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(Some Guy)   Steelworkers are seeking to unionize Carnegie employees. This is not a repeat from 1892   (usw.org) divider line
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2020-10-21 6:52:19 PM  
I....didn't realize the USW allowed non-steelworkers to join.   Huh.  Is this normal with other unions?  Carpenters?  Plumbers?
 
2020-10-21 7:09:54 PM  

raerae1980: I....didn't realize the USW allowed non-steelworkers to join.   Huh.  Is this normal with other unions?  Carpenters?  Plumbers?


Wildlife biologist member of the IBEW here, so yeah, it happens. In my case it's a government service contract that voted in the IBEW a year and a half back.
 
2020-10-21 7:13:04 PM  

raerae1980: I....didn't realize the USW allowed non-steelworkers to join.   Huh.  Is this normal with other unions?  Carpenters?  Plumbers?


Unions will represent other start up unions until they get established. Knew a teacher who was a Teamster for a few months when their union changed.

Besides, not like the steel union is growing by leaps and bounds.
 
2020-10-21 7:14:55 PM  
The start of again being a serious union town, hip hip hooray!
 
2020-10-21 7:17:00 PM  

GodComplex: raerae1980: I....didn't realize the USW allowed non-steelworkers to join.   Huh.  Is this normal with other unions?  Carpenters?  Plumbers?

Unions will represent other start up unions until they get established. Knew a teacher who was a Teamster for a few months when their union changed.

Besides, not like the steel union is growing by leaps and bounds.


Not to mention that the SEIU represents around 100 different professions in the service industry.
 
2020-10-21 7:34:23 PM  

raerae1980: I....didn't realize the USW allowed non-steelworkers to join.   Huh.  Is this normal with other unions?  Carpenters?  Plumbers?


They organized the Carnegie Library last year.
 
2020-10-21 7:43:56 PM  

raerae1980: I....didn't realize the USW allowed non-steelworkers to join.   Huh.  Is this normal with other unions?  Carpenters?  Plumbers?


I knew of managed care employees that were made a part of the UAW.
 
2020-10-21 8:08:47 PM  
I hope they are planning on practicing a lot.
 
2020-10-21 8:13:54 PM  
This needs to happen more frequently.

Now we need to figure out how to get unions into the white collar world.
 
2020-10-21 8:19:20 PM  

Branniganslaw: This needs to happen more frequently.

Now we need to figure out how to get unions into the white collar world.


I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.
 
2020-10-21 8:22:18 PM  

buzzcut73: Branniganslaw: This needs to happen more frequently.

Now we need to figure out how to get unions into the white collar world.

I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.


Exactly. It seems almost a point of pride to work like that. Unless I have a strict deadline, I log 8 hrs a day. If I work over one day, I make sure I claw that time back in other ways.
 
2020-10-21 9:29:05 PM  

Branniganslaw: buzzcut73: Branniganslaw: This needs to happen more frequently.

Now we need to figure out how to get unions into the white collar world.

I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.

Exactly. It seems almost a point of pride to work like that. Unless I have a strict deadline, I log 8 hrs a day. If I work over one day, I make sure I claw that time back in other ways.


IT seems to attract more than its fair share of Randroids, to whom unions are OOGA BOOGA SOCIALISM.
 
2020-10-21 10:03:43 PM  

buzzcut73: I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.


IT people hate dealing with co-workers who don't know WTF they're doing.  Making it impossible to get rid of those people is not a selling point.
 
2020-10-21 10:19:35 PM  
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2020-10-21 10:27:47 PM  

BMFPitt: buzzcut73: I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.

IT people hate dealing with co-workers who don't know WTF they're doing.  Making it impossible to get rid of those people is not a selling point.


Typical American thinking

"Who cares if I benefit? What if people I don't like benefit too?"
 
2020-10-21 10:40:38 PM  

BMFPitt: buzzcut73: I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.

IT people hate dealing with co-workers who don't know WTF they're doing.  Making it impossible to get rid of those people is not a selling point.


Well good news! A union would help train workers through an apprentice program, providing more experienced employees to help with your work load.
 
2020-10-21 10:48:12 PM  

Branniganslaw: BMFPitt: buzzcut73: I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.

IT people hate dealing with co-workers who don't know WTF they're doing.  Making it impossible to get rid of those people is not a selling point.

Well good news! A union would help train workers through an apprentice program, providing more experienced employees to help with your work load.


No no no, unions are bad.  Remember?  They only exist to keep bad people employed and some other stupid thing I can't remember because in actuality I enjoy my wife's teacher union benefits that keep my family healthy and safe.
 
2020-10-21 10:50:18 PM  

Branniganslaw: BMFPitt: buzzcut73: I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.

IT people hate dealing with co-workers who don't know WTF they're doing.  Making it impossible to get rid of those people is not a selling point.

Well good news! A union would help train workers through an apprentice program, providing more experienced employees to help with your work load.


I'm pro-union overall myself. But it is true unions would make it very difficult to get rid of the people that need to go. Would also make it difficult to hire fill needs with contractors.

From the selfish side I would have been as successful in my career if it was a union industry
 
2020-10-21 11:19:37 PM  

buzzcut73: raerae1980: I....didn't realize the USW allowed non-steelworkers to join.   Huh.  Is this normal with other unions?  Carpenters?  Plumbers?

Wildlife biologist member of the IBEW here, so yeah, it happens. In my case it's a government service contract that voted in the IBEW a year and a half back.


Forester member here.. perhaps we work for same alphabet agency.
 
2020-10-22 1:20:38 AM  

wildsnowllama: No no no, unions are bad.  Remember?  They only exist to keep bad people employed and some other stupid thing I can't remember because in actuality I enjoy my wife's teacher union benefits that keep my family healthy and safe.


My dad's teacher union benefits put food on our table, clothes on my back, a roof over my head, and paid for ER visits by all of us.  I am grateful.  Even in their retirement my folks have medical coverage I can only dream of thanks to the union.
 
2020-10-22 5:11:22 AM  

wildsnowllama: Branniganslaw: BMFPitt: buzzcut73: I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.

IT people hate dealing with co-workers who don't know WTF they're doing.  Making it impossible to get rid of those people is not a selling point.

Well good news! A union would help train workers through an apprentice program, providing more experienced employees to help with your work load.

No no no, unions are bad.  Remember?  They only exist to keep bad people employed and some other stupid thing I can't remember because in actuality I enjoy my wife's teacher union benefits that keep my family healthy and safe.


Well they were  bad, but now that we have created CEO's salaries 350x that of employees, had 40 years of wage stagnation, and eliminated (through theft) pensions that assured healthy retirement we need them to redistribute wealth in an equitable fashion again.

Everything that was old is new again...
 
2020-10-22 7:29:52 AM  

TDWCom29: Typical American thinking

"Who cares if I benefit? What if people I don't like benefit too?"


What an incredible failure to understand words.  If that's how you read it, there's probably nothing that will make you comprehend.
 
2020-10-22 7:33:31 AM  

Branniganslaw: Well good news! A union would help train workers through an apprentice program, providing more experienced employees to help with your work load.


You fundamentally don't understand what makes someone a good IT person.
 
2020-10-22 7:38:34 AM  

Branniganslaw: BMFPitt: buzzcut73: I've never understood why IT seems to be pretty anti-union. Working 70-90 hour weeks with no OT and what little time away you do have you're still responsible for answering emails sounds ripe for unions to form, but it seems a lot of people will brag about the long hours with no extra pay.

IT people hate dealing with co-workers who don't know WTF they're doing.  Making it impossible to get rid of those people is not a selling point.

Well good news! A union would help train workers through an apprentice program, providing more experienced employees to help with your work load.


IMO, it'll be kind of hard to "train" for IT.  Back when I was in IT, it was mostly (>75%) common sense, maybe 15% knowing how to Google that one bizarre problem that keeps resurfacing, and less than 10% prior knowledge.

You can get A+ certified, take courses, even worked with guys who got "an IT degree".  If you look at a PC that doesn't post and smells like burning and think it's a software problem, you're probably a Trump voter.
 
2020-10-22 7:50:35 AM  

freakdiablo: You can get A+ certified, take courses, even worked with guys who got "an IT degree".  If you look at a PC that doesn't post and smells like burning and think it's a software problem, you're probably a Trump voter.


CSB: It's been less than 24 hours since an especially useless lab guy emailed me to say there was a problem with one of my boxes and could I check it out?

After I couldn't SSH in, but could reach the redundant one fine, I was able to get the fact that it has been periodically shutting itself down for a few days and now doesn't post out of him.  Would have been nice to get that in the email.

I live in a fairly red county of a blue state, but at least there was no smoke coming out of it.
 
2020-10-22 11:37:55 AM  

BMFPitt: TDWCom29: Typical American thinking

"Who cares if I benefit? What if people I don't like benefit too?"

What an incredible failure to understand words.  If that's how you read it, there's probably nothing that will make you comprehend.


Seems like I was pretty spot on. You said your coworkers might resist the benefits unions because of people they consider unworthy of those benefits. I made a comment about how commonly American (and frankly stupid) that is.

That you seemed to take it personally when I wasn't talking about you seems to indicate I'm not the one who needs reading comprehension
 
2020-10-22 11:48:07 AM  

TDWCom29: Seems like I was pretty spot on. You said your coworkers might resist the benefits unions because of people they consider unworthy of those benefits.


The fact that you think you were anywhere close to spot on seems to indicate that you're not able or not willing to comprehend.
 
2020-10-22 11:57:57 AM  

BMFPitt: TDWCom29: Seems like I was pretty spot on. You said your coworkers might resist the benefits unions because of people they consider unworthy of those benefits.

The fact that you think you were anywhere close to spot on seems to indicate that you're not able or not willing to comprehend.


Oh I get it. You think that every person who thinks a coworker doesn't know wtf they're doing is always right. And those people (we'll call them the "good ones") are always thought of highly by their peers and are never questioned in their ability. Got it. I guess in this mythical Randian universe where the purely good and purely bad worker exists I guess this opposition to unions makes sense
 
2020-10-22 12:05:42 PM  

TDWCom29: Oh I get it.


No, you don't.  And the derp you posted after that got you even father away from getting it.
 
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