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2020-10-21 11:08:59 AM  
69 votes:
Conservative Catholics:
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2020-10-21 11:12:43 AM  
67 votes:
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2020-10-21 11:13:27 AM  
60 votes:
The other thread should have gotten green, but to repeat.

What do you call a Catholic who disagrees with the Pope?


Protestant
 
2020-10-21 10:59:52 AM  
29 votes:
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2020-10-21 11:10:59 AM  
21 votes:
Just like the Spanish Inquisition. No one expected it.
 
2020-10-21 11:11:20 AM  
11 votes:
The Catholic leadership are so going to have him assassinated. Damn shame
 
2020-10-21 11:17:02 AM  
10 votes:

minnesotaboy: The Catholic leadership are so going to have him assassinated. Damn shame


Yeah, the last thing a lot of senior clergy want is their tops suing them for alimony.
 
2020-10-21 11:15:53 AM  
10 votes:
Not marriages. Of course not.

The PR Pope here is advocating on behalf of OTHER governments to create laws that relegate gay people to separate-but-equal "civil unions."

He won't make these laws in the Vatican, of course. Even though it's entirely in his power. Nope.

And he also now claims he "stood up for" civil unions when he lived in Argentina.

Which is a lie.

He was a vocal opponent of marriage equality in Argentina, in pretty offensive terms. There are some who claim that he privately said he was okay with separate-but-equal.

That is not "standing up for X."

Francis is a fraud. Don't be suckered.
 
2020-10-21 11:17:35 AM  
9 votes:
He's still against birth control I think. I wonder if it is ok for lesbians to use condoms.
 
2020-10-21 11:15:20 AM  
9 votes:

EL EM: Just like the Spanish Inquisition. No one expected it.


And the comfy chair!
 
2020-10-21 11:34:26 AM  
7 votes:

TuckFrump: It's a start in the right direction. Still a lot of work to do, but it's a start


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2020-10-21 11:27:53 AM  
7 votes:

Minus1Kelvin: Still doesn't make up for aiding and abetting hundreds (thousands?) of child rapists.


Just a friendly reminder.  I still farking hate your Fark profile picture on mobile. I still stupidly try to wipe away the hair off my phone
 
2020-10-21 11:21:21 AM  
7 votes:
FTFA: Cruz, who is gay, said that during his first meetings with the pope in May 2018, Francis assured him that God made Cruz gay.

I knew Cruz was gay.
 
2020-10-21 11:12:35 AM  
6 votes:

EL EM: Just like the Spanish Inquisition. No one expected it.


Quite Interesting - Spanish Inquisition
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2020-10-21 12:23:43 PM  
5 votes:

punkwrestler: Farker Soze: He's still against birth control I think. I wonder if it is ok for lesbians to use condoms.

Dental damns!


LISA NEEDS BRACES!
 
2020-10-21 11:26:44 AM  
4 votes:

punkwrestler: Farker Soze: He's still against birth control I think. I wonder if it is ok for lesbians to use condoms.

Dental damns!


Are you swearing at my teeth?  Well, ankle damn to you, buddy.
 
2020-10-21 11:26:43 AM  
4 votes:
Well I guess Kim Davis, Liberty Counsel, Huckabee, Mat Staver, and Papal Nuncio Archbishop Vigano are all so happy that their concocted hijacking of  the Finale of  Francis' visit to America with a "private audience" worked out so well -- but not to their aggressive manipulative tastes.

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2020-10-21 11:12:36 AM  
4 votes:
Isn't this just an extension of the "love the sinner, hate the sin" bollocks?
 
2020-10-21 12:00:13 PM  
3 votes:
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2020-10-21 11:54:29 AM  
3 votes:

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"I've done everything the bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff!"
 
2020-10-21 11:46:47 AM  
3 votes:
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2020-10-21 11:41:14 AM  
3 votes:

EL EM: Just like the Spanish Inquisition. No one expected it.


But what a show, eh?
 
2020-10-21 11:38:17 AM  
3 votes:

severedtoe: fiddlehead: whidbey: Except the Pope couldn't actually call it "marriage."

Someone that goddamned farking powerful, still using euphemisms for "same sex marriage."

I'm sure the pope would want to call my secular marriage a "civil union" as well. "Marriage" is reserved for Catholics, and perhaps other accepted religions.

don't forget that you cannot get divorced in Catholicism.  only a dead spouse lets you out of the sacrement.

ask Anne Boleyn about it.


Which bit?
 
2020-10-21 11:18:53 AM  
3 votes:

Gaddiel: EL EM: Just like the Spanish Inquisition. No one expected it.

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I expect it has a more "now" name, like "INQWIZ" or some other pharmaceutical-sounding moniker
 
2020-10-21 11:18:49 AM  
3 votes:
American Catholics will be particularly angry.
 
2020-10-21 11:40:31 AM  
2 votes:

Gaddiel: EL EM: Just like the Spanish Inquisition. No one expected it.

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Holy shiat! Francis was in charge of the Spanish Inquisition?!? Who expected that???
 
2020-10-21 11:34:02 AM  
2 votes:

GrizzlyPouch: I've never understood the problem with civil unions anyway.  Calling something a marriage doesn't provide any added benefit.

And it's not like the definition of the word was ambiguous.  Man, woman, ceremony whole nine yards.

This is like the ONE aspect of society where the gay community wants to be just like breeders.


Are you ever right about anything?

Can't throw the criminal President under the bus,   can't admit gays are people like straights are.

What good are you?  You don't promote any healthy discussion about any issue.
 
2020-10-21 11:23:41 AM  
2 votes:

madgonad: tekmo: Not marriages. Of course not.

The PR Pope here is advocating on behalf of OTHER governments to create laws that relegate gay people to separate-but-equal "civil unions."

He won't make these laws in the Vatican, of course. Even though it's entirely in his power. Nope.

And he also now claims he "stood up for" civil unions when he lived in Argentina.

Which is a lie.

He was a vocal opponent of marriage equality in Argentina, in pretty offensive terms. There are some who claim that he privately said he was okay with separate-but-equal.

That is not "standing up for X."

Francis is a fraud. Don't be suckered.

Dude, this is the Pope.

Baby steps.


I thought he was the minister of funny hats?
 
2020-10-21 11:21:26 AM  
2 votes:

Begoggle: American Catholics will be particularly angry.


If you want to make heads spin, remind them that a previous Pope declared "Americanism" to be heresy.
 
2020-10-21 11:20:59 AM  
2 votes:

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she and catholics like her already think the pope is a fake pope or doesn't count or something
 
2020-10-21 11:20:04 AM  
2 votes:
Still doesn't make up for aiding and abetting hundreds (thousands?) of child rapists.
 
2020-10-21 11:19:15 AM  
2 votes:
"What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered."

This old argument again? "You can have the benefits of marriage but don't you dare call it 'marriage!'" The hubris endemic to any organization which claims a monopoly over the definition of marriage is staggering. I guess we should also revoke the marriages and issue 'civil union certificates' for all straight atheist couples? Or all non-catholic couples?

They need to get over themselves. Any such 'separate but equal' type arguments reveal them for what they truly are.
 
2020-10-21 11:13:48 AM  
2 votes:
Well since the office of the papacy is protected by infallibility, meaning it's not possible for the Pope to authoritatively pronounce a teaching that is untrue, does this mean if Catholics disagree, they will be forced to believe they will burn in hell?  Please tell me it does.
 
2020-10-21 11:11:53 AM  
2 votes:
Was not expecting that.
 
2020-10-21 4:27:17 PM  
1 vote:

zepillin: civil agreements and power of attorney could cover that just fine


So you're arguing on behalf of couples creating binding, enforceable civil contracts that invest each other with reciprocal obligations?

This already exists and it's called "marriage."

/facepalm
 
2020-10-21 4:16:32 PM  
1 vote:
It's over. Cons lost. Get over it.
 
2020-10-21 3:59:01 PM  
1 vote:
Jeez.  Lighten up Francises.
 
2020-10-21 3:12:04 PM  
1 vote:

Herr Morgenstern: nekom: [Fark user image image 257x196]
It's not at odds with the teachings of Jesus, that's for sure.  Now the old testament, well that's another story.

That's the thing I'll never understand about old testament Christians. The whole point of Jesus was to form a new covenant with God, a sort of contract renegotiation that rendered the previous covenant null and void. You either accept that the old testament is no longer an authority in Christian religion, or you accept that you're not really a Christian.


That view was proposed and rejected in the year 325
 
2020-10-21 2:14:47 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: whidbey: HighOnCraic: Oddly enough, civil unions were offered by progressives as a compromise position (similar to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"), which was firmly rejected by conservatives who thought that even the compromise was going too far.

Where are you getting this?

Which "progressives" offered this compromise?

From memory, but given time, I could probably find citations.


I'd be interested.

Because progressives have fought for the real thing: same sex marriage, for well over 50 years or more.

"Civil Unions" is what the moderates wanted.
 
2020-10-21 1:57:19 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: Oddly enough, civil unions were offered by progressives as a compromise position (similar to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"), which was firmly rejected by conservatives who thought that even the compromise was going too far.


Where are you getting this?

Which "progressives" offered this compromise?
 
2020-10-21 1:51:49 PM  
1 vote:
Well played, subby.
 
2020-10-21 1:20:30 PM  
1 vote:

rka: severedtoe: don't forget that you cannot get divorced in Catholicism.

Not exactly. My divorced mother and Catholic stepfather could have been married in the Catholic church.

...if she would have annulled her first marriage to my Dad. Who was still very much present in our lives.

She did not follow through with the annulment however and they got married in the Lutheran Church in town instead.


She should have just had him beheaded, there is precedence.
 
2020-10-21 1:03:53 PM  
1 vote:

Cardinal Ximenez: Couple of things many people are missing, first as the leader of an organization with over a billion members he's definitely slowly shifting things to the progressive side & hopefully will change things for years to come. As many have said, he's actually following the teachings of Christ much more than most Christians.

Second in many countries outside of the US or those in Europe, if you're a Catholic, anything the Pope says is a huge deal.  I have friends who are the first generation born in the US that are so devoted to the church that they have actually changed their views for the better, because of this Pope.

Third, Canon law is kinda like the pirates code, it's more guidelines to set order or structure because it's such a huge organization. Dispensation can be granted by bishops or the Pope when they feel its warranted & they've been doing it with Covid lately.   I actually know a gay priest who was only able to become one because of Francis' views, so while the church definitely has its faults, the effort is at least being made to try & change with the times & actually follow the teachings like they should.


And I bet nobody expected it!
 
2020-10-21 12:47:46 PM  
1 vote:
I don't care who gets married, I just don't want the government to recognize it. Last time I checked, the government isn't running a dating service, and they shouldn't care if you're married or single.
 
2020-10-21 12:24:43 PM  
1 vote:
Welcome to Obama's America.
 
2020-10-21 12:01:14 PM  
1 vote:

Rev.K: I wish to nominate this headline as a candidate for Fark's Headline of the YearTM


While it is a great headline... ;Frankie Goes to Hollywood' was right there for the taking, as well.
 
2020-10-21 11:56:26 AM  
1 vote:
A few years back when the US supreme court made gay marriage legal, a former friend (the one who has gone completely far right wing) was flipping out and having a total melt down. I told him to relax, it is not going to affect him in the least. To which he replied "well, how would you like having them live next door to you!!!". My reply was "It's like living next door to tall people, it is not going to make me taller."
 
2020-10-21 11:34:48 AM  
1 vote:
Typhoid Amy due to stroke out in 10 ... 9 ... 8 ... 7

(I've never bought the religious part of Typhoid Amy. She's all Pharisee. Abortion is her "beard" issue to let her slip making the rich richer part into the books.)
 
2020-10-21 11:34:21 AM  
1 vote:
All of you Catholics that wish to disagree with your holy crusader leader, please do.
Go all the way.
Just wear condoms when you do.

You don't need to breed more Catholics for him to force tithing guilt upon.
Hit him where it hurts, the gold bank.
Stop making donors.

Your dinner table will thank me.
 
2020-10-21 11:33:52 AM  
1 vote:
"Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God," Francis said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film.

Now what the f*cking F*CK is so hard about this to understand?
 
2020-10-21 11:33:11 AM  
1 vote:
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dedicated to the bible thumpers and theologians of each and every religion that condemn homosexuality / same sex marriage.

Why do you care so much about what consenting adults do, who they love? it's godamned (pardon the pun) 2020, and the ass end of it at that. Let it go. Let it go already.
 
2020-10-21 11:32:11 AM  
1 vote:
If you wanted to support civil unions, the time was 1995 +/- 5 years.

Instead, the churches, including the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, spent much of that era lobbying for DOMA and state constitutional amendments that specifically barred "anything like marriage".

You don't get to come back from that and say, "hey, wouldn't civil unions be good enough?"
 
2020-10-21 11:31:51 AM  
1 vote:

fiddlehead: whidbey: Except the Pope couldn't actually call it "marriage."

Someone that goddamned farking powerful, still using euphemisms for "same sex marriage."

I'm sure the pope would want to call my secular marriage a "civil union" as well. "Marriage" is reserved for Catholics, and perhaps other accepted religions.


Gay atheists get married too, though.  "Civil Union" is akin to "separate but equal."
 
2020-10-21 11:30:22 AM  
1 vote:
Ah trying to keep the church relevant.  He's seen the assignment shift in younger demographics either not caring if people who love eachother getting married or outright support it.

How are you going to keep people in the church, and by extension keep them paying into the church if they refuse to join or stay due to their outright refusal to get with the times?

This isn't some grand gesture because he cares.  This is an attempt to keep the spice (cash) flowing by making them seem inclusive while not actually doing any of it.

It's purely a PR move.   Younger generations are all in, but even amongst older populations it is still at 60+% approval rating.

So as the older generations die off we're looking at a huge amount of support amongst younger generations and they're not going to stay in or join a church that is outright hostile to it.  This is them attempting to stay relevant/functioning and not actually caring.  If the shift hadn't happened he'd still be against it.
 
2020-10-21 11:26:52 AM  
1 vote:

whidbey: Except the Pope couldn't actually call it "marriage."

Someone that goddamned farking powerful, still using euphemisms for "same sex marriage."


I'm sure the pope would want to call my secular marriage a "civil union" as well. "Marriage" is reserved for Catholics, and perhaps other accepted religions.
 
2020-10-21 11:22:36 AM  
1 vote:
Except the Pope couldn't actually call it "marriage."

Someone that goddamned farking powerful, still using euphemisms for "same sex marriage."
 
2020-10-21 11:21:51 AM  
1 vote:

Farker Soze: He's still against birth control I think. I wonder if it is ok for lesbians to use condoms.


Dental damns!
 
2020-10-21 11:19:45 AM  
1 vote:

fiddlehead: "Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God," Francis said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film. "What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered."

So separate but equal.


Yes, but still a step forward from they should all burn in hell! Sinners!
 
2020-10-21 11:13:05 AM  
1 vote:
This is a great step forward, in the "Organized religion gets graded on a curve" sort of way.
 
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