell phones
microwaves
plastic
paint
asbestos

I'm starting to think the game is rigged, we are all going to die, and instead of doing any real work they just say "Well, there you go, it's Cancer!" and just move on.

You never hear of people dying of consumption or hardening of the arteries anymore.  No money in it.
 
2020-10-23 8:58:32 PM  
Joke's on you!

Beef Magazine says you're wrong:

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2020-10-23 9:06:56 PM  
Reverend Horton Heat - Eat Steak
Youtube wQynViAF6Ds
 
2020-10-23 9:12:30 PM  
Cancer it is.
 
2020-10-23 9:12:37 PM  

PainInTheASP: buckwebb: I'm ok with this and my decision was made a long time ago.  If I die from eating red meat then, well, I die. Not giving up my yoghurt either.

I'm with ya, but you probably don't need to worry about the yogurt.


Based on what?
 
2020-10-23 9:57:39 PM  
Cocaine comes from plants. It's organic!

isn't it?
 
2020-10-23 10:48:29 PM  
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you gave me cancer, milkman dan
 
2020-10-23 10:53:03 PM  

lindalouwho: PainInTheASP: buckwebb: I'm ok with this and my decision was made a long time ago.  If I die from eating red meat then, well, I die. Not giving up my yoghurt either.

I'm with ya, but you probably don't need to worry about the yogurt.

Based on what?


Scienticians.
 
2020-10-23 11:15:35 PM  

PainInTheASP: lindalouwho: PainInTheASP: buckwebb: I'm ok with this and my decision was made a long time ago.  If I die from eating red meat then, well, I die. Not giving up my yoghurt either.

I'm with ya, but you probably don't need to worry about the yogurt.

Based on what?

Scienticians.


That article is older, but I hope you're right. I've been eating mostly non-fat Greek yogurt every day for almost 10 years because I don't have a colon.
I see my gastro doc in a couple of months and he's the head of research for that department, I'll see what he says. This study is preliminary, anyways.
 
2020-10-23 11:42:01 PM  
What doesn't cause cancer these days?
 
2020-10-23 11:42:05 PM  
You may live longer, but at what cost?
 
2020-10-23 11:42:12 PM  
Too much of anything is bad. Moderation is the key to everything.
 
2020-10-23 11:44:05 PM  
fish is full of mercury and pollution.

chicken is full of growth hormone and preservative.

thanks to big business food isn't fit to eat, there are no politicians worth voting for, and cars are too expensive.
 
2020-10-23 11:45:02 PM  
Remember - when you see an article like this, read the original (at https://www.pnas.org/content/112/2/54​2). From their conclusion (emphasis mine):

There are limitations in directly comparing this mouse study and the human situation. Unlike the case in humans, there was a single dietary source of Neu5Gc that was not varied in intake and the antibody production was not sustained throughout the lifetime of the animal. Also, the target organ for the adenoma-to-carcinoma sequence was the liver, not the colon. The obvious question arising from such experimental mouse studies is whether circulating anti-Neu5Gc antibodies correlate with cancer risk in human population studies. We are currently exploring this possibility, but we are also aware of the numerous complicating variables in humans, such as the varying amount and unknown bioavailability of Neu5Gc from dietary red meat, the amount of Neu5Gc tissue loading in benign and malignant tissues, the complex and variable polyclonal antibody profiles of individual humans, the skewed distribution of antibody levels within populations, the possibility that very high antibody levels can inhibit tumor progression (18), and the variability of concurrent inflammatory conditions.
Further work is also necessary to determine the exact pathways by which Neu5Gc is taken up into tissues, and potential approaches to prevent or eliminate such incorporation are being explored. The current findings indicate that this unique example of xenosialitis driven by a dietary glycan is pathologically relevant and may be involved in inflammation-driven diseases that are known to be associated with red meat consumption, including carcinomas.
 
2020-10-23 11:46:05 PM  
Read "we found a direct correlation in mice, and we think that may matter even though the mechanism is different, the affected organs are different, and that there's no comfortable way to determine if a useful comparison can even be made."
 
2020-10-23 11:46:14 PM  
If you tell me to eat okra or die painfully, I'll ask how painfully.
 
2020-10-23 11:50:59 PM  
You can have my steak when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
 
2020-10-23 11:52:01 PM  
I've told my friends that I'd feel like a fool lying in that hospital dying of nothing ..
 
2020-10-23 11:53:09 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: [Fark user image 764x336]

you gave me cancer, milkman dan


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2020-10-23 11:59:05 PM  
I've seen what happens to elderly members of my family, so pass the cheesy beef burritos damnit!  I'll take cancer over dementia any day
 
2020-10-23 11:59:13 PM  

Dodo David: You can have my steak when you pry it from my blue, rare hands.


FTFY
 
2020-10-23 11:59:27 PM  
Listen, subby, I NEED these things right now. I don't need you taking this from me right now. This slice of cheese is going on this burger as a late-night meal before my ten hour shift tomorrow, and you are going to say "good job."
 
2020-10-24 12:00:14 AM  

FormlessOne: Read "we found a direct correlation in mice, and we think that may matter even though the mechanism is different, the affected organs are different, and that there's no comfortable way to determine if a useful comparison can even be made."


Have they tried allowing human subjects to recline on a sofa? Sofas are comfortable. In a humidity and temperature controlled environment. That's what I've read, anyways. I wouldn't know from personal experience. Every time I afford a sofa, powerful forces conspire and combine to take it away. I don't wonder if your username doesn't have something to do with that, now that I think about it. Why would anything formless possess integrality? How do you think you are, anyways?
 
2020-10-24 12:01:49 AM  
Bacon is neither red meat nor dairy.

I'm a vegetarian and I know that.
 
2020-10-24 12:08:42 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Cocaine comes from plants. It's organic!

isn't it?


Carbon atom says yes
to another bump
 
2020-10-24 12:09:14 AM  
Cancer - Joe Jackson
Youtube EM2MGN_w4sU

At least enjoy some funky Joe Jackson while contemplating your mortality.
 
2020-10-24 12:09:34 AM  
Your dog wants chemotherapy.
 
2020-10-24 12:10:44 AM  
similar to the link between high cholesterol and an increased risk of heart disease

And that's where this bullsh*t study falls apart. High blood cholesterol has very little to do with diet.
 
2020-10-24 12:11:21 AM  

FormlessOne: www.pnas.org


That's a pnas dot gif
 
2020-10-24 12:11:39 AM  

whatshisname: similar to the link between high cholesterol and an increased risk of heart disease

And that's where this bullsh*t study falls apart. High blood cholesterol has very little to do with diet.


I have it on good authority that animal fats reduce LDL levels.
 
2020-10-24 12:16:53 AM  

FormlessOne: Remember - when you see an article like this, read the original (at https://www.pnas.org/content/112/2/542​). From their conclusion (emphasis mine):

There are limitations in directly comparing this mouse study and the human situation. Unlike the case in humans, there was a single dietary source of Neu5Gc that was not varied in intake and the antibody production was not sustained throughout the lifetime of the animal. Also, the target organ for the adenoma-to-carcinoma sequence was the liver, not the colon. The obvious question arising from such experimental mouse studies is whether circulating anti-Neu5Gc antibodies correlate with cancer risk in human population studies. We are currently exploring this possibility, but we are also aware of the numerous complicating variables in humans, such as the varying amount and unknown bioavailability of Neu5Gc from dietary red meat, the amount of Neu5Gc tissue loading in benign and malignant tissues, the complex and variable polyclonal antibody profiles of individual humans, the skewed distribution of antibody levels within populations, the possibility that very high antibody levels can inhibit tumor progression (18), and the variability of concurrent inflammatory conditions.
Further work is also necessary to determine the exact pathways by which Neu5Gc is taken up into tissues, and potential approaches to prevent or eliminate such incorporation are being explored. The current findings indicate that this unique example of xenosialitis driven by a dietary glycan is pathologically relevant and may be involved in inflammation-driven diseases that are known to be associated with red meat consumption, including carcinomas.


Another thing I found interesting about that was, it referred to dairy, mainly dairy from a cow, and tfa kept saying cheese.
 
2020-10-24 12:18:41 AM  
Eating animal flesh destroys the environment and shortens your life. These aren't exactly secrets; people who insist on a flesh-forward diet in light of these facts are no different than smokers in the late 1990s. "Well, yeah, but what do farking scientists know?!
Shame we can't adjust health insurance premiums to cover this. In a just world people would pay the full cost of their bad lifestyle choices rather than fobbing off the cost on the rest of us.
 
2020-10-24 12:22:06 AM  
Sources say the new series of Tumors, named Awesomeness, represent a fundamental shift in how cancer is both recognized *and* respected...
 
2020-10-24 12:23:04 AM  
If you're eating healthy otherwise but you have a steak and one or two cured-meat (another probable fairly-serious carcinogen) sandwiches with a little cheese every week, you're still way better off than people eating the SAD.

Straight-up junk food's a killer and it's a lot of the American diet. Look how much goddamn soda we drink. That shiat's poison, in the quantities we consume it. Milk shakes. Potato chips. Fries. Shiatty fast-food fried chicken and burgers. Sugary pasta without enough veggies. Et c.

Don't worry about this other stuff unless you've all but completely cut out that garbage already.

But yeah if you're shooting for longevity and you're already eating almost no plain ol' crap, then you want vegetarian, pescatarian, or infrequent-meat diets, probably. High-meat is the next thing you might want to ditch if you've already dropped empty sugar & starch calories to near zero and reduced oil and milk fat intake to well under US norms, but if you haven't already done that then the meat's not really your biggest problem and you're likely on your way to metabolic disease, diabetes, strokes, and heart attacks before cancer gets you (which it still might, but you'll get that other fun stuff first)
 
2020-10-24 12:24:56 AM  
Life will kill ya.
 
2020-10-24 12:27:07 AM  
Eat what you farking like.
Like bacon? Eat bacon.
Like steak? Eat steak.
Like okra? Eat okra. (But what kind of weird freak are you?)
Life's too short to worry about the latest food related cancer study.

/long time vegetarian
//don't like meat
///or okra
 
2020-10-24 12:28:33 AM  

Shaggy_C: Eating animal flesh destroys the environment and shortens your life. These aren't exactly secrets; people who insist on a flesh-forward diet in light of these facts are no different than smokers in the late 1990s. "Well, yeah, but what do farking scientists know?!
Shame we can't adjust health insurance premiums to cover this. In a just world people would pay the full cost of their bad lifestyle choices rather than fobbing off the cost on the rest of us.


Weird, I could have sworn that razing millions of acres of native habitat, killing thousands of insects, native animals and flora and replacing it with a single crop. Spraying said crops with herbicides and pesticides that eventually leech into the the groundwater, was GREAT for the environment.

/is it lonely up there on your high horse?
//of course commercialized meat farming is terrible for environment
///but your vegetarian utopia has it's own set of issues on a larger scale (just like the meat!)
 
2020-10-24 12:55:53 AM  

bborchar: What doesn't cause cancer these days?


Abortion?

(i'm not a doctor, this is a guess)
 
2020-10-24 12:57:05 AM  
Can you start a Gofundme for an impending cancer diagnosis?

/asking for a friend.
 
2020-10-24 1:02:51 AM  
Not gonna lie: properly fried okra is so, SO good.

/but I still love me some roast beef
 
2020-10-24 1:14:12 AM  
Man, why you gotta fark with my fromage?
 
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