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2020-10-22 8:14:48 PM  
150 votes:
Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.
 
2020-10-23 12:40:03 AM  
80 votes:
COVID. No health care improvements. No stimulus. No minimum wage increase.

For this?

The pulse of America is NOT ON ABORTION.
There is something more going on: a full-on coup of the legal system.
 
2020-10-22 8:22:40 PM  
78 votes:
Going forward, I intend to refer to her only as Of Donald.
 
2020-10-22 8:22:12 PM  
76 votes:

FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.


Tie highway funding to a state having safe and reasonably access for women's health care. States could have their own law but that doesn't mean the majority of the US should not be able to express displeasure by not giving those states federal money.
 
2020-10-23 2:29:17 AM  
65 votes:
Hey look. The thing everyone jumped up and down 4 years ago and warned people was going to happen if Trump got elected is going to happen.

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2020-10-22 11:46:54 PM  
56 votes:
This is what happens when you don't vote.
 
2020-10-22 10:53:00 PM  
53 votes:
Can we just reduce SCOTUS justices to 7? And remove the last two?
 
2020-10-23 2:51:55 AM  
46 votes:
The "pro-life" movement in America does not want fewer abortions, because the policies that lead to fewer abortions have been known for decades and they are against all of them.  Comprehensive sex education, universal access to prophylactics, and a social safety net robust enough that an unplanned child does not ruin a persons life are all factors that reduce abortion.   Their opposite increases the number of abortions, and the "pro-life" movement supports them all because they want as many abortions as possible, as long as they are illegal and unregulated and therefore likely to cause injury to the women that had sex without permission from the leaders of the "pro-life" movement.  The mistresses and daughters of the leaders will always be capable of visiting civilized nations that throw theocratic assholes like the "pro-life" movement out on their asses when it comes to policy, but they want to maim and kill as many poor women as possible to satisfy their sadistic urges.
 
2020-10-23 3:09:29 AM  
41 votes:
91% of abortions occur by the 13th week.  By 15 weeks, the vast majority of pregnant women are looking forward to having their child.  They have come up with a list of names, starting thinking about nursery colors, and are excited about seeing their little bundle of joy for the first time.  I know that the dumb Mississippi law contains some language for fetal abnormalities and emergencies, but such a law doesn't need to exist in the first place.  Women aren't carrying their babies for 4 months and then saying "nah, rather not be pregnant."  My wife had to undergo an abortion at 18 weeks.  It was the worst day of my life and one that I will never, ever, fully get over. We had a name, first baby outfit.  Those went into a grave.
 
2020-10-23 2:35:00 AM  
39 votes:
Hey Mississippi, how' that infant/child mortality rate? Still worst in the country? Still equivalent to a third world nation. Good thing you're saving all those fetuses because god knows you couldn't give a shiat about an actual living human being.
 
2020-10-22 10:50:24 PM  
34 votes:
If this is the plan they may have played themselves. Biden is set up (albeit with the always lame "study panel" excuse) to move forward with court expansion after a provocation. Overturning Roe v. Wade would be the perfect such justification politically for adding four new Supreme Court justices.

Not that I want that to happen. Such a ruling would be the most harmful since Citizens United and contrary to what a lot of liberals say, would not be the end of the anti choice movement.
 
2020-10-23 2:29:44 AM  
33 votes:

Cagey B: If this is the plan they may have played themselves. Biden is set up (albeit with the always lame "study panel" excuse) to move forward with court expansion after a provocation. Overturning Roe v. Wade would be the perfect such justification politically for adding four new Supreme Court justices.

Not that I want that to happen. Such a ruling would be the most harmful since Citizens United and contrary to what a lot of liberals say, would not be the end of the anti choice movement.


Nine new justices, double the size of the court, ranging from liberal for one to the libbiest libs that evar libbed for the others.

Also, you're absolutely right. They want to outlaw birth control to ensure they have a steady supply of undereducated / uneducated people for their slave class.
 
2020-10-23 2:21:14 AM  
33 votes:

puffy999: COVID. No health care improvements. No stimulus. No minimum wage increase.

For this?

The pulse of America is NOT ON ABORTION.
There is something more going on: a full-on coup of the legal system.


Of course
They want Gilead with a side of Nazi internment camps
 
2020-10-22 9:53:52 PM  
31 votes:
The abortion issue is going to be a never ending battle.
 
2020-10-23 2:49:49 AM  
26 votes:
Next on the chopping block:  the ACA, access to contraceptives, QUILTBAG rights, divorce, desegregated schools, public schools, EMTALA, workplace safety, the federal minimum wage, labor unions, women's suffrage, black suffrage, the actual definition of "American citizen," the right to privacy, environmental protection regulations, what's left of our public safety nets, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

Folks, I hope you enjoyed the latter half of the twentieth century and the first couple of decades of this one.  Because it looks like the next few years are going to look like someone reversed the film at eight times normal speed.
 
2020-10-22 9:12:22 PM  
26 votes:
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2020-10-23 2:31:06 AM  
25 votes:

Naido: Look at what Republican judges have, and haven't delivered.  Economics are first and foremost in the minds of Republicans


Economics have no pushback. Liberals in the US are ALSO neoliberals.

The fact that THE POPE is now more forward thinking than the Republican Party and EVERY SINGLE CONSERVATIVE JUDGE re: gay marriage says so farking much. And yet, after abortion, that is next.
 
2020-10-23 2:45:00 AM  
24 votes:

fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


It's a mistake to think they'll stop at Roe v. Wade. After that falls the next battleground is the states, where they'll try to outlaw abortion in as many places as they can. Not to mention the fight that will be a federal bill to criminalize it.

Handing these assholes a victory like that will not make them go away. It will embolden them and make them even more dangerous.
 
2020-10-23 2:41:41 AM  
24 votes:
What timing...

They kick this to SCOTUS just as the corrupt senate is gonna give the nazis a majority to overturn roe v wade.

Fark these people, they need to be put to the sword. They can take their christian taliban BS and farking die for their god.
 
2020-10-23 2:26:20 AM  
24 votes:

FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.


I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.
 
2020-10-23 2:47:05 AM  
23 votes:

Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.


Or when you do a cute little "protest" vote and vote third party or vote for Bernie.
 
2020-10-23 3:05:39 AM  
22 votes:

gcc: Gentle reminder that if a democrats win control of both houses and the presidency and this still happens, they've decided it's ok if abortion is outlawed.


Oh yeah both sides are bad, don't forget that, its important right now to focus on blaming people in advance for something you think they might do.

farking idiots
 
2020-10-23 2:38:37 AM  
21 votes:

fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


They'll move to Obergefell v. Hodges next.

They Brown bs Board of Education.

And then, and then, up until they reach Gibbons v. Ogden.
 
2020-10-23 2:52:56 AM  
18 votes:

fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


Nah, they've got that covered.   "Vote Republican or the Democrats will re-legalize child murder again."  Easy peasy.
 
2020-10-23 3:12:16 AM  
17 votes:

Sandelaphon: The "pro-life" movement in America does not want fewer abortions, because the policies that lead to fewer abortions have been known for decades and they are against all of them.  Comprehensive sex education, universal access to prophylactics, and a social safety net robust enough that an unplanned child does not ruin a persons life are all factors that reduce abortion.   Their opposite increases the number of abortions, and the "pro-life" movement supports them all because they want as many abortions as possible, as long as they are illegal and unregulated and therefore likely to cause injury to the women that had sex without permission from the leaders of the "pro-life" movement.  The mistresses and daughters of the leaders will always be capable of visiting civilized nations that throw theocratic assholes like the "pro-life" movement out on their asses when it comes to policy, but they want to maim and kill as many poor women as possible to satisfy their sadistic urges.


+1 Smart click.

It's about control and subjugation through punishment.

Comes from a religious based patriarchal mind set that percieves a woman as property of her family before she becomes property of her husband.

Not so fun fact: Early rape law made rape a crime against a man's property and not a woman's person.

It's never been a pro life movement just an anti women's rights & pro Christianity based law movement.
 
2020-10-23 12:47:01 AM  
17 votes:
It's a money maker for the GOP.
Add SCOTUS seats, add PR and DC, and boom. Never have to worry about this shiat again.
 
2020-10-23 7:39:52 AM  
15 votes:
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2020-10-23 2:38:36 AM  
15 votes:
It's always been about power and control. Republicans desire power to control everything they hate and fear. Which is all non-Republicans, minorities, women, and people who don't have sex with who they demand they do. And that means turning America into a Christian theocracy with the government everywhere. "Party of small government", indeed.
 
2020-10-23 2:27:55 AM  
15 votes:

puffy999: COVID. No health care improvements. No stimulus. No minimum wage increase.

For this?

The pulse of America is NOT ON ABORTION.
There is something more going on: a full-on coup of the legal system.


Look at what Republican judges have, and haven't delivered.  Economics are first and foremost in the minds of Republicans.  Their justices come through for them on that over and over, year after year.

If their non-rich base ever gets abortion outlawed, well that's a bonus.  Abortion is the only issue that seems to warrant media coverage, but Republicans are busy delivering to the guys who write the checks.
 
2020-10-22 9:21:02 PM  
15 votes:
I can see myself rage stroking out before this all rights itself.
 
2020-10-23 3:49:29 AM  
14 votes:
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And that future is incredibly farking nigh.
 
2020-10-23 3:23:37 AM  
13 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.

Look, man, how many times do I have to explain this?  I. WAS. NOT. INSPIRED.


Bernie lost and endorsed the nominee. Twice. Most of us have gotten over that.
 
2020-10-23 2:56:31 AM  
11 votes:
Any overseas farkers want to hire an American cook?
 
2020-10-23 3:02:15 AM  
10 votes:
I don't think she'll outright overturn Roe, she'll just but the "substantial burden" test from Planned Parenthood v Casey.  States will be able to place whatever arbitrary hurdles they wish in the way of abortion providers as long as they have the patina of medical value.  Want to operate a clinic?  You need admitting privileges at a local hospital, you also need a clinic doors wider than your hallways and taller than your roof, and a waterslide in the foyer.
 
2020-10-23 2:35:08 AM  
10 votes:

FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.


Anti-Abortionists:  "Good riddance."

I hope that you weren't expecting them to shed a tear.
 
2020-10-23 3:37:50 AM  
9 votes:
If Biden wins and Democrats take the Senate, they need to go balls-to-the-wall to fix this shiat. Expand the court by at least double (preferably more), have Congress pass a law explicitly making abortion legal, and if it's challenged, send it right to the newly-rebalanced SCOTUS.

Republicans have been shiatting all over precedent and playing every dirty political trick they can think of to haul America backwards for decades. It's time to use their own tricks against them to push America into the 21st century. And in the meantime, arrest and prosecute Republican leaders for corruption, espionage, violations of every ethics law in the book, crimes against humanity, etc.; it varies, of course, from Republican to Republican.

We need to treat the GOP like post-war Germany treated the Nazis, and how America SHOULD have treated the Confederates. As I'm anti-death penalty, I'd prefer them to be locked up for years/life (again, depending on the Republican) rather than being executed; plus, making them watch America recover without them would be worse than death for those scumbags.
 
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2020-10-23 3:01:36 AM  
9 votes:
Gentle reminder that if a democrats win control of both houses and the presidency and this still happens, they've decided it's ok if abortion is outlawed.

/ Don't let anyone off the hook, regardless of party.
// And by hook I mean coat hanger
/// Literal slashies
 
2020-10-23 3:13:19 AM  
8 votes:

dark brew: 91% of abortions occur by the 13th week.  By 15 weeks, the vast majority of pregnant women are looking forward to having their child.  They have come up with a list of names, starting thinking about nursery colors, and are excited about seeing their little bundle of joy for the first time.  I know that the dumb Mississippi law contains some language for fetal abnormalities and emergencies, but such a law doesn't need to exist in the first place.  Women aren't carrying their babies for 4 months and then saying "nah, rather not be pregnant."  My wife had to undergo an abortion at 18 weeks.  It was the worst day of my life and one that I will never, ever, fully get over. We had a name, first baby outfit.  Those went into a grave.


Everyone knows that but the foam-dripping maniacs who think babies are being aborted two days after birth because the mom is to busy to have babies right now.
 
2020-10-23 3:11:08 AM  
8 votes:

gcc: Gentle reminder that if a democrats win control of both houses and the presidency and this still happens, they've decided it's ok if abortion is outlawed.

/ Don't let anyone off the hook, regardless of party.
// And by hook I mean coat hanger
/// Literal slashies


This will happen regardless because Congress has zero input on Supreme Court decisions.

Congress being 110% Democratic (or Republican) has no impact on how the justices ultimately decide a case. Congress could stand at the doors screaming "SAVE ROE!" and the vote could still be 9-0 to overturn if the Court wanted it to be.
 
2020-10-23 3:17:09 AM  
7 votes:

dark brew: 91% of abortions occur by the 13th week.  By 15 weeks, the vast majority of pregnant women are looking forward to having their child.  They have come up with a list of names, starting thinking about nursery colors, and are excited about seeing their little bundle of joy for the first time.  I know that the dumb Mississippi law contains some language for fetal abnormalities and emergencies, but such a law doesn't need to exist in the first place.  Women aren't carrying their babies for 4 months and then saying "nah, rather not be pregnant."  My wife had to undergo an abortion at 18 weeks.  It was the worst day of my life and one that I will never, ever, fully get over. We had a name, first baby outfit.  Those went into a grave.


To add to what you say (and so sorry for what you went through) there is a ballot initiative here in Colorado to ban abortion after 24 weeks. I am pro-choice but after reading it I ignorantly said out loud "By 24 weeks shouldn't she know though?"

To which my very anti-abortion but pro-choice SO said "Who the fark are you or the government to tell me what I can do with my body?!?!?"

I will be voting no on that initiative.
 
2020-10-23 3:01:37 AM  
7 votes:
Well, what the fark did you think was going to happen, ya' farks?  Hmm?  Did you think that Trump would keep his head down throughout his presidency and be a harmless figurehead?  Did you think that you could just ignore who sat in the goddamned big chair?  He said he was gonna.  We said lots and lots of innocent people would die.  Well, here the fark we are, hi-diddly-fark-a-roo.  What do you think is going to happen for the next four years?
 
2020-10-23 2:30:08 AM  
7 votes:

fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


It really depends on how many of the GOP voter base are adamant on this or are simply cultists who would vote GOP even if it costs them anything.  Either way this is a poor decision that is going to result in a lot of woe and the Republicans do not give a shiat.
 
2020-10-23 7:17:47 AM  
6 votes:

havocmike: I've always kind of toyed with the idea of "what would happen to politics if Democrats just conceded on abortion?" A mental exercise. Would the evangelicals shift to the democratic economic message now that it's off the table? Would the democratic party suffer at the polls if they were forced to campaign on "let's bring back abortions, gang!"

We're about to find out.


After getting their way on abortion evangelicals will move to banning contraceptives. They will never give a shiat about economic issues because they believe that if your poor it means you're a failure in gods eyes or some such nonsense. Evangelicals are led by billionaires who make their money off human suffering, economic equality is the last thing they want.
 
2020-10-23 4:21:50 AM  
6 votes:

englaja: ChrisDe: Can we just reduce SCOTUS justices to 7? And remove the last two?

That requires a House majority and a Senate 2/3 majority.

Fortunately, adding new states only requires a House and Senate majority and Presidential approval.

So, an extra 25 states it is, all heavily Democratic. Give the Republicoonts a taste of their own medicine.


Don't need to add that many states. Could definitely do a lot of state-merging (as well as adding DC and Puerto Rico, at minimum). There is no reason we need two Dakotas, and Wyoming sure as hell doesn't need to be its own state either, just for starters.

Hell, the primary reason there are two Dakotas in the first place was because Republicans wanted extra power in the Senate.

And if the Democrats take the Senate, the first order of business should be to nuke the filibuster. The second should be to start prosecuting Republicans for abuse of power, general corruption, and a laundry list of other shiat they don't even bother to hide. Just enforce existing laws, and the entire GOP could be in jail before 2022.
 
2020-10-23 3:11:09 AM  
6 votes:
Our nation needs to consider changing what it charges for legal fees.

Abortion being legal CANNOT HARM YOU. A legal challenge to an issue which CANNOT CAUSE PERSONAL HARM should receive a higher cost, to file and ESPECIALLY to lose.

Nobody except child rapist loving Republicans (in the US) believe a clump of cells is a baby.
 
2020-10-23 2:51:26 AM  
6 votes:
These talibans farks want a crusade? They gonna get one if they keep this up
 
2020-10-23 2:48:06 AM  
6 votes:
You can't prop up your state economy with federal welfare dollars if you let women have a say in what happens to their bodies, apparently.
 
2020-10-23 2:47:39 AM  
6 votes:

puffy999: COVID. No health care improvements. No stimulus. No minimum wage increase.

For this?

The pulse of America is NOT ON ABORTION.
There is something more going on: a full-on coup of the legal system.


*Anything* the Russpublican haters-of-America want from Infectious ACB, it matters not one bit if she's on the court before or after the election.

With one exception: If the party of outright treason attempts to corrupt the vote counts and have the SCOTUS steal the election for one of the worst monsters in American history.
 
2020-10-23 10:50:13 AM  
5 votes:

patrick767: fusillade762: A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.

Nah. The GOP will keep them riled up with constant "Democrats will make murdering babies legal again!!!1!" claims.


Next will be "Birth control must be outlawed because it kills babies."
Then "Pregnant women must be monitored so they don't hurt/kill their babies."
Then "All women of childbearing age must be monitored so they don't hurt/kill a potential baby."
 
2020-10-23 7:40:08 AM  
5 votes:

HypnozombieX: Koodz: Cythraul: fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.

As I've said before, the wedge issue will change from make abortion illegal, to keep abortion illegal.  I see no reason why the latter tactic would draw less enthusiasm from conservative voters than the former tactic.

Yep. "Those liberals want to bring back the atrocity of abortion."

Oh that message will start losing value right away as women are reminded why abortion was made legal in the first place. Also, once the inevitable stories of prominent conservatives secretly sending their daughters into blue states to get abortions start rollin in.


I believed that until this virus came. Now I realize that people will excuse death and permanent incapacitation all around them, even when it happens to their own friends and family, as long as it fits their narrative. Grandma didn't die of coronavirus. She was old. My friend was overweight/underweight/diabetic/had a heart murmur. He certainly didn't die because the people I voted for failed to protect him from a pandemic.

They'll jump through similar mental hoops when the abortion wards start filling with dying young women again. If it happens to a stranger she deserved it and if it happens to their own family they'll reject their own family as sinners.

Dead white girls probably will not turn them off. Dead black and brown girls sure as hell won't.

I'd be more likely to believe legal abortion will come back if the white middle class starts thinking a tidal wave of black and brown babies is coming for their jobs and their lily white daughters' virtue.

That's the one thing that mystifies me about the whole argument. Suppose they're right and we'd have 50 million more people in this country right now if abortion were illegal. Who farking wants that? And considering how many of them would be nonwhite, why do the racist evangelicals think they want that?
 
2020-10-23 6:25:27 AM  
5 votes:
fark Mississippi.  Yeah, that's right fark the whole state in general.  What net positive have they ever contributed to the country?  We'd be better off making Puerto Rico a state and demoting Mississippi to a territory.
 
2020-10-23 5:38:35 AM  
5 votes:

Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.


This is also what happens when you've so utterly abandoned the average American citizen that not many average American citizens see the point in voting for you.
 
2020-10-23 5:04:20 AM  
5 votes:
The Proud Boys and Junior Trumpers will cheer, and then realize that without the option of flushing any accidental spawn, women will want to fark them even less.
 
2020-10-23 4:12:40 AM  
5 votes:

jst3p: I am not OK with Roe being overturned. That being said, if you live in a right wing shiat-hole, farking move. I hear people say "Not everyone has the funds to move" and to that I say bullshiat. When I was 18 I moved from Cali (not a shiathole) to Washington state (again not a shiathole). I was broke as fark, that made it easy to move, everything I owned was liquidated in a garage sale or fit in my car.


When I was in my late 20's I had a fiance and a kid and I was living in Florida (long story but Florida is a shiathole) to the Denver metro area. We were still living paycheck to paycheck but we found a way to do it.

Now that I am doing much better financially it would actually be more difficult to uproot and move.

Tell these right wing shiatholes that they can go fark themselves by moving to a sane blue state.


From what I understand many of the right wing red herp-a-derp states have tiny islands of blue in them called 'cities'.
It's hard to move an entire city.
 
2020-10-23 11:14:28 AM  
4 votes:
I had to explain to a friend on Facebook that overturning Roe v Wade wouldn't immediately make abortion illegal nationwide.

Here's my prediction, once there's a conservative majority in place:


Roe v Wade gets overturned.
States where they already have trigger laws in place are activated and abortion is banned (or heavily restricted).
Republican states where they hold a majority in both legislative and executive pass laws restricting or outlawing abortion outright.
Rich people who want / need an abortion travel to liberal states where it is legal.
Poor people pull out the coat hanger (yes, I know this is crude, deliberately) and women start dying.
Others try to buy the drugs on the black market.
Depending on the laws in effect, poor women go to jail for aborting a fetus. Or die, using mechanical means to attempt abortion or fake drugs that sociopaths provide.
Eventually, it becomes so bad that the Democrats get a veto proof majority in most states and pass laws legalizing abortion. A few states will never have it legal, again (ultra-Red, like Utah and Alabama).
This will take 10 years or more of women dying and being jailed.

Just to be clear, this entire process is horrifying, to me.
 
2020-10-23 8:44:22 AM  
4 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Party of small government", indeed.


Semantics - by "small" they really mean "the minority", by which they really mean "rich white guys".  Study it out.
 
2020-10-23 5:31:35 AM  
4 votes:

discotaco: Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.

Or when you do a cute little "protest" vote and vote third party or vote for Bernie.


Didn't happen above the expected rate that happens with every general election.

Do you also blame the outcome on Venus being in retrograde? Because that's as credible as the Mythical Protest Voter Who Decided the Whole Election.
 
2020-10-23 5:26:19 AM  
4 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.

Look, man, how many times do I have to explain this?  I. WAS. NOT. INSPIRED.


Hillary would've been exactly the same anyway, or possibly even worse. You could tell because of how shrill she was and also how she never visited Michigan. It's just not your fault. Never your fault. No. The voters are not to be blamed! The candidate wasn't perfect so there was nothing you could do. If Hillary had really wanted to earn your vote she'd have come to your state and made a personal connection with you. She didn't and now bortion is illegal, sorry centrists, guess you should've picked a candidate who was more inspirational. This is why I'm voting for Hudson Hawk, the Green Party is clearly the only way out of this disgusting 2 party system.
 
2020-10-23 5:20:44 AM  
4 votes:

MegaLib: Access to Abortion needs to be free and complete during every stage of pregnancy for any reason.  It is a right.  We will pack the SCOTUS with Progressives to enshrine this right


This.

We need a f*cking amendment.
 
2020-10-23 3:23:15 AM  
4 votes:

Albino Squid: Almost all cases that reach SCOTUS are being funded by either a state or a well-heeled interest group (including the good ones!). The costs associated are totally meaningless


Good point. I'm going on a lack of sleep so I'll change my post:

We need to fine and disbar every lawyer who tries to DDoS the legal system with the same frivolous lawsuits over things like abortion, which are now on the table because Federalist Society judges are being groomed, if not outright bribed, to destroy American law.
 
2020-10-23 3:13:29 AM  
4 votes:
I am not OK with Roe being overturned. That being said, if you live in a right wing shiat-hole, farking move. I hear people say "Not everyone has the funds to move" and to that I say bullshiat. When I was 18 I moved from Cali (not a shiathole) to Washington state (again not a shiathole). I was broke as fark, that made it easy to move, everything I owned was liquidated in a garage sale or fit in my car.


When I was in my late 20's I had a fiance and a kid and I was living in Florida (long story but Florida is a shiathole) to the Denver metro area. We were still living paycheck to paycheck but we found a way to do it.

Now that I am doing much better financially it would actually be more difficult to uproot and move.

Tell these right wing shiatholes that they can go fark themselves by moving to a sane blue state.
 
2020-10-23 2:57:29 AM  
4 votes:

fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


What will happen is they'll have to stop voting for (R) because he's pro-life.

They may well find another reason. But it's going to knock the "I dont like X or anything he stands for, but he's against abortion WHAT CAN I DO" voters for a loop".
 
2020-10-23 10:37:34 AM  
3 votes:
A strong majority of Americans do not want Roe v. Wade overturned, but the GOP long ago quit caring what anyone but their base thinks. The question is, do enough people who usually vote GOP care enough to change the way they vote? 

Cagey B: If this is the plan they may have played themselves. Biden is set up (albeit with the always lame "study panel" excuse) to move forward with court expansion after a provocation. Overturning Roe v. Wade would be the perfect such justification politically for adding four new Supreme Court justices.


Yep. Obviously this assumes the Democrats win the Senate. Then such an action still leads to the issue of what happens when Republicans re-take the Senate. Do they expand the Court even more? I'm not saying that means Democrats absolutely shouldn't do it. At this point, I don't know WTF the other option would be. The GOP has turned SCOTUS and other courts into far right wing institutions.

fusillade762: A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


Nah. The GOP will keep them riled up with constant "Democrats will make murdering babies legal again!!!1!" claims.
 
2020-10-23 10:29:02 AM  
3 votes:
The time to prevent this was 4 years ago.
 
2020-10-23 9:56:29 AM  
3 votes:
It's already difficult and expensive to get an abortion past 12 weeks from what I gather. Do we really need another law restricting it?

I keep this website saved as a phone contact for easy sharing. They offer telemedicine appointments and mail abortion pills for about $100. Just because it's still legal doesn't mean there's a clinic the woman can get to.

https://aidaccess.org/
 
2020-10-23 9:03:46 AM  
3 votes:

Koodz: HypnozombieX: havocmike: I've always kind of toyed with the idea of "what would happen to politics if Democrats just conceded on abortion?" A mental exercise. Would the evangelicals shift to the democratic economic message now that it's off the table? Would the democratic party suffer at the polls if they were forced to campaign on "let's bring back abortions, gang!"

We're about to find out.

After getting their way on abortion evangelicals will move to banning contraceptives. They will never give a shiat about economic issues because they believe that if your poor it means you're a failure in gods eyes or some such nonsense. Evangelicals are led by billionaires who make their money off human suffering, economic equality is the last thing they want.

No contraception, no prostitution, no pornography, no masturbation.

They'd really like it if violence were the only catharsis left to us.


subject to where your skin tone falls on the color swatch
 
2020-10-23 8:17:28 AM  
3 votes:
Sharia law
 
2020-10-23 7:12:17 AM  
3 votes:

Cythraul: fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.

As I've said before, the wedge issue will change from make abortion illegal, to keep abortion illegal.  I see no reason why the latter tactic would draw less enthusiasm from conservative voters than the former tactic.


Yep. "Those liberals want to bring back the atrocity of abortion."
 
2020-10-23 6:42:38 AM  
3 votes:

fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


As I've said before, the wedge issue will change from make abortion illegal, to keep abortion illegal.  I see no reason why the latter tactic would draw less enthusiasm from conservative voters than the former tactic.
 
2020-10-23 6:05:25 AM  
3 votes:

fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.


Since the abortion issue was only invented to replace segregation, Justice "14th amendment is unconstitutional" invites them to go back to rolling back what little progress has been made on protecting minorities from discrimination.
 
2020-10-23 5:36:01 AM  
3 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.

Look, man, how many times do I have to explain this?  I. WAS. NOT. INSPIRED.


Sounds like the Democratic Party should do a better job at earning votes, then. That is a politician's job, after all. Who would be so stupid as to neglect to do their most important job in an election for president?
 
2020-10-23 4:58:54 AM  
3 votes:

englaja: ChrisDe: Can we just reduce SCOTUS justices to 7? And remove the last two?

That requires a House majority and a Senate 2/3 majority.

Fortunately, adding new states only requires a House and Senate majority and Presidential approval.

So, an extra 25 states it is, all heavily Democratic. Give the Republicoonts a taste of their own medicine.

Actually the size is entirely up to Congress, they can both enlarge and shrink it. Wall of text below.

Article III of the Constitution sets neither the size of the Supreme Court nor any specific positions on it (though the existence of the office of the chief justice is tacitly acknowledged in Article I, Section 3, Clause 6). Instead, these powers are entrusted to Congress, which initially established a six-member Supreme Court composed of a chief justice and five associate justices through the Judiciary Act of 1789. The size of the Court was first altered by an 1801 act which would have reduced the size of the court to five members upon its next vacancy, but an 1802 act promptly negated the 1801 act, legally restoring the court's size to six members before any such vacancy occurred. As the nation's boundaries grew, Congress added justices to correspond with the growing number of judicial circuits: seven in 1807, nine in 1837, and ten in 1863.[76]

In 1866, at the behest of Chief Justice Chase and in an attempt to limit the power of Andrew Johnson, Congress passed an act providing that the next three justices to retire would not be replaced
 
2020-10-23 4:21:38 AM  
3 votes:
Access to Abortion needs to be free and complete during every stage of pregnancy for any reason.  It is a right.  We will pack the SCOTUS with Progressives to enshrine this right
 
2020-10-23 4:11:54 AM  
3 votes:

Original: Original Tweet:

byKateSmith: NEW Within hours of the Senate Judiciary advancing Amy Coney Barrett, Mississippi asked SCOTUS to review its 15-week abortion ban. It's a case that could reverse Roe v Wade, & it looks like Barrett will decide whether to hear it. Now on @CBSNews: https://t.co/FncEEkKycX


The minute they reverse Roe then the gloves are off and there will be another 4 justices appointed to reaffirm it.
 
2020-10-23 3:53:35 AM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.


I believe it will turn out to be a strategic mistake for the Republicans to ban abortions. I think it would cause people who otherwise don't care about politics to get upset enough to get involved. I'd compare it to Prohibition. People got alcohol banned but that got changed back and I don't think another ban is ever going to happen again because of it. The downside is that things will be worse before they get better.
 
2020-10-23 2:36:11 AM  
3 votes:
Easy.
You have to show a democratic voter ID to get an abortion at a clinic.
 
2020-10-23 2:04:14 PM  
2 votes:
cryinoutloud:

That's what I get for not getting an MBA like you "smart" farkers. Now take your concrete and your snotty tastebuds back to where you came from. I know this might come as a huge surprise to you urban sluts, but a large number of otherwise intelligent people live in the middle of nowhere because they prefer it. They choose to live 200 miles away from Wal-Mart, because you know why? Because they don't care. They aren't out here waiting to be rescued by the almighty urbans, coming in with their money and their snotty demands. They aren't thirsting for your "development" any more than the Indians were waiting for Columbus.

I never said living in a city was superior. You are aware that it is completely possible to live 200 miles from a WalMart in a blue state as well, right? You seemed to have missed the point of my post. I wasn't calling everyone to the city, nor was I saying that urban living is superior to rural. I was just saying that living in a state that isn't run by backward ass conservatives is better.
 
2020-10-23 12:49:12 PM  
2 votes:

eurotrader: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

Tie highway funding to a state having safe and reasonably access for women's health care. States could have their own law but that doesn't mean the majority of the US should not be able to express displeasure by not giving those states federal money.


Tie health care funding. Road funding. Disaster relief.

If Red States want to live in the dark ages, let them live in the dark ages.
 
2020-10-23 10:58:49 AM  
2 votes:

inglixthemad: Nine new justices, double the size of the court, ranging from liberal for one to the libbiest libs that evar libbed for the others.


I saw a pretty good argument awhile back for expanding the court to 27. We already have appeals courts with that many justices. Take the Fifth Circuit. They have 17 active judges and 10 senior judges. Senior judges also hear and decide cases, but may not be full time judges. The largest appeals court, the 9th Circuit, has 29 active judges and 18 senior judges.

Most SCOTUS cases would be assigned to just 9 of the justices. Cases would be assigned to different justices basically randomly.

It lowers the stakes of each new court vacancy because a new justice isn't shifting the partisan balance on every damn case the court hears, and for most cases a party can't count on five of their favorite justices being involved in it. There are other good reasons to drastically increase the size of the SCOTUS like being able to hear more cases. Right now the Court hears about 1% of the cases filed, and the cases that get accepted are heavily dominated by a small group of lawyers, half them former Supreme Court clerks.  Article here.
 
2020-10-23 10:27:22 AM  
2 votes:

LurkLongAndProsper: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.

Look, man, how many times do I have to explain this?  I. WAS. NOT. INSPIRED.

Hillary would've been exactly the same anyway, or possibly even worse. You could tell because of how shrill she was and also how she never visited Michigan. It's just not your fault. Never your fault. No. The voters are not to be blamed! The candidate wasn't perfect so there was nothing you could do. If Hillary had really wanted to earn your vote she'd have come to your state and made a personal connection with you. She didn't and now bortion is illegal, sorry centrists, guess you should've picked a candidate who was more inspirational. This is why I'm voting for Hudson Hawk, the Green Party is clearly the only way out of this disgusting 2 party system.


We ran Jesus Christ in the primary and you didn't vote for him so you're getting what you deserve. Unlike Hillary, he wasn't going to have to go through Congress or the courts to get things done. He would have WILLED universal healthcare into law using the power of our unwavering cult-like love for him alone. All evangelicals would have totally changed their beliefs and stopped fighting to strip our rights away. Neo Nazis would have disappeared overnight. Cats and dogs would be living together in harmony and climate change would completely reverse itself. It would have been paradise but you idiots had to live in the real world. What's wrong with you people?
 
2020-10-23 9:42:57 AM  
2 votes:
It's just a Party of Fearmongering.

No plan, no principles, no cohesion, just a bunch of fearmongering assholes getting votes from the fearful

Though apparently that wins seats in Congress.
 
2020-10-23 9:31:46 AM  
2 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Look, man, how many times do I have to explain this?  I. WAS. NOT. INSPIRED.


You're forgiven. The rest of you, you've proved we don't need you and you don't give a rat's ass about the country, equality, racism, or women's rights. Fark off.
 
2020-10-23 8:42:28 AM  
2 votes:
After reading about PA courts striking down GOP attempts to limit mail voting, I came to a realization. Even with the Dems win the House/Senate/Presidency, the GOP has won. Every law passed in the next two years that doesn't have their seal of approval, a lawsuit will be filed to stop it. The law will go through a series of judges validating or vacating the law, followed by immediate appeals. The goal, to have SC rule in their favor.

This sucks.
 
2020-10-23 7:42:11 AM  
2 votes:

HypnozombieX: havocmike: I've always kind of toyed with the idea of "what would happen to politics if Democrats just conceded on abortion?" A mental exercise. Would the evangelicals shift to the democratic economic message now that it's off the table? Would the democratic party suffer at the polls if they were forced to campaign on "let's bring back abortions, gang!"

We're about to find out.

After getting their way on abortion evangelicals will move to banning contraceptives. They will never give a shiat about economic issues because they believe that if your poor it means you're a failure in gods eyes or some such nonsense. Evangelicals are led by billionaires who make their money off human suffering, economic equality is the last thing they want.


No contraception, no prostitution, no pornography, no masturbation.

They'd really like it if violence were the only catharsis left to us.
 
2020-10-23 7:37:36 AM  
2 votes:

Marcos P: Why do people want to control women?


Because they believe that the one and only desirable thing about women is what's between their legs and what it can be used to produce, and because nothing gets male authoritarian SDO religious fundamentalists quite as excited as being able to treat women as a useful commodity that can be used to compel the obedience of other men.
 
2020-10-23 7:26:28 AM  
2 votes:

Koodz: Cythraul: fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.

As I've said before, the wedge issue will change from make abortion illegal, to keep abortion illegal.  I see no reason why the latter tactic would draw less enthusiasm from conservative voters than the former tactic.

Yep. "Those liberals want to bring back the atrocity of abortion."


Oh that message will start losing value right away as women are reminded why abortion was made legal in the first place. Also, once the inevitable stories of prominent conservatives secretly sending their daughters into blue states to get abortions start rollin in.
 
2020-10-23 7:07:24 AM  
2 votes:

Driver: The abortion issue is going to be a never ending battle.


Only because right wingers are morons...

All of their arguments, if used in good faith fail in the perfectly acceptable Roe V Wade decison.

But they don't care what is good for america or good for normal women.
 
2020-10-23 6:38:35 AM  
2 votes:
Why do people want to control women?
 
2020-10-23 4:13:12 AM  
2 votes:

puffy999: Albino Squid: Almost all cases that reach SCOTUS are being funded by either a state or a well-heeled interest group (including the good ones!). The costs associated are totally meaningless

Good point. I'm going on a lack of sleep so I'll change my post:

We need to fine and disbar every lawyer who tries to DDoS the legal system with the same frivolous lawsuits over things like abortion, which are now on the table because Federalist Society judges are being groomed, if not outright bribed, to destroy American law.


It's not someone suing to make abortion illegal. It's the legislatures writing these laws then individuals or groups like Planned Parenthood suing to get them overturned.

Or are you saying the suit to get them overturned is frivolous?
 
2020-10-22 9:15:52 PM  
2 votes:
I'd laugh my ass off if after confirming her they 7-2 deny cert.
 
2020-10-23 7:02:06 PM  
1 vote:
 
2020-10-23 3:48:08 PM  
1 vote:

Koodz: HypnozombieX: havocmike: I've always kind of toyed with the idea of "what would happen to politics if Democrats just conceded on abortion?" A mental exercise. Would the evangelicals shift to the democratic economic message now that it's off the table? Would the democratic party suffer at the polls if they were forced to campaign on "let's bring back abortions, gang!"

We're about to find out.

After getting their way on abortion evangelicals will move to banning contraceptives. They will never give a shiat about economic issues because they believe that if your poor it means you're a failure in gods eyes or some such nonsense. Evangelicals are led by billionaires who make their money off human suffering, economic equality is the last thing they want.

No contraception, no prostitution, no pornography, no masturbation.

They'd really like it if violence were the only catharsis left to us.




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2020-10-23 1:01:54 PM  
1 vote:

Branniganslaw: qorkfiend: Branniganslaw: After reading about PA courts striking down GOP attempts to limit mail voting, I came to a realization. Even with the Dems win the House/Senate/Presidency, the GOP has won. Every law passed in the next two years that doesn't have their seal of approval, a lawsuit will be filed to stop it. The law will go through a series of judges validating or vacating the law, followed by immediate appeals. The goal, to have SC rule in their favor.

This sucks.

Really? You're just now figuring this out?

I've always considered it, but the Barret opportunity hammers it home. If the court was left at 5-4, or RBG's replacement would be chosen by the next prez, the potential for abuse would be reduced or eliminated.


And the Bernie Bros will continue to place 100% of the blame on Democrats because reasons.
 
2020-10-23 12:46:35 PM  
1 vote:

entitygm: englaja: ChrisDe: Can we just reduce SCOTUS justices to 7? And remove the last two?

That requires a House majority and a Senate 2/3 majority.

Fortunately, adding new states only requires a House and Senate majority and Presidential approval.

So, an extra 25 states it is, all heavily Democratic. Give the Republicoonts a taste of their own medicine.
Actually the size is entirely up to Congress, they can both enlarge and shrink it. Wall of text below.

Article III of the Constitution sets neither the size of the Supreme Court nor any specific positions on it (though the existence of the office of the chief justice is tacitly acknowledged in Article I, Section 3, Clause 6). Instead, these powers are entrusted to Congress, which initially established a six-member Supreme Court composed of a chief justice and five associate justices through the Judiciary Act of 1789. The size of the Court was first altered by an 1801 act which would have reduced the size of the court to five members upon its next vacancy, but an 1802 act promptly negated the 1801 act, legally restoring the court's size to six members before any such vacancy occurred. As the nation's boundaries grew, Congress added justices to correspond with the growing number of judicial circuits: seven in 1807, nine in 1837, and ten in 1863.76

In 1866, at the behest of Chief Justice Chase and in an attempt to limit the power of Andrew Johnson, Congress passed an act providing that the next three justices to retire would not be replaced

As per this, the most justifiable number of SCOTUS Justices at present is thirteen, since there are (and have been for decades) thirteen Circuits.

Yes, Congress (with signature or overridden veto of the President) decides the size of the Court, not the Constitution. 13 can be justified without being political. Simply say that we're restoring the Court to the siza it should've been after those last four Circuits were added.

patrick767: inglixthemad: Nine new justices, double the size of the court, ranging from liberal for one to the libbiest libs that evar libbed for the others.

I saw a pretty good argument awhile back for expanding the court to 27. We already have appeals courts with that many justices. Take the Fifth Circuit. They have 17 active judges and 10 senior judges. Senior judges also hear and decide cases, but may not be full time judges. The largest appeals court, the 9th Circuit, has 29 active judges and 18 senior judges.

Most SCOTUS cases would be assigned to just 9 of the justices. Cases would be assigned to different justices basically randomly.

It lowers the stakes of each new court vacancy because a new justice isn't shifting the partisan balance on every damn case the court hears, and for most cases a party can't count on five of their favorite justices being involved in it. There are other good reasons to drastically increase the size of the SCOTUS like being able to hear more cases. Right now the Court hears about 1% of the cases filed, and the cases that get accepted are heavily dominated by a small group of lawyers, half them former Supreme Court clerks.  Article here.

I can also see having two Associate Justices for each Circuit, with only one being seated at a time. Twelve Associate seats, two Justices per seat, plus the Chief Justice to both break ties and be over the Judicial Branch as a whole. If an Associate Justice is unavailable, the alternate for that seat takes his or her place. So, yes, 27 in all, but thirteen for any given case.

During the year, SCOTUS would be in session full time, with each Justice serving ½ of the time. For half of the year, a Justice for a given Circuit would be the default for SCOTUS cases, with the alternate stepping in only on the death or incapacitation or resignation of the other. Whichever is not in session would either be on hiatus, or would "ride the Circuit" that that Justice seat represents, sitting in on the cases of the corresponding Circuit Court of Appeals.

All of this could be implemented in a new Judiciary Act of 2021, if we take the Senate as well as the White House.

Gyrfalcon: gcc: Gentle reminder that if a democrats win control of both houses and the presidency and this still happens, they've decided it's ok if abortion is outlawed.

/ Don't let anyone off the hook, regardless of party.
// And by hook I mean coat hanger
/// Literal slashies

This will happen regardless because Congress has zero input on Supreme Court decisions.

Congress being 110% Democratic (or Republican) has no impact on how the justices ultimately decide a case. Congress could stand at the doors screaming "SAVE ROE!" and the vote could still be 9−0 to overturn if the Court wanted it to be.

Not actually true. Congress has the authority to limit what subjects the Court can take up, but must do so via a Judiciary Act, same as adding or removing Justices:
ARTICLE III
§2

¶2: In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
 
2020-10-23 12:10:14 PM  
1 vote:

erik-k: puffy999: COVID. No health care improvements. No stimulus. No minimum wage increase.

For this?

The pulse of America is NOT ON ABORTION.
There is something more going on: a full-on coup of the legal system.

*Anything* the Russpublican haters-of-America want from Infectious ACB, it matters not one bit if she's on the court before or after the election.

With one exception: If the party of outright treason attempts to corrupt the vote counts and have the SCOTUS steal the election for one of the worst monsters in American history.

Came here to say basically this. Remember, at least two of the GOP Senators on the committee had tested positive for COVID-19, which they ironically got from the #RedVetting / #RoseGardenMassacre (I love "Infectious ACB" perhaps even more than "Contagious ACB" btw). Why risk infecting the others to rush her for a confirmation? Killing Roe, Obergefell, Brown, the ACA, etc. ― all of that could've waited until the lame duck session. They'd still have through January 2 to put her on the court even if they lose both the White House and Senate in the election.

As you say, only one thing requires her on the court at or shortly after the election, and that's a case to overturn the election itself and make sure that Trump stays in the White House and the Senate stays GOP. I wouldn't be surprised to see a case quickly brought using the Gohmert (I think it was him) Rule that says that since the Constitution guarantees unto the States a Republican Form of Government, all non-Republicans are ineligible to hold office, from President on down to village clerk (of course that's not what that clause means, especially since there was no such thing as a Republican Party at the time nor would there be for a decade or so and even then it wasn't the GOP that would later form in the aftermath of the collapse of the Whigs in the 1850s, but hey, they get their 6−3 on board and they could do that). So even if Biden gets 99.9% of the popular vote and every single Elector, and every GOP Senator up for grabs loses, and ditto every House candidate, every State legislator, every Governor, etc., all the way on down to mayors and such, they could simply rule that only Republicans can hold office.
 
2020-10-23 12:09:07 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: Branniganslaw: After reading about PA courts striking down GOP attempts to limit mail voting, I came to a realization. Even with the Dems win the House/Senate/Presidency, the GOP has won. Every law passed in the next two years that doesn't have their seal of approval, a lawsuit will be filed to stop it. The law will go through a series of judges validating or vacating the law, followed by immediate appeals. The goal, to have SC rule in their favor.

This sucks.

Really? You're just now figuring this out?


I've always considered it, but the Barret opportunity hammers it home. If the court was left at 5-4, or RBG's replacement would be chosen by the next prez, the potential for abuse would be reduced or eliminated.
 
2020-10-23 10:07:33 AM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: They should boycott the vote.


Agreed
 
2020-10-23 10:01:58 AM  
1 vote:
Abortion is the right to self defense. That's the number one right every human has- the right to defend their body from those who will do harm.
 
2020-10-23 9:37:35 AM  
1 vote:

Mad Canadian: padraig: fusillade762: FlashHarry: Roe will be overturned. It's all but guaranteed. So wealthy women will still have abortions, but poor ones will wind up in one of hundreds of Kermit Gosnell butcher shops around the country to die of sepsis.

I still think Republicans are making a tactical mistake by getting Roe repealed.  A lot of single-issue abortion voters may simply stop voting.

They'll move to Obergefell v. Hodges next.

They Brown bs Board of Education.

And then, and then, up until they reach Gibbons v. Ogden.

Remember, Buck v Bell has not been explicitly overturned...


Yet.

Sorry, think you may have dropped that - at this point I don't put any form of cruelty beyond their capacity to consider/execute.

We have open nazi's, concentration camps, forced sterilization... and more.
 
2020-10-23 8:10:24 AM  
1 vote:

Circle Girl: Do the people in The Handmaid's Tale secretly worship Odin?  According to Michelangelo, God has two eyes.  🙃


Yes because the women are old crows.
 
2020-10-23 7:47:03 AM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: My gut reaction is that I want dems to do everything in their power to stop this now - including impeaching Bill Barr to force the Senate to take up the trial. But that would play into Trump's hands and could hurt Biden. The smarter play is to vote against her in unison and use her bullshiat nomination as a club going forward. And when Roe is overturned, either legalize abortion via legislation or put forth a constitutional amendment to legalize it permanently.


They should boycott the vote.
 
2020-10-23 7:46:05 AM  
1 vote:
My gut reaction is that I want dems to do everything in their power to stop this now - including impeaching Bill Barr to force the Senate to take up the trial. But that would play into Trump's hands and could hurt Biden. The smarter play is to vote against her in unison and use her bullshiat nomination as a club going forward. And when Roe is overturned, either legalize abortion via legislation or put forth a constitutional amendment to legalize it permanently.
 
2020-10-23 7:21:50 AM  
1 vote:

gcc: Gentle reminder that if a democrats win control of both houses and the presidency and this still happens, they've decided it's ok if abortion is outlawed.

/ Don't let anyone off the hook, regardless of party.
// And by hook I mean coat hanger
/// Literal slashies


Remember, not fixing it fast enough in the way this guy likes is just as bad as maliciously breaking it in the first place.
 
2020-10-23 6:53:02 AM  
1 vote:

LordJiro: englaja: ChrisDe: Can we just reduce SCOTUS justices to 7? And remove the last two?

That requires a House majority and a Senate 2/3 majority.

Fortunately, adding new states only requires a House and Senate majority and Presidential approval.

So, an extra 25 states it is, all heavily Democratic. Give the Republicoonts a taste of their own medicine.

Don't need to add that many states. Could definitely do a lot of state-merging (as well as adding DC and Puerto Rico, at minimum). There is no reason we need two Dakotas, and Wyoming sure as hell doesn't need to be its own state either, just for starters.

Hell, the primary reason there are two Dakotas in the first place was because Republicans wanted extra power in the Senate.

And if the Democrats take the Senate, the first order of business should be to nuke the filibuster. The second should be to start prosecuting Republicans for abuse of power, general corruption, and a laundry list of other shiat they don't even bother to hide. Just enforce existing laws, and the entire GOP could be in jail before 2022.


Why should DC (population 705,000) be a state while the Dakotas (combined population 1.5 million) shouldn't?
 
2020-10-23 6:53:01 AM  
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I've always kind of toyed with the idea of "what would happen to politics if Democrats just conceded on abortion?" A mental exercise. Would the evangelicals shift to the democratic economic message now that it's off the table? Would the democratic party suffer at the polls if they were forced to campaign on "let's bring back abortions, gang!"

We're about to find out.
 
2020-10-23 6:48:49 AM  
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buravirgil: ViolentEastCoastCity: We need a f*cking amendment.


That's what abortion is, no?


I lol'd.
 
2020-10-23 5:33:08 AM  
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quatchi: Hey look. The thing everyone jumped up and down 4 years ago and warned people was going to happen if Trump got elected is going to happen.

itshappening.jpg


You're just fear mongering over the court. The real issue here is Hunter Biden's laptop.
 
2020-10-23 4:49:59 AM  
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So if one part of government continuously tries to hammer a square peg into a round hole, then one branch keeps allowing the definition of "round" to come into question, imagine when said part gets control of ALL branches.

Then imagine that many law schools, and law classes,teach people to take advantage of these loopholes.... and that Square Peggism is not only acceptable, but advised.
 
2020-10-23 4:15:05 AM  
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ChrisDe: Can we just reduce SCOTUS justices to 7? And remove the last two?


That requires a House majority and a Senate 2/3 majority.

Fortunately, adding new states only requires a House and Senate majority and Presidential approval.

So, an extra 25 states it is, all heavily Democratic. Give the Republicoonts a taste of their own medicine.
 
2020-10-23 3:08:03 AM  
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Stile4aly: I don't think she'll outright overturn Roe, she'll just but the "substantial burden" test from Planned Parenthood v Casey.  States will be able to place whatever arbitrary hurdles they wish in the way of abortion providers as long as they have the patina of medical value.  Want to operate a clinic?  You need admitting privileges at a local hospital, you also need a clinic doors wider than your hallways and taller than your roof, and a waterslide in the foyer.


That test is already in place.

If Roe gets overturned, nothing will substantially change, except SCOTUS will have washed its hands of it.
 
2020-10-23 2:38:01 AM  
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Squid_for_Brains: This is what happens when you don't vote.


Look, man, how many times do I have to explain this?  I. WAS. NOT. INSPIRED.
 
2020-10-23 2:32:09 AM  
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puffy999: Democrats in the US are ALSO neoliberals.


/FTFM
//Dems nominate the judges on their side...
 
2020-10-22 11:06:08 PM  
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Do the people in The Handmaid's Tale secretly worship Odin?  According to Michelangelo, God has two eyes.  🙃
 
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