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2020-10-20 9:42:43 AM  
Methinks Subby doesn't understand the meaning of the HERO tag.

This is supposed to be the default setup. Well it was, until Republicans lost their damn minds.
 
2020-10-20 9:47:47 AM  
Chris Peterson is awesome. That is all.
 
2020-10-20 9:51:25 AM  
About time.  Too little, too late to get an R vote from me, but I applaud the effort.  This is what is needed in this country.  After an electoral and legal bloodletting of the Republican party.
 
2020-10-20 10:20:20 AM  
Yawn.

Boring.

Alert me when they get flamethrowers
 
2020-10-20 10:29:04 AM  
The most fun part about this ad is the tacit admission that Biden wins. I mean, we mostly know that, but 2016...
 
2020-10-20 10:42:19 AM  
Yeah? Well, subby, if that is your real name, you got cooties.
 
2020-10-20 10:43:17 AM  

Alley Rat: Methinks Subby doesn't understand the meaning of the HERO tag.

This is supposed to be the default setup. Well it was, until Republicans lost their damn minds.


THIS.

Republicans/The GOP/Conservatives haven't been acting in good faith in decades, and its only gotten worse, but Democrats are supposed to treat them like they will keep their words when they almost never do?

fark that noise, destroy them.
 
2020-10-20 10:43:54 AM  
Sounds like Jack Johnson and John Jackson...
Jack Johnson vs John Jackson
Youtube Ll3iyvbsRDM
 
2020-10-20 10:44:10 AM  
Good for both of them.
 
2020-10-20 10:44:11 AM  
A republican pleading for civility? RINO!!!!
 
2020-10-20 10:44:55 AM  

Alley Rat: Methinks Subby doesn't understand the meaning of the HERO tag.

This is supposed to be the default setup. Well it was, until Republicans lost their damn minds.


Yeah, but in the climate of the last ... well, way too many goddamn years, this is the exception, not the rule, and I sincerely applaud the effort.  I want to see more of this.  A lot more.  It's unlikely to happen except on small scales like this, but ... baby steps, I guess.
 
2020-10-20 10:45:17 AM  
Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.
 
2020-10-20 10:48:13 AM  
Aren't all Mormons nice in a passive-aggressive way anyway?
 
2020-10-20 10:48:28 AM  
Stone them!!!
 
2020-10-20 10:48:51 AM  
It's not civil to demand that women, minorities, LGBT, and non-Christians suffer under a regime where "rights" are merely favors from the white male ruling class.
 
2020-10-20 10:53:17 AM  
This is how two major cucks run for office. Either throw down, or start fondling each other. America needs conflict in politics, right? Bunch of liberal hippie nonsense otherwise.

/s
 
2020-10-20 10:53:18 AM  
Only in 2020 will the bare minimum of political civility get you the hero tag.

I mean I'm not saying it is unwarranted, just that this is how far we've fallen.
 
2020-10-20 10:55:20 AM  
Dear god, West Wing-brained civility politics will be the death of us.

The pen is only mightier than the sword until you get stabbed in the guts.

/The penis mightier is where it's at
 
2020-10-20 10:56:36 AM  
they are both vying for the same overwhelmingly white voter base who worry if 3% beer is too strong
 
2020-10-20 10:57:28 AM  
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2020-10-20 10:57:39 AM  
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2020-10-20 11:02:22 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: The most fun part about this ad is the tacit admission that Biden wins. I mean, we mostly know that, but 2016...


Not really. With all of the vote stealing if Trump did declare victory a lot of people simply wouldn't believe him. Trump's made sure a victory for him will look illegitimate.
 
2020-10-20 11:05:27 AM  

Alley Rat: Methinks Subby doesn't understand the meaning of the HERO tag.

This is supposed to be the default setup. Well it was, until Republicans lost their damn minds.


All social change for good (or rather away from NOT good) only comes in this country when conservatives start agreeing with the progressives. It is getting really old.
 
2020-10-20 11:06:43 AM  
And GFY bsabmitter!
 
2020-10-20 11:07:47 AM  
The only way to be civil and a republican is to publicly stop being a republican.

3.5 years ago.

fark everyone who's stuck around with them for all of THIS.
 
2020-10-20 11:12:13 AM  
Idiot. Like a Republican can be trusted.
 
2020-10-20 11:13:22 AM  

HerptheDerp: A republican pleading for civility? RINO!!!!


Since foghorns didn't work, they're trying to go back to dogwhistles. Don't give the bastards an inch.
 
2020-10-20 11:17:59 AM  
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2020-10-20 11:21:34 AM  
At this point any Democrat who doesn't see the GOP as an enemy is
DINO Blue Dog
Stupid
Rose color glasses wearing Pollyanna

Or some mixture of the above
 
2020-10-20 11:22:36 AM  
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The current GOP needs to go.
 
2020-10-20 11:24:26 AM  

spongeboob: At this point any Democrat who doesn't see the GOP as an enemy is
DINO Blue Dog
Stupid
Rose color glasses wearing Pollyanna

Or some mixture of the above


Clicks link
Utah

So a Democrat to the Right of Reagan
 
2020-10-20 11:28:00 AM  
Another headline that tries to make it look like Republicans aren't f*ckups to be avoided.

Good job subby.
 
2020-10-20 11:29:20 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.


Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.
 
2020-10-20 11:30:07 AM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Chris Peterson is awesome. That is all.


You both just lawyers or are you both Mormon lawyers?
 
2020-10-20 11:32:04 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.

Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.

Good.   I'd rather deal with centrists and conservatives in our own party than the outright fascist insanity we're seeing in the Republicans.
 
2020-10-20 11:38:55 AM  

whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.

Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.
Good.   I'd rather deal with centrists and conservatives in our own party than the outright fascist insanity we're seeing in the Republicans.


Except that isn't what will happen. You want and need a viable opposition party that isn't run by the fringe. Ideology isn't going to miraculously go away. The changing of views takes time. Forcing it will just fan the flames. Effectively only having 1 party would mean that party is bound to fracture.
 
2020-10-20 11:40:07 AM  
The "Transition of Power" part is objectively more important than the "Peaceful" part
 
2020-10-20 11:40:19 AM  
republican lawmakers no matter how nice you think they are should be put in the wilderness for the next century.  Stop trying to normalize these assholes.
 
2020-10-20 11:41:02 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.

Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.
Good.   I'd rather deal with centrists and conservatives in our own party than the outright fascist insanity we're seeing in the Republicans.

Except that isn't what will happen. You want and need a viable opposition party that isn't run by the fringe. Ideology isn't going to miraculously go away. The changing of views takes time. Forcing it will just fan the flames. Effectively only having 1 party would mean that party is bound to fracture.


Well, right. Why is this bad?
 
2020-10-20 11:41:07 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.

Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.
Good.   I'd rather deal with centrists and conservatives in our own party than the outright fascist insanity we're seeing in the Republicans.

Except that isn't what will happen. You want and need a viable opposition party that isn't run by the fringe.


We don't need an "opposition party."  We have goals we need to accomplish that have been nothing but stymied by an "opposition party."  This is 20th Century thinking that frankly didn't work.

Ideology isn't going to miraculously go away. The changing of views takes time. Forcing it will just fan the flames. Effectively only having 1 party would mean that party is bound to fracture.

You are making bare assertions, I am pointing out actual history.    Without obstructionists like Republicans getting in the way, we can focus on the conservatives in our own party.
 
2020-10-20 11:51:05 AM  

whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.

Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.
Good.   I'd rather deal with centrists and conservatives in our own party than the outright fascist insanity we're seeing in the Republicans.

Except that isn't what will happen. You want and need a viable opposition party that isn't run by the fringe.

We don't need an "opposition party."  We have goals we need to accomplish that have been nothing but stymied by an "opposition party."  This is 20th Century thinking that frankly didn't work.

Ideology isn't going to miraculously go away. The changing of views takes time. Forcing it will just fan the flames. Effectively only having 1 party would mean that party is bound to fracture.

You are making bare assertions, I am pointing out actual history.    Without obstructionists like Republicans getting in the way, we can focus on the conservatives in our own party.


Are you honestly advocating for a one party system? You know we have a name for that and it isn't a kind one. Your problem is that you view views different than your own as a virus that need to be controlled and contained and therefore it is easier to suppress those views if it was within 1 party where the ruling class could effectively squelch any dissension amongst the ranks.

We have a 2 party system. I also am not happy with the current state of the Republican Party, but the fact remains. It would do us all good if that party was reformed versus attempting to subdue it and tear apart our Constitution and foundation to do so.
 
2020-10-20 11:52:08 AM  

spongeboob: spongeboob: At this point any Democrat who doesn't see the GOP as an enemy is
DINO Blue Dog
Stupid
Rose color glasses wearing Pollyanna

Or some mixture of the above

Clicks link
Utah

So a Democrat to the Right of Reagan


Chris Peterson, in addition to being a Utah University consumer law prof (just like Katie Porter, who loves him), is a fellow at Consumer Federation of America. He is a good dude.
 
2020-10-20 11:57:18 AM  

whidbey: Without obstructionists like Republicans getting in the way, we can focus on the conservatives in our own party.


And, what, pillory or primary them or otherwise attack them until they capitulate?
 
2020-10-20 12:01:09 PM  

whidbey: We don't need an "opposition party."  We have goals we need to accomplish that have been nothing but stymied by an "opposition party."  This is 20th Century thinking that frankly didn't work.


Also, you do realize that those goals aren't unanimous or in lock step even within the Democratic party, right? Likewise, that some of the goals put forth sound great on paper but absolutely horrible, half-baked ideas that need significant work and planning to even begin to consider, much less just slap-dash implement, right?

Sorry, man, but I don't want to live in a country where only approved views get to be part of the party and have a say, and a non-elected body (DNC) has the power to control who is and isn't ultimately available as a candidate.  That's exactly the opposite of a representative form of government.
 
2020-10-20 12:07:34 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.

Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.


You won't be around to have to worry about it anyway.
 
2020-10-20 12:08:25 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: God_Almighty_Himself: Republicans are the enemy and should be treated as such.

Once you "eliminate" the GOP you are going to be right back in the same boat with division within in your ranks. You better get used to being able to deal with dissenting opinions and varying views. Nobody is happy with how the GOP party has fragmented. They have been hemorrhaging voters and the fringe gained control as a result of how divided the party is. You better take note because the same thing is happening to the Democratic party. It will go through an evolution and considering we do not really have any system to allow for this to occur within a party and only having 2 parties, get ready for a VERY bumpy ride.
Good.   I'd rather deal with centrists and conservatives in our own party than the outright fascist insanity we're seeing in the Republicans.

Except that isn't what will happen. You want and need a viable opposition party that isn't run by the fringe.

We don't need an "opposition party."  We have goals we need to accomplish that have been nothing but stymied by an "opposition party."  This is 20th Century thinking that frankly didn't work.

Ideology isn't going to miraculously go away. The changing of views takes time. Forcing it will just fan the flames. Effectively only having 1 party would mean that party is bound to fracture.

You are making bare assertions, I am pointing out actual history.    Without obstructionists like Republicans getting in the way, we can focus on the conservatives in our own party.

Are you honestly advocating for a one party system?


Until a political party left of the Democrats comes to power?  Yes.   We need one party rule for a good 30-50 years to undo the damage the far right has caused here.

You know we have a name for that and it isn't a kind one.

You mean YOU do.

Your problem is that you view views different than your own as a virus that need to be controlled and contained and therefore it is easier to suppress those views if it was within 1 party where the ruling class could effectively squelch any dissension amongst the ranks.

Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about and now you're just replying with fearmongering.  More bare assertions.

We ...

Yes, "we" goddammit.    The people with sense in this country.
 
2020-10-20 12:10:57 PM  

whidbey: Until a political party left of the Democrats comes to power?  Yes.   We need one party rule for a good 30-50 years to undo the damage the far right has caused here.


This is the part where "reasonable" moderates start getting squeamish.
 
2020-10-20 12:12:50 PM  
Of course it's going to be Utah to be the weird-religion-Canada state.
 
2020-10-20 12:22:34 PM  
Good for them. Personally, I'm not going to have a polite conversation with someone who supports the party actively trying to kill me.
 
2020-10-20 12:25:07 PM  

PanicAttack: Aren't all Mormons nice in a passive-aggressive way anyway?


One step below "Minnesota nice" on the passive-aggressive scale, especially the ones from Utah.
 
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