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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Waukegan cop shoots African-American driver dead, wounds African-American passenger, because driver shifted into Reverse during routine traffic stop. Protest at noon   (chicago.suntimes.com) divider line
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2020-10-22 12:18:35 PM  
I guess that will teach black folks to shift more carefully. I smell a Presidential Medal of Honor.
 
2020-10-22 12:58:31 PM  
Should have gotten an automatic!
 
2020-10-22 1:03:49 PM  
State's Attorney Michael Nerheim said it may be several weeks before state police finish their investigation, and that only then will his office be able to review their findings.

'Murica.
 
2020-10-22 1:21:39 PM  
It sounds stupid, but a lot of black people these days would rather take off than be killed by the police.
 
2020-10-22 1:27:32 PM  
Are they even hesitating to kill anymore?
 
2020-10-22 1:34:25 PM  
IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.
 
2020-10-22 1:38:00 PM  
If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.
 
2020-10-22 1:41:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Should have gotten an automatic!


The reverse lights always flash briefly as you pass through reverse going to park on the shift lever.

Dumb stuff that gets ya killed these days.
 
2020-10-22 1:41:50 PM  
how long has it been since this happened? cops were probably getting itchy trigger fingers
 
2020-10-22 1:42:42 PM  
"It's coming right for us!"

Shoot Ned!
 
2020-10-22 1:42:52 PM  

optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.


Yes but that car could have sped away and run in to innocent people!  Then where would your liberal attitude be?  That cop didn't do enough to save innocent lives! All those innocent children riding on top of that gasoline tanker!  Dead!  Dead!!!  The blood dripping from your libberal hands!  The cries of burning children echoing forever in your ears.

Or they could have driven safely home, contacted their legal representation and negotiated a surrender at the police department.

Tomato, tomahto
 
2020-10-22 1:43:20 PM  

optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^​^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!
 
2020-10-22 1:43:50 PM  
Many vehicles require you to momentarily go to reverse as you shift into park from drive. Reverse lights flicker, and "he's coming right at us." And another kid is killed.
 
2020-10-22 1:45:00 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.

Yes but that car could have sped away and run in to innocent people!  Then where would your liberal attitude be?  That cop didn't do enough to save innocent lives! All those innocent children riding on top of that gasoline tanker!  Dead!  Dead!!!  The blood dripping from your libberal hands!  The cries of burning children echoing forever in your ears.


My question is about the budget...
 
2020-10-22 1:45:06 PM  

optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.


He probably already had the gun out since the car took off from the other cop.  Not many details to go by yet though.
 
2020-10-22 1:46:12 PM  
No weapon was found in the vehicle, police said.

The vehicle was the weapon.
 
2020-10-22 1:47:17 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Many vehicles require you to momentarily go to reverse as you shift into park from drive. Reverse lights flicker, and "he's coming right at us." And another kid is killed.


I would give pretty good odds that this was the case.
 
2020-10-22 1:47:42 PM  
So many people talking about shifting through reverse to get to Park, has the video been released? If so, can someone link it?
 
2020-10-22 1:47:59 PM  
TFA sounded like the passenger was killed.
 
2020-10-22 1:48:04 PM  
I hope he voted already
 
2020-10-22 1:49:19 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Many vehicles require you to momentarily go to reverse as you shift into park from drive. Reverse lights flicker, and "he's coming right at us." And another kid is killed.


Also, all of these new GM cars that put on the reverse lights when you shut them off... I didn't seem to find the type of vehicle listed in the article.
 
2020-10-22 1:49:40 PM  

philotech: So many people talking about shifting through reverse to get to Park, has the video been released? If so, can someone link it?


You think the cop's bodycam was working?  I'm sure that if it did, the police accidently deleted the recording in their normal handling of these files.

Nothing to see, sorry.
 
2020-10-22 1:49:50 PM  

Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.


that's the current narrative. as he was approaching the vehicle they shifted into reverse at the officer.
dashcam video already being reviewed... will release shortly I'd assume.
but.. no one here will give a damn.
 
2020-10-22 1:50:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Should have gotten an automatic!


This is my Pacifica's transmission dial.
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Notice how you can't get from D to P without being in R?

How many other cars have a similar arrangement?
 
2020-10-22 1:52:07 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: philotech: So many people talking about shifting through reverse to get to Park, has the video been released? If so, can someone link it?

You think the cop's bodycam was working?  I'm sure that if it did, the police accidently deleted the recording in their normal handling of these files.

Nothing to see, sorry.


FTFA: "Body camera and squad car video was turned over to the Illinois State Police, who are investigating the incident, Navarro said."
 
2020-10-22 1:53:53 PM  

stlbluez: Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.

that's the current narrative. as he was approaching the vehicle they shifted into reverse at the officer.
dashcam video already being reviewed... will release shortly I'd assume.
but.. no one here will give a damn.


Justified or not it's pretty stupid to fire into a car backing up at you instead of getting out of the way, you shoot the driver and then what? Hope they hit they brake as soon as you shoot them? More likely their foot would drop straight down on the accelerator.
 
2020-10-22 1:54:29 PM  

Jelly Bean Raider: optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^​^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!


You can do both.
 
2020-10-22 1:55:27 PM  

madgonad: Marcus Aurelius: Should have gotten an automatic!

This is my Pacifica's transmission dial.
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Notice how you can't get from D to P without being in R?

How many other cars have a similar arrangement?


That's an electronic gear selector, it doesn't actually shift through Reverse to get to Park... That's a feature of the old lever gear selectors...
 
2020-10-22 1:55:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Should have gotten an automatic!


Uh...
 
2020-10-22 1:57:42 PM  

optimistic_cynic: stlbluez: Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.

that's the current narrative. as he was approaching the vehicle they shifted into reverse at the officer.
dashcam video already being reviewed... will release shortly I'd assume.
but.. no one here will give a damn.

Justified or not it's pretty stupid to fire into a car backing up at you instead of getting out of the way, you shoot the driver and then what? Hope they hit they brake as soon as you shoot them? More likely their foot would drop straight down on the accelerator.


Yeah, let the person who tried to run you over go so they can do it to someone else.  Solid plan.
 
2020-10-22 1:57:43 PM  
All on the driver. Turning a routine traffic stop into a "cop shoots driver" scenario is just plain stupid.
 
2020-10-22 2:03:39 PM  

Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.


That doesn't mean you get to shoot into a car, because, you know, passengers.
 
2020-10-22 2:07:08 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: optimistic_cynic: stlbluez: Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.

that's the current narrative. as he was approaching the vehicle they shifted into reverse at the officer.
dashcam video already being reviewed... will release shortly I'd assume.
but.. no one here will give a damn.

Justified or not it's pretty stupid to fire into a car backing up at you instead of getting out of the way, you shoot the driver and then what? Hope they hit they brake as soon as you shoot them? More likely their foot would drop straight down on the accelerator.

Yeah, let the person who tried to run you over go so they can do it to someone else.  Solid plan.


I was talking about the physics of it especially if the officer was concerned for his safety.
 
2020-10-22 2:07:24 PM  

mochunk: thisisyourbrainonFark: Many vehicles require you to momentarily go to reverse as you shift into park from drive. Reverse lights flicker, and "he's coming right at us." And another kid is killed.

Also, all of these new GM cars that put on the reverse lights when you shut them off... I didn't seem to find the type of vehicle listed in the article.


And I hate that in parking garages. You slow down or stop because you don't expect someone backing out can see you and it's just someone getting out of their car.
 
2020-10-22 2:09:07 PM  

deadsanta: Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.

That doesn't mean you get to shoot into a car, because, you know, passengers.


Ehhhh ... I wouldn't bet my life on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shootin​g​_of_Timothy_Russell_and_Malissa_Willia​ms
 
2020-10-22 2:09:12 PM  
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2020-10-22 2:10:07 PM  

Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.


You can tell if someone is rollin back or trying to kill you.  I think you can also step to the side just as fast as drawing and shooting.   I'll test that theory out, I'll ask my wife to back up at me.
 
2020-10-22 2:10:46 PM  

Vtimlin: Another Government Employee: IF the car was heading at the officer (and I'd have to see video), he's sadly justified. A car can kill you just as dead as a gun.

You can tell if someone is rollin back or trying to kill you.  I think you can also step to the side just as fast as drawing and shooting.   I'll test that theory out, I'll ask my wife to back up at me.


You seemed nice.
 
2020-10-22 2:11:26 PM  

mochunk: thisisyourbrainonFark: Many vehicles require you to momentarily go to reverse as you shift into park from drive. Reverse lights flicker, and "he's coming right at us." And another kid is killed.

Also, all of these new GM cars that put on the reverse lights when you shut them off... I didn't seem to find the type of vehicle listed in the article.


This

I've been startled a number of times while walking through a parking lot and the backup lights on a vehicle suddenly come on. It looks like the driver is about to back out, but they only turned the car off or they were approaching the car and unlocked the doors via a remote. I never shot anyone over it though.

Stupid idea in my opinion, but GM isn't going to listen to anything I tell them.
 
2020-10-22 2:12:41 PM  

Alphax: Are they even hesitating to kill anymore?


They hesitate to kill white people all the time.

"Now now Clayton McGreymeat, you've backed into my cruiser five times trying to escape. I'm going to raise my voice at you two or four more times before I show you my pepper spray."
 
2020-10-22 2:18:05 PM  
I was in Utah and got pulled over in the middle of nowhere for speeding on my bike. Pulled over on the shoulder (uneven) to wait for the officer. Shoulder was just a little too uneven and I started to go over so I pulled the throttle to line up safely for the stop. He was out of his car with a gun yelling at me like I was a murderer or something until I got off my bike.

Good times.
 
2020-10-22 2:18:48 PM  

balial: Harry Freakstorm: optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.

Yes but that car could have sped away and run in to innocent people!  Then where would your liberal attitude be?  That cop didn't do enough to save innocent lives! All those innocent children riding on top of that gasoline tanker!  Dead!  Dead!!!  The blood dripping from your libberal hands!  The cries of burning children echoing forever in your ears.

My question is about the budget...


I was told there would be no math.
 
2020-10-22 2:28:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Should have gotten an automatic!


To put an automatic in "Park" from "Drive" requires passing through "Reverse", thus flashing the reverse lights.
That very well may have been enough to get this person killed.
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Of course, a refusal to put the car into "Park" would arguably have also been a reason to kill this person, so its a 'good shoot' either way in the cops book.
 
2020-10-22 2:31:05 PM  

Another Government Employee: Jelly Bean Raider: optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^​^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!

You can do both.


You can do both and STILL not fire.
Strange, I know.
 
2020-10-22 2:33:04 PM  
This article doesn't contain many facts. No doubt we will learn them later.
 
2020-10-22 2:38:32 PM  

Dodge Propshaft: Marcus Aurelius: Should have gotten an automatic!

The reverse lights always flash briefly as you pass through reverse going to park on the shift lever.

Dumb stuff that gets ya killed these days.


The article says the car was actually moving backwards towards the cop.

Also there is apparently dash and body cam video so at some point we will see if that's true.

Even assuming the car was moving, that should NOT constitute blanket license to shoot into the vehicle.  The actual circumstances should be examined to see whether the officer was actually in danger.
 
2020-10-22 2:46:01 PM  

WastrelWay: This article doesn't contain many facts. No doubt we will learn them later.


When did facts start to matter?
 
2020-10-22 2:48:21 PM  

big pig peaches: WastrelWay: This article doesn't contain many facts. No doubt we will learn them later.

When did facts start to matter?


TRUTH.
 
2020-10-22 2:49:23 PM  
The incident began shortly before midnight when an officer began to investigate a vehicle near Liberty and Oak streets, police said in a statement. The car drove off from the officer but was found moments later by another officer near Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue and South Avenue.
As that officer approached on foot, the car reversed and the officer, a Hispanic five-year veteran of the department, fired his pistol out of "fear for his safety," police said in the statement.

for those that did not read it, the car reversed would mean that it changed direction, not that the light came on.
and nothing about a standard or automatic.
 
2020-10-22 2:52:59 PM  

optimistic_cynic: If you have time to draw and shoot, you have time to move out of the way.


I'd like to introduce, Exhibit A, evidence that cars can STEER AND CHANGE DIRECTION.

Listen, I've seen plenty of BS shootings where the cop jumps in the path of a vehicle and then fires and claims self defense.  And that's BS because those cops put themselves there just to gain a justification.

But this is a cop, stopping a car, walking up to the car, when, allegedly, the driver decides to reverse into the cop to hit him.
 
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