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(Fox News)   Neck gaiter study suggesting that neck gaiters were effective at preventing the spread of COVID-19 was sponsored by company that produces neck gaiters. Neck gaiter   (foxnews.com) divider line
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2020-10-21 2:32:20 PM  
7 votes:

p51d007: ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.


Any reason why areas with mask mandates and high mask usage have lower amount of cases? Just a wild coincidence?
 
2020-10-21 12:53:28 PM  
5 votes:
Pretty much any face covering will help impede droplets, but there will be a big difference in efficiency depending on what the mask is made of.  That's where I think a lot of the confusion in the general public comes from.  There is an assumption that all face coverings are basically the same.

A gaiter is going to provide just minimal protection because the fabric is thin, stretchy, and has relatively large holes.  That level of protection is likely sufficient in areas where there is low risk and low virus density, such as in outdoor locations.  But in areas where there is going to be a higher viral load, like an indoor office, then the gaiter is not going to stop enough of the virus to keep someone from getting infected.  The studies I've seen for gaiters seem to show that they are better than nothing, but they are a lot worse than a surgical or N95 mask.
 
2020-10-21 12:30:56 PM  
5 votes:
Fox news nope.
 
2020-10-21 12:45:28 PM  
4 votes:
I read that as neck goiter
 
2020-10-21 11:59:34 AM  
4 votes:
I assume Fox News is thinking this is the model to strive for:
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2020-10-21 11:51:13 AM  
4 votes:

Sin'sHero: I fold a mask into a neck gaiter (buff?)  to avoid the straps chafing my ears.


i do the same with a bandana.  i figure people think i'm stupid only for only using a bandana, but i cinch it down and double knot it and it probably keeps the mask more tightly fitted to my face than most everyone else's and keeps stuff from leaking out the sides
 
2020-10-21 10:45:44 AM  
4 votes:
I fold a mask into a neck gaiter (buff?)  to avoid the straps chafing my ears.
 
2020-10-21 3:14:19 PM  
3 votes:

p51d007: ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.


This isn't remotely true but you do you
 
2020-10-21 3:04:30 PM  
3 votes:

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: efefvoC: For reasons of comfort and style, I wear neck gaiters. For reasons of protection, I tape a PM2.5 mask filter to the inside, covering my nose and mouth. Seems to work fairly well.

This may be true but since I can't see the proper filter, why should I trust you?


An interesting conundrum. How do you trust anyone else to be properly masked? Looking around me at all the people with loose masks hanging off their faces, or tucked under nose or chin, I generally suspect that anyone actually managing to cover their face with anything is doing a better job than a quarter of the people out there. I suppose if we met in person and you were concerned about the efficacy of my face cover you could ask me about it, but in general I would recommend doing your part to the best of your ability, but don't trust your safety to strangers doing their's.
 
2020-10-21 2:11:31 PM  
3 votes:

efefvoC: For reasons of comfort and style, I wear neck gaiters. For reasons of protection, I tape a PM2.5 mask filter to the inside, covering my nose and mouth. Seems to work fairly well.


This may be true but since I can't see the proper filter, why should I trust you?
 
2020-10-21 1:20:14 PM  
3 votes:
Yes, but it's still effective for virtue signaling.
 
2020-10-21 10:03:12 AM  
3 votes:
I have a Mission-branded cooling towel and it's FAR thicker than their neck gaiters. I can't even believe neck gaiters got popular in the first place. Maybe my nose isn't ramp-shaped enough, but the MF things never stay on my face for more than 30 seconds. I've tried 10+ designs since Covid started and I keep coming back to either N95 for max effectiveness or plain surgical masks for max comfort.

Not to mention $20 for essentially the same amount and type of material as in a pair of synthetic boxers. In another reality, this would be War Profiteering.
 
2020-10-21 8:22:19 PM  
2 votes:

p51d007: Obscure Login: p51d007: ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.

Any reason why areas with mask mandates and high mask usage have lower amount of cases? Just a wild coincidence?

CDC study finds that the MAJORITY of people getting sick, HAD WORN MASKS

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/c​dc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-o​f-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-mask​s/


Which, if true, is exactly why mask usage needs to be mandatory. Because it isn't a matter of, "If you're worried about catching it, you wear a mask. I ain't afraid so I ain't gonna." You wear a mask because you might already be infected. You wear a mask to keep your sneezes, coughs, and the moisture of your regular exhalations (like how you see your breath in the cold) from making others sick. Others wear their masks around you to keep from making you sick. It works if we all do it. It doesn't work if a few do and most don't. It's why we should all be avoiding the unmasked like the plague, even if we are wearing one.

But this requires people to not be selfish and to think of the well being of others, which is unfortunately far from universal.
 
2020-10-21 2:22:07 PM  
2 votes:

warrenn: Pretty much any face covering will help impede droplets, but there will be a big difference in efficiency depending on what the mask is made of.  That's where I think a lot of the confusion in the general public comes from.  There is an assumption that all face coverings are basically the same.

A gaiter is going to provide just minimal protection because the fabric is thin, stretchy, and has relatively large holes.  That level of protection is likely sufficient in areas where there is low risk and low virus density, such as in outdoor locations.  But in areas where there is going to be a higher viral load, like an indoor office, then the gaiter is not going to stop enough of the virus to keep someone from getting infected.  The studies I've seen for gaiters seem to show that they are better than nothing, but they are a lot worse than a surgical or N95 mask.


It's almost as if we need to be informed about what protections certain face coverings have, then apply that knowledge to use the appropriate ones in each situations.

That is far too much critical thinking, no wonder we can't handle it.
 
2020-10-21 1:09:05 PM  
2 votes:
There's an argument to be made it's better then nothing at all. However that being said a proper mask is better.
 
2020-10-21 12:35:24 PM  
2 votes:

NikolaiFarkoff: I have a Mission-branded cooling towel and it's FAR thicker than their neck gaiters. I can't even believe neck gaiters got popular in the first place. Maybe my nose isn't ramp-shaped enough, but the MF things never stay on my face for more than 30 seconds. I've tried 10+ designs since Covid started and I keep coming back to either N95 for max effectiveness or plain surgical masks for max comfort.

Not to mention $20 for essentially the same amount and type of material as in a pair of synthetic boxers. In another reality, this would be War Profiteering.


I usually use a neck gaiter with pocket for an N95 filter (and with an N95 filter in that pocket).  Regular masks hurt my ears after a while, what can I say?

/you can get them a lot cheaper than $20 if you look
//just bought a pack of 3 with filters for $15
 
2020-10-21 8:22:46 PM  
1 vote:

p51d007: TheDirtyNacho: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: TheDirtyNacho: p51d007: ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.

This isn't remotely true but you do you

15 year old account suddenly starts posting again.

You know what to do.


Fix the cable?


I'm on here all the time.
Plus, there is a CDC that shows the majority of sick/fatalities had worn masks all the time.

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/​new-cdc-study-finds-majority-of-those-​infected-with-covid-19-always-wore-mas​ks/


1) No, they SAID they did. Which is in no way the sort of thing that someone who just suffered through weeks of crippling misery would convince themselves of, because most people are honest with themselves and others about accepting that the world is not just and definitely won't choose self-comforting lies over the hard truth.
2) You should stop trying to push this lie because, as the pdf itself states, the two groups were EXTREMELY self-selected.

And in any case, yes we know that only a fitted N95 is likely to keep the unmasked disease rat next to you from infecting you via inhalation because - shocker - air is very good at sneaking around the edges of things that aren't fitted N95s. And even if you prevent inhalation, that leaves the eyes and fingers wide open.

It's almost enough to make you sit down and think to yourself, "huh, we can eliminate *all* of those threats at once if we just keep the droplets from going out into the air in the first place... but how?"
 
2020-10-21 5:04:08 PM  
1 vote:

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: TheDirtyNacho: p51d007: ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.

This isn't remotely true but you do you

15 year old account suddenly starts posting again.

You know what to do.



Fix the cable?
 
2020-10-21 4:16:49 PM  
1 vote:

Billy Liar: Gaiters are just highfalutin' dickeys.


has anyone tested the efficacy of a cravat?
 
2020-10-21 3:41:59 PM  
1 vote:

p51d007: ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.


Seriously, all the information is out there and has been out there for months and months now.  How are you still this completely ignorant?
 
2020-10-21 3:18:08 PM  
1 vote:

TheDirtyNacho: p51d007: ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.

This isn't remotely true but you do you


15 year old account suddenly starts posting again.

You know what to do.
 
2020-10-21 2:27:15 PM  
1 vote:
ANY mask, short of a full on mask respirator, is about as effective as your underwear, stopping a fart.
 
2020-10-21 2:07:31 PM  
1 vote:

warrenn: Pretty much any face covering will help impede droplets, but there will be a big difference in efficiency depending on what the mask is made of.  That's where I think a lot of the confusion in the general public comes from.  There is an assumption that all face coverings are basically the same.

A gaiter is going to provide just minimal protection because the fabric is thin, stretchy, and has relatively large holes.  That level of protection is likely sufficient in areas where there is low risk and low virus density, such as in outdoor locations.  But in areas where there is going to be a higher viral load, like an indoor office, then the gaiter is not going to stop enough of the virus to keep someone from getting infected.  The studies I've seen for gaiters seem to show that they are better than nothing, but they are a lot worse than a surgical or N95 mask.


There was a study a couple of months back that said that a "neck fleece" (which I assumed was a neck gaitor made from polar fleece or similar material) resulted in changing the larger droplets into an aerosol that remained in the air for much longer than no mask at all.  So in an indoor space, under some conditions (coughing in a higher traffic area, but when no one was actually nearby at the time of the cough) it might be *worse* than no mask.

Which I suspect is why a gaitor company had to fund a study showing that they were okay.

And the general concept of the gaitor seemed to go against much of the other advice for masks -- natural fabrics (due to the varied distribution of fiber size), non-stretch, and multiple layers.  If you're using one with a filter pocket (and it actually has a filter, preferably non-woven), or it's to hold another mask down, that's probably okay ... but it's important to know that they really might cause problems if someone infected is wearing one.I have no idea if there have been studies to show how well they protect the wearer ... are they like the masks with valves, where at least it still protects you?
 
2020-10-21 1:08:02 PM  
1 vote:
I use iodized salt.
 
2020-10-21 12:56:19 PM  
1 vote:

Hickory-smoked: I read that as neck goiter


Good to know I'm not alone.

/I gotta see an optometrist.
 
2020-10-21 12:52:33 PM  
1 vote:
There must be some kind of way out of here said the joker to the thief
 
2020-10-21 12:31:00 PM  
1 vote:

NikolaiFarkoff: I have a Mission-branded cooling towel and it's FAR thicker than their neck gaiters. I can't even believe neck gaiters got popular in the first place. Maybe my nose isn't ramp-shaped enough, but the MF things never stay on my face for more than 30 seconds. I've tried 10+ designs since Covid started and I keep coming back to either N95 for max effectiveness or plain surgical masks for max comfort.

Not to mention $20 for essentially the same amount and type of material as in a pair of synthetic boxers. In another reality, this would be War Profiteering.


I've got some Mission ones and double folding is the way to go. It never stayed up with just putting it on without folding.

At the driving range it stayed up without any issues, where my mask was falling down constantly.

But I still wouldn't wear it, even with the double folding, in spots like the grocery store where I am indoors coming in close contact with more people.
 
2020-10-21 11:56:56 AM  
1 vote:
I knew a guy who used a neck gaiter to cover up his neck goiter.
 
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