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(New Musical Express)   Smashing Pumpkins announce a sequel to 1995's "Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness" album and do a 2021 world tour. Despite all his rage, Billy's easing into middle age   (nme.com) divider line
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2020-10-22 4:17:04 PM  
I was listening to this album on my commute today. Hooray!!
 
2020-10-22 5:06:16 PM  
Guess Billy needs more money to prop up the N.W.A. promotion or something.
 
2020-10-22 5:19:25 PM  
Siamese Dream was peak Pumpkins, IMHO, and their show headlining Lolapalooza that year was a good time. Imma let that memory be and not disappoint myself getting excited about anything new from Billy. Y'all can have fun with the new stuff if you want.
 
2020-10-22 5:57:55 PM  
Is this the thread where we discuss D'Arcy instead of Billy?
 
2020-10-22 6:00:11 PM  
Go listen to newer Billy Corgan/Smashing Pumpkins output. Temper your expectations accordingly.

/MCatIS is a brilliant and weird album.
//You can't just decide to do that again.
 
2020-10-22 6:00:46 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Siamese Dream was peak Pumpkins, IMHO, and their show headlining Lolapalooza that year was a good time. Imma let that memory be and not disappoint myself getting excited about anything new from Billy. Y'all can have fun with the new stuff if you want.


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There was some good on Mellon Collie, but a lot of it was crap. Does anyone actually like "Tonight, Tonight"?

The following couple albums had one, maybe two good songs. I don't know WTF Zwan was.
 
2020-10-22 6:02:08 PM  
Middle age? Does anyone think that guy is going to live to 106?
 
2020-10-22 6:03:35 PM  
Melon Charcuterie and the Infinite Salads?
Buffet with Chicken Wings?
My account is a vampire?
 
2020-10-22 6:08:41 PM  
25 years.  I'm gonna go feel old somewhere.
 
2020-10-22 6:10:40 PM  
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was going to say he's starting to look like burl ives, but he is looking more like burl ives as sam the snowman
 
2020-10-22 6:11:05 PM  

mechgreg: Middle age? Does anyone think that guy is going to live to 106?


He would have, if his son didn't strike him down.

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2020-10-22 6:14:25 PM  
Billy Corgan doesn't sing. He whines to a tune.

He ruined "Landslide", dammit.
 
2020-10-22 6:18:00 PM  
Sorry SP fans, but:
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... and I don't really mean "Mellon Collie sucked, no more of that" (though Siamese Dream was WAY better...); I just mean "whatever the hell Corgan puts together as 'Smashing Pumpkins' material right now, or in 2021, is going to be completely unbearable"
 
2020-10-22 6:24:06 PM  
No.  Melancholy was very much a product of mid to late Gen-X confusion, anger, empathy and joy.  You can no more duplicate that than the music of the 1960s.
 
2020-10-22 6:29:45 PM  
WALK OUT THAT DOOR-AH BECAUSE YOU'RE UNFORGIVEN FOUR!!!!
 
2020-10-22 6:32:18 PM  
What if that guy from smashing pumpkins lost his car keys
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2020-10-22 6:34:52 PM  
I love MCIS.  Like alll double albums, there's some flab to it but on the whole, I think it's an outstanding piece of work.  Siamese, i love, Gish is awesome, and I'm in the minority of SP fans who loves Adore.  After that, the core 3 lineup kinda lost me and everything after Friends and Enemies of Modern Music kinda leaves me uninspired.

Very curious to see what comes of MCIS II;  low expectations based on the last 10-15 years of SPs.

Now, the reunion tour, absolutely.  I saw them in 93, 94, 99 (all with D'Arcy) and then with auf de Mer in 2000.  Then they started to suck.  saw them in 2018 on the 25th Siamese tour and was pleasantly surprised.
 
2020-10-22 6:35:00 PM  
Why?
 
2020-10-22 6:39:10 PM  
I still love Muzzle after all these years.
 
2020-10-22 6:59:36 PM  
Infinite sadness, indeed
 
2020-10-22 7:30:12 PM  
Ugh. My freshman year girlfriend's roommate played this on repeat endlessly. I can't get an erection when Billy Corgan's voice is heard within 45 meters.
 
2020-10-22 7:41:14 PM  
I heard a bit of the new stuff. My take away is that they have become shiatty Jamiorquoi.
 
2020-10-22 7:47:09 PM  
If it gets him out of that weird costume from last album I'm all for it. He looked like the bad guy from Bill and teds, the 27th century sit up champion guy.
 
2020-10-22 7:52:03 PM  
They've never been my thing but I get that people like them because while not necessarily unique, they do sort of do their own thing.
 
2020-10-22 8:00:08 PM  
I kinda hope he can find his happy place again. I mean, I enjoy all the angry moping, but at some point you need to come up for air.


Zwan - Honestly (Video)
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/Honestly, Paz.
// call me
 
2020-10-22 8:15:45 PM  
I always liked Machina. The video for Try Try Try is heartbreaking and dusty. It's one of their best post-MCIS songs.
The Smashing Pumpkins - Try, Try, Try
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2020-10-22 8:26:44 PM  

germ78: I always liked Machina. The video for Try Try Try is heartbreaking and dusty. It's one of their best post-MCIS songs.


100% agree. love that song.

that said the version the put out on FAEOMM (the post Machina album they released one song at a time in 2000, i believe they'd been dropped by their record label but had all the songs in the can, a kind ofmiddle finger to the label / industry) is way better.  Similar, but more raw and the drums kick more ass.  Email me if you want it.  I'd send it but no email in profile.

the "official" version is maybe in a different key and just......doesn't have the a kind of poignancy or rawness, i can't say, from the FAEOMM version.
 
2020-10-22 8:28:00 PM  
Saw them last summer.  Very good show, wasn't familiar with the newer stuff but it was pretty good.  The old stuff rocked.  Billy has gone full-on looming, leering rock star, reminded me of Ozzy a bit.
 
2020-10-22 8:37:11 PM  
Between Gish, Siamese Dream, and Mellon Collie there are so many great songs that it's kind of unbelievable (my opinion YMMV). Corgan definitely seems like the head proprietor of the Jerk Store but he's made some awesome music.
 
2020-10-22 8:37:56 PM  

rickythepenguin: germ78: I always liked Machina. The video for Try Try Try is heartbreaking and dusty. It's one of their best post-MCIS songs.

100% agree. love that song.

that said the version the put out on FAEOMM (the post Machina album they released one song at a time in 2000, i believe they'd been dropped by their record label but had all the songs in the can, a kind ofmiddle finger to the label / industry) is way better.  Similar, but more raw and the drums kick more ass.  Email me if you want it.  I'd send it but no email in profile.

the "official" version is maybe in a different key and just......doesn't have the a kind of poignancy or rawness, i can't say, from the FAEOMM version.


Just listened to it on youtube and agree, the raw emotion and pared back production quality makes a great song that much better.
Try, Try, Try (alt) - Smashing Pumpkins
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2020-10-22 11:20:50 PM  
Billie Corgan sings like some guy that works as a mechanic at Jiffy Lube and a buddy asks if he can sing Alice Cooper.

Besides, didn't he "retire"?
 
2020-10-22 11:33:14 PM  
The album reminds of a pretty fun time in my life. You know, before marriage. : )

"Love is suicide"
 
2020-10-23 12:35:29 AM  

Drunk Southern Taser Bait: I heard a bit of the new stuff. My take away is that they have become shiatty Jamiorquoi.


But we already have one of those!
 
2020-10-23 1:07:40 AM  
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2020-10-23 3:47:29 AM  

born_yesterday: 25 years.  I'm gonna go feel old somewhere.


I heard '1979' on the classic rock station earlier this year and was all WTF until I realized that yeah, the year it came out, the same station was playing stuff that was less than 20 years old. I'll get off my lawn now, I guess.
 
2020-10-23 6:50:12 AM  
Uhh... subby?

I'M easing in to middle age, and Billy is 15 years older than I am.

I know it's hard to accept, but the leaders of Generation X are in their mid-50s.
 
2020-10-23 7:00:07 AM  

havocmike: Uhh... subby?

I'M easing in to middle age, and Billy is 15 years older than I am.

I know it's hard to accept, but the leaders of Generation X are in their mid-50s.


Which is middle age by every definition of the term.
 
2020-10-23 7:03:25 AM  
Darcy, you say? 
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2020-10-23 7:04:42 AM  

towatchoverme: havocmike: Uhh... subby?

I'M easing in to middle age, and Billy is 15 years older than I am.

I know it's hard to accept, but the leaders of Generation X are in their mid-50s.

Which is middle age by every definition of the term.


If Billy plans on living to be 110, sure.
 
2020-10-23 7:58:07 AM  

spiralscratch: Does anyone actually like "Tonight, Tonight"?


Yes. You heretic.
 
2020-10-23 8:18:46 AM  

havocmike: towatchoverme: havocmike: Uhh... subby?

I'M easing in to middle age, and Billy is 15 years older than I am.

I know it's hard to accept, but the leaders of Generation X are in their mid-50s.

Which is middle age by every definition of the term.

If Billy plans on living to be 110, sure.


"Middle age" doesn't mean mathematical middle for lifespans any more than "The Middle Ages" is the mathematical middle of history.

It means the part of life in the middle of young adulthood and old age. It's the period between two things. This really isn't hard to understand.
 
2020-10-23 8:44:58 AM  
I have a soft spot for the Pumpkins.  My husband and I walked into our wedding reception to the beginning of "Tonight, Tonight."  Our first dance was to "Luna."
 
2020-10-23 9:16:34 AM  
I can just listen to Silversun Pickups if I want new Smashing Pumpkins music.
 
2020-10-23 10:34:57 AM  

Soupface Sally: I have a soft spot for the Pumpkins.  My husband and I walked into our wedding reception to the beginning of "Tonight, Tonight."  Our first dance was to "Luna."


Wow!!!!!  I was so similar!

my BIL is a piano genius.  He played the opening of MCIS which he slowly segued into Pachelbel "Canon in D" (cheesy, I know, but i think my wife's mother or grandmother wanted to hear it;  BIL said they were in different keys but he seamlessly merged MCIS into Canon.

First dance I wanted Luna!  wife vetoed it.  We ended up with "Beautiful" (which is a rather shiat song but it was the only compromise).

And we did a slide show to Galapagos.

yeah....that's how much I love that snapshot of the Pumpkins;  I had three, count 'em, THREE songs in my wedding.
 
2020-10-24 12:19:27 AM  

helper_monkey: I can just listen to Silversun Pickups if I want new Smashing Pumpkins music.


That is why you FAIL.
 
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