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2020-10-23 7:20:17 AM  
They are still playing baseball?
 
2020-10-23 7:21:13 AM  
It's just a low-buzz world series. If the Dodgers win it, it's essentially whoop de doo, the West coast 90s Yankees finally bought one. If the Rays win, who cares, it's the Rays.

Dodgers- Astros would have been electric to watch though.
 
2020-10-23 7:41:27 AM  
Because very few teams outside of their home market make anyone give a shiat.  This is the fatal flaw of the media world the owners have fashioned over the last 25 years.  Everyone has their little feifdom, and outside of Boston, NY, and Chicago nobody cares unless it's their local team.
 
2020-10-23 7:50:46 AM  
I'm boycotting because of the way those thugs treated our national anthem.
 
2020-10-23 7:52:55 AM  
I watched about 2 innings of the the game.  it was the most Tampa Bay baseball I've seen in the sum total of 10 years - and I don't think I'm exaggerating - and the longest uninterrupted baseball watch I've had since they resumed play around June or whatever (and was the shiatty farking Snakes.)

the older I get the less  time I have for baseball.
 
2020-10-23 8:14:04 AM  
This isn't really the World Series. It's more like the A.A.U. Baseball Championships or something. A full season gives time for stories to develop, rooting interest to take hold, underdogs making a run, etc. Instead we had what amounts to a glorified summer league. The actual product wasn't very good across the board. No fans. Believe it or not the fans actually increase the at home watching experience. And a World Series wholly taking place at a nouveau bland looking stadium. Just a whole lot of "meh" all around.
 
2020-10-23 8:20:45 AM  
Probably because of all the kneeling in the on-deck circle. Disrespectful to our Flag!
 
2020-10-23 8:27:12 AM  
3h24m and if it wasn't the World Series and wasn't on TV, it would be 2 hours
 
2020-10-23 8:59:41 AM  
It's a shame (admittedly I'm biased being in the Tampa Bay area) because there has been outstanding pitching and defense on both sides.  Rays have been fun to watch all season with 'the stable' rather than your typical starter-long reliever-short relief-closer routine.  Rays are always shiat on by everyone else but they're usually entertaining!
 
2020-10-23 9:06:39 AM  
I mean, it's already a mini-World Series.  So, more like a Mars Series?  Venus Series?  I dunno.  Something smaller than earth.
 
2020-10-23 9:36:23 AM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: Dodgers- Astros would have been electric to watch though.


Not really. The Astros aren't nearly as good as they used to be: they lost Gerrit Cole to free agency and Justin Verlander to injury. They finished the "regular season" below .500 and only made it in because of the expanded playoffs.
 
2020-10-23 9:40:35 AM  

iamskibibitz: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: Dodgers- Astros would have been electric to watch though.

Not really. The Astros aren't nearly as good as they used to be: they lost Gerrit Cole to free agency and Justin Verlander to injury. They finished the "regular season" below .500 and only made it in because of the expanded playoffs.


They also lost Alex Cora and Carlos Beltran.
 
2020-10-23 9:42:56 AM  
Because baseball is boring?
 
2020-10-23 9:43:44 AM  
I'm still in recovery from the Stanley Cup finals.
 
2020-10-23 9:59:09 AM  
I hate the dodgers.

xoxox
-trolly
 
2020-10-23 10:06:09 AM  

Slow To Return: iamskibibitz: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: Dodgers- Astros would have been electric to watch though.

Not really. The Astros aren't nearly as good as they used to be: they lost Gerrit Cole to free agency and Justin Verlander to injury. They finished the "regular season" below .500 and only made it in because of the expanded playoffs.

They also lost Alex Cora and Carlos Beltran.


They also lost the garbage can.
 
2020-10-23 10:20:16 AM  

iamskibibitz: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: Dodgers- Astros would have been electric to watch though.

Not really. The Astros aren't nearly as good as they used to be: they lost Gerrit Cole to free agency and Justin Verlander to injury. They finished the "regular season" below .500 and only made it in because of the expanded playoffs.


There's still a good amount of hatred for them though.

It would have been much better and much more heated if this were normal times, with games packed with fans in both home stadiums.

But we get a meh world series for a meh year.
 
2020-10-23 10:28:20 AM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: It's just a low-buzz world series. If the Dodgers win it, it's essentially whoop de doo, the West coast 90s Yankees finally bought one. If the Rays win, who cares, it's the Rays.

Dodgers- Astros would have been electric to watch though.


Fark the Astros*
 
2020-10-23 10:38:41 AM  
Maybe it's the least listenable.

Fire Buck, get Vin Scully in here stat.
 
2020-10-23 10:43:08 AM  
The MLB isn't even keeping up the pretense of integrity, and for a product that's been resting on its laurels for over thirty years, that's a huge problem.
 
2020-10-23 11:18:11 AM  
The average age of a baseball fan is 57.  For the NFL it's 50, for basketball it's 43.  Baseball is aging out of American culture, it's a sport best-suited to be broadcast over the radio.
 
2020-10-23 11:45:29 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The average age of a baseball fan is 57.  For the NFL it's 50, for basketball it's 43.  Baseball is aging out of American culture, it's a sport best-suited to be broadcast over the radio.


That maybe true.  But no matter who is announcing on radio, you will never "see" what Mookie can do.  The guy is just fun to watch.
 
2020-10-23 11:53:13 AM  
I feel like in everyone's rush to jam a season in (or finish one), they all forgot to do just a little marketing outside their core audience to let people known when games were being played.

even with the NFL, just about every week it's a random tweet that reminds me the Chiefs or Titans kicked off at 5pm on a Monday night and is currently being aired on a normal channel.
 
2020-10-23 12:01:08 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The average age of a baseball fan is 57.  For the NFL it's 50, for basketball it's 43.  Baseball is aging out of American culture, it's a sport best-suited to be broadcast over the radio.


For far to many potential fans, that's the only way they can get games. So they don't watch.

Money is destroying baseball. The NFL, at least, is smart enough to make sure the games are on broadcast TV for everyone in the local market. Most baseball games you can't get without cable, and as the cable market disappears, the games go black.

In some markets, you can't even get the games on cable.
 
2020-10-23 12:06:20 PM  
Baseball just doesn't play well to a national audience. I watched maybe 55 of the 60 Royals games played this year (I know) and some playoff games, but once your team is out, there isn't that desire to watch anymore. The playoffs are way too long in number of teams and games. NBA suffers from this as well (prime reason NFL postseason is so successful...1 and done) . By the time the World Series start, you've been watching teams you don't have a rooting interest in for a month, and now football is on. Baseball postseason was best when there were 2 divisions per league, 3/5 to get to the WS, and games were 3 hours or so. Now there is too much to hold your interest and the games are 4 hours long. If my team isn't in it, I'm not watching. But I will watch the woeful Philly/NY game on Thursday night because football.
 
2020-10-23 12:23:48 PM  
The expanded playoffs was a stupid thing and I hope only a one-time thing because of the pandemic.  Same for neutral site.  But ever since November baseball in 2001 thanks to the post-9/11 delay, MLB has decided to squeeze as much TV time out of FOX as they could, and it comprised the game itself.

Having baseball up to and even past Halloween when in most cities it's too damn cold to sit outside and watch has affected play.

Long commercial breaks between innings is what's really made the game longer, not multiple trips to the mound or calls to the bullpen; you see that in minor leagues but those games still ended in a reasonable amount of time.

FOX's insistence that the game starts so late hurts east coast viewers, but it kinda does benefit the rest of the country.  In a way that can't be helped, because in the old days games were matinee games, which, during October, doesn't help get kids watching.  I guess they could rectify that by making all games at 6:00 local?

But that's just the TV networks.  What's really hurt baseball is football, but that can't be helped, either.  Football has stepped outside of its weekend dominance, with Thursday games and non-stop ESPN coverage, and as much as I like tradition of watching baseball, time is passing it by.
 
2020-10-23 12:36:41 PM  

Cajnik: 3h24m and if it wasn't the World Series and wasn't on TV, it would be 2 hours


It would still be well over 3 hours. We are in an era of baseball where it is not unheard of for a 3-2 game to have a dozen combined hits, 20+ plus combined strikeouts, all the runs scored on solo homers and take 3:30 to play. If it's a Red Sox Yankees game add at least 30 minutes.
 
2020-10-23 12:39:14 PM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: the West coast 90s Yankees finally bought one


How are these Dodgers similar to the 90s Yankees? Show your work.
 
2020-10-23 12:43:40 PM  
Ever since baseball extended itself this far into football season and football extended itself back into the end of baseball season, both sports have suffered, baseball a bit more though.

Baseball used to end Oct 1 ish, last postseason game would be around Oct 7 ish. (Going back 50-60 years), and Football's first game would be Sept 16 or so.  Now Baseball goes until late October thanks to extended postseason (30th last year!) and Football regular season starts a week earlier now (Sept 10) and goes back to Aug if you count pre-season games.  That sucks for fans of both sports.
 
2020-10-23 12:49:48 PM  
Would've been higher ratings if the Dodgers had just yielded to Atlanta.  Hype it up as a Georgia-Florida World Series, and that's 30 million right there.
 
2020-10-23 12:52:24 PM  

The Bestest: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: the West coast 90s Yankees finally bought one

How are these Dodgers similar to the 90s Yankees? Show your work.


Payroll by year

2013 - #2
2014 - #1
2015 - #1
2016 - #1
2017 - #1
2018 - #3
2019 - #4
2020 - #2

They're consistently at the top. Money buys titles. See: Yankees, Red Sox.
 
2020-10-23 1:36:43 PM  

Demetrius: The Bestest: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: the West coast 90s Yankees finally bought one

How are these Dodgers similar to the 90s Yankees? Show your work.

Payroll by year

2013 - #2
2014 - #1
2015 - #1
2016 - #1
2017 - #1
2018 - #3
2019 - #4
2020 - #2

They're consistently at the top. Money buys titles. See: Yankees, Red Sox.


And how many World Series trophies do they have for that?
 
2020-10-23 2:07:42 PM  

bluorangefyre: Demetrius: The Bestest: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: the West coast 90s Yankees finally bought one

How are these Dodgers similar to the 90s Yankees? Show your work.

Payroll by year

2013 - #2
2014 - #1
2015 - #1
2016 - #1
2017 - #1
2018 - #3
2019 - #4
2020 - #2

They're consistently at the top. Money buys titles. See: Yankees, Red Sox.

And how many World Series trophies do they have for that?


Milo Bloom said it best. It improves your bargaining position.

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2020-10-23 2:46:36 PM  
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2020-10-23 3:48:28 PM  
There are a lot of reasons MLB has not fared well this year:
Abbreviated season (every stat will be followed by an asterisk)
Designated Hitter (both leagues)
Extra inning rule (don't get me started)
Expanded playoffs (this must go away)

Baseball may be "aging out" but the average age of an American male is around 39-years old which skews things. Generally speaking though, baseball fans are older.

Certainly the NFL is ascendant in popularity. Sixteen regular season games played mostly on weekends. Good plan. MLB's 162 regular season games played over the course of months = lower intensity.

People complain that baseball takes too long, but a timed, one hour NFL game takes an average of three hours and twelve minutes. There are around eleven minutes of action in an NFL game. A one hour game in which nothing is happening for three hours. I'm not saying baseball is better (only about 18 minutes of action), just looking at the numbers. Both sports air far too many commercials. +
[Note: The salary cap hasn't shortened NFL games.]

For a fast paced intense sports experience it's hard to beat NBA basketball. Average 48-minute timed game lasts around two and a half hours (48 minutes of action and about an hour and a half of down time). This cannot be replicated by the NFL or MLB. Forget about it.

Serious baseball fans have had a disappointing season this year. I'm sure the players feel the same. Hope things are better next year, not only for baseball but for all sports and all of us.
 
2020-10-23 5:31:55 PM  

red5ish: There are a lot of reasons MLB has not fared well this year:
Abbreviated season (every stat will be followed by an asterisk)
Designated Hitter (both leagues)
Extra inning rule (don't get me started)
Expanded playoffs (this must go away)

Baseball may be "aging out" but the average age of an American male is around 39-years old which skews things. Generally speaking though, baseball fans are older.

Certainly the NFL is ascendant in popularity. Sixteen regular season games played mostly on weekends. Good plan. MLB's 162 regular season games played over the course of months = lower intensity.

People complain that baseball takes too long, but a timed, one hour NFL game takes an average of three hours and twelve minutes. There are around eleven minutes of action in an NFL game. A one hour game in which nothing is happening for three hours. I'm not saying baseball is better (only about 18 minutes of action), just looking at the numbers. Both sports air far too many commercials. +
[Note: The salary cap hasn't shortened NFL games.]

For a fast paced intense sports experience it's hard to beat NBA basketball. Average 48-minute timed game lasts around two and a half hours (48 minutes of action and about an hour and a half of down time). This cannot be replicated by the NFL or MLB. Forget about it.

Serious baseball fans have had a disappointing season this year. I'm sure the players feel the same. Hope things are better next year, not only for baseball but for all sports and all of us.


My problem with basketball is that I never really feel a need to watch the first three quarters of a game.  The way they get to the score going into the 4th doesn't really matter to me the way it does in football.
 
2020-10-23 5:50:39 PM  
The ghost of the Angel fan in me wants the Dodgers to fail after hearing fans in LA act like the series is in the bag after Game 1. And I thought Lakers fans were the worst in the city and tops in delusion for actually acting like the championship, No. 1 draft pick and top free agent should be theirs each year..

/stopped caring about baseball even before the Baseball Gods pulled a miraculous World Series victory out of their ass to present it to the Angels, but I think it was more a middle finger to Barry Bonds on their part.
//late dad was a PCL Angels fan from way back; he never forgave the Dodgers for killing that minor club and stealing the logo when the team moved to LA
 
2020-10-23 5:57:21 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: The expanded playoffs was a stupid thing and I hope only a one-time thing because of the pandemic.  Same for neutral site.  But ever since November baseball in 2001 thanks to the post-9/11 delay, MLB has decided to squeeze as much TV time out of FOX as they could, and it comprised the game itself.

Having baseball up to and even past Halloween when in most cities it's too damn cold to sit outside and watch has affected play.

Long commercial breaks between innings is what's really made the game longer, not multiple trips to the mound or calls to the bullpen; you see that in minor leagues but those games still ended in a reasonable amount of time.

FOX's insistence that the game starts so late hurts east coast viewers, but it kinda does benefit the rest of the country.  In a way that can't be helped, because in the old days games were matinee games, which, during October, doesn't help get kids watching.  I guess they could rectify that by making all games at 6:00 local?

But that's just the TV networks.  What's really hurt baseball is football, but that can't be helped, either.  Football has stepped outside of its weekend dominance, with Thursday games and non-stop ESPN coverage, and as much as I like tradition of watching baseball, time is passing it by.


I don't see how matinee games don't help - 80% of baseball I watched on TV growing up was games on WGN/TBS in the afternoon after I got home from school but before my parents got home from work.
 
2020-10-23 6:03:28 PM  

red5ish: There are a lot of reasons MLB has not fared well this year:
Abbreviated season (every stat will be followed by an asterisk)
Designated Hitter (both leagues)
Extra inning rule (don't get me started)
Expanded playoffs (this must go away)

Baseball may be "aging out" but the average age of an American male is around 39-years old which skews things. Generally speaking though, baseball fans are older.

Certainly the NFL is ascendant in popularity. Sixteen regular season games played mostly on weekends. Good plan. MLB's 162 regular season games played over the course of months = lower intensity.

People complain that baseball takes too long, but a timed, one hour NFL game takes an average of three hours and twelve minutes. There are around eleven minutes of action in an NFL game. A one hour game in which nothing is happening for three hours. I'm not saying baseball is better (only about 18 minutes of action), just looking at the numbers. Both sports air far too many commercials. +
[Note: The salary cap hasn't shortened NFL games.]

For a fast paced intense sports experience it's hard to beat NBA basketball. Average 48-minute timed game lasts around two and a half hours (48 minutes of action and about an hour and a half of down time). This cannot be replicated by the NFL or MLB. Forget about it.

Serious baseball fans have had a disappointing season this year. I'm sure the players feel the same. Hope things are better next year, not only for baseball but for all sports and all of us.


The problem with baseball is also that the "action" isn't action, either. Pitches not put in play, everyone's just standing around watching.

/Short doubleheaders were great
//no one didn't tune in because of DHs
///no one didn't tune in because of the extra innings thing
////the expanded playoffs made the season more interesting for way more teams
 
2020-10-23 6:31:37 PM  

Demetrius: The Bestest: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: the West coast 90s Yankees finally bought one

How are these Dodgers similar to the 90s Yankees? Show your work.

Payroll by year

2013 - #2
2014 - #1
2015 - #1
2016 - #1
2017 - #1
2018 - #3
2019 - #4
2020 - #2

They're consistently at the top. Money buys titles. See: Yankees, Red Sox.


If you said the early 00s Yankees, I wouldn't disagree with your statement; those teams would be very similar to these Dodgers, both in payroll difference (compared to other top quadrille teams), team composition (a core built on big FA signings) and ultimate success (dominate regular season, do jack shiat in the playoffs).

The late 90s Yankees, while yes, lead in payroll, the difference between them and other teams wasn't so pronounced, the core was built on home-grown talent and they had 4 titles to show for it.
 
2020-10-23 8:51:55 PM  
Why would FOX show the Astros* hoisting a tainted championship trophy?
Why even mention it? It's bogus.
 
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