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(Business Insider)   Adm. William McRaven, Navy Seal who oversaw op to kill Bin Laden's body double, as commander of JSOC clamped down on Seal Team 6's atrocities, believes Black lives matter and that the U.S. no longer sets an example for democracy, voted for Joe Biden   (businessinsider.com) divider line
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2020-10-20 7:11:50 PM  
That's the guy who delivered this commencement address in 2014:

Admiral McRaven addresses the University of Texas at Austin Class of 2014
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2020-10-20 7:58:58 PM  
Truth be told, I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative," he wrote. "But, I also believe that black lives matter, that the Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national success, that education is the great equalizer, that climate change is real and that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy. Most important, I believe that America must lead in the world with courage, conviction and a sense of honor and humility.

Just another RINO
 
2020-10-20 10:51:25 PM  
That's so McRaven!
 
2020-10-20 10:53:10 PM  

Bowen: Truth be told, I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative," he wrote. "But, I also believe that black lives matter, that the Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national success, that education is the great equalizer, that climate change is real and that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy. Most important, I believe that America must lead in the world with courage, conviction and a sense of honor and humility.

Just another RINO


Of course.  You can tell because he's for democracy, education, and science.  None of those are part of the GOP platform.
 
2020-10-20 10:54:31 PM  
It's a national embarrassment that men of Admiral McRaven's caliber are denigrated, belittled and insulted by the likes of trump and the GOP sits back and lets it happen.  Disgusting. They should never be forgiven, EVER, for this allowing this travesty.
 
2020-10-20 11:01:21 PM  
Navy Seal...
Pro-Life...

Hmmmm
 
2020-10-20 11:01:51 PM  
Jesus subby, that's a lot of words crammed into that headline...
 
2020-10-20 11:01:56 PM  
Didn't Trump say Obama tried to have all these guys killed?
 
2020-10-20 11:05:28 PM  

freetomato: It's a national embarrassment that men of Admiral McRaven's caliber are denigrated, belittled and insulted by the likes of trump and the GOP sits back and lets it happen.  Disgusting. They should never be forgiven, EVER, for this allowing this travesty.


And what exactly allows the President to get away with doing this to so many people?

What in the Fark is this country all about.

I have really had it with this asshole Trump.
 
2020-10-20 11:08:00 PM  
Yeah, well Cap'n Crunch, Captain Obvious, and Samurai Cop all are endorsing Donald Jerk Trump, so there!

Wait... no, sorry.  Not endorsing.  Ignoring.  Yeah, they're all ignoring him.
 
2020-10-20 11:09:19 PM  

Tomahawk513: Navy Seal...
Pro-Life...

Hmmmm


Pro life is anti-woman, that's all.
 
2020-10-20 11:11:30 PM  
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2020-10-20 11:12:28 PM  
My former commander.

/Bravo
//Zulu
///Stan McChrystal too
 
2020-10-20 11:14:33 PM  

Tomahawk513: Navy Seal...
Pro-Life...

Hmmmm


Pro birth, not life.
 
2020-10-20 11:15:33 PM  
Lives don't matter
 
2020-10-20 11:15:59 PM  
More deep state swamp creature

/cult
 
2020-10-20 11:17:20 PM  
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Why did Bin Laden's body double need to be searched out and killed?
 
2020-10-20 11:28:23 PM  
He is a great illustration of how it used to work, between Democratic Presidents and high level military commanders.  Some other military big wigs of his caliber flirted with the Trump admin, and then Noped on out.
To be honest, that is one of the few things I am grateful for this year: This administration does not have the cover of any high-level brass anymore to give them the sheen of legitimacy.

This is a fascinating example of genuine in-depth reporting. It is also the opposite of today's media. And it depresses me that this was not that long ago.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/polit​i​cs/2012/11/inside-osama-bin-laden-assa​ssination-plot
 
2020-10-20 11:29:48 PM  
It has been amusing to see the mouthbreathers and bots try to tear this guy down.
 
2020-10-20 11:30:35 PM  
The man is an American before party.
 
2020-10-20 11:33:26 PM  
Germany sets the modern example for democracy. Healthcare is free (to my knowledge), higher ed is cheap or free, educated experts are in charge of their divisions of government, police de-escalate and rarely use force, and the average citizen can prosper.
 
2020-10-20 11:35:00 PM  
Seals are interesting creatures.
For the most part , you do not want them to be concerned with things like politics.
I do not know the man, but, I would want him next to me in a firefight if it came down to that.
I think I will not comment on any other aspect about the man, aside from saying I would trust him to make damn sure that I had a properly packed chute and a full tank, with my life, if need be.
And I would do the same.
 
2020-10-20 11:36:29 PM  
When is this farce going to end that because someone "served", they are on a morally higher ground than anyone else, or they deserve special treatment?

My father was drafted into Vietnam. He didn't have a choice. He was spat upon when he returned.

He never admits to serving. He doesn't go to the VFW or the American Legion. He doesn't scream and yell for his veteran discount at Denny's. Infact, he despises the Salute to Service crap the NFL pimps. He doesn't believe that just because you were either forced to serve or volunteered that you are any better or worse than someone who works at the supermarket.

Yet, in the last 20 years we are now ingrained to think of military, police or any sort of first-responder as someone who is above reproach. They're opinions or actions are not to be questioned.

This has alot to do with where we are as a country in my opinion.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bin Laden didn't win on 9/11; he merely started the downward slide to where we are as a country today.
 
2020-10-20 11:38:27 PM  

StillInFayettestan: My former commander.

/Bravo
//Zulu
///Stan McChrystal too


In my part of the would he seems like the kind of guy that would get a knighthood and would insist "please, just call me Stan".
 
2020-10-20 11:38:30 PM  

Alien Robot: [Fark user image image 850x356]Why did Bin Laden's body double need to be searched out and killed?


QAnon asshattery has turned Poe's Law into Poe's Totalitarian State, so I can't even respond with proper snark.
 
2020-10-20 11:40:08 PM  

fatalvenom: When is this farce going to end that because someone "served", they are on a morally higher ground than anyone else, or they deserve special treatment?

My father was drafted into Vietnam. He didn't have a choice. He was spat upon when he returned.

He never admits to serving. He doesn't go to the VFW or the American Legion. He doesn't scream and yell for his veteran discount at Denny's. Infact, he despises the Salute to Service crap the NFL pimps. He doesn't believe that just because you were either forced to serve or volunteered that you are any better or worse than someone who works at the supermarket.

Yet, in the last 20 years we are now ingrained to think of military, police or any sort of first-responder as someone who is above reproach. They're opinions or actions are not to be questioned.

This has alot to do with where we are as a country in my opinion.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bin Laden didn't win on 9/11; he merely started the downward slide to where we are as a country today.


Agreed. Special warfare folks though want to make it less likely that others have to die for some stupid whim. At least that is how I was raised.
Keep the killing down to the lowest level possible so peace can be achieved.
I still hold to that ideal .
 
2020-10-20 11:44:04 PM  

alienated: fatalvenom: When is this farce going to end that because someone "served", they are on a morally higher ground than anyone else, or they deserve special treatment?

My father was drafted into Vietnam. He didn't have a choice. He was spat upon when he returned.

He never admits to serving. He doesn't go to the VFW or the American Legion. He doesn't scream and yell for his veteran discount at Denny's. Infact, he despises the Salute to Service crap the NFL pimps. He doesn't believe that just because you were either forced to serve or volunteered that you are any better or worse than someone who works at the supermarket.

Yet, in the last 20 years we are now ingrained to think of military, police or any sort of first-responder as someone who is above reproach. They're opinions or actions are not to be questioned.

This has alot to do with where we are as a country in my opinion.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bin Laden didn't win on 9/11; he merely started the downward slide to where we are as a country today.

Agreed. Special warfare folks though want to make it less likely that others have to die for some stupid whim. At least that is how I was raised.
Keep the killing down to the lowest level possible so peace can be achieved.
I still hold to that ideal .


I agree that they do a job.

However, they do a job just like anyone else. Sure it might involve blowing shiat up and killing "hostile" people (which can be argued), they are given orders though. Same as anyone else.

Maybe it's because I grew up in a household that was disillusioned by military service, but I don't see the hero worship as being something that should be a end-all.
 
2020-10-20 11:45:22 PM  

Unobtanium: That's the guy who delivered this commencement address in 2014:

[YouTube video: Admiral McRaven addresses the University of Texas at Austin Class of 2014]


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2020-10-20 11:48:48 PM  
Ohhh man the Vet-flake social media accounts are gonna be great the next day or so.

Cant wait for the angry rant from my truck videos from Vets that did 4 years maybe made E4 but are now their small towns geo-political and military tactics experts.
 
2020-10-20 11:51:21 PM  

fatalvenom: Maybe it's because I grew up in a household that was disillusioned by military service, but I don't see the hero worship as being something that should be a end-all.


That is correct.
It should not be. There are no heroes, only people doing a jorb, sometimes above and beyond . sometimes doing the right thing.

Be well my brother
 
2020-10-20 11:52:36 PM  
He also writes really good books!
 
2020-10-20 11:54:37 PM  
It is too soon to say that this is definitely going to happen, and I have to say it is kind of unpalatable to me.

But there might actually be a huge number of lets say former Republicans, who are admiring Democrats who have stuck to their guns, spoken truth to power, and called Trump on his shiat early.

Sure there are the dead enders, and the ones who are just going to pretend that they always hated him and were just going along, but....

there are Colin Powell types and the Bushes and Lincoln project types and others who might accept that all their rah rahs and trick plays have damaged the game. They might see that their party has screwed things up, and they might actually be willing to give back some of "the crap they stole."

Conciliation seems unpalatable now. Maybe Democrats should demand that they form a different party before people start talking about bipartisanship. Trumpers would never accept that, but reasonable people would.
 
2020-10-21 12:04:02 AM  
When asked if he would continue to support President Trump, McRaven responded, "Nevermore.  And you can quote me on that."
 
2020-10-21 12:05:04 AM  

Alien Robot: [Fark user image 850x356]Why did Bin Laden's body double need to be searched out and killed?


Is this a serious question, or just Poe's Law?
 
2020-10-21 12:12:57 AM  

StillInFayettestan: My former commander.

/Bravo
//Zulu
///Stan McChrystal too


Worked for him - Did not really care for him. Liked Stan though (He was only a 1 star when I started)
 
2020-10-21 12:18:25 AM  

fatalvenom: When is this farce going to end that because someone "served", they are on a morally higher ground than anyone else, or they deserve special treatment?

My father was drafted into Vietnam. He didn't have a choice. He was spat upon when he returned.

He never admits to serving. He doesn't go to the VFW or the American Legion. He doesn't scream and yell for his veteran discount at Denny's. Infact, he despises the Salute to Service crap the NFL pimps. He doesn't believe that just because you were either forced to serve or volunteered that you are any better or worse than someone who works at the supermarket.

Yet, in the last 20 years we are now ingrained to think of military, police or any sort of first-responder as someone who is above reproach. They're opinions or actions are not to be questioned.

This has alot to do with where we are as a country in my opinion.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bin Laden didn't win on 9/11; he merely started the downward slide to where we are as a country today.


In general, I agree with this sentiment, but in this particular case, I give the McRaven's opinion extra weight, since his years working at the highest levels of government/military, and knowledge of classified intel on foreign powers, almost certainly give him extra insight on how bad Donald in farking things up.

Like, for example, he probably has a pretty accurate assessment of the assassination of that Iranian general way back when but can't say anything about it.
 
2020-10-21 12:27:56 AM  

2fardownthread: It is too soon to say that this is definitely going to happen, and I have to say it is kind of unpalatable to me.

But there might actually be a huge number of lets say former Republicans, who are admiring Democrats who have stuck to their guns, spoken truth to power, and called Trump on his shiat early.

Sure there are the dead enders, and the ones who are just going to pretend that they always hated him and were just going along, but....

there are Colin Powell types and the Bushes and Lincoln project types and others who might accept that all their rah rahs and trick plays have damaged the game. They might see that their party has screwed things up, and they might actually be willing to give back some of "the crap they stole."

Conciliation seems unpalatable now. Maybe Democrats should demand that they form a different party before people start talking about bipartisanship. Trumpers would never accept that, but reasonable people would.


The only thing that they see that their party screwed up was that the party said the quiet part loud.
 
2020-10-21 12:36:08 AM  

Tomahawk513: Navy Seal...
Pro-Life...

Hmmmm


Like a vegan butcher or an Amish car salesmen.

/Real Amish, not those AINOs
 
2020-10-21 12:42:21 AM  

fatalvenom: When is this farce going to end that because someone "served", they are on a morally higher ground than anyone else, or they deserve special treatment?


I don't think that's what's going on here. This person is qualified as few are to offer insight on the President's leadership role and the relationship between White House decision-making and real-world results, particularly vis-a-vis the military. That doesn't mean he's *right*, but it is hardly farcical to give his views more weight than someone who works at the supermarket.
 
2020-10-21 12:42:34 AM  
I will never understand why being a cog in the machine of the Bon Laden raid makes one notable. America just loves to fellate anyone involved in that.
 
2020-10-21 12:49:34 AM  

fatalvenom: When is this farce going to end that because someone "served", they are on a morally higher ground than anyone else, or they deserve special treatment?

My father was drafted into Vietnam. He didn't have a choice. He was spat upon when he returned.

He never admits to serving. He doesn't go to the VFW or the American Legion. He doesn't scream and yell for his veteran discount at Denny's. Infact, he despises the Salute to Service crap the NFL pimps. He doesn't believe that just because you were either forced to serve or volunteered that you are any better or worse than someone who works at the supermarket.

Yet, in the last 20 years we are now ingrained to think of military, police or any sort of first-responder as someone who is above reproach. They're opinions or actions are not to be questioned.

This has alot to do with where we are as a country in my opinion.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bin Laden didn't win on 9/11; he merely started the downward slide to where we are as a country today.


I hate the "thank you for your service" crap as much as the next guy, but this isn't some dude who spent three years as a fuel guy in Germany. He's a retired admiral. A career military professional who rose to the top of his field. He's like Dr. Fauci. If a retired Dr. Fauci made a political endorsement, would you give him any credence, or say just cuz someone went to medical school doesn't mean they're smart?
 
2020-10-21 1:02:05 AM  

Han Dolo: The man is an American before party.


He's hardly an American when he hates roughly 50% of the population.
 
2020-10-21 1:06:33 AM  

Pin Fiften Clob: 2fardownthread: It is too soon to say that this is definitely going to happen, and I have to say it is kind of unpalatable to me.

But there might actually be a huge number of lets say former Republicans, who are admiring Democrats who have stuck to their guns, spoken truth to power, and called Trump on his shiat early.

Sure there are the dead enders, and the ones who are just going to pretend that they always hated him and were just going along, but....

there are Colin Powell types and the Bushes and Lincoln project types and others who might accept that all their rah rahs and trick plays have damaged the game. They might see that their party has screwed things up, and they might actually be willing to give back some of "the crap they stole."

Conciliation seems unpalatable now. Maybe Democrats should demand that they form a different party before people start talking about bipartisanship. Trumpers would never accept that, but reasonable people would.

The only thing that they see that their party screwed up was that the party said the quiet part loud.


The paleoconservative faction has been screaming the quiet part for a long time; if the neoconservatives convert (and many of them started out on the left originally), the screamers will have more control and get even louder.  Regardless of whether Trump wins or loses, expect Disaster Area levels of loudness.

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2020-10-21 2:02:05 AM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Tomahawk513: Navy Seal...
Pro-Life...

Hmmmm

Pro life is anti-woman, that's all.


So is pro choice. Abortion kills future women, gays, lesbians, trans, Democrats of every color... hell, I don't know why more Republican'ts aren't pro-Choice: it always shifts the demographics in their favor, as the white supremacist and eugenics-endoring founder of Planned (non)Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, intended.
 
2020-10-21 5:51:45 AM  

thespindrifter: I don't know why more Republican'ts aren't pro-Choice


Because Republicans are misogynists who still think they own women; therefore, they should be making women's decisions for them?

Not your pregnancy, not your call. STFU.
 
2020-10-21 6:31:36 AM  
"I also believe that black lives matter, that the Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national success, that education is the great equalizer, that climate change is real and that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy."

Who's gonna claim that this man is a socialist looking to tear down America?
 
2020-10-21 6:34:59 AM  

RasIanI: "I also believe that black lives matter, that the Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national success, that education is the great equalizer, that climate change is real and that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy."

Who's gonna claim that this man is a socialist looking to tear down America?


There's a laundry-list of imbeciles on this very site who would do so.  They're not smart people.  They're the kind of irredeemable moron who thinks Bin Laden was a body double and can yammer about that, but is conspicuously absent from threads about right-wingers being absolute pieces of sh*t.
 
2020-10-21 6:56:14 AM  

tekmo: thespindrifter: I don't know why more Republican'ts aren't pro-Choice

Because Republicans are misogynists who still think they own women; therefore, they should be making women's decisions for them?

Not your pregnancy, not your call. STFU.


F*cking thank you.  My body, my responsibility, my choices.  Even my own husband agrees with that.  It's between me and my doctor.  End of.

I can't respect this guy as any kind of American hero when he clearly only represents half the population, and holds distain for the other half.  And he's bloody proud of it!

WOMEN CAN MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES.
WE ARE NOT THINGS TO BE OWNED OR MANAGED.
F*CK YOU
 
2020-10-21 8:28:34 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Healthcare is free (to my knowledge), higher ed is cheap or free


Neither is ever free.
 
2020-10-21 8:49:48 AM  

mrmopar5287: bluejeansonfire: Healthcare is free (to my knowledge), higher ed is cheap or free

Neither is ever free.


Are coordinated and controlled services that work for the people to limit the malicious corporate domination of individuals.  Better?
 
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