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(Metro)   Study points out that we have a lot to look forward to concerning the coronavirus, the Medieval bubonic plague picked up speed over its 300 year history because people lived in cramped conditions like we do today   (metro.co.uk) divider line
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2020-10-20 8:51:02 AM  
And a lot of us are back in the office when we don't need to be.  When my small company sent me an e-mail telling me they were going to give me the plague, I thought I was being honored for a job well done.
 
2020-10-20 9:58:18 AM  
Life finds a way.
 
2020-10-20 10:22:40 AM  
Luckily, children can't be asymptomatic carriers of the virus.
 
2020-10-20 10:25:32 AM  
It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.
 
2020-10-20 10:27:20 AM  
Pretty sure it was also the unsanitary conditions and just general lack of ignorance (being the Medieval period) about how diseases were caused and transmitted.
 
2020-10-20 10:27:38 AM  
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2020-10-20 10:29:43 AM  

stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.


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2020-10-20 10:30:25 AM  
Cramped conditions, huh? Did they all wear masks, wash their hands, and social distance? Did they circulate the air carefully? Yeah. I didn't think so. We will do just fine people. Do not panic.

If you ever wondered how important antibiotics are, just remember that we STILL have pretty good defenses against diseases caused by bacteria, and also from most molds and parasites.

Sure the viruses are nasty, but we are taking some good whacks at them.

Vive le Science!
 
2020-10-20 10:30:46 AM  

serfdood: stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.

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Every f*cking thread.  What a shiathole.
 
2020-10-20 10:31:03 AM  

serfdood: Pretty sure it was also the unsanitary conditions and just general lack of ignorance (being the Medieval period) about how diseases were caused and transmitted.


Lack of ignorance? We have an abundance of ignorance. A significant percentage of the population hasn't progressed beyond Medieval-level scientific understanding of how diseases are transmitted. They'd rather inject bleach than wear a mask.
 
2020-10-20 10:31:51 AM  
Liars, connivers and plague rats.. Oh my!
 
2020-10-20 10:34:28 AM  

born_yesterday: serfdood: stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.

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Every f*cking thread.  What a shiathole.


So you're complaining that he's posting repetitively as you check in to a repetitive topic to post redundantly?
 
2020-10-20 10:36:50 AM  
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2020-10-20 10:48:57 AM  
Australia has been a combination of lucky and effective at avoiding the spread of COVID, with the exception for several months being some of the more densely populated bits of Melbourne.

I think a big part of it has been that around the world, lower socio-economic demographics have been hard hit by COVID and in many cases those folks live in inner city environments. In Australia generally our lower socio-economic populations live in outer suburban areas. They may have fewer services and ugly housing but there's a lot of open space too, people certainly aren't crammed together as they might be in European or American urban environments.
 
2020-10-20 10:50:24 AM  

thehobbes: Luckily, children can't be asymptomatic carriers of the virus.


haha, it is true.  letter from kids principle this morning (and why schools being open is a bad idea)

We take the health and safety of our students and staff very seriously in the School District.  It is a shared expectation that parents, guardians and students not only take their own health and safety seriously, but that they make the health and safety of students, teachers, and staff THE priority now that we have resumed face to face instruction in our schools.

Unfortunately, there have been some instances where students have entered our school buildings with observable and measurable symptoms of illness and/or knowingly awaiting COVID test results.  And in some rare cases, they have even lied about this. I cannot stress enough how irresponsible this behavior is, as it compromises the health and safety of every student and staff member in a school building and jeopardizes all students' ability to receive face-to-face instruction.


oh she mad.  We been at 75% of students in full-time face-to-face on Oct 14th.  already having kids having to quarantine.

/hence mine are in virtual for the foreseeable year and next.
 
2020-10-20 10:52:22 AM  
And just like back then, a portion of the population had superstitious beliefs and wacko theories about it that backfired like killing all the cats that were killing the rats that carried the fleas.
 
2020-10-20 10:53:21 AM  

stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.


No, you fool. Bloodletting is for rebalancing the humors. It would be completely ineffective against a curse.

Unfortunately, I am not learned in the arts of curses and charms. I suggest you see an astrologer to consult the stars.
 
2020-10-20 10:54:50 AM  

sitesmithscott: And just like back then, a portion of the population had superstitious beliefs and wacko theories about it that backfired like killing all the cats that were killing the rats that carried the fleas.


easy fix, just kill all the dogs keeping the cat population down
 
2020-10-20 10:55:54 AM  

wontar: serfdood: Pretty sure it was also the unsanitary conditions and just general lack of ignorance (being the Medieval period) about how diseases were caused and transmitted.

Lack of ignorance? We have an abundance of ignorance. A significant percentage of the population hasn't progressed beyond Medieval-level scientific understanding of how diseases are transmitted. They'd rather inject bleach than wear a mask.


Knowledge.  I mean knowledge.

But yes, we're now back to Medieval cures.
 
2020-10-20 11:04:46 AM  
I was told that we just need to let everyone get sick and herd immunity would protect the survivors.  It's the "Thoughts and Prayers" approach to epidemiology.  You can do nothing, but it seems like you are doing something.
 
2020-10-20 11:07:45 AM  
Yes, cramped conditions makes human to human transmission of diseases much easier and more likely. Plus the many forms of rapid transportation means it can spread farther and faster. That being said, there are huge differences between modern times and medieval England, so the comparison isn't as apt.

For one thing, the plague is mainly spread by the bites of infected fleas, unless it's the pneumonic form, which is spread by aerosol transmission. Fleas got around on rats, which thrived in the cramped and unsanitary conditions prevalent in cities like London at the time. And people didn't bathe often or wore clean clothes on a daily basis.

People didn't think fleas were the problem in spreading the plague, but "bad air" or uncontrolled sin. That certainly didn't help in controlling the spread. The only ways the plague died out was through too few people to infect or fire burning everything down, thereby removing most of the filthy conditions. Scorched earth. The plague in the mid 1660s ended due to the Great Fire in 1666.

We have better medical knowledge, better sanitation and hygiene standards, and other factors that make a difference.
 
2020-10-20 11:11:40 AM  

g.fro: stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.

No, you fool. Bloodletting is for rebalancing the humors. It would be completely ineffective against a curse.

Unfortunately, I am not learned in the arts of curses and charms. I suggest you see an astrologer to consult the stars.


One of the most effective ways of removing a hex or curse is to pee in a bottle, adding in rusty nails and bits of glass, sealing it, and burying it upside down in the earth by a tree.
 
2020-10-20 11:13:18 AM  

atlantic_lotion: sitesmithscott: And just like back then, a portion of the population had superstitious beliefs and wacko theories about it that backfired like killing all the cats that were killing the rats that carried the fleas.

easy fix, just kill all the dogs keeping the cat population down


But that means an uptick in magical wolves that may bite you and turn you into a werewolf.
 
2020-10-20 11:26:28 AM  

stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.


Don't forget your nosegay.  Can't keep out the miasma without a nosegay.

But yeah seriously I'm pretty goddam frightened.
 
2020-10-20 11:29:24 AM  

UberDave: And a lot of us are back in the office when we don't need to be.  When my small company sent me an e-mail telling me they were going to give me the plague, I thought I was being honored for a job well done.


Can confirm. Company brought everyone back in as soon as MI gave even a limited all clear, and made it plain to us that because we're a communications company, we're technically "essential personnel" and could've been made to work from the office the whole time.

For those of us with significant at-risk family or who are at risk ourselves, whether we can keep working from home was "at your manager's discretion, but in-office presence will be required at some point", with heaps of disdain and obvious "you won't be held in high regard if you continue to work from home, manager be damned" laced into it.

Hell, we've had two cases of Covid in the office, and we've only found out a week later, after it leaked out, and the most they are doing is contact tracing and sending home anyone 'directly exposed'.  Given our office is a smallish one, and it's 'open floorplan'...
 
2020-10-20 11:30:25 AM  

stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.


pssst, you kjnow that they use leeches in modern surgery, right?
 
2020-10-20 11:31:45 AM  

Hyjamon: thehobbes: Luckily, children can't be asymptomatic carriers of the virus.

haha, it is true.  letter from kids principle this morning (and why schools being open is a bad idea)

We take the health and safety of our students and staff very seriously in the School District.  It is a shared expectation that parents, guardians and students not only take their own health and safety seriously, but that they make the health and safety of students, teachers, and staff THE priority now that we have resumed face to face instruction in our schools.

Unfortunately, there have been some instances where students have entered our school buildings with observable and measurable symptoms of illness and/or knowingly awaiting COVID test results.  And in some rare cases, they have even lied about this. I cannot stress enough how irresponsible this behavior is, as it compromises the health and safety of every student and staff member in a school building and jeopardizes all students' ability to receive face-to-face instruction.

oh she mad.  We been at 75% of students in full-time face-to-face on Oct 14th.  already having kids having to quarantine.

/hence mine are in virtual for the foreseeable year and next.


Yup. Had a girl not feeling good Tuesday, came to school. Test came back positive Sunday.

Half the class is quarantined now. It should be everyone in the room since airborne but our district has decided to let untrained people make medical decisions.
 
2020-10-20 11:33:19 AM  

Kit Fister: stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.

pssst, you kjnow that they use leeches in modern surgery, right?


and maggots. but the purpose is a little different now, microsurgery vs systematic bloodletting.
 
2020-10-20 11:39:13 AM  

thehobbes: Kit Fister: stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.

pssst, you kjnow that they use leeches in modern surgery, right?

and maggots. but the purpose is a little different now, microsurgery vs systematic bloodletting.


Absolutely true. And, we've found that some folk remedies from the past have similar medicinal effects as medications today.

Guess my only point was that medical science has figured out a lot of shiat, but has also found that the old practices, whether by luck or whatever, actually weren't stupid/crazy.
 
2020-10-20 11:39:25 AM  

Kit Fister: thehobbes: Kit Fister: stevenboof: It's a damn shame that medical science hasn't changed since Medieval times.  Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find some leeches for my daily bloodletting.  Really trying to get rid of a curse that a witch put on me and the snake oil just hasn't been working as well as it used to.

pssst, you kjnow that they use leeches in modern surgery, right?

and maggots. but the purpose is a little different now, microsurgery vs systematic bloodletting.

Absolutely true. And, we've found that some folk remedies from the past have similar medicinal effects as medications today.

Guess my only point was that medical science has figured out a lot of shiat, but has also found that the old practices, whether by luck or whatever, actually weren't stupid/crazy.


at least, not all of them.
 
2020-10-20 11:47:52 AM  

Kit Fister: Guess my only point was that medical science has figured out a lot of shiat, but has also found that the old practices, whether by luck or whatever, actually weren't stupid/crazy.


I recall such a story involving a missionary in a tribal area. Missionary kid fell sick, family wanted to give him antibiotics.  Tribal leader said they had a cure since this was common for them. Something involving putting stuff together to rot.  Turns out the rotting thing they made generated a crude form of penicillin (or something) and worked.
 
2020-10-20 11:50:21 AM  
Bubonic plague has a lot more than a 300 year history.  Closer to 1400 years and still counting.
 
2020-10-20 11:53:20 AM  
Medieval plague spread faster through England as the centuries past...

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2020-10-20 12:02:29 PM  

JuggleGeek: Bubonic plague has a lot more than a 300 year history.  Closer to 1400 years and still counting.


More like thousands.

I saw a PBS show that was about horses and how they helped spread the first Indo-European languages. The first speakers had a certain level of resistance to the plague and when they went invading, they spread the plague with them. That made it easier to conquer others and assert cultural and linguistic dominance over others.
 
2020-10-20 12:27:52 PM  
Also, the study doesn't take into account that England back in 1348 had other issues that would have an effect on the plague spreading. There were a lot of years with wheat famine or shortage of other cereal crops, so a lot of people were sick or dead from malnutrition. That and no food surplus means less rats to feast on the excess, thereby leading to a smaller rat and flea population. And considering that the plague usually came from ships coming from the Middle East in the 1300s (mostly for trade reasons), it makes sense that the spread would be as bad. If the rich aren't making money from taxes and other fees due to everyone starving, they're not going to be spending money on luxury goods like spices and silks from the East. Hence less ships from areas known for the plague.

By the 1660s, it wasn't as bad. There weren't as many feast or famine years where food supply was a major issue. That meant more people could live in the city where money could be made, hence the issues of overcrowding. That and the city of London and the rest of England actually took measures to slow down the spread like quarantining ships and people, as well as cleaning up the streets to remove the filth and dead bodies.

Sure, overcrowding may help it spread faster. But the plague killed off 1/3 of Europe's population when nearly everyone was agrarian and living in more rural areas.
 
2020-10-20 1:37:18 PM  
Huh?. We have something close to the exact opposite living conditions. We have running water, closed sewer systems, soap and other disinfectants, filtered and tempered HVAC systems, masks, and 8 centuries of advances in medical science including germ theory and hand washing, etc etc etc

So much dumb.
 
2020-10-20 8:40:28 PM  

thehobbes: Hyjamon: thehobbes: Luckily, children can't be asymptomatic carriers of the virus.

haha, it is true.  letter from kids principle this morning (and why schools being open is a bad idea)

We take the health and safety of our students and staff very seriously in the School District.  It is a shared expectation that parents, guardians and students not only take their own health and safety seriously, but that they make the health and safety of students, teachers, and staff THE priority now that we have resumed face to face instruction in our schools.

Unfortunately, there have been some instances where students have entered our school buildings with observable and measurable symptoms of illness and/or knowingly awaiting COVID test results.  And in some rare cases, they have even lied about this. I cannot stress enough how irresponsible this behavior is, as it compromises the health and safety of every student and staff member in a school building and jeopardizes all students' ability to receive face-to-face instruction.

oh she mad.  We been at 75% of students in full-time face-to-face on Oct 14th.  already having kids having to quarantine.

/hence mine are in virtual for the foreseeable year and next.

Yup. Had a girl not feeling good Tuesday, came to school. Test came back positive Sunday.

Half the class is quarantined now. It should be everyone in the room since airborne but our district has decided to let untrained people make medical decisions.


Are all the students back or is your district using a hybrid approach?

Our schools are hybrid with parents having the option of completely virtual learning. Almost every teacher is balancing teaching students in class, as well as students who are at home....but they aren't able to teach those at home synchronously. Thus, they teach all day and then respond to emails all night.
 
2020-10-20 11:42:45 PM  

Orangeness: thehobbes: Hyjamon: thehobbes: Luckily, children can't be asymptomatic carriers of the virus.

haha, it is true.  letter from kids principle this morning (and why schools being open is a bad idea)

We take the health and safety of our students and staff very seriously in the School District.  It is a shared expectation that parents, guardians and students not only take their own health and safety seriously, but that they make the health and safety of students, teachers, and staff THE priority now that we have resumed face to face instruction in our schools.

Unfortunately, there have been some instances where students have entered our school buildings with observable and measurable symptoms of illness and/or knowingly awaiting COVID test results.  And in some rare cases, they have even lied about this. I cannot stress enough how irresponsible this behavior is, as it compromises the health and safety of every student and staff member in a school building and jeopardizes all students' ability to receive face-to-face instruction.

oh she mad.  We been at 75% of students in full-time face-to-face on Oct 14th.  already having kids having to quarantine.

/hence mine are in virtual for the foreseeable year and next.

Yup. Had a girl not feeling good Tuesday, came to school. Test came back positive Sunday.

Half the class is quarantined now. It should be everyone in the room since airborne but our district has decided to let untrained people make medical decisions.

Are all the students back or is your district using a hybrid approach?

Our schools are hybrid with parents having the option of completely virtual learning. Almost every teacher is balancing teaching students in class, as well as students who are at home....but they aren't able to teach those at home synchronously. Thus, they teach all day and then respond to emails all night.


it is hybrid.  parents had the option for all virtual for fall; they are still debating spring.  we will homeschool if need be.

started with all online except special needs...then some could come back 1 day a week for early grades, two weeks later 50% of all grades can come two days a week and then two more weeks later 75% are going full time.  25% still elected to stay all virtual.  the teachers are doing both in class and online activities at the same time.  I think they ramped up the phases too fast.

it was really nice when it was all virtual.  they do synchronously.  now that they are trying to serve two audiences, the online part suffers.  fortunate enough that my wife and I can keep them on track and fill in the gaps.  they are 3rd and 1st grade, so not too much to worry about...reading, basic science and basic math.

But we are loved the 8:15 start time vs. 6am to catch the 7am bus.  we can wake them at 8:00 and get them in front of the computer with breakfast at 8:15.  it moved to 7:40 when the other kids went back, still better than needing a 6am alarm.
 
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