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2020-10-21 10:16:25 AM  

A Cave Geek: AdmirableSnackbar: A Cave Geek: Barr's the only thing standing between McConnell and a life sentence.

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Had to try...lol


The scary thing is that there are people who believe it.
 
2020-10-21 10:16:45 AM  
*screams in Hillary just wasn't inspiring*
 
2020-10-21 10:17:02 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Yeah. I'm sure the Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open this whole time and let their most senior members continue to hug fascists and hand them victories are definitely the same people who will jump right on impeaching the man who once taunted them to bring their handcuffs. /s

Did everyone forget about the concentration camps that are still open?


What would you like the Democrats to have done? Do you think that if Biden wins that he won't do anything?

Maybe you're just a troll. Or maybe you're Fark Independent (tm).
 
2020-10-21 10:17:16 AM  

webron: AdmirableSnackbar: bluejeansonfire: Yeah. I'm sure the Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open this whole time and let their most senior members continue to hug fascists and hand them victories are definitely the same people who will jump right on impeaching the man who once taunted them to bring their handcuffs. /s

Did everyone forget about the concentration camps that are still open?

Hell, we found out about forced hysterectomies and even the most ardent "Still with her!" accounts and politicians haven't said peep about it, much less taken any action.

Why won't those lousy democrats stop the republicans!  Oh wait, they can't.  The GOP controls the judiciary, the senate and the White House.  They can hold hearings after hearings.  But it won't get anything done.  The public at large doesn't care.  So shame on us as a country.  But showing everyone how weakness of the democrats' position won't help anything.

But keep trying to fracture the democrats, I'm sure Trump, McConnell  and Putin would thank you.


Holding hearings after hearings would keep Republicans off the campaign trail...
 
2020-10-21 10:17:47 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: He's just not worth it, you see. Plus he's been in federal politics for decades, he's got tenure so Pelosi can't take any action against him at all.


But you are a big meanie head for pointing that out
 
2020-10-21 10:18:48 AM  
Do it. Don't talk about it, do it NOW.
 
2020-10-21 10:19:32 AM  
Snacked in three, with Bluejeans and Eyeball kickers. Thread is now officially worthless.
 
2020-10-21 10:20:09 AM  

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user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Dude, I don't even OWN a saxophone anymore...

Sadly I have also parted from my beloved '73 Nova as well.


I never went to Vacation Bible School
 
2020-10-21 10:20:23 AM  
I feel like this could backfire on the voting going on now. And Senate will still have 2 months after the election. Probably better not to mess with it.

Now if we can get a blue wave it'll be time to start impeaching Trump toadies, and packing the courts. It has to be done.
 
2020-10-21 10:20:49 AM  

SVC_conservative: vudukungfu: SVC_conservative: [media1.tenor.com image 498x275] [View Full Size image _x_]

user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.


Is this where we childishly compare account ages...because a username like yours is almost reprehensible today...
 
2020-10-21 10:21:37 AM  

king of vegas: bluejeansonfire: Yeah. I'm sure the Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open this whole time and let their most senior members continue to hug fascists and hand them victories are definitely the same people who will jump right on impeaching the man who once taunted them to bring their handcuffs. /s

Did everyone forget about the concentration camps that are still open?

What would you like the Democrats to have done? Do you think that if Biden wins that he won't do anything?

Maybe you're just a troll. Or maybe you're Fark Independent (tm).


The answer, as ever, is to not fund farking concentration camps. Full stop.
You're Vichy frenching fascist boot leather if you suggest there's any other alternative.

And no, Biden has made no indication that he's going to do anything about the camps besides noncommital poltician speak. He could simply run on "CLOSE THE CAMPS", but Democrats never met a simple, impactful slogan that they wouldn't eviscerate into noncommital politican speak.
 
2020-10-21 10:21:45 AM  
A relative's health has been going down recently....

Can't help but think they have the right idea.
 
2020-10-21 10:22:08 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.



Nothing in the government is not how it works anymore. That's the problem. None of the "rules" were actually rules with consequences. So everyone can just do whatever they want and there are literally zero consequences.
 
2020-10-21 10:22:14 AM  
Given that the Senate itself decides if and when anything goes to the floor and in what order, I'd say no. And I doubt the House could act fast enough anyways.
 
2020-10-21 10:22:23 AM  
There's a far shorter list of people in the administration or appointed by Trump who shouldn't be impeached.
 
2020-10-21 10:22:29 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.


Sure it does.
 
2020-10-21 10:22:52 AM  
why would they do that when polls now show even *democrats* have a far more favorable opinion of ACB after those disastrous hearings
 
2020-10-21 10:24:01 AM  

Tarl3k: SVC_conservative: vudukungfu: SVC_conservative: [media1.tenor.com image 498x275] [View Full Size image _x_]

user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Is this where we childishly compare account ages...because a username like yours is almost reprehensible today...


My original account, sinanju, is from 2005 and has 33 greens on it. I switched when I lost a brother to a glioblastoma... hence the new name.
 
2020-10-21 10:24:02 AM  

JerkStore: AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.


Nothing in the government is not how it works anymore. That's the problem. None of the "rules" were actually rules with consequences. So everyone can just do whatever they want and there are literally zero consequences.


Except in impeachment hearings Mitch doesn't control the schedule or the Senate. John Roberts does.

Seriously, we just did this 8 decades months ago. Mitch doesn't get to reschedule or else he would have done it then, too.
 
2020-10-21 10:24:06 AM  

gopher321: Imma gonna go with, "No".


Agreed. Don't waste the time and give those losers another talking point. Focus on winning, and winning enough seats to add 6 more justices after the election. Then Barr can be tossed under the bus ignominiously, and an investigation can be done. Remember that when Rethuglicans complain about court stacking, point to Amy and remind them: "POWER IS THE ONLY LAW!"
 
2020-10-21 10:24:54 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open


Please.  Go spread disenchantment with among the democratic base among another, more friendly website, like Stormfront or TheDonald.com
 
2020-10-21 10:24:59 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.


He can change the Senate's rules at the drop of a hat, and in any way he likes.

Changing the Standing Rules should require a 3/5 majority, which presently only applies to limiting debate. Otherwise, someone like Mitch -- who controls a majority of the Senate absolutely and doesn't have to worry about any the GOP senators leaving the flock -- can do absolutely anything.
 
2020-10-21 10:25:50 AM  

inglixthemad: gopher321: Imma gonna go with, "No".

Agreed. Don't waste the time and give those losers another talking point. Focus on winning, and winning enough seats to add 6 more justices after the election. Then Barr can be tossed under the bus ignominiously, and an investigation can be done. Remember that when Rethuglicans complain about court stacking, point to Amy and remind them: "POWER IS THE ONLY LAW!"


And then start working on a senate majority large enough to impeach the justices D2S put there.
 
2020-10-21 10:26:22 AM  

Vacation Bible School: Vacation Bible School


3 words that should at all times be held mutually exclusive.
 
2020-10-21 10:26:54 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.


It is now.  McConnell will ignore any law, any rule, any precedent to confirm Barrett.  Who's going to stop him?  "Laws" don't matter when it takes months to argue about and the person breaking them can just go ahead and do what they want and let the chips fall.
 
2020-10-21 10:28:14 AM  
Technically, yes... for at least five minutes delay, and maybe even a week.

However, the House Judiciary Committee hasn't even started to draft a bill of Impeachment, which presents a obstacle that is practically insurmountable.

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2020-10-21 10:28:48 AM  
There are 2 reasons they should absolutely do this:

1. Barr should be impeached because he has proven over and over again that he needs to be impeached.
2. It would delay Barrett's confirmation.

Considering that the majority of the country wants both of these things to happen, I really cannot imagine why the FARK they won't do it.

I mean c'mon, man...  The GOP is planning on subverting the will of the majority.  And they are going to do everything in their power to do just that.  So why they FARK won't the Democrats do something to block it?!

This IS the time.  The election is basically well underway.  They can't be concerned about this being a political move that might affect it.

Goddammit, Democrats! DO IT!!  Farking DO IT!!
 
2020-10-21 10:29:33 AM  
Can Pelosi just whip enough votes to impeach members of the Senate? That would be sure to slow down the process.  Half the Senate can be brought up on charges of insider trading.
 
2020-10-21 10:31:25 AM  
Could?
Should?
Yes.
Will?
Aye, there's the rub.
The GOP are lawless and Mitch DGAF.
 
2020-10-21 10:33:51 AM  

Mister Buttons: Why did they keep referring to it as a "charismatic group"?  You know who else was a "charismatic" group?....


The Monkees. Referenced next to you.
 
2020-10-21 10:33:53 AM  

sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.

Sure it does.


The Senate makes its own rules. It does so by majority vote and can change them by majority vote.

And as it stands now and indeed for your entire life, the leadership decides what goes to the floor and when unless some rule forces their hand. And all those exceptions will require Republican votes. The Republicans don't have to put anything on the floor that they don't want to. Just ask Merrick Garland.
 
2020-10-21 10:33:57 AM  

redonkulon: Pelosi and the Democrats might as well do that and then pull out more impeachment charges for Trump and maybe even beer bro. What downside is there? Just keep pushing impeachments out till Dec. McConnell has manipulated his power for over a decade now to pack the courts. Fark him and all the GOP. Use every possible power you have to block his corruption.


I mean, hell, not like they have anything better to do. They did their homework back in May to pass a stimulus bill that is left rotting in Moscow Turtle's "graveyard".  Best they can do is write more bills that sit there rotting until we get some new Senators that actually know how to pass legislation.

May as well impeach the farkers, at least then they're doing something.
 
2020-10-21 10:35:46 AM  

durbnpoisn: There are 2 reasons they should absolutely do this:

1. Barr should be impeached because he has proven over and over again that he needs to be impeached.
2. It would delay Barrett's confirmation.

Considering that the majority of the country wants both of these things to happen, I really cannot imagine why the FARK they won't do it.

I mean c'mon, man...  The GOP is planning on subverting the will of the majority.  And they are going to do everything in their power to do just that.  So why they FARK won't the Democrats do something to block it?!

This IS the time.  The election is basically well underway.  They can't be concerned about this being a political move that might affect it.

Goddammit, Democrats! DO IT!!  Farking DO IT!!


I think seeing her get confirmed will be the best selling point to get the apathetic and third-party voters to see the consequences and your for Biden.

Hopefully we can expand the SCOTUS to 15 or something if we have a blue wave.
 
2020-10-21 10:36:12 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.

Sure it does.

The Senate makes its own rules. It does so by majority vote and can change them by majority vote.

And as it stands now and indeed for your entire life, the leadership decides what goes to the floor and when unless some rule forces their hand. And all those exceptions will require Republican votes. The Republicans don't have to put anything on the floor that they don't want to. Just ask Merrick Garland.


the article specifically says making them change the rules to go through with the vote anyway would be a good thing too
 
2020-10-21 10:37:27 AM  
Progressives have a clever plan
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2020-10-21 10:38:25 AM  
I think it's a fantastic idea. Which means Pelosi and the House won't do it. It means playing real hardball and gritting your teeth and getting LBJ cutthroat mean. It's exactly what the Senate deserves, but Pelosi is afraid it will cost them the elections. It won't but she'll be gambling that Democrats take the Senate and eliminate the filibuster, then they can pass laws expanding the Court and nominate new ones.
 
2020-10-21 10:40:59 AM  

SplittingAces: Snacked in three, with Bluejeans and Eyeball kickers. Thread is now officially worthless.


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2020-10-21 10:42:52 AM  

Skleenar: bluejeansonfire: Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open

Please.  Go spread disenchantment with among the democratic base among another, more friendly website, like Stormfront or TheDonald.com


And this is what will happen every time someone tries to push Biden left.
 
2020-10-21 10:44:13 AM  

Sophont: king of vegas: bluejeansonfire: Yeah. I'm sure the Democrats who have let the concentration camps stay open this whole time and let their most senior members continue to hug fascists and hand them victories are definitely the same people who will jump right on impeaching the man who once taunted them to bring their handcuffs. /s

Did everyone forget about the concentration camps that are still open?

What would you like the Democrats to have done? Do you think that if Biden wins that he won't do anything?

Maybe you're just a troll. Or maybe you're Fark Independent (tm).

The answer, as ever, is to not fund farking concentration camps. Full stop.
You're Vichy frenching fascist boot leather if you suggest there's any other alternative.

And no, Biden has made no indication that he's going to do anything about the camps besides noncommital poltician speak. He could simply run on "CLOSE THE CAMPS", but Democrats never met a simple, impactful slogan that they wouldn't eviscerate into noncommital politican speak.


No political party in the US can run on a platform of "stop kicking POC around" and win. It doesn't motivate enough white people in the right geographical areas to take over the Senate.
 
2020-10-21 10:45:17 AM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: SVC_conservative: vudukungfu: SVC_conservative: [media1.tenor.com image 498x275] [View Full Size image _x_]

user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.

Dude, I don't even OWN a saxophone anymore...


I've gone bald.
 
2020-10-21 10:45:47 AM  

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user name...

I'm a much different person than I was 14 years ago, but I am not giving up that sweet sweet Fark account age.


Pffft n00b 😉
 
2020-10-21 10:46:07 AM  
Wow - lotta former sax players up in here. Interesting. Want to start a support group or...something?
 
2020-10-21 10:46:24 AM  

Chthonic Echoes: If your primary goal is to throw a wrench into the Senate, go for the throat. Impeach McConnell.


You can't impeach a Senator. The Constitution does not work that way.
 
2020-10-21 10:47:22 AM  

king of vegas: I think seeing her get confirmed will be the best selling point to get the apathetic and third-party voters to see the consequences and your for Biden.


Why would apathetic or third-party people be interested in voting for a party who lets the other political party walk all over them without so much as a word of dissent?
 
2020-10-21 10:48:27 AM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Wow - lotta former sax players up in here. Interesting. Want to start a support group or...something?


I, too, was an alto (later Bari) sax player.

My alto is now rotting (likely) in my childhood bedroom closet, one of those articles my parent's will never throw away because my kid may "use it someday"
 
2020-10-21 10:49:02 AM  

ElwoodCuse: TheMysteriousStranger: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: sleze: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does.  He can just schedule the impeachment for December.

That's not how it works.

Sure it does.

The Senate makes its own rules. It does so by majority vote and can change them by majority vote.

And as it stands now and indeed for your entire life, the leadership decides what goes to the floor and when unless some rule forces their hand. And all those exceptions will require Republican votes. The Republicans don't have to put anything on the floor that they don't want to. Just ask Merrick Garland.

the article specifically says making them change the rules to go through with the vote anyway would be a good thing too


There is no filibuster on rules changes. They can change the rules faster than the House can go through impeachment hearings at the judicial committee which they will have to do unless they too vote on rules changes. They will probably have to limit debate too as the clock is running.
 
2020-10-21 10:50:32 AM  
I mean, no. All of these "and then a miracle happens" strategies rely on Mitch McConnell simply acquiescing out of a sense of propriety or something, which means that they're hopelessly flawed. Barr's impeachment would be dealt with via a single vote, if it was dealt with at all. They've long since abandoned any fealty to Senate SOP, and sure as hell wouldn't with victory in sight.
 
2020-10-21 10:50:48 AM  

EyeballKid: And this is what will happen every time someone tries to push Biden left.


Or, go the fark out and campaign for a progressive, like I did last night.

But, sure, of course going on fark.com and moaning that democrats are just as bad, if not worse than trump will certainly fix things.
 
2020-10-21 10:54:13 AM  

Dr Dreidel: incendi: AdmirableSnackbar: koder: impeaching Attorney General Bill Barr - which would delay the confirmation vote for Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

Yeah I'm sure Moscow Mitch will give Treason Toad's acquittal top billing.

He doesn't have a choice.

Well, not according to the "rules" anyway.

Yeah, The Rules also said that Lindsay Graham couldn't hold a vote to pass Barrett's nomination out of the Judiciary Committee without at least two minority members present - wanna guess how long those rules held Graham up?


Which, I think, should give Dems the leverage to impeach and remove her even if she's confirmed. Broke the rules to appoint a judge? The process is declared null and void.
 
2020-10-21 10:55:08 AM  
Probably not, but a call to the senate building the day of the vote regarding "dangerous materials" hidden within the building would have senate security clear the vuildong for an unspecified amount of time for the search, delaying any business to be conducted that day.

I'm just saying.
 
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