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(MPR News)   Man drives 88,000 pound tanker truck into protestors, is criminally charged. "Investigators used a similar semitruck to reenact the scene and found that Vechirko's line of sight would have given him enough time to stop. "   (mprnews.org) divider line
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2020-10-22 9:25:26 PM  
Good

Law and order!
 
2020-10-22 10:50:15 PM  
As a tanker driver, I am glad. I have said this from the moment I saw it. He was only 35,000 pounds, he had delivered and was empty. Tank was more dangerous than when loaded,as it was full of vapor, he knows that. One of the requirements of a Hazmat endorsement is to understand the risks and avoiding potential risk to the public. He didn't slow until after he passed the cars blocking the road by driving on the left shoulder. It was deliberate.
Link shows a couple of angles.

twitter link
 
2020-10-22 11:49:30 PM  
Vechirko

russian
 
2020-10-22 11:50:22 PM  
where in god's name did they get a volunteer crowd for the reenactment?
 
2020-10-22 11:51:52 PM  

rainbowbutter: where in god's name did they get a volunteer crowd for the reenactment?


ICE.
 
2020-10-22 11:52:47 PM  
Just be glad it wasn't this one:

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2020-10-22 11:52:55 PM  

invictus2: Vechirko

russian


Bogdan Vechirko. Which cybersecurity/anti-virus lab does he run?
 
2020-10-22 11:54:07 PM  
When I was a kid, my mom worked a high gang crime area.  Because of the job, they'd get yearly crime briefings from the local PD.  One thing that happened every year is a "who's getting out of jail" general discussion.  What gangs, crimes, level of violence, etc.

We're going to need that level of information when this whole wave of idiots starts getting out of prison.
 
2020-10-22 11:55:03 PM  
Good, lock up this criminal.
 
2020-10-22 11:55:57 PM  

Begoggle: Good, lock up this criminal.


Strap him to one of the nukes we should be dropping on Russia right about now.
 
2020-10-22 11:56:09 PM  

itsaback: As a tanker driver, I am glad. I have said this from the moment I saw it. He was only 35,000 pounds, he had delivered and was empty. Tank was more dangerous than when loaded,as it was full of vapor, he knows that. One of the requirements of a Hazmat endorsement is to understand the risks and avoiding potential risk to the public. He didn't slow until after he passed the cars blocking the road by driving on the left shoulder. It was deliberate.
Link shows a couple of angles.

twitter link


My dad has been a truck driver for half a century.

When this first happened, I told him that the drive claimed that he couldn't stop in time.  My dad's response is that he needed to get the brakes checked.

For those who aren't able to pick on the subtext,, that basically translates to "I am very skeptical of the driver's story."
 
2020-10-22 11:58:51 PM  
this is why you say OOPS !
that makes it an accident.
 
2020-10-23 12:08:07 AM  

MBooda: invictus2: Vechirko

russian

Bogdan Vechirko. Which cybersecurity/anti-virus lab does he run?


I thought he owned the car wash Walter White worked at?
 
2020-10-23 12:11:40 AM  
Prosecutors say Vechirko admitted that he was "kind of in a hurry" and hoped that if he went slow, the crowd would let him pass.
No one was seriously injured in the incident, but some protesters were seen in social media videos running away, while others rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge


You can read these sentences, and they will reveal your confirmation biases.
 
2020-10-23 12:12:14 AM  

rainbowbutter: where in god's name did they get a volunteer crowd for the reenactment?


You know what college kids are like.
 
2020-10-23 12:17:12 AM  
It's hard to vote from prison.
 
2020-10-23 12:20:12 AM  
I'm sure there are matters of law with regards to obstructing freeway ramps and pedestrians having the right of way, but those were not adressed here. Folks here with experiences at the truck could have stopped in time, and I'm in no position to dispute that. Devil's advocate response: Was the reenactment done in the same circumstance with regard to time of day, distracting lights, etc? Did the people injured have time to move out of the road? Was the driver aware of Reginald Denny, the truck driver in LA pulled from his stopped truck and severely beaten?
 
2020-10-23 12:21:10 AM  
FTA: some protesters . . . rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge.

I honestly don't know that I would have the courage to rush a driver in a vehicle that large.
 
2020-10-23 12:21:59 AM  
His lawyer is full of shiat. I drove 35W pretty much every workday, twice a day, for the better part of a year. To claim not see, in something the height of an 18 wheeler, what was going on is about as ridiculous as it gets folks.
 
2020-10-23 12:23:27 AM  

rainbowbutter: where in god's name did they get a volunteer crowd for the reenactment?


Do you have any idea how many unemployed people there are these days?
 
2020-10-23 12:24:52 AM  

trappedspirit: Prosecutors say Vechirko admitted that he was "kind of in a hurry" and hoped that if he went slow, the crowd would let him pass.
No one was seriously injured in the incident, but some protesters were seen in social media videos running away, while others rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge

You can read these sentences, and they will reveal your confirmation biases.


The irony being if he threw it into first and let it coast the protestors probably would have let him through.
 
2020-10-23 12:34:57 AM  

rainbowbutter: where in god's name did they get a volunteer crowd for the reenactment?


They offered the original crowd a do-over and told them they could throw him off the bridge this time.
 
2020-10-23 12:38:06 AM  

trappedspirit: Prosecutors say Vechirko admitted that he was "kind of in a hurry" and hoped that if he went slow, the crowd would let him pass.
No one was seriously injured in the incident, but some protesters were seen in social media videos running away, while others rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge

You can read these sentences, and they will reveal your confirmation biases.


What if you wrote these sentences?
 
2020-10-23 12:40:50 AM  
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/first thing I thought of
 
2020-10-23 12:50:03 AM  

Bruscar: FTA: some protesters . . . rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge.

I honestly don't know that I would have the courage to rush a driver in a vehicle that large.


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She would have.
 
2020-10-23 1:00:35 AM  

MBooda: trappedspirit: Prosecutors say Vechirko admitted that he was "kind of in a hurry" and hoped that if he went slow, the crowd would let him pass.
No one was seriously injured in the incident, but some protesters were seen in social media videos running away, while others rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge

You can read these sentences, and they will reveal your confirmation biases.

What if you wrote these sentences?


Then I would expect to be paid an MPRnews journalist's salary?  Not sure what you even mean by that.
 
2020-10-23 1:03:07 AM  

Stibium: trappedspirit: Prosecutors say Vechirko admitted that he was "kind of in a hurry" and hoped that if he went slow, the crowd would let him pass.
No one was seriously injured in the incident, but some protesters were seen in social media videos running away, while others rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge

You can read these sentences, and they will reveal your confirmation biases.

The irony being if he threw it into first and let it coast the protestors probably would have let him through.


Not sure if irony is the word to use hear as the article stated that he hoped that if he went slow the crows would let him pass.  Seems he went slow enough to be dragged from his truck.
 
2020-10-23 1:06:04 AM  
Well, I am typing, at least
 
2020-10-23 1:06:24 AM  
How is checking his 'line of sight' material? If you are unable to stop for a visible obstruction in the road you are going too fast.
 
2020-10-23 1:08:29 AM  

bughunter: Bruscar: FTA: some protesters . . . rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge.

I honestly don't know that I would have the courage to rush a driver in a vehicle that large.

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She would have.


She was better in blue.
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2020-10-23 1:20:38 AM  
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2020-10-23 1:25:43 AM  
Not protesters, but people illegally blocking roads.
 
2020-10-23 1:34:20 AM  

knbwhite: I'm sure there are matters of law with regards to obstructing freeway ramps and pedestrians having the right of way, but those were not adressed here. Folks here with experiences at the truck could have stopped in time, and I'm in no position to dispute that. Devil's advocate response: Was the reenactment done in the same circumstance with regard to time of day, distracting lights, etc? Did the people injured have time to move out of the road? Was the driver aware of Reginald Denny, the truck driver in LA pulled from his stopped truck and severely beaten?


Sometimes racism is the benefit of the doubt, given to some and not given to others.

/
EABOSCDMF
 
2020-10-23 1:34:35 AM  

madgonad: How is checking his 'line of sight' material? If you are unable to stop for a visible obstruction in the road you are going too fast.


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Exactly.
This is why curves are rated for lower speeds. It isn't rollover, rather being able ro stop. It's due to sight many times. Often it means you don't have enough time to react and stop a loaded truck safely.
 
2020-10-23 1:41:03 AM  

waxbeans: knbwhite: I'm sure there are matters of law with regards to obstructing freeway ramps and pedestrians having the right of way, but those were not adressed here. Folks here with experiences at the truck could have stopped in time, and I'm in no position to dispute that. Devil's advocate response: Was the reenactment done in the same circumstance with regard to time of day, distracting lights, etc? Did the people injured have time to move out of the road? Was the driver aware of Reginald Denny, the truck driver in LA pulled from his stopped truck and severely beaten?

Sometimes racism is the benefit of the doubt, given to some and not given to others.

/
EABOSCDMF


Suppose it was a minority driver and a pro-life group blocking the highway off-ramp.
 
2020-10-23 1:47:38 AM  

madgonad: How is checking his 'line of sight' material? If you are unable to stop for a visible obstruction in the road you are going too fast.


Wut? You drive the speed limit or right under. Your following distance between the vehicle ahead of you should allow you to stop in time. If you round a blind corner and there is suddenly an obstruction in the road, it might not be physically possibly, extremely difficult to avoid, or cause you or others harm/potential death trying to avoid.
 
2020-10-23 1:53:27 AM  

knbwhite: waxbeans: knbwhite: I'm sure there are matters of law with regards to obstructing freeway ramps and pedestrians having the right of way, but those were not adressed here. Folks here with experiences at the truck could have stopped in time, and I'm in no position to dispute that. Devil's advocate response: Was the reenactment done in the same circumstance with regard to time of day, distracting lights, etc? Did the people injured have time to move out of the road? Was the driver aware of Reginald Denny, the truck driver in LA pulled from his stopped truck and severely beaten?

Sometimes racism is the benefit of the doubt, given to some and not given to others.

/
EABOSCDMF

Suppose it was a minority driver and a pro-life group blocking the highway off-ramp.


I'd feel the same.
Like I said, racism is, all too often, the giving or not giving of the benefit of the doubt.

/
We should hold anyone not wanting to avoid even the appearance of impropriety suspect.
//
Not enough people scream loud enough about the fact that Trump got mad at someone who had integrity to recuse themselves.
///

Mic drop
 
kab
2020-10-23 1:57:53 AM  
The lesson here:  Its a highway.... go be fat protest somewhere else.
 
2020-10-23 1:59:11 AM  

kab: The lesson here:  Its a highway.... go be fat protest somewhere else.


FYYSMFI
 
2020-10-23 2:00:53 AM  

waxbeans: knbwhite: waxbeans: knbwhite: I'm sure there are matters of law with regards to obstructing freeway ramps and pedestrians having the right of way, but those were not adressed here. Folks here with experiences at the truck could have stopped in time, and I'm in no position to dispute that. Devil's advocate response: Was the reenactment done in the same circumstance with regard to time of day, distracting lights, etc? Did the people injured have time to move out of the road? Was the driver aware of Reginald Denny, the truck driver in LA pulled from his stopped truck and severely beaten?

Sometimes racism is the benefit of the doubt, given to some and not given to others.

/
EABOSCDMF

Suppose it was a minority driver and a pro-life group blocking the highway off-ramp.

I'd feel the same.
Like I said, racism is, all too often, the giving or not giving of the benefit of the doubt.

/
We should hold anyone not wanting to avoid even the appearance of impropriety suspect.
//
Not enough people scream loud enough about the fact that Trump got mad at someone who had integrity to recuse themselves.
///

Mic drop


I think your comment about benefit of the doubt is true. As far as appearance of impropriety, our presidential candidates have that in spades, but I understand why many people are picking a lying whore over a worse lying whore.
 
2020-10-23 2:03:25 AM  

waxbeans: kab: The lesson here:  Its a highway.... go be fat protest somewhere else.

FYYSMFI


Not exactly wrong. It is literally Darwinism. Do you walk on train tracks and pretend that the trains magically all will or can stop for you because you have a righteous political opinion and woefully neglect the risks of...walking on train tracks? Intetionally running people down is horrible and should be prosecutable, but people also should not be on farking highways and obstructing traffic.
 
2020-10-23 2:05:04 AM  

knbwhite: waxbeans: knbwhite: waxbeans: knbwhite: I'm sure there are matters of law with regards to obstructing freeway ramps and pedestrians having the right of way, but those were not adressed here. Folks here with experiences at the truck could have stopped in time, and I'm in no position to dispute that. Devil's advocate response: Was the reenactment done in the same circumstance with regard to time of day, distracting lights, etc? Did the people injured have time to move out of the road? Was the driver aware of Reginald Denny, the truck driver in LA pulled from his stopped truck and severely beaten?

Sometimes racism is the benefit of the doubt, given to some and not given to others.

/
EABOSCDMF

Suppose it was a minority driver and a pro-life group blocking the highway off-ramp.

I'd feel the same.
Like I said, racism is, all too often, the giving or not giving of the benefit of the doubt.

/
We should hold anyone not wanting to avoid even the appearance of impropriety suspect.
//
Not enough people scream loud enough about the fact that Trump got mad at someone who had integrity to recuse themselves.
///

Mic drop

I think your comment about benefit of the doubt is true. As far as appearance of impropriety, our presidential candidates have that in spades, but I understand why many people are picking a lying whore over a worse lying whore.


Well one at least wants to look to be helpful and other uses ugly rhetoric.

That in theory should be an easy choice.
 
2020-10-23 2:07:14 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: waxbeans: kab: The lesson here:  Its a highway.... go be fat protest somewhere else.

FYYSMFI

Not exactly wrong. It is literally Darwinism. Do you walk on train tracks and pretend that the trains magically all will or can stop for you because you have a righteous political opinion and woefully neglect the risks of...walking on train tracks? Intetionally running people down is horrible and should be prosecutable, but people also should not be on farking highways and obstructing traffic.


I don't get that. We should lobby to change diving laws. Because it doesn't match public sentiment.
the law dictates that we should always be in control of our vehicles and are responsible for what our vehicles do.
Juxtaposition that to the public feeling that running someone over changes that reality.
 
2020-10-23 2:14:55 AM  

waxbeans: the money is in the banana stand: waxbeans: kab: The lesson here:  Its a highway.... go be fat protest somewhere else.

FYYSMFI

Not exactly wrong. It is literally Darwinism. Do you walk on train tracks and pretend that the trains magically all will or can stop for you because you have a righteous political opinion and woefully neglect the risks of...walking on train tracks? Intetionally running people down is horrible and should be prosecutable, but people also should not be on farking highways and obstructing traffic.

I don't get that. We should lobby to change diving laws. Because it doesn't match public sentiment.
the law dictates that we should always be in control of our vehicles and are responsible for what our vehicles do.
Juxtaposition that to the public feeling that running someone over changes that reality.


That is non-sensical to change driving laws that you should always be able to stop at a moment's notice. You would end up effectively setting the speed limit to 20 mph everywhere. It is much easier to not farking walk on highways.
 
2020-10-23 2:16:38 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: madgonad: How is checking his 'line of sight' material? If you are unable to stop for a visible obstruction in the road you are going too fast.

Wut? You drive the speed limit or right under. Your following distance between the vehicle ahead of you should allow you to stop in time. If you round a blind corner and there is suddenly an obstruction in the road, it might not be physically possibly, extremely difficult to avoid, or cause you or others harm/potential death trying to avoid.


Which is why when you're going around a blind corner, you go even slower.
 
2020-10-23 2:17:56 AM  
I don't know much about CDL except the vague idea that it's enforced quite strictly, but having seen the video in itsaback's post, shouldn't the driver be losing his CDL and potentially facing charges just for blasting by stopped traffic and driving on the shoulder like that, even if there were no pedestrians around?
 
2020-10-23 2:20:17 AM  
Given his lawyer's revisionist version of events (he was late and trying to get through the crowd safely) let's have a look at the footage.

VIDEO: Tanker truck appears to drive into Minneapolis protest crowd
Youtube 21drq0LGet4
 
2020-10-23 2:27:43 AM  

Vulpecula: the money is in the banana stand: madgonad: How is checking his 'line of sight' material? If you are unable to stop for a visible obstruction in the road you are going too fast.

Wut? You drive the speed limit or right under. Your following distance between the vehicle ahead of you should allow you to stop in time. If you round a blind corner and there is suddenly an obstruction in the road, it might not be physically possibly, extremely difficult to avoid, or cause you or others harm/potential death trying to avoid.

Which is why when you're going around a blind corner, you go even slower.


You do slow your speed and we have signage to help indicate what that speed should be. This does guarantee however that you will be able to react in time to an unexpected road hazard nor does it excuse people from congregating on a highway presenting danger not only to themselves but drivers as well. Maybe the truck rounds the corner and stops in time but this could cause a chain reaction.

Look, like I said, the driver is probably at fault here and intentionally running people over is sociopathic. Like momma said though, don't play in the farking street though.
 
2020-10-23 2:41:41 AM  
violence and criminal vehicular operation.

I prefer the term "TERRORISM."  Much shorter and a thousand times more honest.
 
2020-10-23 3:01:19 AM  

bughunter: Bruscar: FTA: some protesters . . . rushed toward the driver, pulled him out of the cab and threatened to throw him over the bridge.

I honestly don't know that I would have the courage to rush a driver in a vehicle that large.

[aveleyman.com image 320x240]

She would have.


she was very, very relevant to my interests when i first saw that movie.
 
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