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2020-10-23 9:23:35 AM  
Sounds like the real problem with the video is Cohen came in too eary. They should have seen just how far Rudi would have gone.
 
2020-10-23 9:27:30 AM  

wage0048: Okay, Faux News: In what context is it okay for a 76-year-old male to masturbate in a room with what he believes to be a 15-year-old girl?


When the 15-year old girl is Traci Lords?
 
2020-10-23 9:27:45 AM  

Lambskincoat: Why do Republicans not understand what the word "context" means?


Same reason they never seem to understand what "consent" means.
 
2020-10-23 9:34:58 AM  

Aussie_As: NoahFenze: Literally Addicted: I'm wondering what context involves a man with his hand down his pants, alone with a 15 year old is the "correct" context?

I haven't seen it yet. But I'm not sure he's aware she's supposed to be 15.

Saw it today, really enjoyed it but not as good as the original film imho. She's in the room with a camera crew conducting an interview as a professional journalist. The actor playing Borat's "15 year old" daughter is actually 24 and looks it. The only suggestion she is underage is made by Borat well after Rudy has put his arm around her lower back and lay back on the bed tucking in his shirt.

There's no reason Rudy would have believed her to be underage. His gropey behaviour and sexist treatment of a female journalist are misogynism, not paedophilia, as near as I can interpret it. It's still awful and it indicates Rudy would be an easy mark for any foreign agencies who wanted to compromise him on dodgy sex grounds so that should be the story here, not Rudy is a pedo.


It is truly embarrassing the level to which this administration has flagrantly flaunted the protocols that are meant to prevent this kind of stuff.

Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.
 
2020-10-23 9:48:57 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.


[Welcome to Fark.jpg]
 
2020-10-23 9:53:50 AM  
They made laws against parking 15 year old girls because old letchers were parking 15 year old girls.
 
2020-10-23 9:54:15 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: They made laws against parking 15 year old girls because old letchers were parking 15 year old girls.


Porking. Dammit
 
2020-10-23 9:54:37 AM  

Farkonaut: OptimisticCynicism: Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.

[Welcome to Fark.jpg]


Ha ha I wish. But if your takeaway from Fark is that folks are open minded then good on you, you've obviously had excellent experiences. That said, my top tip to you is NEVER open a gun thread.
 
2020-10-23 9:56:01 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Bigdogdaddy: They made laws against parking 15 year old girls because old letchers were parking 15 year old girls.

Porking. Dammit


It was not bad the first time around. Parking I mean. Or porking. Umm. Where was I?
 
2020-10-23 9:57:31 AM  
Watched Borat 2 last night after the debates ended.

How the hell does he think he can weasel his way from this and say it's taken out of context?

I'm a guy, I know what it looks like when I'm rubbing myself down there and Rudy was no difference.

Ps Rudy your mic had been off for a few mins
 
2020-10-23 10:07:08 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Sounds like the real problem with the video is Cohen came in too eary. They should have seen just how far Rudi would have gone.


That opens up a host of ethical questions.

Let's set a stage here.

You have a young-looking but adult woman. Not uncommon, I had a good friend in college who looked 16 when she was 22. She got carded if she even thought about alcohol.

You have a much older guy you're going to set up to see if he'll take the bait of possible sex with said young-looking woman.

If things happen (be it Giuliani simply masturbating, oral, or actual penetration), it's a murky area legally. We see this with child pornography- even if the person filmed is of legal age (or doesn't even exist at all, with some animation), there are courts who will pursue charges based on what they appeared to be.

Consent has as its foundation knowledge and understanding of the action and consequences.

How do you get consent for "this old guy may whip it out and start jerking off, or might try and get you to suck you off, or might try and fark you"?
 
2020-10-23 10:12:16 AM  

Farkonaut: OptimisticCynicism: Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.

[Welcome to Fark.jpg]


I mean outside of the blatant trolls, Fark has a surprisingly high level of political sophistication and a lot of reasonably good anslysis.

Unfortunately, it runs into the same problem all groups do in terms of creating an overzealous echo chamber on some stuff.

I'd rather there at least be a few people flagging when we are taking stuff a bit too far.
 
2020-10-23 10:18:53 AM  

Aussie_As: Farkonaut: OptimisticCynicism: Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.

[Welcome to Fark.jpg]

Ha ha I wish. But if your takeaway from Fark is that folks are open minded then good on you, you've obviously had excellent experiences. That said, my top tip to you is NEVER open a gun thread.


Oh my GOD, some of you need to stop with this shiat OK... so farking stupid.

If fark tends towards liberal it's not because of some specific actions that FARK has taken to make it that way. It's because all those woke conservative voices with their alternate facts decided not to hang out here. Mostly because actual intelligent people that use facts, reality, and reason hang out here, and don't just lick the asshole of every post to karma-farm.  Yeah, What an echo chamber FARK is. 

Can you people really not understand the farking difference between actively cultivating a community into your echo chamber and a collection of like minded people that congregate in similar places of their own free will?

Stop with this shiat, FARK isn't r/donald you stupid assholes quit acting like it is.
 
2020-10-23 10:24:20 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: Farkonaut: OptimisticCynicism: Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.

[Welcome to Fark.jpg]

I mean outside of the blatant trolls, Fark has a surprisingly high level of political sophistication and a lot of reasonably good anslysis.

Unfortunately, it runs into the same problem all groups do in terms of creating an overzealous echo chamber on some stuff.

I'd rather there at least be a few people flagging when we are taking stuff a bit too far.


..you know what the mods will tell you.

"Use ignore"

There are plenty of alternative voices on here, plenty of people on the Right, plenty of people that seem to like the splintery warmth that sitting on fences provides so they can sit here and claim from atop their pedestals of fairness and equality a suspicion of all things.

Again, if people on the right don't hang out here as much as lefties, that again is THEIR choice..

FARK does nothing to actively cultivate a liberal site.
As I said above, this isn't r\conservative, or r\donald.

If there are no conservatives here it's because they left to join their OWN echo chambers because this one wouldn't be one exclusively FOR them. 

Leaving because shiat isn't echo chamber enough for you doesn't mean we're an echo chamber for something else.
 
2020-10-23 10:25:07 AM  

Farkonaut: Aussie_As: Farkonaut: OptimisticCynicism: Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.

[Welcome to Fark.jpg]

Ha ha I wish. But if your takeaway from Fark is that folks are open minded then good on you, you've obviously had excellent experiences. That said, my top tip to you is NEVER open a gun thread.

Oh my GOD, some of you need to stop with this shiat OK... so farking stupid.

If fark tends towards liberal it's not because of some specific actions that FARK has taken to make it that way. It's because all those woke conservative voices with their alternate facts decided not to hang out here. Mostly because actual intelligent people that use facts, reality, and reason hang out here, and don't just lick the asshole of every post to karma-farm.  Yeah, What an echo chamber FARK is. 

Can you people really not understand the farking difference between actively cultivating a community into your echo chamber and a collection of like minded people that congregate in similar places of their own free will?

Stop with this shiat, FARK isn't r/donald you stupid assholes quit acting like it is.


Wow did not expect this, not sure where it's from, I like to consider myself an evidence-based Farker and I both enjoy support but also cop shiat from Farkers with a range of views and that's what I was indicating. My point was gun threads are generally the ones where actual evidence goes out the window. Sorry if not clear.
 
2020-10-23 10:25:26 AM  
If this was video taken by law enforcement doing a sting, there would be no doubt what was going on and its admissibility would only by questioned by rich guys with lots of lawyers.
 
2020-10-23 10:27:03 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Dr Dreidel: Rudy Giuliani thinks there are attractive 24 year old women who want to have sex with him with no ulterior motives.

(That's the joke.)

That's the problem that's being overlooked here.  It's not the underage thing (there's zero indication that she was up until Cohen comes in and announces it), or even the gropey/pervy thing (problem, granted, but not the big one).  It's that he eagerly went for such a flagrant, obvious honeypot.  This is a major official in the current administration, particularly with Donnie's "generous" interpretation of security clearances, and it never even occurs to him that this could potentially be any sort of scam.  Thank fark this was a jumped-up hidden camera prank show, rather than an actual attempt at gaining kompromat.  How many times has he fallen for this that we haven't seen on camera yet?


Amen, but let's also not forget that Rudy sells himself as a security expert.  http://www.giulianisecurity.com/ This isn't just some naive administration official falling for an obvious honeypot, it's someone whose very business is to be alert to these dangers.  This time it was just a comedian making a joke.  This time.
 
2020-10-23 10:33:54 AM  

Aussie_As: Farkonaut: Aussie_As: Farkonaut: OptimisticCynicism: Props on actually viewing stuff with an open mind instead of continuing the circle jerking this community had a blast with in the original thread.

[Welcome to Fark.jpg]

Ha ha I wish. But if your takeaway from Fark is that folks are open minded then good on you, you've obviously had excellent experiences. That said, my top tip to you is NEVER open a gun thread.

Oh my GOD, some of you need to stop with this shiat OK... so farking stupid.

If fark tends towards liberal it's not because of some specific actions that FARK has taken to make it that way. It's because all those woke conservative voices with their alternate facts decided not to hang out here. Mostly because actual intelligent people that use facts, reality, and reason hang out here, and don't just lick the asshole of every post to karma-farm.  Yeah, What an echo chamber FARK is. 

Can you people really not understand the farking difference between actively cultivating a community into your echo chamber and a collection of like minded people that congregate in similar places of their own free will?

Stop with this shiat, FARK isn't r/donald you stupid assholes quit acting like it is.

Wow did not expect this, not sure where it's from, I like to consider myself an evidence-based Farker and I both enjoy support but also cop shiat from Farkers with a range of views and that's what I was indicating. My point was gun threads are generally the ones where actual evidence goes out the window. Sorry if not clear.


I think they may have mistaken your reply for me replying to them.

I play devil's advocate a lot and actually do want to improve the level of discourse here. Though I don't remember ever comparing it to really shiatty communities or saying that the moderation was at fault.

// life is interesting when your "agreeableness" score wouldn't be much higher than 0.
 
2020-10-23 10:39:17 AM  
Gosh, what's all this about "Giuliani girl masturbation scene" that I am hearing about everywhere; but not fully reading it, so much so that I have a very weak understanding of any facts or context involved.

Tell me more about this "Giuliani girl masturbation scene" and please focus on how it should affect my overall political perspectives.

"Giuliani girl masturbation scene"... /s (was the /s needed?)
 
2020-10-23 10:49:03 AM  

ZangTT: Gosh, what's all this about "Giuliani girl masturbation scene" that I am hearing about everywhere; but not fully reading it, so much so that I have a very weak understanding of any facts or context involved.

Tell me more about this "Giuliani girl masturbation scene" and please focus on how it should affect my overall political perspectives.

"Giuliani girl masturbation scene"... /s (was the /s needed?)


Saw the film today. The scene in question was nothing illegal, nothing Clintonesque in terms of stains anywhere but certainly extremely weird in that there was obviously a camera crew in the room.

Would you pat a girl 40 years younger than you on the lower back for no apparent reason while cameras were rolling? It's a weird thing, and it makes one wonder about Rudy's judgement in cases where no camera crews are present. Don't focus on the sensational headline, the actual story is how farked is Rudy's judgement that any of this occurred and the only possible motive seems to be him getting his dick wet. I can't think of a comparable situation in US political history, other than perhaps the Dubya administration admitting there were no WMD's despite their best judgements which coincidently favoured Halliburton's financial agenda and at least in that case there was an obvious financial motive.
 
2020-10-23 10:59:53 AM  

Farkonaut: Oh my GOD, some of you need to stop with this shiat OK... so farking stupid.


Statement of problem.


Farkonaut: ..you know what the mods will tell you.

"Use ignore"


Statement of Solution


Unfortunately, your diagnosis of the perspective is a bit lacking. For example, I don't think Fark is too left-leaning. It is just a matter of having the "right" criticism rather than screaming "OMG PEDO" all the time.

/ I actually think the headline and similar jokes are perfectly good
// The list of people I feel sorry for less dealing with this kind of thing than Giuliani is really short
/// Roger Stone, Roger Ailes and whatever that lawyer that is associated with both Nixon and Trump come to mind
 
2020-10-23 11:02:02 AM  

syrynxx: I watched it all too.  It looked like she pulled his shirt out of his pants for some reason and he was definitely tucking it back in, because he used both hands pushing down.  You only need one hand to say hello to your best friend.


Speak for yourself...
 
2020-10-23 11:09:42 AM  
The "Just keep farking your cousin" (probably paraphrasing) line before exeunt stage left killed me.
 
2020-10-23 11:11:24 AM  

Aussie_As: GregoryD: Watched the whole thing tonight. It was pretty funny.

Obviously he went in there with bad intentions, but he really didn't do anything. She intentionally led him on. In no way does that girl look 15. Without even looking it up, I would say mid 20s.

Sasha is a master of the con though. Hilarious too. Best documentary about Melania ever.

COMPLETELY AGREED. Watched it today, you can't really say Rudy is a pedo because everything about the scene showed her as an adult, but he is a creepy gropey bastard as evidenced by him grabbing her lower back when he knew he was on camera. There is a big difference between pedo and gropey which is important to remember, Rudy is the latter not the former.

Enjoyed the film, obviously not as good as the original but the sequel made clear they couldn't repeat the original because Borat is so recognisable now. The (24 year old) actor playing Borat's (15 year old) daughter was brilliant, I hope she goes on to a big career after this.


Yeah, she's 24. The crack team of investigators down at IMDb cracked this one for us.

Plus if we're now going with "but the way he touched her back makes me think the totally unrelated evidence of Joe/Hunter's scheming isn't reliable" maybe you should image search 'Joe Biden Hair Smelling' and see if it affects your belief in his denials.
 
2020-10-23 11:13:26 AM  
Someone better call the burn unit.


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2020-10-23 11:16:51 AM  
 
2020-10-23 11:18:31 AM  
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"Lotsa guys tuck their shirt in while lying down on the bed. I know I do!"
 
2020-10-23 11:19:38 AM  

GregoryD: Watched the whole thing tonight. It was pretty funny.

Obviously he went in there with bad intentions, but he really didn't do anything. She intentionally led him on. In no way does that girl look 15. Without even looking it up, I would say mid 20s.

Sasha is a master of the con though. Hilarious too. Best documentary about Melania ever.


Maybe I'm old, but she looks super young (I'm only just starting the movie though)
 
2020-10-23 11:24:38 AM  

GrinzGrimly: Yeah, she's 24. The crack team of investigators down at IMDb cracked this one for us.

Plus if we're now going with "but the way he touched her back makes me think the totally unrelated evidence of Joe/Hunter's scheming isn't reliable" maybe you should image search 'Joe Biden Hair Smelling' and see if it affects your belief in his denials.


I agree the Biden optics aren't great on the hair smelling front.That said, Trump's 'pussy grabbing' comment was even worse because it confirmed what he's like beyond wondering.

It's amazing to the non-US world that the Dems couldn't find anyone better than Biden to be their candidate. At a time when the US economy has experienced a massive downturn, the Dems should be a shoo-in yet Trump is still within sight of victory. Where I live, nobody is voting for the 78 year old when it comes to significant leadership and that's just pragmatism, not ageism. The non-US world doesn't get what's happening here.

But in the absence of any evidence connecting Joe Biden with Hunter Biden's work life, there's no story there. Uncover evidence of meetings or influence or shut the fark up.
 
2020-10-23 11:24:47 AM  

Jairzinho: Judge by yourself...
https://twitter.com/mollyjongfast/stat​us/1319486885677453312?s=21


Huh. It does look like he's just tucking in his shirt.

But, that does not explain away that he decided to go into a hotel bedroom to drink with what he thought was an under aged girl.
 
2020-10-23 11:29:10 AM  

Aussie_As: But in the absence of any evidence connecting Joe Biden with Hunter Biden's work life, there's no story there. Uncover evidence of meetings or influence or shut the fark up.


That hard drive has passed through so many hands, any chain of evidence has been destroyed.

Pretty sure some of those hands were Russian.
 
2020-10-23 11:39:32 AM  
"Tucking my shirt in"  Riiight

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2020-10-23 12:01:26 PM  

Smoking GNU: Lambskincoat: Why do Republicans not understand what the word "context" means?

Same reason they never seem to understand what "consent" means.


"You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine, whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left."

-Rush Limbaugh

The rape police. Also known as the police because you just committed rape.
 
2020-10-23 12:13:28 PM  

GregoryD: Watched the whole thing tonight. It was pretty funny.

Obviously he went in there with bad intentions, but he really didn't do anything. She intentionally led him on. In no way does that girl look 15. Without even looking it up, I would say mid 20s.

Sasha is a master of the con though. Hilarious too. Best documentary about Melania ever.


At the risk of sounding like I'm remotely defending Rudy, the "She's 15" thing was meant to be a joke for the movie. At no point was he ever led to believe she was anything other than the age she looked. He's still a vampire sex creep, but at least in this case he thought she was easily of age at least. And she was
 
2020-10-23 12:14:59 PM  

dsmith42: Smoking GNU: Lambskincoat: Why do Republicans not understand what the word "context" means?

Same reason they never seem to understand what "consent" means.

"You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine, whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left."

-Rush Limbaugh

The rape police. Also known as the police because you just committed rape.


So, is he trying to frame consent as a bad thing?
 
2020-10-23 12:16:52 PM  

edmo: If this was video taken by law enforcement doing a sting, there would be no doubt what was going on and its admissibility would only by questioned by rich guys with lots of lawyers.


Soooo much this. Rudi Guiliani got 2 strokes in a hotel room with what he thought was a 15 year old. No other way to frame it folks. If you're falling for the tuck you're an enabler.
 
2020-10-23 12:18:26 PM  

wage0048: Okay, Faux News: In what context is it okay for a 76-year-old male to masturbate in a room with what he believes to be a 15-year-old girl?


Did he believe that? I haven't seen it yet, but is there any part before Borat says "She's 15, too old for you" that indicates Rudy thought she was underage?
 
2020-10-23 12:20:40 PM  

Aussie_As: ParallelUniverseParking: So Rudy Giuliani was masturbating out of context? Kinky.

See the film, there's no suggestion he was grabbing his junk but there's plenty of suggestion he thought he might be on with the young woman (not girl) in the scene as per his completely unnecessary lower back touching when he knew he was on camera. It's not as bad as the suggestions about the scene hinting he's a pedo but it's nevertheless gropey and misogynistic, that should be the actual story here.

And in part it's kinda what frustrates me (and I'm guessing much of the non-US world) about how Americans deal with Trump. The impeachment fizzled because it was done too soon with not enough evidence and Trump is off the hook with a lot of American voters accordingly. Likewise the story should be "Rudy has abysmal judgement because he was completely sucked in by Sacha Baron Cohen" but instead the highlight is Ruby appearing to grab his dick and the story is "Rudy didn't actually grab his dick in front of a woman he barely knows" because that's actually true, and it changes nothing.


This is either incredible stupid or incredibly wrong. Take your pick. We had him offering a quid pro quo in front of multiple eye witnesses and then they tried to cover it up which was again part of the whistleblowing action.

They had him dead to rights in a normal impeachment hearing but the process is political so of course the GOP wasn't going to convict him in the senate. If he were a normal citizen he'd have been nailed to the wall by a DOJ for soliciting illegal campaign assistance. I hope, but do not expect, that he gets nailed for it after he leaves office.
 
2020-10-23 12:21:11 PM  

TDWCom29: GregoryD: ...

At the risk of sounding like I'm remotely defending Rudy, the "She's 15" thing was meant to be a joke for the movie. At no point was he ever led to believe she was anything other than the age she looked. He's still a vampire sex creep, but at least in this case he thought she was easily of age at least. And she was


Exactly. That's the story the crowd obsessing about the pedo stuff are missing. If Sacha Baron Cohen's one shot at this scene managed to get Rudy flirting outrageously then putting his hand around her lower back with a camera crew rolling, then the obvious question is how compromised is this guy by foreign powers using centuries old honeytrap techniques where the witnesses aren't actually right there in the room?

She doesn't need to be 15. A fairly cute 24 year old will do perfectly well. Exhibit A - the Borat footage.
 
2020-10-23 12:26:25 PM  

TDWCom29: wage0048: Okay, Faux News: In what context is it okay for a 76-year-old male to masturbate in a room with what he believes to be a 15-year-old girl?

Did he believe that? I haven't seen it yet, but is there any part before Borat says "She's 15, too old for you" that indicates Rudy thought she was underage?


Saw the film today and the simple answer is no. She was there to conduct a prearranged interview for a foreign media network, she was in a business suit and had a film crew in tow, her credentials checked out. The actor playing Borat's daughter is 24 and looks it (although there's the occasional 15 year old who could pass for 24 too admittedly).

Rudy was bad but misogynist bad not pedo bad.
 
2020-10-23 12:29:43 PM  

redmid17: Aussie_As: ParallelUniverseParking: So Rudy Giuliani was masturbating out of context? Kinky.

See the film, there's no suggestion he was grabbing his junk but there's plenty of suggestion he thought he might be on with the young woman (not girl) in the scene as per his completely unnecessary lower back touching when he knew he was on camera. It's not as bad as the suggestions about the scene hinting he's a pedo but it's nevertheless gropey and misogynistic, that should be the actual story here.

And in part it's kinda what frustrates me (and I'm guessing much of the non-US world) about how Americans deal with Trump. The impeachment fizzled because it was done too soon with not enough evidence and Trump is off the hook with a lot of American voters accordingly. Likewise the story should be "Rudy has abysmal judgement because he was completely sucked in by Sacha Baron Cohen" but instead the highlight is Ruby appearing to grab his dick and the story is "Rudy didn't actually grab his dick in front of a woman he barely knows" because that's actually true, and it changes nothing.

This is either incredible stupid or incredibly wrong. Take your pick. We had him offering a quid pro quo in front of multiple eye witnesses and then they tried to cover it up which was again part of the whistleblowing action.

They had him dead to rights in a normal impeachment hearing but the process is political so of course the GOP wasn't going to convict him in the senate. If he were a normal citizen he'd have been nailed to the wall by a DOJ for soliciting illegal campaign assistance. I hope, but do not expect, that he gets nailed for it after he leaves office.


I don't disagree with a single point but the fact is there's an election on in a couple of weeks and these details are getting no oxygen at all. I stand by my point that the impeachment was wasted by going early. It's having zero impact this week, that's for sure, no matter how great you want to pretend it went.
 
2020-10-23 12:34:12 PM  

BunkyBrewman: kindms: The context everyone seems to be missing is Rudy willingly and without much proving is ready willing and able to be bribed by foreign governments

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!

And it's not just Rudy, it's everyone that Trump surrounds himself with.  The overwhelming majority of them are just a bunch of grifters (especially Trump's kids which explains his projecting in last night's debate) trying to stuff as much money in their pockets as possible while the going is good.


Reposting from the other thread:

@SethAbramson:  PS11/ That Giuliani's apparent sexual quid pro quo can be suddenly interrupted by a "father" informing him that the foreign national from a former Soviet republic he's engaged in a compromising scene with is "underage" is exactly what makes the situation so dangerous for America.

@SethAbramson:  PS12/ Had the "father" in this scene been a Russian intelligence operative rather than a filmmaker, he would have *maintained* the lie that Bakalova was underage, and used the recording of the scene-which Giuliani didn't know about-as *blackmail* over the president's lawyer. See?
 
2020-10-23 12:38:17 PM  

Aussie_As: redmid17: Aussie_As: ParallelUniverseParking: So Rudy Giuliani was masturbating out of context? Kinky.

See the film, there's no suggestion he was grabbing his junk but there's plenty of suggestion he thought he might be on with the young woman (not girl) in the scene as per his completely unnecessary lower back touching when he knew he was on camera. It's not as bad as the suggestions about the scene hinting he's a pedo but it's nevertheless gropey and misogynistic, that should be the actual story here.

And in part it's kinda what frustrates me (and I'm guessing much of the non-US world) about how Americans deal with Trump. The impeachment fizzled because it was done too soon with not enough evidence and Trump is off the hook with a lot of American voters accordingly. Likewise the story should be "Rudy has abysmal judgement because he was completely sucked in by Sacha Baron Cohen" but instead the highlight is Ruby appearing to grab his dick and the story is "Rudy didn't actually grab his dick in front of a woman he barely knows" because that's actually true, and it changes nothing.

This is either incredible stupid or incredibly wrong. Take your pick. We had him offering a quid pro quo in front of multiple eye witnesses and then they tried to cover it up which was again part of the whistleblowing action.

They had him dead to rights in a normal impeachment hearing but the process is political so of course the GOP wasn't going to convict him in the senate. If he were a normal citizen he'd have been nailed to the wall by a DOJ for soliciting illegal campaign assistance. I hope, but do not expect, that he gets nailed for it after he leaves office.

I don't disagree with a single point but the fact is there's an election on in a couple of weeks and these details are getting no oxygen at all. I stand by my point that the impeachment was wasted by going early. It's having zero impact this week, that's for sure, no matter how great you want to pretend it went.


It didn't go great but you have to balance ideal timing with being able to keep the caucus together. Pelosi wasn't perfect but it was about as good as was going to happen in that respect.

You glossing over this isn't surprising because it undermines your point, but frankly that particular issue amongst the litany of things that should have torpedoed is presidency wouldn't even make the top 3 right now. Your read of the room vis a vis American politics is pretty off
 
2020-10-23 12:39:38 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dsmith42: Smoking GNU: Lambskincoat: Why do Republicans not understand what the word "context" means?

Same reason they never seem to understand what "consent" means.

"You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine, whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left."

-Rush Limbaugh

The rape police. Also known as the police because you just committed rape.

So, is he trying to frame consent as a bad thing?


You need to know the Limbaugh model...

The following rules apply no matter the topic:

1 - It must made to make liberals look bad. Either as hypocritical, stupid, laughable, or to be mocked.
2 - It must imply that conservative views are ranked higher and therefore superior to liberal views, even when something reflects badly on conservatives.
3 - Distort all topics that conservatives are against by using hyperbolic language so that it can be mocked.
4 - Lead listeners to come to most of these conclusions themselves without directly telling them how to think.

Here we have an excellent example of the model at work.

Imply that liberals are accepting of any sex, including that which conservatives see as deviant (rule 1).
Name the topic in which you are about to distort.
Cement the deviancy of sex.
Imply that conservatives because they can use common sense to know when consent is implied and therefore superior by making liberals have a zero tolerance policy on consent, AND that the consent topic leaves zero room for tolerance to begin with. (rule 2)
Using hyperbolic language to describe how liberals would react to hearing that someone might have implied consent but didn't *give* consent. (rule 3)
Let the listeners "come to their own conclusion about consent" by more hyperbolic language that is then left in the air to hang. (Rule 4)
 
2020-10-23 12:41:15 PM  

TDWCom29: wage0048: Okay, Faux News: In what context is it okay for a 76-year-old male to masturbate in a room with what he believes to be a 15-year-old girl?

Did he believe that? I haven't seen it yet, but is there any part before Borat says "She's 15, too old for you" that indicates Rudy thought she was underage?


Again... I haven't watched the movie, but someone said in one of these threads that she was there on assignment for her highschool journalism class...

Someone who has seen the movie please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
2020-10-23 12:43:46 PM  

Aussie_As: It's amazing to the non-US world that the Dems couldn't find anyone better than Biden to be their candidate. At a time when the US economy has experienced a massive downturn, the Dems should be a shoo-in yet Trump is still within sight of victory. Where I live, nobody is voting for the 78 year old when it comes to significant leadership and that's just pragmatism, not ageism. The non-US world doesn't get what's happening here.


So I think a lot of it comes down to demographic shift, our U.S. equiv of a caste system and the different factions within Democratic party.

The caste system essentially has previously sorted by wealth and whether you are white.

Globalization(off shoring), robotics and similar trends have farked everyone not "wealthy"(which are mostly white but not exclusively).

That means everyone that isn't wealthy is rightfully pissed off.

Where things get a little unique is that the U. S. is undergoing the transformation from a majority white country to a country that doesn't actually have any single demographic majority.

What that means is that a lot of mostly old white people are not only pissed off because they got shafted by the rich, but is suddenly getting put on equal footing with their non-white counterparts because white culture is dominating less.

Which brings me to the odd position of African Americans in the Democratic party.

They don't really have options when it comes to political party. You are either supporting the Democrats or you are supporting the party of Segregation. This means that as a voting block they have a massive influence in the party AND they aren't as liberal as white democrats Overall because their (mostly old) conservatives don't have anywhere else to go.

So to win the presidency you needed someone that doesn't piss off the fading, old, white, midwest majority.

To win the Democratic primary you need to win over conservative southern African Americans OR younger voters from all groups AND show that you have a chance to win the presidency.

There wasn't anyone that had a good chance of getting both young voters and older, white voters. So unsurprisingly the coalition of older voters like older candidates.

No one else in the Democratic party had as much credibility with older African Americans while also being a candidate that older whites can "feel good about ". So we got Biden.
 
2020-10-23 12:44:34 PM  
Ok, she looked a LOT younger in the beginning of the movie. By the time she's interviewing him, she looks of age and is drinking. The bat eating thing was obviously said in jest. If that had gone any longer, though, I don't think there would be any question of his intent. Man he's gross.
 
2020-10-23 12:45:55 PM  

redmid17: It didn't go great but you have to balance ideal timing with being able to keep the caucus together. Pelosi wasn't perfect but it was about as good as was going to happen in that respect.

You glossing over this isn't surprising because it undermines your point, but frankly that particular issue amongst the litany of things that should have torpedoed is presidency wouldn't even make the top 3 right now. Your read of the room vis a vis American politics is pretty off


Fair enough. I expected the system to either work or prove its failure in a way which would be relevent come election time. You're telling me I was asking for way too much. You're probably right.

Which really just proves my point too - the impeachment bizzo was ineffective which is what I said in the first place, and you agree.

So thanks.
 
2020-10-23 12:50:08 PM  
If this was Russian intelligence instead of SBC, the scenario would play like this:

1. Set Rudy up to be "interviewed" by a young, pretty journalist, who could plausibly be perceived to be of legal consent age.

2. Through flirting and sharing of alcohol, the girl lures Rudy back to her bedroom, that happens to be loaded with hidden cameras.

3. Rudy proceeds to get down with the get down and actually has sex with the girl; but instead of SBC busting in and yelling "She's 15, too old for you!", it's a couple of scary looking goons.

4. Said goons calmly explain to Rudy that the girl he just banged is 15 years old and, lo and behold, here's her I.D. that proves it, and now they have time-stamped video proof.

Republicans want context? Well there's your context.
 
2020-10-23 12:52:38 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: Aussie_As: It's amazing to the non-US world that the Dems couldn't find anyone better than Biden to be their candidate. At a time when the US economy has experienced a massive downturn, the Dems should be a shoo-in yet Trump is still within sight of victory. Where I live, nobody is voting for the 78 year old when it comes to significant leadership and that's just pragmatism, not ageism. The non-US world doesn't get what's happening here.

So I think a lot of it comes down to demographic shift, our U.S. equiv of a caste system and the different factions within Democratic party.

The caste system essentially has previously sorted by wealth and whether you are white.

Globalization(off shoring), robotics and similar trends have farked everyone not "wealthy"(which are mostly white but not exclusively).

That means everyone that isn't wealthy is rightfully pissed off.

Where things get a little unique is that the U. S. is undergoing the transformation from a majority white country to a country that doesn't actually have any single demographic majority.

What that means is that a lot of mostly old white people are not only pissed off because they got shafted by the rich, but is suddenly getting put on equal footing with their non-white counterparts because white culture is dominating less.

Which brings me to the odd position of African Americans in the Democratic party.

They don't really have options when it comes to political party. You are either supporting the Democrats or you are supporting the party of Segregation. This means that as a voting block they have a massive influence in the party AND they aren't as liberal as white democrats Overall because their (mostly old) conservatives don't have anywhere else to go.

So to win the presidency you needed someone that doesn't piss off the fading, old, white, midwest majority.

To win the Democratic primary you need to win over conservative southern African Americans OR younger voters from all groups AND show that you ...


What scares the conservatives is; the Vice President (hopefully) will be a liberal woman of color, with a very good chance of becoming President.

That scares the shiat out of them.
 
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