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2020-10-22 8:25:04 AM  
Fans?

Still a better per capita survival rate than keyboard players.
 
2020-10-22 8:40:48 AM  
Murdered by what? Father Time?

/fark paywall
 
2020-10-22 8:43:52 AM  
Oh, this one got the green. Like I said in the other thread, you could likely create this podcast with any band that has millions of fans and toured for decades.
 
2020-10-22 8:48:38 AM  
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She must feed.
 
2020-10-22 9:10:26 AM  
Didn't RTFA. (Welcome to Fark.) I'm going to assume this is just like the Bermuda Triangle, where there were a large number of lost ships, but also a proportionally large number of safely completed voyages, because it's a high traffic area.
 
2020-10-22 9:12:11 AM  
because people willing to hitchhike in the '90s and later, possibly while on a bunch o' drugs, and willing to believe in peace and love and understanding, and therefore pretty trusting of strangers -and not great on filling in friends and family about concrete and specific future plans- are easy to abduct and harm?

and due to the above it may be awhile before the victim is known to be missing, and thus the killer is long gone?

and a cartman-like pure hatred of hippies motivated some of the killers, the idea of easy prey motivated others?

also agree that out of a sample of millions of fans (fans of anything) some are bound to meet a sad and violent end. perhaps loving the band is correlation but not causation.
 
2020-10-22 9:18:19 AM  
They were warned about taking the brown acid!
 
2020-10-22 9:19:16 AM  
Wait, someone forgot where they parked their car????
This means something.jpg

/that's as far as I could slog through the article
 
2020-10-22 9:19:35 AM  

MattytheMouse: [Fark user image 415x328]
She must feed.


Matty, where can I get a grateful rock shirt?

I have the steal your cows one.
 
2020-10-22 9:20:07 AM  
Wow, murdered by a microbus...

"Two men were found dead in a ghastly Volkswagen van crash in 1995, but only one of the men could be identified. The only clues to who the second person was: two Grateful Dead tickets in his pocket."

The horror! Wait, I bet you could make an entire movie series about murderous cars, or even Volkswagens with minds of their own!!
 
2020-10-22 9:21:36 AM  
Fark's right admin doesn't know what the left admin is doing.
 
2020-10-22 9:22:32 AM  

vudukungfu: MattytheMouse: [Fark user image 415x328]
She must feed.

Matty, where can I get a grateful rock shirt?

I have the steal your cows one.


You'll have to ask Ann Coulter for the answer to that. Careful; she might kill you, apparently.
 
2020-10-22 9:23:00 AM  

Exluddite: Oh, this one got the green.


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2020-10-22 9:25:45 AM  

luna1580: because people willing to hitchhike in the '90s and later, possibly while on a bunch o' drugs, and willing to believe in peace and love and understanding, and therefore pretty trusting of strangers -and not great on filling in friends and family about concrete and specific future plans- are easy to abduct and harm?

and due to the above it may be awhile before the victim is known to be missing, and thus the killer is long gone?

and a cartman-like pure hatred of hippies motivated some of the killers, the idea of easy prey motivated others?

also agree that out of a sample of millions of fans (fans of anything) some are bound to meet a sad and violent end. perhaps loving the band is correlation but not causation.


Yeah, pothead/drug addict dumbass kids who make bad decisions are moving targets as it is, but I could almost bet that just a plot of the Deadheads' general chances of early death due to Hepatitis, lung cancer, random infections, and increased rate of accidents due to poor judgment is statistically significantly higher than average. Sure, add on their generally useless nature and likelihood to be disenfranchised from their families and they practically scream out "NO ONE WILL MISS US AND WE ARE EASILY HERDED, SLAUGHTER US PLEASE!!".

A damn shame really but I bet you could get similar results from a lot of other fandoms.
 
2020-10-22 9:25:47 AM  
The Dire Wolf is at it again.
 
2020-10-22 9:25:49 AM  
In 1995, a man's body was found on the side of a highway by a Grateful Dead concert in Atlanta.

Some guy was found dead by the highway near the Omni, so that means he was a Deadhead? Now that's really stretching it.

/more likely he was a Led Zep fan
 
2020-10-22 9:27:10 AM  
Double Sequential Repeat is the name of my touring xylophone and recorder-based instrumental Grateful Dead cover band.
 
2020-10-22 9:27:35 AM  
How many Beatles or Tupac fans have been murdered over the years?

Like someone above said, it is like the Bermuda Triangle thing.
 
2020-10-22 9:30:32 AM  

puckrock2000: In 1995, a man's body was found on the side of a highway by a Grateful Dead concert in Atlanta.

Some guy was found dead by the highway near the Omni, so that means he was a Deadhead? Now that's really stretching it.

/more likely he was a Led Zep fan


Or even Phil Collins. IT'S IN THE SONGS MAN!!! "Hit & Run Records" ... "In the Air Tonight ", "Dreaming While You Sleep"...

Phil Face has been trying to tell us for almoat 40 years that he's the murderer!!!!
 
2020-10-22 9:32:01 AM  

Eightballjacket: How many Beatles or Tupac fans have been murdered over the years?

Like someone above said, it is like the Bermuda Triangle thing.


I bet the numbers on the latter is infinity greater than the former.
 
2020-10-22 9:36:21 AM  

MattytheMouse: vudukungfu: MattytheMouse: [Fark user image 415x328]
She must feed.

Matty, where can I get a grateful rock shirt?

I have the steal your cows one.

You'll have to ask Ann Coulter for the answer to that. Careful; she might kill you, apparently.


but that's you, on the right?
The cute one?
lol
 
2020-10-22 9:39:52 AM  
Grateful Dead - Dire Wolf.
Youtube Hhqyg_dTaTg


Don't murder me
I beg of you don't murder me
Pleeeeeease don't murder me
 
2020-10-22 9:41:44 AM  
I stepped in a dead body after a Foxboro show when we broke down on the GW bridge and I had to hike out to find a phone. It was way too decomposed to be a deadhead unless it was from a previous show. My shoe got stuck and I ended up abandoning both my shoes and all hope when I gave up to head back to the van. I've always wondered if my shoe is sitting in an evidence locker somewhere as part of a cold case. I've never told a soul that story until now.
 
2020-10-22 9:41:57 AM  
Ohhhhh! Back to back same article. You guys are doing great!!
 
2020-10-22 9:42:03 AM  

vudukungfu: MattytheMouse: vudukungfu: MattytheMouse: [Fark user image 415x328]
She must feed.

Matty, where can I get a grateful rock shirt?

I have the steal your cows one.

You'll have to ask Ann Coulter for the answer to that. Careful; she might kill you, apparently.

but that's you, on the right?
The cute one?
lol


D'aaaw, you think I'm cute! =>

But nope, that's not me! This is a picture of me. 
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2020-10-22 9:43:49 AM  
It's the heat that came down on them and murdered them for smilin' on cloudy days.


I seem to remember a couple who died at the hands of police around 1990 or so in separate incidents.

Patrick Shanahan:  ″compression of the neck during restraint,″

″It's not an accident, not a suicide, it's a homicide - meaning death at the hands of another,″ said coroner's investigator David Campbell.

https://apnews.com/article/ac9401c891​c​7afab65ab1837e063ff57


Adam Katz mysteriously died near a Dead show in New Jersey in '89 too and although it was never proven it was said to be at the hands of security guards
 
2020-10-22 9:45:46 AM  

RainDawg: I stepped in a dead body after a Foxboro show when we broke down on the GW bridge and I had to hike out to find a phone. It was way too decomposed to be a deadhead unless it was from a previous show. My shoe got stuck and I ended up abandoning both my shoes and all hope when I gave up to head back to the van. I've always wondered if my shoe is sitting in an evidence locker somewhere as part of a cold case. I've never told a soul that story until now.


Flushing Meadows '87, not Foxboro.
 
2020-10-22 9:49:11 AM  

RainDawg: RainDawg: I stepped in a dead body after a Foxboro show when we broke down on the GW bridge and I had to hike out to find a phone. It was way too decomposed to be a deadhead unless it was from a previous show. My shoe got stuck and I ended up abandoning both my shoes and all hope when I gave up to head back to the van. I've always wondered if my shoe is sitting in an evidence locker somewhere as part of a cold case. I've never told a soul that story until now.

Flushing Meadows '87, not Foxboro.


I was about to say - if you ended up on the GW Bridge after a Foxboro show, you took waaaaay too much of the brown acid.
 
2020-10-22 9:51:33 AM  

thespindrifter: Wow, murdered by a microbus...

"Two men were found dead in a ghastly Volkswagen van crash in 1995, but only one of the men could be identified. The only clues to who the second person was: two Grateful Dead tickets in his pocket."

The horror! Wait, I bet you could make an entire movie series about murderous cars, or even Volkswagens with minds of their own!!


Jeez, this article is just complete and utter horseshiat. "A car accident. Or WAS it?"

"Some of their songs are dark and explore death! No other band has ever done that!" (Never mind that "Dead" is right there in the band's name.)
 
2020-10-22 10:04:41 AM  
In the US, 6 murders per 100,000 per year.

50 years of fans. Several 100,000s of fans.  You'd expect around 700-1000 murders over the last 50 years.
 
2020-10-22 10:25:14 AM  
the grateful dead suck
 
2020-10-22 10:34:49 AM  

some_beer_drinker: the grateful dead suck


That is incorrect. You may not like them but they certainly do not suck. Plus they were responsible for one of the greatest moments of rock and roll excess. The Wall of Sound.

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2020-10-22 10:39:06 AM  
Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)
 
2020-10-22 10:53:30 AM  

mmojo: some_beer_drinker: the grateful dead suck

That is incorrect. You may not like them but they certainly do not suck. Plus they were responsible for one of the greatest moments of rock and roll excess. The Wall of Sound.

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Ha!  My parents went to a Dead concert in Philly in the early '70's that featured this sound system. My dad was a Navy electronics guy and used to talk about it all the time
 
2020-10-22 11:03:01 AM  
Jesus, I read the first two paragraphs and 1. not all of these are murders, just from the description provided and 2. I wonder how many fans of Zeppelin or the Stones or Aerosmith have been "murdered"?

This may be the dumbest excuse for an article I've ever read the first two paragraphs of.
 
2020-10-22 11:03:17 AM  

Super Chronic: Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)


Walk in the Sunshine was a Bobby song.  Dead never played it live
 
2020-10-22 11:05:37 AM  

mmojo: some_beer_drinker: the grateful dead suck

That is incorrect. You may not like them but they certainly do not suck. Plus they were responsible for one of the greatest moments of rock and roll excess. The Wall of Sound.

[Fark user image 850x551]


CSB: My freshman year in kollitch, my surprise roommate was an evangelical Deadhead. You know the type: Dragging around a couple of milk crates filled with bootlegs, convinced that if he played enough of them at sufficient volume at you, you would See The Light.

As someone who was heavily into Jazz, classical, prog, and Zappa, i.e. people who were not only expressive but could actually play in tune, being force-fed this stack of poorly recorded live performances by what sounded like a sloppy stoner garage band with an OK guitarist had precisely the opposite effect.

Thankfully, he dropped out after the first semester.

A few years later, I did finally come around to liking a few of their studio albums, and I'll defend Garcia's work with Dave Grisman, but all in all, they're vastly overrated, IMO.
 
2020-10-22 11:25:18 AM  
Pretty sure this is a logic puzzle answer.


Psycho killer mentality/desires + intellectually capable of working out that someone who has fewer ties to people with means will be less missed and so less looked for.
=

traveling group of anti-establishment types going it on their own to freely travel chasing a band across the country without a lot of means that might not even be noticed missing by that many people for a while.


yeah ok, looks like the lions just hangout where the herds of what they eat are most readily found.
See even animals can behave in a rational fashion if they are not thinking too hard and just fowling their instincts. So kinda looks natural to me anyway to just assume the same of murderous psycho nutters.
And then if we give them capacity to thin it out, they ought to come to the same conclusions i would imagine.
 
2020-10-22 11:28:15 AM  

Super Chronic: Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)


All songs the bandcouldn't play live because they were really just a bluegrass band on acid? Phil Lesh is amazing though.
 
2020-10-22 11:37:41 AM  

Wyckyd Sceptre: Super Chronic: Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)

Walk in the Sunshine was a Bobby song.  Dead never played it live


...From the Ace album, which uses the Dead as backing members, gave us two songs on the Dead's best-of album, and is part of the Dead canon.

(It Must Have Been the Roses is technically a Jerry solo song, although the Dead did play that live, of course.)
 
2020-10-22 11:42:49 AM  

RainDawg: Super Chronic: Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)

All songs the bandcouldn't play live because they were really just a bluegrass band on acid? Phil Lesh is amazing though.


I said "uniquely" just to avoid smartass answers. Alas.
 
2020-10-22 11:58:13 AM  

Super Chronic: Wyckyd Sceptre: Super Chronic: Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)

Walk in the Sunshine was a Bobby song.  Dead never played it live

...From the Ace album, which uses the Dead as backing members, gave us two songs on the Dead's best-of album, and is part of the Dead canon.

(It Must Have Been the Roses is technically a Jerry solo song, although the Dead did play that live, of course.)


Not on a Dead album, and never played it live =  not a Dead song.

Except to pedantic 'superfans'
 
2020-10-22 12:13:00 PM  

Wyckyd Sceptre: Super Chronic: Wyckyd Sceptre: Super Chronic: Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)

Walk in the Sunshine was a Bobby song.  Dead never played it live

...From the Ace album, which uses the Dead as backing members, gave us two songs on the Dead's best-of album, and is part of the Dead canon.

(It Must Have Been the Roses is technically a Jerry solo song, although the Dead did play that live, of course.)

Not on a Dead album, and never played it live =  not a Dead song.

Except to pedantic 'superfans'


Your point is noted. This wasn't intended to be a pissing match. (Being called "pedantic" on this point is hilariously ironic.) I was asking a fun question about what eight songs have in common.
 
2020-10-22 12:18:18 PM  

Super Chronic: Wyckyd Sceptre: Super Chronic: Wyckyd Sceptre: Super Chronic: Dead trivia time. What do the following songs have in common, uniquely among Dead songs: Box of Rain, Ripple, Cumberland Blues, New Speedway Boogie, It Must Have Been the Roses, Crazy Fingers, Row Jimmy, Walk in the Sunshine?

(Hint: Saint of Circumstance almost has this quality, but not quite.)

Walk in the Sunshine was a Bobby song.  Dead never played it live

...From the Ace album, which uses the Dead as backing members, gave us two songs on the Dead's best-of album, and is part of the Dead canon.

(It Must Have Been the Roses is technically a Jerry solo song, although the Dead did play that live, of course.)

Not on a Dead album, and never played it live =  not a Dead song.

Except to pedantic 'superfans'

Your point is noted. This wasn't intended to be a pissing match. (Being called "pedantic" on this point is hilariously ironic.) I was asking a fun question about what eight songs have in common.


Fair enough.  Honestly I'm just hung over and a little surly, and should leave other heads alone.  My fault
 
2020-10-22 12:29:34 PM  
Also, I believe the answer is "I don't know"
 
2020-10-22 12:43:20 PM  

Wyckyd Sceptre: Also, I believe the answer is "I don't know"


Ding ding ding!

In a majority of them, it's actually repeated in a chorus, refrain or coda.

Box of Rain: "It's just a box of rain, I don't know who put it there"
Ripple: "I don't know, don't really care"
Cumberland Blues: "I don't know now, I just don't know, if I'm going back again"
New Speedway Boogie: "I don't know, but I've been told"
It Must Have Been the Roses: "I don't know, it must have been the roses"
Crazy Fingers: "Life may be sweeter than this, I don't know"
Row Jimmy: "Gonna get there, I don't know"
Walk in the Sunshine*: "I ain't preaching, I don't know"

Compare Saint of Circumstance: "I sure don't know what I'm going for"

Slightly farther off, Deal: "Goes to show, you don't ever know"
And The Days Between: "No one knows much more of this"
 
2020-10-22 1:16:41 PM  

Wyckyd Sceptre: Also, I believe the answer is "I don't know"


It's everywhere...

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2020-10-22 1:56:02 PM  
Who wrote this article, a skinhead cop? Because yeah, this shocking death rate is what we should be focusing on ...
 
2020-10-22 2:11:23 PM  
Re-reading: this whole article is invalidated by its first sentence.

There was no Grateful Dead in 1996.
 
2020-10-22 3:42:23 PM  
Q:  "Why Are So Many Grateful Dead Fans Being Murdered?"

A: They're not.


This article is about cold cases, many of which were news when they happened...over 20 years ago.  Yes, there were certainly cases where people died at shows (I witnessed a drowning in Orlando on Easter Sunday one year), yes there were abuses by the police and security that resulted in serious injury and even death.  None of this was unique to the Deadheads.

The Daily Beast (that bastion of hard hitting reporting) is really quite astute to note that the band's repertoire includes references to death - wonder if Shakespeare fans will start being targeted next.  (Fwiw: Death Don't Have No Mercy was written by Rev. Gary Davis, although performed by the Dead)

Robert Hunter wrote some of the richest, most complex and poetic lyrics ever to grace a melody, and the Grateful Dead were for many years the only rock band who would even *consider* improvising an entire night's show.  They reached for the brass ring every night, joined by the audience in the ecstatic experience of conjuring the magical.

Even on nights when they fell flat (and they certainly had those nights) the Dead *never* sucked, and they never phoned it in.
 
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