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2020-10-21 8:48:08 PM  
I misread that as "LimeWire" and thought, "WTF, they're still around?"

/never used LimeWire
//other p2p file acquisition programs were available
///I might have used one a smattering of times
 
2020-10-21 9:37:56 PM  
Luckily most of them are still at the dealerships.
 
2020-10-21 10:19:22 PM  
Gosh, a Harley-Davidson that breaks down? This is my shocked face.
 
2020-10-21 10:48:18 PM  
Gotta love they keep the tradition alive even as they modernize.
 
2020-10-22 12:20:37 AM  
Do the electric ones have giant speakers tucked away somewhere to go BRRRRRUBBBBRUBBBBRRRRRB so that we all know how cool they are?
 
2020-10-22 12:36:41 AM  
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2020-10-22 12:43:33 AM  
Wow - it's hard to say bad things about riding an electric motorcycle tho - No transmission, low center of gravity, and gobs of torque right up to legal speeds.   I think less about the bike and more about the road.  HD is on the right track...

No BRUBBRUBBRUBBRAAAAA   just whzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZGhrhrhrrr​rrrrrrr.  I like that sound.
 
2020-10-22 1:06:45 AM  
There must be some self aware software that knows it's a Harley.
 
2020-10-22 1:36:40 AM  
Do they come with a "piss oil on the ground" feature. Otherwise I might not recognize it as a Harley.
 
2020-10-22 2:01:23 AM  
They're going into the small bike Asian market.
 
2020-10-22 2:05:46 AM  
1,000 biked are involved in the recall. Does that mean they only sold 1,000 bikes?
 
2020-10-22 3:31:07 AM  

Catlenfell: 1,000 biked are involved in the recall. Does that mean they only sold 1,000 bikes?


Maybe? Or maybe it's a range of serial numbers. Shipment X of part Y turned out to be crap so bikes that got Ys that arrived on the same boat are farked.
 
2020-10-22 7:04:32 AM  

Yaw String: Do they come with a "piss oil on the ground" feature.


Once the primary drive chain on the big twin engine was redesigned to be inside the oil sump, it's a non-issue.

The older bikes had drip lubrication of the chain as an easy, cheap feature. The screw to drip oil the primary chain was adjustable. Eyeball spec was if you parked the bike and got an oil spot on the ground the size of a half dollar, that was right on.
 
2020-10-22 7:05:07 AM  

SafetyThird: They're going into the small bike Asian market.


Don't know about that. They tried with the Street 500 but are now exiting India.
 
2020-10-22 7:07:52 AM  

Catlenfell: 1,000 biked are involved in the recall. Does that mean they only sold 1,000 bikes?


probably 1,000 bikes with an affected charge system controller. Other bikes changed during manufacturing and aren't affected.

Ram had a recall of ONE truck for a single instrument panel controller.

https://jalopnik.com/fiat-chrysler-re​c​alls-one-1-ram-1500-for-faulty-instr-1​837063444

Be glad that manufacturers keep all kinds of data on what models were made with which parts. That they can do a recall for issues as they become know is a good thing.
 
2020-10-22 7:30:16 AM  

Yaw String: Do they come with a "piss oil on the ground" feature. Otherwise I might not recognize it as a Harley.


Nope, they're supposed to though but weren't leaking, hence the recall.

/Didn't rtfa.
 
2020-10-22 8:12:32 AM  
Meh, reflash recall.

Dealerships will use the opportunity to sell the owners more "Harley Gear" while they're in for the reflash.

Bet Harley winds up making money off of the recall.
 
2020-10-22 8:22:24 AM  
I mean, if someone wants to give one of these away . . .

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2020-10-22 8:43:18 AM  

scanman61: Meh, reflash recall.

Dealerships will use the opportunity to sell the owners more "Harley Gear" while they're in for the reflash.

Bet Harley winds up making money off of the recall.


I always assumed this was at the heart of their reliability issues. It's a motorcycle. There's no way HD is incapable of making a bike as reliable as a Honda. You just have to hire operations leaders who have read their Deming and Drucker. But they don't.
 
2020-10-22 8:47:18 AM  
Only a moron would go to HD for an electric motorcycle.

Get a Zero & call it a day. Those things are friggin' amazing.
 
2020-10-22 8:49:15 AM  

GregInIndy: Only a moron would go to HD for an electric motorcycle.


There you go.
 
2020-10-22 9:32:24 AM  

Bob Falfa: Gosh, a Harley-Davidson that breaks down? This is my shocked face.


The true feat is they manage to make even electric bikes leak oil.
 
2020-10-22 9:33:55 AM  

Tchernobog: Do the electric ones have giant speakers tucked away somewhere to go BRRRRRUBBBBRUBBBBRRRRRB so that we all know how cool they are?


Probably. POS LEO allow Harley's to be exempt from sound limits. Pricks.
 
2020-10-22 9:34:47 AM  

Catlenfell: 1,000 biked are involved in the recall. Does that mean they only sold 1,000 bikes?


"Fewer"
 
2020-10-22 9:36:23 AM  

scanman61: Meh, reflash recall.


Girlfriend of mine has a 2020 Jeep Renegade. The recall on hers was downloaded to Uconnect over the air and she just had to click OK on the touchscreen to install.
 
2020-10-22 9:38:12 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: POS LEO allow Harley's to be exempt from sound limits.


Say what now? Stock HD motorcycles are decently quiet. It's the aftermarket SCREAMING EAGLE straightpipe upgrades that add noise (and remove the catalytic converters).
 
2020-10-22 10:38:55 AM  
I've been enjoying the Long Way Up series on Apple TV featuring enduro style modified electric HDs and Rivian prototype support trucks. Such an artificially created struggle, but the bikes have taken a beating, a few spills, and seem to be running good. I like to looks of a few electric bikes. Someone is developing a Rokon like electric off roader with supposedly 100 mile range. A quiet back roader and trail bike? Someone loan me some money, please.
 
2020-10-22 10:39:13 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: I mean, if someone wants to give one of these away . . .

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They're around. There's a few on cycle trader right now just not with rebuilt sport bike front ends like that top one though. Go buy an Indian FTR1200, they're newer and have liquid cooled DOHC engines for not much more.
 
2020-10-22 11:37:54 AM  

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* t-shirt made in China.
 
2020-10-22 12:22:34 PM  

soopey: Zeb Hesselgresser: I mean, if someone wants to give one of these away . . .

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They're around. There's a few on cycle trader right now just not with rebuilt sport bike front ends like that top one though. Go buy an Indian FTR1200, they're newer and have liquid cooled DOHC engines for not much more.


Been down that road, i had 1200 sporty that had fat Dunlops, Koni shocks, Progressive fork springs, oversize valves, Mikuni carb, Andrews cam, and a 2 into 1 SuperTrapp. It dyno'd at 87 hp, which in 1990 was good and fast for a Harley.  If and when I get another motorcycle it'll be  . . .   something along these lines

I figure early 70's moto-x, you know something with NO travel.
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2020-10-22 1:10:58 PM  

mrmopar5287: SafetyThird: They're going into the small bike Asian market.

Don't know about that. They tried with the Street 500 but are now exiting India.


They've been "building" a plant in Thailand for a while. Don't know how that's going.

Even with the 300% tariff on imports there are a surprising amount of big harleys in Bangkok.
 
2020-10-22 1:21:32 PM  

H31N0US: scanman61: Meh, reflash recall.

Dealerships will use the opportunity to sell the owners more "Harley Gear" while they're in for the reflash.

Bet Harley winds up making money off of the recall.

I always assumed this was at the heart of their reliability issues. It's a motorcycle. There's no way HD is incapable of making a bike as reliable as a Honda. You just have to hire operations leaders who have read their Deming and Drucker. But they don't.


I've had 6 HD's in my life and never had a problem with any of them that could have been blamed on the design.  The worst problem I ever had was the shifter popper out of the 'socket' because someone, presumably the previous owner, hadn't seated it properly on the splines and the splines on the shifter stripped.  A couple zip ties to keep it in worked until I got a replacement.  Another problem was a one-time affair - after servicing the mechanic didn't tighten one of the battery connections enough.  It was enough to keep the bike running but when I was 30 miles away from home it wouldn't start back up.

Actually there is one problem due to design, but a minor one.  The ball joints in the shift linkage are known to wear out at around 25k miles.  $13 worth of Heim joints fixed that and I have a spare set to put on one of my current bikes whenever I get around to it....10 minutes labor

canfault the design of the V-Twin motor's cam chain tensioners.  Prior to 2007 they were notorious for wearing out as early as 10k miles (although they could also last 80k+) due to the tensioner design as well as the cam chain design.  Post-2007 they changed them to be far, farrr more reliable and longer lasting.  The right thing to do is to ditch the cam chain altogether and use gears.  One of my bikes (a 2000 model) had the gears put in by the previous owner.  My other (2016) doesn't have them but I plan to put them in somewhere around 80k miles.

I actually had more problem with the two Hondas I owned.  The 750 Shadow has a mystery fuse blowing issue that lasted for months and disappeared as mysteriously as it appeared.  When it blew I lost my taillights and speedo light.  The VTX 1800R had electrical issues that were tracked down to grounding cables attached to various points that were painted, when they should have been bare metal.  Easy to fix.  The VTX also seeped coolant from the radiator hoses no matter WHAT I tried to stop it.  Seeped juuust enough to where I could smell it and after 3 weeks I'd have to clean the pipes.

/I sure do miss that VTX, it was a beast of a cruiser
 
2020-10-22 1:25:36 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: I mean, if someone wants to give one of these away . . .

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I used to have a 1200 Sportster.  I looked like a circus bear on a tricycle but MAN that thing was torquey and fun.  I was getting on the throttle one time and my hand was sweaty and slipped of the clutch lever when I shifted to 2nd and I popped the first wheelie of my life.  It was only 3-4 inches and surprised the hell out of me, but a wheelie nonetheless lol.
 
2020-10-22 1:33:46 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: The right thing to do is to ditch the cam chain altogether and use gears.


HD almost expects owners to do that.

Noise regulations apply to more than just exhaust and gear drive in the engine added to the trouble of HD passing the EPA noise tests. Switch to cam chains to pass and let the buyers swap gears in for reliability.

It's the same reason people delete DPF on diesel pickups: face a $5,000 repair bill in less than 100,000 miles, or spend less now to delete it?
 
2020-10-22 1:45:50 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Zeb Hesselgresser: I mean, if someone wants to give one of these away . . .

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I used to have a 1200 Sportster.  I looked like a circus bear on a tricycle but MAN that thing was torquey and fun.  I was getting on the throttle one time and my hand was sweaty and slipped of the clutch lever when I shifted to 2nd and I popped the first wheelie of my life.  It was only 3-4 inches and surprised the hell out of me, but a wheelie nonetheless lol.


best part about the little peanut tank, you can get your COG over the gas cap, so burnouts didn't turn into wheelie flips
 
2020-10-22 1:52:37 PM  

Tchernobog: Do the electric ones have giant speakers tucked away somewhere to go BRRRRRUBBBBRUBBBBRRRRRB so that we all know how cool they are?


Dunno about these but electric *cars* do have speakers, to let pedestrians who are inattentive and/or blind know something is coming at them.
 
2020-10-22 1:55:38 PM  

mrmopar5287: Be glad that manufacturers keep all kinds of data on what models were made with which parts. That they can do a recall for issues as they become know is a good thing.


When GM had the ignition switch recall, it turned out they had not changed part numbers when changing the ignition switch design, so they had to recall a metric assload of cars because they didn't know whether they had the good or bad switch.

So probably nobody will make that mistake again for a while.
 
2020-10-22 2:22:16 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: When GM had the ignition switch recall, it turned out they had not changed part numbers when changing the ignition switch design, so they had to recall a metric assload of cars because they didn't know whether they had the good or bad switch.

So probably nobody will make that mistake again for a while.


I remember that debacle. It wasn't a mistake. Engineers changed parts without a new part number, or at least a suffix letter added?! That was intentional.
 
2020-10-22 2:36:23 PM  

Bob Falfa: Gosh, a Harley-Davidson that breaks down? This is my shocked face.


Oh I had my shocked face on - 100% serious.  So, so many years of mechanical problems it was a bit of jolt to realize they've now achieved mastery over software farkery as well.  Grats H-D!
 
2020-10-22 5:06:55 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: Tchernobog: Do the electric ones have giant speakers tucked away somewhere to go BRRRRRUBBBBRUBBBBRRRRRB so that we all know how cool they are?

Dunno about these but electric *cars* do have speakers, to let pedestrians who are inattentive and/or blind know something is coming at them.


Yet electric forklifts do not. Scary.  And no, I don't mean when they back up.
 
2020-10-22 5:24:27 PM  

Tchernobog: Do the electric ones have giant speakers tucked away somewhere to go BRRRRRUBBBBRUBBBBRRRRRB so that we all know how cool they are?


almost...they incorporated an "airplane engine whine" sound to reduce the chances of a silent motorcycle hitting a pedestrian who can't hear it coming
 
2020-10-22 7:03:49 PM  
Big deal, my Ford Ranger unexpectedly shuts down when the fuel pump emergency shut off switch, uh, shuts off.  For no particular reason.

Bypassed it, solved that problem.

As long as I don't get in an accident...
 
2020-10-22 7:30:11 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: soopey: Zeb Hesselgresser: I mean, if someone wants to give one of these away . . .

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They're around. There's a few on cycle trader right now just not with rebuilt sport bike front ends like that top one though. Go buy an Indian FTR1200, they're newer and have liquid cooled DOHC engines for not much more.

Been down that road, i had 1200 sporty that had fat Dunlops, Koni shocks, Progressive fork springs, oversize valves, Mikuni carb, Andrews cam, and a 2 into 1 SuperTrapp. It dyno'd at 87 hp, which in 1990 was good and fast for a Harley.  If and when I get another motorcycle it'll be  . . .   something along these lines

I figure early 70's moto-x, you know something with NO travel.
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Good call. I have an open search for Kawi 500 triples. Because if I'm gonna kill myself on a bike, it's gonna be a 500 cc 2 stroke death machine with a power band like no other, god damnit. Or a pre-chicken tax Honda VFR700.

Or I'll be boring and find a late 60s early 70s Triumph T100/T120. The new bonnies are nice, but if I'm going that style, I'd like the OG thing.

/Currently riding a '13 Triumph Street Triple.
 
2020-10-22 8:40:16 PM  

soopey: Zeb Hesselgresser: soopey: Zeb Hesselgresser: I mean, if someone wants to give one of these away . . .

/Currently riding a '13 Triumph Street Triple.


Nice. I looked at them back then. The Naked Triple was cool looking AND fast. Didn't take Yamaha long to rip off jump on that fashion trend.

Had an RD350 in college. My first bike. Always been a two-stroke guy.

The H2, H3 are legendary, but don't forget, Suzuki made two-stroke triples for the street also. Water 💧 cooled, just in case the first hour didn't kill you.

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