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2020-10-21 10:56:26 AM  

Skleenar: EyeballKid: And this is what will happen every time someone tries to push Biden left.

Or, go the fark out and campaign for a progressive, like I did last night.

But, sure, of course going on fark.com and moaning that democrats are just as bad, if not worse than trump will certainly fix things.


Sorry, my campaigning for a progressive was cut short when out-of-state donors, probably the same ones who've helped Dianne Feinstein stay in power, decided an empty uniform with no legislative experience was more suited to defeat Mitch McConnell than a black progressive with actual legislative experience for, *ahem*, reasons.

But you can phone bank for me this go-round, you still got so much faith in a self-styled opposition party that hasn't done shiat.
 
2020-10-21 10:56:50 AM  
I think we've all learned by now that impeachment only works when the opposition party controls the senate.
 
2020-10-21 10:57:51 AM  

Animatronik: Progressives have a clever cunning plan
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Really?
 
2020-10-21 10:58:09 AM  

MechaPyx: Which, I think, should give Dems the leverage to impeach and remove her even if she's confirmed. Broke the rules to appoint a judge? The process is declared null and void.


Let's pretend that argument actually holds water.

They are, at absolute pie-in-the-sky best, going to have 55 seats.

Then let's pretend they make DC and PR states on day 1, and immediately get 4 more.

They're still 11 votes short even if every Democrat goes along with it.
 
2020-10-21 10:58:20 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: ElwoodCuse: TheMysteriousStranger: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.

Sure it does.

The Senate makes its own rules. It does so by majority vote and can change them by majority vote.

And as it stands now and indeed for your entire life, the leadership decides what goes to the floor and when unless some rule forces their hand. And all those exceptions will require Republican votes. The Republicans don't have to put anything on the floor that they don't want to. Just ask Merrick Garland.

the article specifically says making them change the rules to go through with the vote anyway would be a good thing too

There is no filibuster on rules changes. They can change the rules faster than the House can go through impeachment hearings at the judicial committee which they will have to do unless they too vote on rules changes. They will probably have to limit debate too as the clock is running.


no shiat. the point is *making them do it*
 
2020-10-21 10:59:50 AM  

lilbjorn: For the life of me I don't understand why this hasn't happened yet.


You are so close to realizing something so important. Keep going.
 
2020-10-21 11:03:38 AM  

Somacandra: Sophont: king of vegas: bluejeansonfire: Yeah. I'm sure the Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open this whole time and let their most senior members continue to hug fascists and hand them victories are definitely the same people who will jump right on impeaching the man who once taunted them to bring their handcuffs. /s

Did everyone forget about the concentration camps that are still open?

What would you like the Democrats to have done? Do you think that if Biden wins that he won't do anything?

Maybe you're just a troll. Or maybe you're Fark Independent (tm).

The answer, as ever, is to not fund farking concentration camps. Full stop.
You're Vichy frenching fascist boot leather if you suggest there's any other alternative.

And no, Biden has made no indication that he's going to do anything about the camps besides noncommital poltician speak. He could simply run on "CLOSE THE CAMPS", but Democrats never met a simple, impactful slogan that they wouldn't eviscerate into noncommital politican speak.

No political party in the US can run on a platform of "stop kicking POC around" and win. It doesn't motivate enough white people in the right geographical areas to take over the Senate.


It's possible to run on other things at the same time as taking a stand for what is right. But like I said, Democrats never met a simple, impactful slogan they won't eviscerate into noncommital politician speak. With the addendum, to avoid scaring white people who will never vote for them.
 
2020-10-21 11:04:39 AM  

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user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Dude, I don't even OWN a saxophone anymore...


I traded my big-ass shield for a 1999 Toyota Tacoma in 2014.
 
2020-10-21 11:05:49 AM  

BMFPitt: MechaPyx: Which, I think, should give Dems the leverage to impeach and remove her even if she's confirmed. Broke the rules to appoint a judge? The process is declared null and void.

Let's pretend that argument actually holds water.

They are, at absolute pie-in-the-sky best, going to have 55 seats.

Then let's pretend they make DC and PR states on day 1, and immediately get 4 more.

They're still 11 votes short even if every Democrat goes along with it.


This. Impeachment isn't the right tool in the toolbox. ACB and all of the crazies at the appellate level are here to stay.

The question is: given that they're here to stay, how do you minimize their influence? How do you take steps to prevent a situation where SCOTUS is wildly unreflective of the country as a whole? Luckily, those things *do* have legislative fixes.
 
2020-10-21 11:06:30 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: webron: AdmirableSnackbar: bluejeansonfire: Yeah. I'm sure the Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open this whole time and let their most senior members continue to hug fascists and hand them victories are definitely the same people who will jump right on impeaching the man who once taunted them to bring their handcuffs. /s

Did everyone forget about the concentration camps that are still open?

Hell, we found out about forced hysterectomies and even the most ardent "Still with her!" accounts and politicians haven't said peep about it, much less taken any action.

Why won't those lousy democrats stop the republicans!  Oh wait, they can't.  The GOP controls the judiciary, the senate and the White House.  They can hold hearings after hearings.  But it won't get anything done.  The public at large doesn't care.  So shame on us as a country.  But showing everyone how weakness of the democrats' position won't help anything.

But keep trying to fracture the democrats, I'm sure Trump, McConnell  and Putin would thank you.

You don't get to tell me I'm trying to fracture the Democrats while also telling me the Democrats were right to vote to fund concentration camps and are right to have done nothing about any of it for the last year. The Democrats are obviously united in their support for the camps and the human rights violations occurring in them, and they have your full support, too.

And since I'm not on board with those things, I'm not a Democrat.


A-f*cking-men.

"If you criticize Democrats for throwing in the towel on concentration camps, you're just some sort of saboteur and you're what's REALLY wrong with America and you don't count as a liberal" has got to be some of the most sickening sh*t ever typed with a straight face on this site.

How on earth do you FarkDems think you have any reason or standing to demand support from people when you type sh*t like that.

Seriously, go join the Republican party. Most of you here are in denial about who they really are. Just get it over with and go be the Republicans you truly are, since concentration camps seem like just a "oopsie" to you instead of the horrific tipping point that it is to any sane and rational human who still gives a damn.
 
2020-10-21 11:06:42 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: king of vegas: I think seeing her get confirmed will be the best selling point to get the apathetic and third-party voters to see the consequences and your for Biden.

Why would apathetic or third-party people be interested in voting for a party who lets the other political party walk all over them without so much as a word of dissent?


Because they desperately want it to be true, and it theoretically lets them get more votes without having to do anything for anyone.
 
2020-10-21 11:07:01 AM  

Sophont: It's possible to run on other things at the same time as taking a stand for what is right. But like I said, Democrats never met a simple, impactful slogan they won't eviscerate into noncommital politician speak. With the addendum, to avoid scaring white people who will never vote for them.


It took Democrats years just to be able to say "Black Lives Matter" and it's going to take them another decade or so to back policy that aligns with the idea there. Just like they're on board with saying "healthcare is a human right" because it's easy to say, even if they don't mean a single word of it. And it's why they have been working to put a stop to the anti-police protests ever since "defund the police" became a thing, they can't have something silly like good policy ideas getting in the way of what their donors want.
 
2020-10-21 11:07:59 AM  

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I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Dude, I don't even OWN a saxophone anymore...

Sadly I have also parted from my beloved '73 Nova as well.


I'm on my 4th career since this party started.
 
2020-10-21 11:08:12 AM  

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I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Dude, I don't even OWN a saxophone anymore...

I sold mine for drug money in college.


fwiw, Charlie Parker did the same thing, LOTS of times.
 
2020-10-21 11:12:58 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: *screams in Hillary just wasn't inspiring*


Every time you people make this confirmation about some mythical "protest vote" boogeyman that exists only in your head, I will remind you of all the people who actually had a documented effect on the results of 2016.

- Republican voters
- White people, specifically white women
- Rich people
- Old people
- James Comey thumbing the scale in the 9th inning
- Hillary Clinton being a bad candidate with ample baggage

These people actually exist, unlike the Protest Voter Who Decided The Entire Election who frolics with jackalopes in your fever dreams.
 
2020-10-21 11:14:21 AM  

EyeballKid: Skleenar: EyeballKid: And this is what will happen every time someone tries to push Biden left.

Or, go the fark out and campaign for a progressive, like I did last night.

But, sure, of course going on fark.com and moaning that democrats are just as bad, if not worse than trump will certainly fix things.

Sorry, my campaigning for a progressive was cut short when out-of-state donors, probably the same ones who've helped Dianne Feinstein stay in power, decided an empty uniform with no legislative experience was more suited to defeat Mitch McConnell than a black progressive with actual legislative experience for, *ahem*, reasons.

But you can phone bank for me this go-round, you still got so much faith in a self-styled opposition party that hasn't done shiat.


Weird.  But you are aware you can phone bank, as I did, for candidates in OTHER districts?  I mean, it's really quite easy.

But, no, probably better to spend your time on fark dot com tearing down the only current possible power structure to challenge Donald Trump and his fascist GOP enablers.  I mean, it's what any patriot would do.
 
2020-10-21 11:14:49 AM  

SplittingAces: Snacked in three, with Bluejeans and Eyeball kickers. Thread is now officially worthless.


Oh sorry, I forget I'm intruding on your valuable time spent treating Mr. Vote From The Rooftops like a temporarily-embarrassed paragon of truth and reasonable discussion.
 
2020-10-21 11:19:29 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Seriously, go join the Republican party. Most of you here are in denial about who they really are. Just get it over with and go be the Republicans you truly are, since concentration camps seem like just a "oopsie" to you instead of the horrific tipping point that it is to any sane and rational human who still gives a damn.


Yes, all of us who think the better strategic move is to actually use the current existing power base to enact change, as frustratingly incremental or a slow as it may be, are actually cheering on concentration camps and love fascism.

I mean, I'm not going to make a BIG deal about how you are doing to others exactly what you, in your same quote, are claiming THEY are doing to you.  But I am going to point it out.
 
2020-10-21 11:22:51 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Sophont: It's possible to run on other things at the same time as taking a stand for what is right. But like I said, Democrats never met a simple, impactful slogan they won't eviscerate into noncommital politician speak. With the addendum, to avoid scaring white people who will never vote for them.

It took Democrats years just to be able to say "Black Lives Matter" and it's going to take them another decade or so to back policy that aligns with the idea there. Just like they're on board with saying "healthcare is a human right" because it's easy to say, even if they don't mean a single word of it. And it's why they have been working to put a stop to the anti-police protests ever since "defund the police" became a thing, they can't have something silly like good policy ideas getting in the way of what their donors want.


Go phone bank for a progressive Dem, then.  Get the people who believe what you believe into positions of power.  Tip the power balance in favor of the direction you want to see.  Find one who rejects PACs or corporate donations.

Or, go to fark.dot.com and biatch about Pelosi.

Either one.  One of them is more like self-congratulatory mental masturbation than the other.  You can decide which.
 
2020-10-21 11:25:12 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Seriously, go join the Republican party. Most of you here are in denial about who they really are.


Fark centrists think the Republican Party is only for mustache-twirling billionaires, poor hillbillies, or evangelicals. And since they are Better Than Those People but Obviously Not Billionaires, they have to bring their conservative beliefs to the Democratic Party.
 
2020-10-21 11:25:27 AM  

king of vegas: durbnpoisn: There are 2 reasons they should absolutely do this:

1. Barr should be impeached because he has proven over and over again that he needs to be impeached.
2. It would delay Barrett's confirmation.

Considering that the majority of the country wants both of these things to happen, I really cannot imagine why the FARK they won't do it.

I mean c'mon, man...  The GOP is planning on subverting the will of the majority.  And they are going to do everything in their power to do just that.  So why they FARK won't the Democrats do something to block it?!

This IS the time.  The election is basically well underway.  They can't be concerned about this being a political move that might affect it.

Goddammit, Democrats! DO IT!!  Farking DO IT!!

I think seeing her get confirmed will be the best selling point to get the apathetic and third-party voters to see the consequences and your for Biden.

Hopefully we can expand the SCOTUS to 15 or something if we have a blue wave.


The vote is well underway.  Some 26M people have voted already.  That's a clean 10% of the voting population.  I believe I speak the truth when I say that's unprecedented.  And it also means that most of this country has already made up their minds.

Just the fact that the GOP has tried so hard to ram this judge through made their point.  Confirming her is just letting them win.  And it's not going to change the minds of anyone.  The GOP did the damage already.

So I disagree that it is helpful in ANY way to actually let them finish this process.  The Dems should do anything in their power to halt it.  And then rub their farking noses in in like a dog that shiat on the carpet.
 
2020-10-21 11:28:36 AM  

Metastatic Capricorn: Tarl3k: SVC_conservative: vudukungfu: SVC_conservative: [media1.tenor.com image 498x275] [View Full Size image _x_]

user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Is this where we childishly compare account ages...because a username like yours is almost reprehensible today...

My original account, sinanju, is from 2005 and has 33 greens on it. I switched when I lost a brother to a glioblastoma... hence the new name.


Respect
 
2020-10-21 11:28:54 AM  

Skleenar: AdmirableSnackbar: Sophont: It's possible to run on other things at the same time as taking a stand for what is right. But like I said, Democrats never met a simple, impactful slogan they won't eviscerate into noncommital politician speak. With the addendum, to avoid scaring white people who will never vote for them.

It took Democrats years just to be able to say "Black Lives Matter" and it's going to take them another decade or so to back policy that aligns with the idea there. Just like they're on board with saying "healthcare is a human right" because it's easy to say, even if they don't mean a single word of it. And it's why they have been working to put a stop to the anti-police protests ever since "defund the police" became a thing, they can't have something silly like good policy ideas getting in the way of what their donors want.

Go phone bank for a progressive Dem, then.  Get the people who believe what you believe into positions of power.  Tip the power balance in favor of the direction you want to see.  Find one who rejects PACs or corporate donations.

Or, go to fark.dot.com and biatch about Pelosi.

Either one.  One of them is more like self-congratulatory mental masturbation than the other.  You can decide which.


The time to phone bank for progressives was the primary, not the general. I'm still donating and helping progressives candidates now, too, so thanks for the condescending attitude, that's really going to get me to be excited about helping Democrats in leadership who want nothing that I want.
 
2020-10-21 11:34:20 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: so thanks for the condescending attitude,


Lol.  I learned it from YOU, Dad!

And believe it or not, there are progressives to phone bank for in this election.

But, of course, calling Democrats fascists on www.fark.dot.com is a quicker endorphin rush, so that's cool, too.
 
2020-10-21 11:37:14 AM  

bluejeansonfire: A-f*cking-men.

"If you criticize Democrats for throwing in the towel on concentration camps, you're just some sort of saboteur and you're what's REALLY wrong with America and you don't count as a liberal" has got to be some of the most sickening sh*t ever typed with a straight face on this site.

How on earth do you FarkDems think you have any reason or standing to demand support from people when you type sh*t like that.

Seriously, go join the Republican party. Most of you here are in denial about who they really are. Just get it over with and go be the Republicans you truly are, since concentration camps seem like just a "oopsie" to you instead of the horrific tipping point that it is to any sane and rational human who still gives a damn.


Seems like alot of these FarkDems are already part of the Republican party, especially since they use Republican talking points to put down Progressive ideas such as Single-payer healthcare: "We don't know how to pay for it." and "Sanders' plan will cause people to lose their health insurance!"; Black Lives Matter: "They're just not protesting 'The Right Way'."; Minimum Wage: "It's unfair to have a fast food worker making the same wage as an EMT!"; and other progressive ideas, many of which are successfully implemented in other industrialized countries! While at the same time, trying to convince us that Biden is the "Most progressive presidential candidate in history." I refuse to drink the Centrist/Conservative Democrats' cyanide laced Flavor-Aid drink!
 
2020-10-21 11:39:34 AM  

Somacandra: Chthonic Echoes: If your primary goal is to throw a wrench into the Senate, go for the throat. Impeach McConnell.

You can't impeach a Senator. The Constitution does not work that way.


It seems like an open question whether the Constitution works at all, at this point.
 
2020-10-21 11:41:18 AM  

Skleenar: AdmirableSnackbar: so thanks for the condescending attitude,

Lol.  I learned it from YOU, Dad!

And believe it or not, there are progressives to phone bank for in this election.

But, of course, calling Democrats fascists on www.fark.dot.com is a quicker endorphin rush, so that's cool, too.


Yes and until Democrats start supporting good ideas those progressive candidates will get my money only, not my time phone banking. Plus, if you haven't noticed I'm not exactly a people person, do you really want me on the phone trying to convince a conservative Democrat that they're wrong to not support a progressive?
 
2020-10-21 11:43:05 AM  
NO.

Even assuming that the House got it's shiat together quickly enough to submit articles of impeachment, the Senate could (and would) summarily dismiss with a majority vote.
 
2020-10-21 11:44:16 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Skleenar: AdmirableSnackbar: so thanks for the condescending attitude,

Lol.  I learned it from YOU, Dad!

And believe it or not, there are progressives to phone bank for in this election.

But, of course, calling Democrats fascists on www.fark.dot.com is a quicker endorphin rush, so that's cool, too.

Yes and until Democrats start supporting good ideas those progressive candidates will get my money only, not my time phone banking. Plus, if you haven't noticed I'm not exactly a people person, do you really want me on the phone trying to convince a conservative Democrat that they're wrong to not support a progressive?


I do! Plus record it so I can hear your angry rant while the conservative Democrat whines out another Republican talking point in an attempt to deflect criticism!
 
2020-10-21 11:45:13 AM  

Chthonic Echoes: Somacandra: Chthonic Echoes: If your primary goal is to throw a wrench into the Senate, go for the throat. Impeach McConnell.

You can't impeach a Senator. The Constitution does not work that way.

It seems like an open question whether the Constitution works at all, at this point.


Don't worry, I recall most states having another option.
 
2020-10-21 11:47:21 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope:

Seems like alot of these FarkDems are already part of the Republican party, especially since they use Republican talking points to put down Progressive ideas such as Single-payer healthcare: "We don't know how to pay for it." and "Sanders' plan will cause people to lose their health insurance!"; Black Lives Matter: "They're just not protesting 'The Right Way'."; Minimum Wage: "It's unfair to have a fast food worker making the same wage as an EMT!"; and other progressive ideas, many of which are successfully implemented in other industrialized countries! While at the same time, trying to convince us that Biden is the "Most progressive presidential candidate in history." I refuse to drink the Centrist/Conservative Democrats' cyanide laced Flavor-Aid drink!


Where are these people saying these things?  Are you going to the same Fark.com I am?

Because, it kind of just seems that you are making up shiat to drive a wedge in the opposition to the GOP.  But that would of course be too cynical for a anonymous poster on an internet discussion site.
 
2020-10-21 11:53:51 AM  

Albino Squid: The question is: given that they're here to stay, how do you minimize their influence? How do you take steps to prevent a situation where SCOTUS is wildly unreflective of the country as a whole? Luckily, those things *do* have legislative fixes.


The problem with court packing is it's guaranteed to become an arms race that destroys the court.

The only way to do it is to increase the number to 25, effective in 2022.  Then pass an amendment limiting the number to 11, and adding reforms about confirmation.
 
2020-10-21 11:56:19 AM  

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user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.


Tell me about it...
 
2020-10-21 12:01:21 PM  

Skleenar: the only current possible power structure to challenge Donald Trump and his fascist GOP enablers.


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Oh, you mean this woman's party?
 
2020-10-21 12:06:18 PM  

EyeballKid: Oh, you mean this woman's party?


That was some weak-ass bullshiat from DiFi. Yes.
Not sure where I was on record saying there is no room for improvement in the Democratic party, or that the leadership is perfect, tho.

Or that there are no frustrations in the tactic I advocate.
 
2020-10-21 12:06:33 PM  
And as a rebuttal, he acquiesces to Trump and announces charges against Biden causing a massive election upset.

Yeah, don't tempt the beast.

Horrendously dumb idea.
 
2020-10-21 12:06:50 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Barrett's confirmation is a foregone conclusion.
Impeaching Barr
1) would  be a waste of time.  The Senate doesn't have the votes.
2) would be seen as politically motivated at this point in the election
3) might unify Republican voters at the polls

4) would only delay confirmation by a week. Maybe.

ACB is going to be confirmed. The Supreme Court is lost for now.  Get through the election, and hopefully the Democrats will control the White House and Congress. Then we'll see what they have in store for the Judicial Branch.


Remember when Fark ProgressivesTM demanded Trump be impeached ASAP because, goddammit, we had to do it and it was going to make a huge difference?  Well, that was less than a year ago and I think it's safe to say not a single mind was changed by the impeachment.  So now the subject has come again except this time around, there's a chance it may hurt the Dems chances of getting elected by making a blatantly partisan move this close to the election.  No one has any doubt to the outcome, just as no one doubts that Mitch can simply change the Senate rules today and just ignore any impeachment.  But the chance to hurt the Democrats has got Fark ProgressivesTM here salivating like never before.  Gee, why might that be?
 
2020-10-21 12:09:55 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: do you really want me on the phone trying to convince a conservative Democrat that they're wrong to not support a progressive?


That's kind of not how phone banking really works.  If you're trying to change someone's mind, you've wasted your time.  Mostly your successes are from spurring otherwise uncommitted voters to vote, or getting commitments simply because you asked for their vote.  Or even telling people how to vote.

Convincing partisans is useless and a waste of time.
 
2020-10-21 12:12:34 PM  

Skleenar: DarkSoulNoHope:

Seems like alot of these FarkDems are already part of the Republican party, especially since they use Republican talking points to put down Progressive ideas such as Single-payer healthcare: "We don't know how to pay for it." and "Sanders' plan will cause people to lose their health insurance!"; Black Lives Matter: "They're just not protesting 'The Right Way'."; Minimum Wage: "It's unfair to have a fast food worker making the same wage as an EMT!"; and other progressive ideas, many of which are successfully implemented in other industrialized countries! While at the same time, trying to convince us that Biden is the "Most progressive presidential candidate in history." I refuse to drink the Centrist/Conservative Democrats' cyanide laced Flavor-Aid drink!

Where are these people saying these things?  Are you going to the same Fark.com I am?

Because, it kind of just seems that you are making up shiat to drive a wedge in the opposition to the GOP. But that would of course be too cynical for a anonymous poster on an internet discussion site.


Ding ding ding!  There are more than a few disingenuous posters here.  They tend to cluster in threads like this one where they can bash Democrats under the guise of deep deep concern.
 
2020-10-21 12:14:52 PM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: SVC_conservative: vudukungfu: SVC_conservative: [media1.tenor.com image 498x275] [View Full Size image _x_]

user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Dude, I don't even OWN a saxophone anymore...


Some things are also not as private as they used to be...
 
2020-10-21 12:18:24 PM  

Skleenar: Convincing partisans is useless and a waste of time.


No shiat. That's why Democrats hate me.
 
2020-10-21 12:22:35 PM  

lilbjorn: For the life of me I don't understand why this hasn't happened yet.


Well, it would be against long standing customs.  And if the Dems did this, well then the GOP might turn it atomic at some other date, so they need to sit back and do nothing to not anger the beast.
 
2020-10-21 12:24:25 PM  

Skleenar: DarkSoulNoHope:

Seems like alot of these FarkDems are already part of the Republican party, especially since they use Republican talking points to put down Progressive ideas such as Single-payer healthcare: "We don't know how to pay for it." and "Sanders' plan will cause people to lose their health insurance!"; Black Lives Matter: "They're just not protesting 'The Right Way'."; Minimum Wage: "It's unfair to have a fast food worker making the same wage as an EMT!"; and other progressive ideas, many of which are successfully implemented in other industrialized countries! While at the same time, trying to convince us that Biden is the "Most progressive presidential candidate in history." I refuse to drink the Centrist/Conservative Democrats' cyanide laced Flavor-Aid drink!

Where are these people saying these things?  Are you going to the same Fark.com I am?

Because, it kind of just seems that you are making up shiat to drive a wedge in the opposition to the GOP.  But that would of course be too cynical for a anonymous poster on an internet discussion site.


Well, like udhq claiming that pushing for Single-Payer Healthcare would be "eliminating our civic institutions": https://www.fark.com/c​omments/10912463​/128586231#c128586231

Or Kazan trying to convince us that Biden is left wing and not the Democratic Conservative shown per his Senate voting history: "He's always been much further left than a lot of people want to portray him as being.": https://www.fark.com/comment​s/10814649​/127135007#c127135007

Or Hillary herself saying Single-Payer Healthcare will "Never, ever happen" - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillar​y-c​linton-single-payer-health-care-will-n​ever-ever-happen/
 
2020-10-21 12:24:31 PM  

BMFPitt: MechaPyx: Which, I think, should give Dems the leverage to impeach and remove her even if she's confirmed. Broke the rules to appoint a judge? The process is declared null and void.

Let's pretend that argument actually holds water.

They are, at absolute pie-in-the-sky best, going to have 55 seats.

Then let's pretend they make DC and PR states on day 1, and immediately get 4 more.

They're still 11 votes short even if every Democrat goes along with it.


Which they won't because Democrats.

Also, wouldn't they also need 2/3 for statehoods? Not sure, but I suspect that can't happen either.
 
2020-10-21 12:31:36 PM  

quatchi: Could?
Should?
Yes.
Will?
Aye, there's the rub.
The GOP are lawless and Mitch DGAF.


Honestly it might be the dumbest thing the DNC could push for at this point
 
2020-10-21 12:36:02 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Skleenar: DarkSoulNoHope:

Seems like alot of these FarkDems are already part of the Republican party, especially since they use Republican talking points to put down Progressive ideas such as Single-payer healthcare: "We don't know how to pay for it." and "Sanders' plan will cause people to lose their health insurance!"; Black Lives Matter: "They're just not protesting 'The Right Way'."; Minimum Wage: "It's unfair to have a fast food worker making the same wage as an EMT!"; and other progressive ideas, many of which are successfully implemented in other industrialized countries! While at the same time, trying to convince us that Biden is the "Most progressive presidential candidate in history." I refuse to drink the Centrist/Conservative Democrats' cyanide laced Flavor-Aid drink!

Where are these people saying these things?  Are you going to the same Fark.com I am?

Because, it kind of just seems that you are making up shiat to drive a wedge in the opposition to the GOP.  But that would of course be too cynical for a anonymous poster on an internet discussion site.

Well, like udhq claiming that pushing for Single-Payer Healthcare would be "eliminating our civic institutions": https://www.fark.com/co​mments/10912463/128586231#c128586231

Or Kazan trying to convince us that Biden is left wing and not the Democratic Conservative shown per his Senate voting history: "He's always been much further left than a lot of people want to portray him as being.": https://www.fark.com/comments​/10814649/127135007#c127135007

Or Hillary herself saying Single-Payer Healthcare will "Never, ever happen" - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary​-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will​-never-ever-happen/


your evidence is, well, unconvincing.
 
2020-10-21 12:37:14 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Also, wouldn't they also need 2/3 for statehoods? Not sure, but I suspect that can't happen either.


Simple majority.
 
2020-10-21 12:42:33 PM  

Skleenar: DarkSoulNoHope: Skleenar: DarkSoulNoHope:

Seems like alot of these FarkDems are already part of the Republican party, especially since they use Republican talking points to put down Progressive ideas such as Single-payer healthcare: "We don't know how to pay for it." and "Sanders' plan will cause people to lose their health insurance!"; Black Lives Matter: "They're just not protesting 'The Right Way'."; Minimum Wage: "It's unfair to have a fast food worker making the same wage as an EMT!"; and other progressive ideas, many of which are successfully implemented in other industrialized countries! While at the same time, trying to convince us that Biden is the "Most progressive presidential candidate in history." I refuse to drink the Centrist/Conservative Democrats' cyanide laced Flavor-Aid drink!

Where are these people saying these things?  Are you going to the same Fark.com I am?

Because, it kind of just seems that you are making up shiat to drive a wedge in the opposition to the GOP.  But that would of course be too cynical for a anonymous poster on an internet discussion site.

Well, like udhq claiming that pushing for Single-Payer Healthcare would be "eliminating our civic institutions": https://www.fark.com/co​mments/10912463/128586231#c128586231

Or Kazan trying to convince us that Biden is left wing and not the Democratic Conservative shown per his Senate voting history: "He's always been much further left than a lot of people want to portray him as being.": https://www.fark.com/comments​/10814649/127135007#c127135007

Or Hillary herself saying Single-Payer Healthcare will "Never, ever happen" - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary​-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will​-never-ever-happen/

your evidence is, well, unconvincing.


To you, not to the other Progressives here who have seen Centrist/Conservative Democrats tell us that "You're trying to make Biden lose." by pointing out faults and positions that Biden needs to correct in order not to "pull a Hillary" and lose the election (despite winning the popular vote, she still lost, no matter how many times FarkDems try to claim she "won" because more people voted for her than voted for Trump). In a more normal situation, sans Covid-19, one of those advices would be "Don't skip over states that you think are either a 'sure thing' or 'not worth your time'." because they might not be a sure thing or could still flip to you if you convince enough non-voters to get off their asses and vote because you are worth voting for!
 
2020-10-21 1:03:56 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: your evidence is, well, unconvincing.

To you, not to the other Progressives here


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I can't even find the thread of logic that made you assert this says what you purport it says.

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This is simply one person's read of Biden's record and his best guess at his motivations.

And Hillary saying single payer isn't going to happen?  That isn't her saying it shouldn't happen.  That's the (perhaps jaded) voice of someone who was brutalized trying to make it happen.

So, again, your evidence of a widespread fascist core to the moderate wing of the Democratic party is weak sauce.
 
2020-10-21 1:28:04 PM  

bluejeansonfire: KiwDaWabbit: *screams in Hillary just wasn't inspiring*

Every time you people make this confirmation about some mythical "protest vote" boogeyman that exists only in your head, I will remind you of all the people who actually had a documented effect on the results of 2016.

- Republican voters
- White people, specifically white women
- Rich people
- Old people
- James Comey thumbing the scale in the 9th inning
- Hillary Clinton being a bad candidate with ample baggage

These people actually exist, unlike the Protest Voter Who Decided The Entire Election who frolics with jackalopes in your fever dreams.


So the ninety million people who didn't vote in 2016 conceivably would not have had any type of impact on the election had they voted? Fascinating!

Lower voter turnout is great for Democrats says everyone ever!
 
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