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2020-10-22 3:55:45 PM  
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2020-10-22 3:57:43 PM  
If their ability to change votes is anything higher than "THEY CAN'T F*CKING DO THAT", we got a problem.
 
2020-10-22 3:59:57 PM  
I wonder why Republicans love Diebold voting machines that don't leave paper trails.

Hmmmm.......

HMMMMMMM......

HMMMMMMMMMM.......
 
2020-10-22 4:00:42 PM  
They don't need to change them nationwide. They just need to change a few small segments of a few swing states. If we had our shiat together they wouldn't be capable of even that, but here we are.
 
2020-10-22 4:11:16 PM  

Ambivalence: They don't need to change them nationwide. They just need to change a few small segments of a few swing states. If we had our shiat together they wouldn't be capable of even that, but here we are.


So like, say, Michigan, Wisconsin and so on in in 2016. Or, as I'm thinking right now, here we go again.
 
2020-10-22 4:12:14 PM  

Ambivalence: They don't need to change them nationwide. They just need to change a few small segments of a few swing states. If we had our shiat together they wouldn't be capable of even that, but here we are.


Or just stick with voter roll hacking. Philadelphia is 85% Democratic. It wouldn't take much damage there to swing the whole state.
 
2020-10-22 4:23:37 PM  

Rev.K: I wonder why Republicans love Diebold voting machines that don't leave paper trails.

Hmmmm.......

HMMMMMMM......

HMMMMMMMMMM.......


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2020-10-22 4:25:43 PM  

ArkPanda: Ambivalence: They don't need to change them nationwide. They just need to change a few small segments of a few swing states. If we had our shiat together they wouldn't be capable of even that, but here we are.

Or just stick with voter roll hacking. Philadelphia is 85% Democratic. It wouldn't take much damage there to swing the whole state.


Don't help Putin by posting such things. Please.
 
2020-10-22 5:21:16 PM  
They don't need to change votes nationwide... just in a few key states

Trump won by less than 80,000 votes spread over 4 states in 2016...
 
2020-10-22 5:53:04 PM  
Relax, it's only three states.
 
2020-10-22 5:54:28 PM  
Are we still pretending that the GOP isn't under Russian influence?
 
2020-10-22 5:54:58 PM  
Gosh, it sure is perplexing why the R party has blocked every single attempt at election security for the last 20 years...such a mystery.
 
2020-10-22 5:55:25 PM  
LaW AnD oRdEr!!
 
2020-10-22 5:56:13 PM  
I feel like there should have been more of a protest when the Republicans under W started insisting on electronic voting machines that didn't work very well.
 
2020-10-22 5:56:41 PM  
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2020-10-22 5:57:17 PM  
I had a thought last night after the laughable "Iran is sending out threatening election letters" show that this is the start of their efforts to cast enough doubt on the election that they can declare it null.
 
2020-10-22 5:57:56 PM  
Russia is a bigger cyberthreat than Iran?

Ya think?

I imagine that Trump thinks that he has some plsusible deniability here because he has not officially heard the news via his PDBs because his people are now terrified to bring Russia up because he explodes into a shiat-fit every time.

Trump thinks wrong would be my point here but that is too obvious.

Hang on to your hats, folks, we may end up miles from here
 
2020-10-22 5:58:14 PM  
The kinda good thing about 2020 is as we've seen a lot of people are early voting. A lot of the early voting allowed in battleground states is in person absentee, which is a paper ballot, the same as they mail you but you fill it out in the auditor's office or whatever.
 
2020-10-22 5:58:49 PM  

mainsail: Ambivalence: They don't need to change them nationwide. They just need to change a few small segments of a few swing states. If we had our shiat together they wouldn't be capable of even that, but here we are.

So like, say, Michigan, Wisconsin and so on in in 2016. Or, as I'm thinking right now, here we go again.


I'm convinced that's exactly what happened in 2016, but we won't know for decades. It's too shocking of news, and the tendency for those in authority is to always bury such news as deep as possible until decades after it's no longer really useful information - with the rationale that they don't want to incite "panic".

This is why this election has to be a ROUT. Our stupid, anti-democratic, motherfarking anachronism called the "electoral college" makes this a unique vulnerability for the United States. Without the government taking action to combat this - and our current administration is benefitting from it, and have openly admitted to welcoming foreign interference - the only possible way we as a people can fight it is to flood the zone with blue wins so overwhelming that it's harder to manipulate our results like that without it being very obvious.
 
2020-10-22 6:01:25 PM  
And why do the machines need instanet connections at all?
 
2020-10-22 6:01:46 PM  
The group, believed to be a unit of the FSB, known as "Energetic Bear" or "Dragonfly," is the same group that has been caught breaking into American nuclear, water, power plants and airports.

For the life of me, I still can't figure out what genius thought putting this shiat on the Internet was a good idea.
 
2020-10-22 6:02:06 PM  
This is one of the cases where firing a cruise missile up somebody's ass would be an appropriate response, IMHO.  If there is some organized hacking group, based in, say, some nondescript Moscow office building, that even made an attempt to change vote totals, well, guess where said cruise missile is going.  BOOM.

And, yes, that's a very scary escalation of hostilities.  Even during the cold war, the US and Russia/Soviet Union never directly engaged each other in open combat.  But farking with our elections requires such a direct, real world response, IMHO.
 
2020-10-22 6:02:33 PM  

fngoofy: And why do the machines need instanet connections at all?


because it's easier to use a $100 a seat license for windows than it is to pay 5 nerds for a month to design a system that does one thing, and does it well.
 
2020-10-22 6:03:04 PM  
They can only change democrats votes, so it's all good....says Trump.
 
2020-10-22 6:03:06 PM  
And Trump and the Republicans will try to use this to void the election results if they don't go their way.
 
2020-10-22 6:03:22 PM  
New slim chance that I hope happens just for the lulz: Trump wins Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin by slim, highly questionable margins given the other states and national popular vote but loses Texas and maybe some other usually reliable red states because they didn't think they needed to hack those states.
 
2020-10-22 6:03:51 PM  

whidbey: The group, believed to be a unit of the FSB, known as "Energetic Bear" or "Dragonfly," is the same group that has been caught breaking into American nuclear, water, power plants and airports.

For the life of me, I still can't figure out what genius thought putting this shiat on the Internet was a good idea.


I'll bet a lot of it isn't direct connected to the internet but does have some sort of outside network access.  21st century War Dialing.
 
2020-10-22 6:06:31 PM  

K3rberos: New slim chance that I hope happens just for the lulz: Trump wins Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin by slim, highly questionable margins given the other states and national popular vote but loses Texas and maybe some other usually reliable red states because they didn't think they needed to hack those states.


Except in the 2016 election you might recall that Texas was one of the breached states: the article got updated later showing more states got hacked as well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/​news/th​e-fix/wp/2017/09/23/what-we-know-about​-the-21-states-targeted-by-russian-hac​kers/
 
2020-10-22 6:07:42 PM  

OldRod: They don't need to change votes nationwide... just in a few key states

Trump won by less than 80,000 votes spread over 4 states in 2016...


So he was not elected , he was putin office ..
 
2020-10-22 6:09:12 PM  
Ah, so this is what Trump had RATcliffe go out and lie for him last night to distract from.
 
2020-10-22 6:09:43 PM  
And there's not a goddamn thing we can do about it, is there? Either "officials" have enough of a handle on this thing to prevent it, and are empowered to do so even though the farking President would love for Russian hackers to change votes in his favor, or they don't and we're farked.
 
2020-10-22 6:09:59 PM  
There's a lot going on behind the scenes.  The FBI presser yesterday was a message to Russia intended to flush them out into the open to check their attack points.
 
2020-10-22 6:11:37 PM  

Geotpf: This is one of the cases where firing a cruise missile up somebody's ass would be an appropriate response, IMHO.  If there is some organized hacking group, based in, say, some nondescript Moscow office building, that even made an attempt to change vote totals, well, guess where said cruise missile is going.  BOOM.

And, yes, that's a very scary escalation of hostilities.  Even during the cold war, the US and Russia/Soviet Union never directly engaged each other in open combat.  But farking with our elections requires such a direct, real world response, IMHO.


It would be, but when they elect an active conspirator to be President, suddenly there's zero repercussions. If they aren't stopped, and Trump is hacked to victory again, no Dem will ever win again. The DOJ will be destroyed worse than now, and used only to attack GOP political enemies.
 
2020-10-22 6:12:20 PM  

Ambivalence: They don't need to change them nationwide. They just need to change a few small segments of a few swing states. If we had our shiat together they wouldn't be capable of even that, but here we are.


Didn't McConnell kill a bill that passed the House that helped fund defenses against this type of interference.

Defending our elections is just as fundamental to our national security as defending our borders.
 
2020-10-22 6:12:35 PM  
But hey, what's the worst that could happen? LOL
 
2020-10-22 6:12:59 PM  
Step 1: Prevent meaningful election security legislation from getting a vote in the senate

Step 2: After allowing vote-tempering, GOP claims "vote tampering"

Step 3: Conservative Supreme Court concurs and vacates election results

Step 4: Drink
 
2020-10-22 6:17:02 PM  
Know what didn't have quite the same problem? That archaic system where we had tons of people manually counting paper ballots. Sure, the error margin, in a fully honest situation, would likely be higher, but we haven't had anywhere close to an honest situation since AT LEAST 2012.

Electronic voting is a plague, and given the choice I do not have, I would take security over convenience in a heartbeat when it concerns the very lifeblood of a country.
 
2020-10-22 6:18:30 PM  
It would be difficult to hack paper ballots. Russia would be forced to apply themselves and go old school, awaken sleeper agents and have them volunteer to count votes. None of this lazy 'sitting in Moscow behind a screen' bullshiat.
 
2020-10-22 6:18:58 PM  
I voted early & in person.
Ha ha!  Suck it Donald while you're sucking Putin's dick!
 
2020-10-22 6:19:18 PM  
I vote with paper ballot
 
2020-10-22 6:21:30 PM  
So just like last time, some counties in swing states with damningly "incorrect" exit polls?
 
2020-10-22 6:22:02 PM  

Nullav: Know what didn't have quite the same problem? That archaic system where we had tons of people manually counting paper ballots. Sure, the error margin, in a fully honest situation, would likely be higher, but we haven't had anywhere close to an honest situation since AT LEAST 2012.

Electronic voting is a plague, and given the choice I do not have, I would take security over convenience in a heartbeat when it concerns the very lifeblood of a country.


There is a solution between  electronic voting and counting paper by hand: voting by paper and counting the votes by machine.

But even if that wasn't doable, so what? If it takes two weeks to count votes then that's what it takes. Electronic voting is a perfect example of a solution in search of a problem.
 
2020-10-22 6:23:44 PM  
If trump wins I'm calling shenanigans because he's been polling so low steadily for so long.
 
2020-10-22 6:29:05 PM  

Geotpf: This is one of the cases where firing a cruise missile up somebody's ass would be an appropriate response, IMHO.  If there is some organized hacking group, based in, say, some nondescript Moscow office building, that even made an attempt to change vote totals, well, guess where said cruise missile is going.  BOOM.


A cruise missile heading in to Moscow would be quite the flight path.
 
2020-10-22 6:29:31 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Nullav: Know what didn't have quite the same problem? That archaic system where we had tons of people manually counting paper ballots. Sure, the error margin, in a fully honest situation, would likely be higher, but we haven't had anywhere close to an honest situation since AT LEAST 2012.

Electronic voting is a plague, and given the choice I do not have, I would take security over convenience in a heartbeat when it concerns the very lifeblood of a country.

There is a solution between  electronic voting and counting paper by hand: voting by paper and counting the votes by machine.

But even if that wasn't doable, so what? If it takes two weeks to count votes then that's what it takes. Electronic voting is a perfect example of a solution in search of a problem.


The problem with both compromises is that they're vulnerable to individual machine attacks. With paper ballots, you have to compromise voters and/or election officials. With a black box machine handling either end of the process, it doesn't even need to be networked to be compromised. You can throw some carefully-aimed money at compromising the vendor or distributor, and ship machines that flip x percentage of votes for A to votes for B, as an example.

If that sounds like action movie logic, well, I think most of us have seen what happens to a voting machine after a few hours at a DEF CON event. Unfortunately, action movie logic applies here.
 
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2020-10-22 6:32:59 PM  
Why aren't voting systems air gapped? There is no good reason to have your election system accessible to any outside network/internet.
 
2020-10-22 6:35:08 PM  

bobtheme: If their ability to change votes is anything higher than "THEY CAN'T F*CKING DO THAT", we got a problem.


It is. In the Woodward book, it talks about the Mueller investigaion and how they found russian trojans horses viruses into voting machines in several states.

The virus couldnt change votes, it could only make certain votes not counted by random, the ratio was 1/100 so its not really obvious.

According to the FBI, the plan is to activate those viruses in counties more likely to vote democrat... officially, the viruses were never activated in 2016. Officially.
 
2020-10-22 6:36:20 PM  

Todorojo: Step 1: Prevent meaningful election security legislation from getting a vote in the senate

Step 2: After allowing vote-tempering, GOP claims "vote tampering"

Step 3: Conservative Supreme Court concurs and vacates election results

Step 4: Drink


Step 5: Round up GOP congress people and

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2020-10-22 6:36:41 PM  
Nevada has machines that print out your ballot. You can read the paper and make sure it lists who you voted for before you even submit the whole thing. Paper trail. I cannot understand why they're aren't uniform voting laws in this country. Oh yeah, some BS about states' rights which was only included in the constitution because slavery states didn't want to give up slavery.
 
2020-10-22 6:38:13 PM  

Benalto: The kinda good thing about 2020 is as we've seen a lot of people are early voting. A lot of the early voting allowed in battleground states is in person absentee, which is a paper ballot, the same as they mail you but you fill it out in the auditor's office or whatever.


Mine was absentee, but it's still someone physically counting the vote, rather than a voting machine. Also, I dropped it at a county election drop box, so that I wouldn't be reading about my local mail carrier dumping it in a vacant lot somewhere. So as long as the mail in ballots get to the voters and then back to the polling location, I'm assuming that they're safer than voting on an electronic machine.
 
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