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2020-10-21 10:05:08 AM  
Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.
 
2020-10-21 10:30:34 AM  
They aren't wrong at all, at all.
 
2020-10-21 10:33:56 AM  
They're about 40 years too late. But then again it's just coming up on 1980 in Iowa.
 
2020-10-21 10:48:53 AM  
I didn't need the Des Moines Register to tell me that. And *Googles* "absentee in-person" voting in Iowa has been going on for over two weeks.

/Voted early in Georgia last Saturday.
 
2020-10-21 10:54:24 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.


So I don't follow Iowa politics at all.  Who'd they endorse in the last few Presidential elections?  Do they typically lean left or right, or are they fairly centrist?
 
2020-10-21 11:35:44 AM  
I actually posed to my more hardcore conservative friends and family (the ones who actually support Trump) that we should at least give the Dems 4 years to see if they can fix things, and if not we'll probably swing slightly back the other way. That's just how it works. The GOP at least needs the reality check to try to get their shiat together.

And if you can't vote D, at least vote for an R who doesn't have their tongue implanted in Trump's anus.
 
2020-10-21 11:56:06 AM  

Altimus Prime: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.

So I don't follow Iowa politics at all.  Who'd they endorse in the last few Presidential elections?  Do they typically lean left or right, or are they fairly centrist?


Went twice for Obama; been a flip flopping state for, well, ever.
 
2020-10-21 12:31:00 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.


Trump did not get a single newspaper endorsement in 2016 other than like two hyper partisan ones.
 
2020-10-21 12:31:06 PM  
Glad they woke up since I've been advocating this move since 2015.
 
2020-10-21 12:34:08 PM  
The shiat winds are blowing, Donnie.
 
2020-10-21 12:35:26 PM  

Altimus Prime: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.

So I don't follow Iowa politics at all.  Who'd they endorse in the last few Presidential elections?  Do they typically lean left or right, or are they fairly centrist?


It looks like they endorse a whole lot more Ds than Rs. Hillary in 2016. Romney in 2012. But before 2012, they endorsed Ds all the way back until Nixon in 1972.
 
2020-10-21 12:36:06 PM  
Following that, the GOP should be outlawed as an enemy of America and have its assets stripped.
 
2020-10-21 12:36:18 PM  
That's a pretty strong statement coming from a newspaper based in Canada.
 
2020-10-21 12:37:32 PM  
You people really need to lay off the drugs, they are really starting to warp your already warped brains.
 
2020-10-21 12:39:42 PM  
"An overwhelming repudiation at the polls might drive home to Republicans how far they have strayed from the principles of their past."

Nope, and here's why:

"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
― David Frum
 
2020-10-21 12:40:29 PM  
Throwing them out is only part of it. Gotta keep them out. Even with winning the presidency and the senate this shiat is going to take more than four years to fix. Probably more than eight. Dont ever forget who caused it. And ignore their cries of Democrats not being able to quickly fix what Republicans broke and obstructed from being fixed.

In other words, this is America, so we'll be right back to where we are now in less than a decade.
 
2020-10-21 12:40:45 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.

Trump did not get a single newspaper endorsement in 2016 other than like two hyper partisan ones.


And the National Enquirer.
 
2020-10-21 12:41:17 PM  
Hopefully, the sentiment gets passed on.
 
2020-10-21 12:41:55 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: And if you can't vote D, at least vote for an R who doesn't have their tongue implanted in Trump's anus.


As if any of those can ever be trusted to govern anything. Most of those you'll encounter over the next decade will be rats who've jumped off the sinking garbage scow, with maybe a tiny handful who've been playing a long game thinking "I'll inherit it ALL when Trump finally sinks HAHAHAHAHA!!!" (Flake, Jeffery, q.v.).

And, starting soon, former young college repubs who'll plead "no no no I was never a MAGAt that was all before my time".

Ain't nothing left in "conservativism" worth conserving.
 
2020-10-21 12:42:57 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Throwing them out is only part of it. Gotta keep them out. Even with winning the presidency and the senate this shiat is going to take more than four years to fix. Probably more than eight. Dont ever forget who caused it. And ignore their cries of Democrats not being able to quickly fix what Republicans broke and obstructed from being fixed.

In other words, this is America, so we'll be right back to where we are now in less than a decade.


We haven't cleaned up after Nixon. We still have to get through that, Reagan, and W's shiat before we can get to cleaning up after Trump.
 
2020-10-21 12:43:23 PM  

JFK Shot First: You people really need to lay off the drugs, they are really starting to warp your already warped brains.


Sick post, pizza cutter.
 
2020-10-21 12:50:01 PM  

fragMasterFlash: The shiat winds are blowing, Donnie.


Shiat clock's ticking!
 
2020-10-21 12:53:55 PM  

Dafatone: Altimus Prime: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.

So I don't follow Iowa politics at all.  Who'd they endorse in the last few Presidential elections?  Do they typically lean left or right, or are they fairly centrist?

It looks like they endorse a whole lot more Ds than Rs. Hillary in 2016. Romney in 2012. But before 2012, they endorsed Ds all the way back until Nixon in 1972.


Once upon a time Iowa was quite progressive. Then the farm crisis of the 80s forced education funding cuts and then meth took over. So it goes.
 
2020-10-21 12:54:31 PM  
Republicans need to be voted out and actively disenfranchised to keep them out.

2022 will be a rallying cry for "Biden didn't fix everything fast enough and we wanna be in charge". And the stupid states will buy it
 
2020-10-21 12:57:40 PM  
Yep. Ernst is pharked, all right.
 
2020-10-21 12:58:09 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Republicans need to be voted out and actively disenfranchised to keep them out.

2022 will be a rallying cry for "Biden didn't fix everything fast enough and we wanna be in charge". And the stupid states will buy it


Yep. The GOP is going to push for more tax cuts and suffering "austerity measures" for the American people in order to gain back their power, further proving that they don't care about the American people, just their power.
 
2020-10-21 12:59:03 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: And if you can't vote D, at least vote for an R who doesn't have their tongue implanted in Trump's anus.


Yeah. Good luck with that.
 
2020-10-21 1:01:12 PM  

SolderGlob: "An overwhelming repudiation at the polls might drive home to Republicans how far they have strayed from the principles of their past."

Nope, and here's why:

"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
― David Frum


What?  Actually mount the head of a duly elected Governor on a pike because they were asked to wear a mask?  Maybe more simple stuff like shooting up another Wal Mart's customers in El Paso or,  go back to blowing up little girls in churches?

Best look they've sported since "Morning In America" was a thang, was left under a blue tarp - by the FBI.

/f*ck 'em
 
2020-10-21 1:02:57 PM  

Sid Vicious' Corpse: Dafatone: Altimus Prime: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.

So I don't follow Iowa politics at all.  Who'd they endorse in the last few Presidential elections?  Do they typically lean left or right, or are they fairly centrist?

It looks like they endorse a whole lot more Ds than Rs. Hillary in 2016. Romney in 2012. But before 2012, they endorsed Ds all the way back until Nixon in 1972.

Once upon a time Iowa was quite progressive. Then the farm crisis of the 80s forced education funding cuts and then meth took over. So it goes.


Its still progressive in many locations.  Its just that there a massive brain drain (that admittedly I am a part of) leaving large amounts of young people that never know anything outside of their little towns or what they experience growing up from their talk radio listening parents.
 
2020-10-21 1:04:41 PM  
I voted no to every Florida judge on the ballot.  They're all Republican appointments from Bush, Scott, and DeSantis.
 
2020-10-21 1:05:26 PM  

Dafatone: Altimus Prime: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.

So I don't follow Iowa politics at all.  Who'd they endorse in the last few Presidential elections?  Do they typically lean left or right, or are they fairly centrist?

It looks like they endorse a whole lot more Ds than Rs. Hillary in 2016. Romney in 2012. But before 2012, they endorsed Ds all the way back until Nixon in 1972.


Can you think of anything about Nixon that might've soured a person or organization on the concept of endorsing the Republican party?
 
2020-10-21 1:05:42 PM  

JFK Shot First: You people really need to lay off the drugs, they are really starting to warp your already warped brains.


Noted, dude with whacked user name.
 
2020-10-21 1:07:04 PM  

JFK Shot First: You people really need to lay off the drugs, they are really starting to warp your already warped brains.


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2020-10-21 1:07:09 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Republicans need to be voted out and actively disenfranchised to keep them out.

2022 will be a rallying cry for "Biden didn't fix everything fast enough and we wanna be in charge". And the stupid states will buy it


Switch "Republicans" to "Democrats" and you'll fit right in on the other side.
 
2020-10-21 1:07:15 PM  

SolderGlob: "An overwhelming repudiation at the polls might drive home to Republicans how far they have strayed from the principles of their past."

Nope, and here's why:

"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
― David Frum


Haven't they done that already? If not in word at least in practice. The trial balloons about Donnie staying on in spite of losing and shouts of "12 more years" at his rallies are just the latest cobblestones laid on a path toward autocracy that's been building for decades...

Also it's not like all this just goes away if Biden wins. The roots of fascism are all around us, and a sizable minority of Americans basically think democracy is a terrible idea because it would cause them to lose actual or perceived power. All it would take is someone smarter than Trump and the right conditions to usher in the autocracy...hell, it could still happen with Trump. We have battled and will continue to battle this for generations.
 
2020-10-21 1:07:35 PM  
This is my permanent voting stance, until the dems field someone as awful as trump an go all in with him.
 
2020-10-21 1:09:18 PM  

jimmythrust: fragMasterFlash: The shiat winds are blowing, Donnie.

Shiat clock's ticking!


Can confirm, currently finishing second cup of coffee.
 
2020-10-21 1:09:51 PM  

qorkfiend: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Republicans need to be voted out and actively disenfranchised to keep them out.

2022 will be a rallying cry for "Biden didn't fix everything fast enough and we wanna be in charge". And the stupid states will buy it

Switch "Republicans" to "Democrats" and you'll fit right in on the other side.


Except then he'd be a liar.
 
2020-10-21 1:10:10 PM  

tricycleracer: I voted no to every Florida judge on the ballot.


Me too.

fark 'em all.
 
2020-10-21 1:10:52 PM  
Bums is too kind.  Most bums I have seen are simply drunk, stink, wear vomit and bug you for change.

Righties actively try to fark you over, take away your health care, steal your retirement, pollute your air and water and allow banks and other financial institutions to royally screw you with no repercussions - all the while projecting a sheen of moral superiority.  If we were a just nation mass hangings would be in the offing.
 
2020-10-21 1:11:15 PM  

tricycleracer: I voted no to every Florida judge on the ballot.  They're all Republican appointments from Bush, Scott, and DeSantis.


I voted no on all the judges on my Iowa ballot; didn't know if some were good or not but my take is it's better to change the judges regularly.

On the pick 4 out of 5 (or was it 6) soil and water - I figure anyone who wants that job is probably ok (or not) so I voted for the first couple, skipped one, and voted for two more.

I also voted straight blue the rest of the way.
 
2020-10-21 1:12:35 PM  
Good to see Rox Laird still kickin' it at the DMR, now on the editorial board.

Always seemed sorta goofy to me, but he was always a good, fair, sensible reporter.

It's always refreshing when the board speaks. They don't do it often, but when they do they wield as much, or more sometimes, weight in the state than the local TV media (lookin' right square at you WHO and WOI), that ignores what Gov. Drunky McDrunkerson and the state legislature have been doing.

Even their own newsroom is oft times guilty of doing that, but not the board.
 
2020-10-21 1:14:13 PM  
Iowa farmers have been hurt so badly by Trump's farking deals that 40% of their income is gov't aid
Farmers are more likely than any other occupation are more likely to commit suicide and Trump has tried in his budge proposals to cut mental health programs that directly help rural areas.
 
2020-10-21 1:16:43 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.

Trump did not get a single newspaper endorsement in 2016 other than like two hyper partisan ones.


And all the newspapers were completely right that a Trump presidency would be garbage.
 
2020-10-21 1:19:12 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Republicans need to be voted out and actively disenfranchised to keep them out.

2022 will be a rallying cry for "Biden didn't fix everything fast enough and we wanna be in charge". And the stupid states will buy it


It seems, then, that it would behoove the Democrats to make as much major, sweeping positive change to the country as they can for those first two years, showing what good for the nation they're capable of achieving when given the chance.

Wait, why are you laughing?
 
2020-10-21 1:22:52 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Would link right to the DMR, but it's paywalled.

Yeah, papers don't get as much weight as they used to, but DMR is still a kingmaker in IA politics, and this is a stronger statement than I've ever seen them publish.


And it is a correct framing of reality while being such an adamant statement.

Kudos to the editorial board, this is a great example of one stepping up.
 
2020-10-21 1:23:01 PM  
Everyone believes this notion. With the "except my guy" exception. Akin to a supporter of term limits voting for a Congress critter who's been in office 24 years.
 
2020-10-21 1:24:12 PM  
And then bulldoze everything the bums love.

And then after their treason trials we execute the Trump family in 2021 - woo woo.
 
2020-10-21 1:25:17 PM  

SolderGlob: "An overwhelming repudiation at the polls might drive home to Republicans how far they have strayed from the principles of their past."

Nope, and here's why:

"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
― David Frum


So we should accept Republican malicious incompetence because otherwise conservatives will thug out and start bombing federal buildings.

Mr. Frum understands the psychology of his fellow conservatives very well. He does not understand that their violent predilections are reasons to crush them at the polls rather than reasons to submit to them.
 
2020-10-21 1:33:51 PM  

whippersnapper: SolderGlob: "An overwhelming repudiation at the polls might drive home to Republicans how far they have strayed from the principles of their past."

Nope, and here's why:

"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
― David Frum

Haven't they done that already? If not in word at least in practice. The trial balloons about Donnie staying on in spite of losing and shouts of "12 more years" at his rallies are just the latest cobblestones laid on a path toward autocracy that's been building for decades...

Also it's not like all this just goes away if Biden wins. The roots of fascism are all around us, and a sizable minority of Americans basically think democracy is a terrible idea because it would cause them to lose actual or perceived power. All it would take is someone smarter than Trump and the right conditions to usher in the autocracy...hell, it could still happen with Trump. We have battled and will continue to battle this for generations.


Yes they have, and are rejecting democracy currently. The GOP has no intention of moving to the center because, in their eyes, any failure to achieve power means that they aren't sufficiently conservative and that the only path is to be more conservative. It's how we went from "compassionate conservativism" under Bush, to the Tea Party under Obama, to the current fascists under Trump. 

If/when Biden wins, expect the GOP to finally take the leap off the edge into fascism.
 
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