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2020-10-23 6:11:09 PM  
Charlie Finley, owner of the KC/Oakland A's from 1960 to 1980 had many ideas that were laughed at and not used in baseball.  Two that did stick around were the DH and week day World Series games in prime time to take advantage of television revenue.  IIRC, the World Series is all night games now.

Some of those bad ideas were color coded bases, lime-green baseballs for night games and a few other things I forgot.  He also had Monday night double headers and ½ off admission for straight A students that applied to all regular season games.
 
2020-10-23 6:13:13 PM  
Good
 
2020-10-23 8:03:01 PM  
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2020-10-23 8:47:03 PM  
No DH good.
 
2020-10-23 9:33:36 PM  
Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager. More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.
 
2020-10-23 9:54:14 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.


And a guy hitting a pop fly to the second baseman is almost always an out too, except sometimes this happens

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and it's farking awesome.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager.


So let's have a game with 15 pitching changes. About not seeing the manager...you were saying?

More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.

Fine if you can stay up 'til 12:45 in the morning to watch some 14-11 gopherballfest, but some of us are employed. Others are so selfish as to consider that they have kids who might enjoy the game.
 
2020-10-23 10:40:51 PM  
Real pitchers hit.  They don't rely on a DH.  And, yeah, chicks did the long ball.

1999 Nike Commercial: Glavine & Maddux (Chicks Dig the Longball)
Youtube UjkuJPvMrI8
 
2020-10-23 10:47:24 PM  

Gulper Eel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

And a guy hitting a pop fly to the second baseman is almost always an out too, except sometimes this happens

[Fark user image 850x566]
and it's farking awesome.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager.

So let's have a game with 15 pitching changes. About not seeing the manager...you were saying?

More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.

Fine if you can stay up 'til 12:45 in the morning to watch some 14-11 gopherballfest, but some of us are employed. Others are so selfish as to consider that they have kids who might enjoy the game.


Your last sentences reminded me of this game.  I didn't stay up to watch it all, but I remember it being all over the news the next day.

Braves vs. Mets July 4, 1985 "The Rick Camp Game"
Youtube RcZIs1tIGlg
 
2020-10-24 12:24:06 AM  
No DH? GOOD. Fark the DH. That is all.
 
2020-10-24 12:37:53 AM  
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No DH?
/approves
 
2020-10-24 12:38:43 AM  
"The Stupid Effing Designated Hitter" was the name of an Air Supply tribute band that I played accordion for back in college.
 
2020-10-24 12:50:51 AM  
https://www.sportscasting.com/a-fishin​g-trip-cost-the-national-league-the-de​signated-hitter-rule/
 
2020-10-24 12:54:44 AM  

Gulper Eel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

And a guy hitting a pop fly to the second baseman is almost always an out too, except sometimes this happens

[Fark user image image 850x566]
and it's farking awesome.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager.

So let's have a game with 15 pitching changes. About not seeing the manager...you were saying?

More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.

Fine if you can stay up 'til 12:45 in the morning to watch some 14-11 gopherballfest, but some of us are employed. Others are so selfish as to consider that they have kids who might enjoy the game.


2004 ALCS Game 4: David Ortiz walk off home run
Youtube opT6c3Ke_2E

So you're admitting that the pitcher is basically an automatic out except in incredibly unusual circumstances?

Give me the DH & moments like this every time.
 
2020-10-24 12:55:27 AM  
The stupid Fark filter injected some non-printing multibyte characters in that URL so if you copy and paste, or right-click and "Open link", it won't work.

Just google "national league dh 1980"
 
2020-10-24 1:19:10 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager. More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.


This decision has nothing to do with anything you wrote, rather about the owners not wanting to give concessions to the players.

FTA: "The union and MLB would have to expand it to both leagues through bargaining."
 
2020-10-24 1:28:09 AM  
Designated hitter = designated Hitler. Yeah, I went there. I managed to Godwin a baseball thread.
 
2020-10-24 2:38:14 AM  
Bah.  Call me when they bring back the deadball and outlaw gloves.
 
2020-10-24 4:02:58 AM  

Flappyhead: Bah.  Call me when they bring back the deadball and outlaw gloves.


And let batters call for a high or low pitch. Plus the pitchers have to throw underhanded. And a walk is 8 balls. Also no substitutions. And no games on Sundays, you heathens!
 
2020-10-24 5:24:05 AM  
NL Master Race people are the PC Master Race people of sports.

/double switch
//90 feet at a time
///falls asleep, smashes forehead on seat in front of me
 
2020-10-24 5:59:37 AM  
despite being adamantly opposed to the DH, I'll admit I haven't noticed the change much, though I blame that more on the weird season and distraction of 2020 in general. it's inevitable that it'll come to the NL for good and stupid to have different rules with rolling interleague games.

but enough with the ludicrous runner on 2nd in extras and 7-inning doubleheaders. I want to kick those right in the nuts.
 
2020-10-24 6:32:36 AM  
Not sure where subby's been but Abner Doubleday did not invent baseball.
 
2020-10-24 8:37:32 AM  
The DH should be in both leagues at this point. And I say that as someone who's been opposed to it for a long time; I'm tired of watching a guy at the plate who's entire job is either a) sacrifice bunt or b) swing wildly and hopefully accidentally get a hit.

virulent_loser: but enough with the ludicrous runner on 2nd in extras and 7-inning doubleheaders. I want to kick those right in the nuts.


The 7-inning doubleheaders I understood for this year; they were a necessary part of the super-compressed schedule. I don't mind them sticking around for the future if it means getting some *scheduled* doubleheaders; but if they won't do that, there's no reason to keep it around.

The runner on 2nd thing? I can live with it, but *ONLY* in, say, the 12th inning or later. The 10th and 11th innings should play out as normal; I would bet that the vast majority of extra inning games (in a normal year) finish up by then, anyway.
 
2020-10-24 8:39:32 AM  
I like the pitcher hitting, do think it adds a more interesting set of options than a DH.  I also grew up with a lot of pitchers' duels and gleefully watching Tony Gwynn fight off 10+ pitch at-bats.  It was like a cat playing with his prey.
 
2020-10-24 9:12:47 AM  
I finally figured it out, and the aforementioned Crash Davis helped.

You know what they have in the AL, but not the NL? Domes. Domes and artificial turf. And that's the sort of place that deserves a DH. Yeah, Arizona screwed it up, and should go back to grass, although I get why you wouldn't in Phoenix. And yeah, Milwaukee has a retractable roof- but at least that stadium just has heaters, not air conditioning.

But the NL's cathedrals tend to be fully outdoor, played on grass. Like God intended.

"Why wouldn't you play in a dome? The weather is always perfect. There's no wind. It never gets rained out, the sun never gets in a fielder's eyes on a pop fly, there are never weird late afternoon shadows..." Because that's not baseball. And that's what every pro-DH argument sounds like, to me.

It's baseball for people who hate baseball.
 
2020-10-24 9:23:13 AM  

Gonz: I finally figured it out, and the aforementioned Crash Davis helped.

You know what they have in the AL, but not the NL? Domes. Domes and artificial turf. And that's the sort of place that deserves a DH. Yeah, Arizona screwed it up, and should go back to grass, although I get why you wouldn't in Phoenix. And yeah, Milwaukee has a retractable roof- but at least that stadium just has heaters, not air conditioning.

But the NL's cathedrals tend to be fully outdoor, played on grass. Like God intended.

"Why wouldn't you play in a dome? The weather is always perfect. There's no wind. It never gets rained out, the sun never gets in a fielder's eyes on a pop fly, there are never weird late afternoon shadows..." Because that's not baseball. And that's what every pro-DH argument sounds like, to me.

It's baseball for people who hate baseball.


But Boston could have a gleaming symmetrical climate controlled corporate sports palace in Foxboro, with the latest analytics beamed to your phone!

Instead, these hopeless sticks-in-the-mud want stodgy old Fenway.
 
2020-10-24 9:39:27 AM  
I like to see Pitchers bat, since I follow an NL team (The still technically reigning Champion Washington Nationals), but I don't have super strong opinions about the DH.

I still think it's funny that the 2019 Nats had a homer and 10 RBI from Strasbourg though.
 
2020-10-24 10:02:06 AM  
This is literally the best news I've read in 2020.

If my daughter happens to find this post in the distant future, your birth was right up there, too.
 
2020-10-24 11:19:11 AM  
The whole article is based on a single Tweet about a rumor.  Maybe don't take it as gospel yet?
 
2020-10-24 11:29:06 AM  

Brosephus: Gulper Eel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

And a guy hitting a pop fly to the second baseman is almost always an out too, except sometimes this happens

[Fark user image 850x566]
and it's farking awesome.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager.

So let's have a game with 15 pitching changes. About not seeing the manager...you were saying?

More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.

Fine if you can stay up 'til 12:45 in the morning to watch some 14-11 gopherballfest, but some of us are employed. Others are so selfish as to consider that they have kids who might enjoy the game.

Your last sentences reminded me of this game.  I didn't stay up to watch it all, but I remember it being all over the news the next day.

[YouTube video: Braves vs. Mets July 4, 1985 "The Rick Camp Game"]


CSB
Had a lot of at bats against Tom Gorman. I owned him. I have no idea how he got to the big leagues.
 
2020-10-24 11:33:09 AM  

detonator: Brosephus: Gulper Eel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

And a guy hitting a pop fly to the second baseman is almost always an out too, except sometimes this happens

[Fark user image 850x566]
and it's farking awesome.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager.

So let's have a game with 15 pitching changes. About not seeing the manager...you were saying?

More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.

Fine if you can stay up 'til 12:45 in the morning to watch some 14-11 gopherballfest, but some of us are employed. Others are so selfish as to consider that they have kids who might enjoy the game.

Your last sentences reminded me of this game.  I didn't stay up to watch it all, but I remember it being all over the news the next day.

[YouTube video: Braves vs. Mets July 4, 1985 "The Rick Camp Game"]

CSB
Had a lot of at bats against Tom Gorman. I owned him. I have no idea how he got to the big leagues.


He got better, you didn't.
 
2020-10-24 11:35:00 AM  

Flappyhead: detonator: Brosephus: Gulper Eel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

And a guy hitting a pop fly to the second baseman is almost always an out too, except sometimes this happens

[Fark user image 850x566]
and it's farking awesome.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager.

So let's have a game with 15 pitching changes. About not seeing the manager...you were saying?

More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.

Fine if you can stay up 'til 12:45 in the morning to watch some 14-11 gopherballfest, but some of us are employed. Others are so selfish as to consider that they have kids who might enjoy the game.

Your last sentences reminded me of this game.  I didn't stay up to watch it all, but I remember it being all over the news the next day.

[YouTube video: Braves vs. Mets July 4, 1985 "The Rick Camp Game"]

CSB
Had a lot of at bats against Tom Gorman. I owned him. I have no idea how he got to the big leagues.

He got better, you didn't.


Hahahahaha
True.
 
2020-10-24 11:36:59 AM  
Hope this turns out to be true but, given how Rob Manfred has managed things the past few years, I'm not too confident yet.
 
2020-10-24 11:48:10 AM  

Flappyhead: detonator: Brosephus: Gulper Eel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

And a guy hitting a pop fly to the second baseman is almost always an out too, except sometimes this happens

[Fark user image 850x566]
and it's farking awesome.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager.

So let's have a game with 15 pitching changes. About not seeing the manager...you were saying?

More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.

Fine if you can stay up 'til 12:45 in the morning to watch some 14-11 gopherballfest, but some of us are employed. Others are so selfish as to consider that they have kids who might enjoy the game.

Your last sentences reminded me of this game.  I didn't stay up to watch it all, but I remember it being all over the news the next day.

[YouTube video: Braves vs. Mets July 4, 1985 "The Rick Camp Game"]

CSB
Had a lot of at bats against Tom Gorman. I owned him. I have no idea how he got to the big leagues.

He got better, you didn't.


I saw a lot a pitchers much better than Gorman who didn't make it to the big leagues, but hats off to Gorman for making it. That's how organized ball is.
I saw he release point extremely well. You can kinda see it in the replay of the pitch Camp hit.
As for the rule; I like it when pitchers hit. Big league pitchers are gifted athletes and while they generally don't care about hitting, they will compete when it means something.
 
2020-10-24 11:49:35 AM  
Ban it entirely.
 
2020-10-24 12:20:09 PM  
What's funny is that if baseball started with a DH, NO ONE would ever suggest that pitchers should have to hit. It's just a stupid idea.
 
2020-10-24 12:32:51 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.


If you're going to go with hitting, don't mess around.  Put 9 men out for defense, and another different 9 men on offense.  Anything less is totally half assed.  And subbing just for the pitcher is particularly lame.

It's lame.
 
2020-10-24 12:42:27 PM  
IAmRight

Who in their right mind would have suggested that one of the nine who plays a position in the field should be forbidden from hitting?

The game was played professionally for nearly 100 years before the DH was created.  The American League was over 70 years old when they started using it.  I grew up in an AL town so I was fine with it.  I also enjoyed seeing the NL do it the original way.

Messing around with something one of the leagues hasn't chosen to do in well over a century is a comprehensively bad idea.  So is starting off the 10th inning with a runner on second.  In fact, that's even more offensive.

The time wasted between pitches seems to be longer than it once was.  If a pitch clock is needed to keep things moving a little faster, so be it.  And it would be nice to see more Rod Carews than Dave Kingmans.  Make contact, strike out less and fans will begin to anticipate a better flow to the action.
 
2020-10-24 12:44:09 PM  

Gonz: I finally figured it out, and the aforementioned Crash Davis helped.

You know what they have in the AL, but not the NL? Domes. Domes and artificial turf. And that's the sort of place that deserves a DH. Yeah, Arizona screwed it up, and should go back to grass, although I get why you wouldn't in Phoenix. And yeah, Milwaukee has a retractable roof- but at least that stadium just has heaters, not air conditioning.

But the NL's cathedrals tend to be fully outdoor, played on grass. Like God intended.

"Why wouldn't you play in a dome? The weather is always perfect. There's no wind. It never gets rained out, the sun never gets in a fielder's eyes on a pop fly, there are never weird late afternoon shadows..." Because that's not baseball. And that's what every pro-DH argument sounds like, to me.

It's baseball for people who hate baseball.



There is only 1 AL team that plays in a dome.  There are 3 NL teams that have retractable roofs, to the AL's 4.

2 NL teams play on artificial turf.  3 AL teams do.

Your theory is perfect, except for the facts.
 
2020-10-24 1:21:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

If you're going to go with hitting, don't mess around.  Put 9 men out for defense, and another different 9 men on offense.  Anything less is totally half assed.  And subbing just for the pitcher is particularly lame.

It's lame.


And nine designated baserunners, assuming they're still needed now that Rob Manfred and the analytics consultants have decreed that the solo home run is the only kind of hitting worth watching.
 
2020-10-24 1:23:21 PM  

Botkin of the Yard: IAmRight

Who in their right mind would have suggested that one of the nine who plays a position in the field should be forbidden from hitting?

The game was played professionally for nearly 100 years before the DH was created.  The American League was over 70 years old when they started using it.  I grew up in an AL town so I was fine with it.  I also enjoyed seeing the NL do it the original way.

Messing around with something one of the leagues hasn't chosen to do in well over a century is a comprehensively bad idea.  So is starting off the 10th inning with a runner on second.  In fact, that's even more offensive.

The time wasted between pitches seems to be longer than it once was.  If a pitch clock is needed to keep things moving a little faster, so be it.  And it would be nice to see more Rod Carews than Dave Kingmans.  Make contact, strike out less and fans will begin to anticipate a better flow to the action.


1) They're not forbidden from hitting. The fact that they don't hit shows that it's not desirable for them to hit when allowed.
2) WHY is it bad to start the 10th with a runner on, though? There's never a good argument on your side, it's always just "because it's different!"
3) The other complaints are legit, but those are analytics-based problems. Legislate away "smart" baseball like the shift, specialty relievers, etc. and you get a faster game. Also, agree with pitch clocks.
4) If the pitcher was an everyday player it'd make sense for them to hit, but they are already so different than the rest of the team that it's stupid to pretend they should hit as well.
 
2020-10-24 1:37:27 PM  

IAmRight: What's funny is that if baseball started with a DH, NO ONE would ever suggest that pitchers should have to hit. It's just a stupid idea.


Babe Ruth would've never been in the Hall of Fame.  He was an average pitcher at best, but damn could he hit!
 
2020-10-24 1:42:35 PM  

bluorangefyre: IAmRight: What's funny is that if baseball started with a DH, NO ONE would ever suggest that pitchers should have to hit. It's just a stupid idea.

Babe Ruth would've never been in the Hall of Fame.  He was an average pitcher at best, but damn could he hit!


Then Babe Ruth would not have pitched.  He would have played somewhere else or just been a dedicated DH.  Or the team could have chosen not to use the DH when Ruth pitched.  That's still an option for teams today, although you virtually NEVER see it used (gee, I wonder why).
 
2020-10-24 1:55:11 PM  

bluorangefyre: IAmRight: What's funny is that if baseball started with a DH, NO ONE would ever suggest that pitchers should have to hit. It's just a stupid idea.

Babe Ruth would've never been in the Hall of Fame.  He was an average pitcher at best, but damn could he hit!


Babe Ruth was 94-46, 2.27ERA lifetimes a pitcher. He had a 1.75 ERA in 1916, and 67 wins by the age of 22.
WAY above "average".
 
2020-10-24 2:08:01 PM  

detonator: bluorangefyre: IAmRight: What's funny is that if baseball started with a DH, NO ONE would ever suggest that pitchers should have to hit. It's just a stupid idea.

Babe Ruth would've never been in the Hall of Fame.  He was an average pitcher at best, but damn could he hit!

Babe Ruth was 94-46, 2.27ERA lifetimes a pitcher. He had a 1.75 ERA in 1916, and 67 wins by the age of 22.
WAY above "average".


He was even better in the World Series; 3-0, 0.87 ERA,plus the 29 scoreless innings streak. One game was a 14 inning effort.
And he probably did it hungover.
 
2020-10-24 2:35:03 PM  

IAmRight: Botkin of the Yard: IAmRight

Who in their right mind would have suggested that one of the nine who plays a position in the field should be forbidden from hitting?

The game was played professionally for nearly 100 years before the DH was created.  The American League was over 70 years old when they started using it.  I grew up in an AL town so I was fine with it.  I also enjoyed seeing the NL do it the original way.

Messing around with something one of the leagues hasn't chosen to do in well over a century is a comprehensively bad idea.  So is starting off the 10th inning with a runner on second.  In fact, that's even more offensive.

The time wasted between pitches seems to be longer than it once was.  If a pitch clock is needed to keep things moving a little faster, so be it.  And it would be nice to see more Rod Carews than Dave Kingmans.  Make contact, strike out less and fans will begin to anticipate a better flow to the action.

1) They're not forbidden from hitting. The fact that they don't hit shows that it's not desirable for them to hit when allowed.
2) WHY is it bad to start the 10th with a runner on, though? There's never a good argument on your side, it's always just "because it's different!"
3) The other complaints are legit, but those are analytics-based problems. Legislate away "smart" baseball like the shift, specialty relievers, etc. and you get a faster game. Also, agree with pitch clocks.
4) If the pitcher was an everyday player it'd make sense for them to hit, but they are already so different than the rest of the team that it's stupid to pretend they should hit as well.


I'm with you on 1, 3 and 4. But I have two concerns with 2: (a) giving someone a base when they haven't earned that base is a change in the fundamental nature of the game; (b) Japan has solved the problem of long extra inning games: if the game is tied after 12 innings then neither team have earned a win or a loss. It's a tie.
 
2020-10-24 2:39:38 PM  

detonator: detonator: bluorangefyre: IAmRight: What's funny is that if baseball started with a DH, NO ONE would ever suggest that pitchers should have to hit. It's just a stupid idea.

Babe Ruth would've never been in the Hall of Fame.  He was an average pitcher at best, but damn could he hit!

Babe Ruth was 94-46, 2.27ERA lifetimes a pitcher. He had a 1.75 ERA in 1916, and 67 wins by the age of 22.
WAY above "average".

He was even better in the World Series; 3-0, 0.87 ERA,plus the 29 scoreless innings streak. One game was a 14 inning effort.
And he probably did it hungover.


And contemporaries say he was an above average fielder. Plus he could eat like 20 hotdogs between innings. And I'm pretty sure he still holds some pitching records.
 
2020-10-24 3:20:22 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Now I know why baseball is dying. Stodgy people who refuse to admit that a pitcher hitting is almost always an out.

Oh and you can stop with the ridiculous pablum of "Oh but the strategy!!!"

No one watches a baseball game for the manager. More hits & HRs, please. Thanks.


Farking this right here.  Amazing how people still keep with this asinine mindset that the pitcher needs to hit; that's like three-four free outs/game.  You have a good pitcher tossing zeroes that ninth spot in the lineup becomes an albatross.  I can count on one hand how many good hitting pitchers I've seen in my lifetime.

I'm not always one that just says put a guy who can't field for shiat but has a good stick and put him in as a DH but I'd take him over a pitcher who's career BA is under .100.
 
2020-10-24 3:23:00 PM  

Joe_diGriz: The runner on 2nd thing? I can live with it, but *ONLY* in, say, the 12th inning or later. The 10th and 11th innings should play out as normal; I would bet that the vast majority of extra inning games (in a normal year) finish up by then, anyway.


I'd say after the 12th inning, period.  Once you get after the 12th, it's 3 in the morning and they're still playing.
 
2020-10-24 3:25:57 PM  

detonator: bluorangefyre: IAmRight: What's funny is that if baseball started with a DH, NO ONE would ever suggest that pitchers should have to hit. It's just a stupid idea.

Babe Ruth would've never been in the Hall of Fame.  He was an average pitcher at best, but damn could he hit!

Babe Ruth was 94-46, 2.27ERA lifetimes a pitcher. He had a 1.75 ERA in 1916, and 67 wins by the age of 22.
WAY above "average".


To be fair, that was the deadball era.  If your ERA was above 2.5 during that period it might have well been 6.00.
 
2020-10-24 3:30:30 PM  
IAmRight  1) They're not forbidden from hitting. The fact that they don't hit shows that it's not desirable for them to hit when allowed.

With the DH they are and the NL has chosen not to do it since shortly after the Civil War.  There have also been numerous good or passable hitting pitchers over the years.  It may well be that youth baseball has drifted toward specialization but that's undesirable too.  And what really is the difference between a pitcher with a low batting average and a guy who hits .230 and strikes out 140 times a year?  A few home runs.  Big deal.  At least the pitcher can try and make contact, move a runner along.  Or a pinch hitter comes in.  Constant home runs and strikeouts is god awful boring.

2) WHY is it bad to start the 10th with a runner on, though? There's never a good argument on your side, it's always just "because it's different!"

Someone addressed this above.  Starting with a runner on 2nd involves no skill.  It's just a silly video game way to cut down on game time.  The kind of thing a marketing department would dream up.  There's no good argument for doing such a thing.

3) The other complaints are legit, but those are analytics-based problems. Legislate away "smart" baseball like the shift, specialty relievers, etc. and you get a faster game. Also, agree with pitch clocks.

The defensive shift has been around for about 100 years.  Ted Williams had to deal with it when he played.  I'm assuming it's used more often now and it is certainly kind of irritating.  I'd agree with some change for sure.  Maybe leaving at least one guy on the side you're not really bothering to defend.  I'm surprised more hitters don't bunt at the giant empty space.  I saw Anthony Rizzo do it a couple times last year.  It actually made them play him honest for at least a day or two.

Specialty relievers.  I think I know what you mean.  This routine where four pitchers come in to get two outs before the last two big time relievers come in.  Yeah, awful.  I'm not even that old yet and I still remember the long relief guy for blowouts, the set up man and the closer.  Three innings to earn a save and all that.

4) If the pitcher was an everyday player it'd make sense for them to hit, but they are already so different than the rest of the team that it's stupid to pretend they should hit as well.

Pitchers are baseball players.  They're not like football kickers.  And yes, the rules and traditions do still matter. The mound has been lowered but it's the same distance from the plate it has been for generations.  It's also ninety feet between bases.  Fielders still move in when they expect a bunt, outfielders shade left or right depending on a hitter's tendencies.  The game is still nine innings.  Each play begins with the ball in hands of the defense.  You don't screw with brilliant things solely because of cell phones and commercial pressures.
 
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