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2020-10-20 8:56:02 PM  
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2020-10-20 10:27:18 PM  
It's a small crowd capacity, after all.
 
2020-10-21 1:00:47 AM  
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2020-10-21 1:38:15 AM  
No, they set guidelines for when Disneyland might be able to re-open.  It's gonna be a while until then.
 
2020-10-21 2:06:59 AM  
25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.
 
2020-10-21 2:19:05 AM  
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My Cal county isn't letting the two amusement parks in the county (Great America, Bonfonte Gardens) open just yet. Denied, Newsom.
 
2020-10-21 2:32:43 AM  

ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.


The wife had a work thing in Orange County a couple of years back so I went along with her and we brought the kids. We did a couple of days at Disneyland/California Adventure and honestly it wasn't bad at all. Not overly crowded and we could pretty much plan the day as we went.

Now Disney World on the other hand is a complete shiatshow.
 
2020-10-21 3:09:58 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.

The wife had a work thing in Orange County a couple of years back so I went along with her and we brought the kids. We did a couple of days at Disneyland/California Adventure and honestly it wasn't bad at all. Not overly crowded and we could pretty much plan the day as we went.

Now Disney World on the other hand is a complete shiatshow.


I normally hate theme parks (too crowded), but when I lived an hour away from Disney World I went once during the off season on a school day.  Low crowd numbers made the place actually kinda fun.  Never waited longer than a few minutes to get on a ride, and even got to see the end-of-day parade rather comfortably.

Opening a theme park with a forced 25% entry level is a huge selling point to me.
 
2020-10-21 3:30:25 AM  

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My Cal county isn't letting the two amusement parks in the county (Great America, Bonfonte Gardens) open just yet. Denied, Newsom.


In all fairness, Bonfante Gardens is barely a park, and offers minimal amusement to the public.
 
2020-10-21 3:33:04 AM  

FuManchu7: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.

The wife had a work thing in Orange County a couple of years back so I went along with her and we brought the kids. We did a couple of days at Disneyland/California Adventure and honestly it wasn't bad at all. Not overly crowded and we could pretty much plan the day as we went.

Now Disney World on the other hand is a complete shiatshow.

I normally hate theme parks (too crowded), but when I lived an hour away from Disney World I went once during the off season on a school day.  Low crowd numbers made the place actually kinda fun.  Never waited longer than a few minutes to get on a ride, and even got to see the end-of-day parade rather comfortably.

Opening a theme park with a forced 25% entry level is a huge selling point to me.


Theme parks at capacity are a scam.

I once went to the Parc Astérix when it was almost at capacity. Two hours wait at each of the four main attractions. I honestly felt ripped off.
 
2020-10-21 6:54:30 AM  
Sounds like this is a little too strict. It will be a while before they are allowed to reopen.
 
2020-10-21 7:30:44 AM  

ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.


Max capacity is X. Usual crowd is 0.4X.

So it isn't the huge reduction you'd think. Those were the numbers for disney world I read a couple weeks ago.

Then the rides use social distancing, so they have half the seats.

The end result is longer waits for rides.
 
2020-10-21 8:29:44 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.

The wife had a work thing in Orange County a couple of years back so I went along with her and we brought the kids. We did a couple of days at Disneyland/California Adventure and honestly it wasn't bad at all. Not overly crowded and we could pretty much plan the day as we went.

Now Disney World on the other hand is a complete shiatshow.


Really, it's just the Magic Kingdom that's a shiatshow.  Not only is it crammed full because it's the flagship for kids, it's pretty small too.

There's usually plenty of room at Animal Kingdom or Epcot because they're huge and a lot less people go.  I never need to go to Magic Kingdom again, but I have a 5 year-old and my parents live less than an hour away, so I probably will.
 
2020-10-21 8:40:00 AM  
25% capacity, 50% of rides shut down for maintenance.
 
2020-10-21 8:54:36 AM  
I would have no problem with amusement parks vanishing as part of the new normal.
They are fake fun, and they cater to nothing good in people.
In fact, they pervert people's idea of what fun is.
 
2020-10-21 9:27:45 AM  

jso2897: I would have no problem with amusement parks vanishing as part of the new normal.
They are fake fun, and they cater to nothing good in people.
In fact, they pervert people's idea of what fun is.


Curious.  What do you do for fun?
 
2020-10-21 9:42:34 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.

The wife had a work thing in Orange County a couple of years back so I went along with her and we brought the kids. We did a couple of days at Disneyland/California Adventure and honestly it wasn't bad at all. Not overly crowded and we could pretty much plan the day as we went.

Now Disney World on the other hand is a complete shiatshow.

Really, it's just the Magic Kingdom that's a shiatshow.  Not only is it crammed full because it's the flagship for kids, it's pretty small too.

There's usually plenty of room at Animal Kingdom or Epcot because they're huge and a lot less people go.  I never need to go to Magic Kingdom again, but I have a 5 year-old and my parents live less than an hour away, so I probably will.


We hit Disney world in 2016. Went in November in between halloween and Christmas. We had 3 day passes and planned to be there on weekdays, except for one day that was my daughter's birthday where we went on a Saturday. I just remember magic kingdom that day being insane. Like they had people holding up signs in major walkways reminding people to keep to the right.
Hollywood studios was nice, it reminded me of when I went to Disney Land as a kid in 1988 and you could just walk up to characters. Although I imagine that with the Star Wars and Toy Story stuff they added it is probably insane there now too.
 
2020-10-21 9:57:24 AM  
Disneyland to reopen as the 75% Less Fewer Happy Place on Earth

FTFY.

/Pet peave.
 
2020-10-21 10:02:46 AM  

jso2897: I would have no problem with amusement parks vanishing as part of the new normal.
They are fake fun, and they cater to nothing good in people.
In fact, they pervert people's idea of what fun is.


That's just as much bullshiat as the "they only THINK they are happy" claptrap.
 
2020-10-21 10:10:52 AM  

jso2897: I would have no problem with amusement parks vanishing as part of the new normal.



The "new normal" is what's going to vanish. It's ridiculous and authoritarian, and all good people should resist it completely.
 
2020-10-21 10:16:40 AM  

Thwack: No, they set guidelines for when Disneyland might be able to re-open.  It's gonna be a while until then.


My kids HS marching band is still trying to make plans for their trip to Orlando in April.  They are applying to Universal to perform because Disney isnt taking apps. That tells me they shouldn't be moving forward at all but they want "normal" now because "the kids deserve this."
 
2020-10-21 10:19:08 AM  

gretzkyscores: jso2897: I would have no problem with amusement parks vanishing as part of the new normal.


The "new normal" is what's going to vanish. It's ridiculous and authoritarian, and all good people should resist it completely.


You are a sad, lonely man and you have my pity.
 
2020-10-21 10:30:39 AM  

Thwack: No, they set guidelines for when Disneyland might be able to re-open.  It's gonna be a while until then.


Yeah. They would be able to do this safely like Disney World is now. California is just a little too authoritarian and they are slowly killing themselves from the inside with taxes and strict rules. San Francisco, for example used to be nice but now they have a homeless problem that has gotten worse in the last 30 years.
 
2020-10-21 10:34:24 AM  

kdawg7736: Thwack: No, they set guidelines for when Disneyland might be able to re-open.  It's gonna be a while until then.

Yeah. They would be able to do this safely like Disney World is now. California is just a little too authoritarian and they are slowly killing themselves from the inside with taxes and strict rules. San Francisco, for example used to be nice but now they have a homeless problem that has gotten worse in the last 30 years.


They're so authoritarian, that people without homes and money can do whatever they want?
 
2020-10-21 11:08:47 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Not only is it crammed full because it's the flagship for kids, it's pretty small too.


Which makes the experience at Disneyland even more interesting because that's even smaller.


Rapmaster2000: There's usually plenty of room at Animal Kingdom or Epcot because they're huge and a lot less people go.  I never need to go to Magic Kingdom again, but I have a 5 year-old and my parents live less than an hour away, so I probably will.


It's not just crowds in the open areas of the parks, it's also the wait times for attractions.  You're right in that EPCOT and Animal Kingdom are easier to traverse, but it still kind of sucks when there's a 2 hour long wait for a family friendly ride like Soarin' or the insane 3 hour plus wait for the Avatar ride.  Disney World is at a point (pre-pandemic at least) where to really have a decent experience you need to plan out your rides (fastpasses) and meals months ahead of time.

The same year that we had made our Disneyland trip we were also fortunate enough that my parents had wanted to take the whole family down to Disney World for one big vacation with all the grandkids.  The only things we had to pay for were our flights down and back.  It was fun being down there with the whole family.  But had I had to pay for that trip or be involved in any of the planning, I think my overall opinion of the trip would have been much different.
 
2020-10-21 11:34:46 AM  
Disneyland isnt going to open this year at all.
Orange County (where I am).. has to get to the yellow tier


and with California changing the rules almost weekly...

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2020-10-21 11:34:48 AM  
I'd bet that a place like that can't run a profit on much less than a 75% capacity daily average.
 
2020-10-21 11:50:00 AM  

Rapmaster2000: kdawg7736: Thwack: No, they set guidelines for when Disneyland might be able to re-open.  It's gonna be a while until then.

Yeah. They would be able to do this safely like Disney World is now. California is just a little too authoritarian and they are slowly killing themselves from the inside with taxes and strict rules. San Francisco, for example used to be nice but now they have a homeless problem that has gotten worse in the last 30 years.

They're so authoritarian, that people without homes and money can do whatever they want?


That's pretty much true anywhere.

If you're not part of the system, the system has very little control over you.   And if they're not willing to extend their reach to you, you can pretty much do whatever you want.

If, on the other hand, you own property and do business and have a car or anything else they don't like (like a gun), then yeah, they absolutely have the power to make you miserable, and if you have enough, to punish you for having too much.
 
2020-10-21 11:52:39 AM  

PvtStash: I'd bet that a place like that can't run a profit on much less than a 75% capacity daily average.


I'd take that bet. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbu​siness.com/lifestyle/is-disney-world-r​eally-operating-at-25-capacity.amp
 
2020-10-21 12:01:24 PM  

dittybopper: If, on the other hand, you own property and do business and have a car or anything else they don't like (like a gun), then yeah, they absolutely have the power to make you miserable, and if you have enough, to punish you for having too much.


Uh, except for certain assault weapons you don't have to register your gun in Caiifornia nor I think any other state.

How can they make you miserable, they don't even know you own it.
 
2020-10-21 12:17:53 PM  

jso2897: I would have no problem with amusement parks vanishing as part of the new normal.
They are fake fun, and they cater to nothing good in people.
In fact, they pervert people's idea of what fun is.


wut?
 
2020-10-21 1:28:59 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: dittybopper: If, on the other hand, you own property and do business and have a car or anything else they don't like (like a gun), then yeah, they absolutely have the power to make you miserable, and if you have enough, to punish you for having too much.

Uh, except for certain assault weapons you don't have to register your gun in Caiifornia nor I think any other state.

How can they make you miserable, they don't even know you own it.


Gun nerds have this fantasy that nobody in Cali has guns.  They don't realize that most of California resembles Oklahoma.
 
2020-10-21 1:36:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pats_Cloth_Coat: dittybopper: If, on the other hand, you own property and do business and have a car or anything else they don't like (like a gun), then yeah, they absolutely have the power to make you miserable, and if you have enough, to punish you for having too much.

Uh, except for certain assault weapons you don't have to register your gun in Caiifornia nor I think any other state.

How can they make you miserable, they don't even know you own it.

Gun nerds have this fantasy that nobody in Cali has guns.  They don't realize that most of California resembles Oklahoma.


Ah, the Central Valley. We all try to forget it exists
 
2020-10-21 1:51:17 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: dittybopper: If, on the other hand, you own property and do business and have a car or anything else they don't like (like a gun), then yeah, they absolutely have the power to make you miserable, and if you have enough, to punish you for having too much.

Uh, except for certain assault weapons you don't have to register your gun in Caiifornia nor I think any other state.

How can they make you miserable, they don't even know you own it.


Actually, yes, you do have to register every single farkin' gun you own in California.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law​s​_in_the_United_States_by_state#Califor​nia

The California Department of Justice ("DOJ") retains information about the purchaser and seller of all in-state firearm sales and transfers, and requires that any firearms imported into the state be reported to the DOJ.[15] Furthermore, the Attorney General is required by law to maintain a registry containing the fingerprints and identifying information of the transferee, and the unique identifying information of every firearm transferred in the state, pursuant to §11106.[16] All handgun serial numbers and sales are recorded by the state in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System, along with those of many long guns. While there is no requirement for California residents to register handguns owned prior to 1991 with law enforcement, §12025 and §12031 enhance several misdemeanor offenses to felonies if the handgun is not on file in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System. New residents must register handguns (purchased outside of California) with DOJ within 60 days. As of January 1, 2014, long gun serial numbers are also recorded, whereas previously only the sale was recorded. However, it is not required that owners of long guns purchased prior to 2014 register their firearms and it is not a crime to be in possession of an unregistered firearm.


The only exceptions are for handguns owned prior to 1991, and for long guns (rifles and shotguns) owned before 2014.

Plus, you've got a mandatory 10 day waiting period for all gun transfers, even if you already own a gun. Want to buy a cased set of pistols?  Tough shiat.  One gun a month.  You get to buy one, wait 10 days to receive it, and wait an additional 40 days after purchasing the first one to get the second.  Doesn't matter if you're a collector who has a wall of Lugers and Browning Hi-Powers on display already, you can only get one a month.

Also, you have to register your guns in the following states:

Hawaii (Both long guns and handguns)

District of Columbia (Both long guns and handguns)

New York (Handguns only)

Maryland (Handguns only)

New Jersey (Handguns only)

Michigan (Handguns only)


That list isn't comprehensive.   I just skimmed.
 
2020-10-21 2:12:30 PM  
Anyone who's been to Disneyland on a 100% capacity day knows 25% capacity is still a shiat-ton of people often in close quarters.

Good Luck, Mouseketeers! I wouldn't be anywhere near it.
 
2020-10-21 2:46:41 PM  
I live 45 minutes from Disneyland. My buddy's family owns a restaurant right across the street from there, so parking is free and easy.  I tagged to take each of my kids once each when they were about 7 or 8... wife hates the place.  My son has issues, and standing in 1.5-2 hour lines would be a no go for him, but at the time you could go guest services, and get a special pass that allowed you bypass much of the really long lines.  There were some conditions, but all in all is was a super set-up for us.  We got there on a random weekday, right when it opened.  There were big lines waiting to get in. I expected him to last no more then 5 hours or so, due to the crowds and "energy" from the crowds that usually would set him off. We didn't leave there until 11.5 hours later... we had a blast!  We used the hell out of that special pass... it made all the difference between a extremely enjoyable day and a farking nightmare.  I actually wrote a letter to Guest Services thanking them for the pass.  Sadly, I have heard that people were abusing that service, and it is no longer available.  This saddens me, not because I knew at the time this would be my last trip the DL, but because other families that have kids with issues will not be able to enjoy an extremely fun outing with their kids.
 
2020-10-21 7:18:10 PM  

dittybopper: Pats_Cloth_Coat: dittybopper: If, on the other hand, you own property and do business and have a car or anything else they don't like (like a gun), then yeah, they absolutely have the power to make you miserable, and if you have enough, to punish you for having too much.

Uh, except for certain assault weapons you don't have to register your gun in Caiifornia nor I think any other state.

How can they make you miserable, they don't even know you own it.

Actually, yes, you do have to register every single farkin' gun you own in California.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws​_in_the_United_States_by_state#Califor​nia

The California Department of Justice ("DOJ") retains information about the purchaser and seller of all in-state firearm sales and transfers, and requires that any firearms imported into the state be reported to the DOJ.[15] Furthermore, the Attorney General is required by law to maintain a registry containing the fingerprints and identifying information of the transferee, and the unique identifying information of every firearm transferred in the state, pursuant to §11106.[16] All handgun serial numbers and sales are recorded by the state in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System, along with those of many long guns. While there is no requirement for California residents to register handguns owned prior to 1991 with law enforcement, §12025 and §12031 enhance several misdemeanor offenses to felonies if the handgun is not on file in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System. New residents must register handguns (purchased outside of California) with DOJ within 60 days. As of January 1, 2014, long gun serial numbers are also recorded, whereas previously only the sale was recorded. However, it is not required that owners of long guns purchased prior to 2014 register their firearms and it is not a crime to be in possession of an unregistered firearm.


The only exceptions are for handguns owned prior to 1991, and for long guns ...



The beauty of California is that there are many, many things do that don't involve shooting things.
 
2020-10-21 7:30:59 PM  
I assume that 25% capacity is enough of a selling point that they could charge 4x the normal rates and break even.
 
2020-10-21 10:29:42 PM  

Smackledorfer: ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.

Max capacity is X. Usual crowd is 0.4X.

So it isn't the huge reduction you'd think. Those were the numbers for disney world I read a couple weeks ago.

Then the rides use social distancing, so they have half the seats.

The end result is longer waits for rides.


According to my family wait times are nearly 0.
While capacity is 25% they aren't hitting that and total visitors are below Disney's expectations.
More people are showing sense than I thought would.
 
2020-10-22 12:26:58 AM  

haknudsen: Smackledorfer: ImpendingCynic: 25% occupancy might make the place tolerable again. I don't think it's been really enjoyable since the '90s.

Max capacity is X. Usual crowd is 0.4X.

So it isn't the huge reduction you'd think. Those were the numbers for disney world I read a couple weeks ago.

Then the rides use social distancing, so they have half the seats.

The end result is longer waits for rides.

According to my family wait times are nearly 0.
While capacity is 25% they aren't hitting that and total visitors are below Disney's expectations.
More people are showing sense than I thought would.


Interesting.

I just know what a couple disney world folks reported. I could we'll be misinformed.
 
2020-10-22 12:50:32 AM  

dittybopper: Disneyland to reopen as the 75% Less Fewer Happy Place on Earth

FTFY.

/Pet peave.


//Pet peeve.
 
2020-10-22 2:46:55 AM  

phishrace: My Cal county isn't letting the two amusement parks in the county (Great America, Bonfonte Gardens) open just yet. Denied, Newsom.


That's because your county isn't run by the grifters running the state. Fun fact, your county exposed Newsom's scheme to fraudulently lower the positive case count to make himself look better after he disastrously reopened the state the first time. Santa Clara County noticed the state wasn't including all of its cases, called up other counties who were also growing suspicious of the low counts, then informed the state health department and the governor's office two weeks before the story broke.

Another fun fact: your county had to fight the State AG last year to buy two bankrupt private hospitals and make them public. The AG wanted to keep the hospitals as private for-profit, although there were no buyers. Even the bankruptcy judge got fed up and told the AG to buzz off.

Your county is rare. Take care of it.
 
2020-10-22 10:18:49 AM  

gunther_bumpass: The beauty of California is that there are many, many things do that don't involve shooting things.


That's true of everywhere.

Doesn't make California better.
 
2020-10-22 10:19:52 AM  

Security Ninja: dittybopper: Disneyland to reopen as the 75% Less Fewer Happy Place on Earth

FTFY.

/Pet peave.

//Pet peeve.


///TV Peepee.
 
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