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(Yahoo)   There have been many odd things about 2020, but Joe Buck and Troy Aikman being caught on a hot mike saying something most of us actually agree with might be one of the most unlikely   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line
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2020-10-20 1:23:35 AM  
26 votes:
Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.
 
2020-10-20 1:20:58 AM  
26 votes:
Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."
 
2020-10-20 5:41:20 AM  
23 votes:
That bullshiat started after 9/11.  The military gives the NFL thousands of dollars for the onfield stuff for recruiting purposes.
 
2020-10-20 1:56:12 AM  
21 votes:

vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.


Do F18 carrier air groups have trouble getting enough flight hours in?
Really?
 
2020-10-20 2:00:03 AM  
20 votes:

vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.


Fark this shiat.
 
2020-10-20 6:56:42 AM  
17 votes:

rightClick: relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?

He's still not recovered from his 422 concussions.


It means even Troy Boy can see through Trump's false tough-guy facade, and that he believes a Biden administration will focus the efforts of the Federal government on things that will have a real benefit to society.

It also means a couple of my Cowboy fan Trumper friends, who have had man crushes on Aikman since 1993, are going to have a tough time reconciling their beliefs, lol.
 
2020-10-20 2:22:10 AM  
17 votes:
"That's your heard earned money, and your tax dollars at work..."

And there it is...  Joe Buck's greatest call of all time...
 
2020-10-20 2:06:50 AM  
13 votes:
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2020-10-20 6:36:25 AM  
12 votes:

vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.


A lot of people don't get that, no matter how many times you repeat it. I remember many a year where the leadership canceled flight after flight for months to make sure there was enough fuel to make it through to the end of the fiscal year only to have three lines every day in the last month of the fiscal year to make sure they used it all when they miscalculated.

If they're going to fly, and they are, where they fly to is pretty much irrelevant. That won't change if Biden wins. It was very interesting learning their political leanings, though. Troy's popularity in Texas just hit the wall, and Joe Buck may have gained a few fans.
 
2020-10-20 6:15:46 AM  
10 votes:
This is no more idiotic than doing a flyover for a Super Bowl in a domed stadium.

Which is to say pretty idiotic.
 
2020-10-20 10:57:08 AM  
9 votes:

DoBeDoBeDo: This is no more idiotic than doing a flyover for a Super Bowl in a domed stadium.

Which is to say pretty idiotic.


My favorite is when the broadcast has "blimp coverage" in a domed stadium. They'll show shots from the blimp...of the roof.
 
2020-10-20 4:51:16 AM  
9 votes:
Given the choice between a group of pilots who are trying to fulfill their training hours and an announcer who likes to piss in working class kids' shoes, the choice to me is obvious.  Joe Buck is still an asshole.
 
2020-10-20 6:56:45 AM  
8 votes:

stan unusual: Do F18 carrier air groups have trouble getting enough flight hours in?
Really?


Carriers are in port for maintenance far more often than they are out to sea. Their air wings spend more time training from their home base than deployed.
 
2020-10-20 6:27:03 AM  
8 votes:
Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?
 
2020-10-20 2:44:43 AM  
8 votes:
A10s constantly fly over my house training, timing them for a game or 4th of july parade would be nothing.


I like going to va beach and hearing the constant roar from oceana
 
2020-10-20 3:10:55 AM  
7 votes:

thecactusman17: Damn, beat to the punch.

Im ok with the flyovers, they provide a useful training purpose for air crews and would largely be done elsewhere otherwise. The idea that the US military can coordinate an attack to coincide with a musical flourish is actually good news for preventing unnecessary casualties, it just highlights how much attention to detail goes into these attacks.

All of thay being said, fark Joe Buck in particular.  I hope he never escapes this. He consistently denigrates any team that doesn't play on the east coast especially outside of football. He is the aluminum standard for shiat-tier sports broadcasting.


Escape what, exactly?
 
2020-10-20 10:53:44 AM  
6 votes:
I'm as pro-Biden/Harris as anyone, but I don't think "stopping flyovers during football games" is at the top of their priority list
 
2020-10-20 6:40:00 AM  
6 votes:

relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?


He's still not recovered from his 422 concussions.
 
2020-10-20 2:24:36 AM  
6 votes:
Damn, beat to the punch.

Im ok with the flyovers, they provide a useful training purpose for air crews and would largely be done elsewhere otherwise. The idea that the US military can coordinate an attack to coincide with a musical flourish is actually good news for preventing unnecessary casualties, it just highlights how much attention to detail goes into these attacks.

All of thay being said, fark Joe Buck in particular.  I hope he never escapes this. He consistently denigrates any team that doesn't play on the east coast especially outside of football. He is the aluminum standard for shiat-tier sports broadcasting.
 
2020-10-20 4:53:48 AM  
5 votes:
When is the last time American fighter pilots got in a dogfight with the enemy, exactly?
 
2020-10-20 4:45:12 AM  
5 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: NewportBarGuy: [Fark user image image 425x252]

Is that DC or Red Square?


yes
 
2020-10-20 1:15:53 AM  
5 votes:
Lol
 
2020-10-20 11:35:10 AM  
4 votes:

stan unusual: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Do F18 carrier air groups have trouble getting enough flight hours in?
Really?


You are STILL coming at it from the wrong direction, thinking it's 1000 hours of flying for quals + 1 hour of flybys = 1001 hours, when it's 999 hours of flying for quals + 1 hour for flybys = 1000 hours for quals. 

In both cases you need 1000 flight hours. In both cases you get 1000 hours of flight hours. 

Flying is like PT. Running in a circle isn't combat. But you need to do it to keep fit. Not every second in the air for quals is dogfighting and bombing runs. Sometimes you just need to fly around. So why not do a flyby?
 
2020-10-20 7:20:51 AM  
4 votes:

runwiz: What I want to know is why is it limited just to flyovers?  Why not practice bombing and strafing runs?


They do practice that.  Flyovers are time-on-target exercises.  Take off and navigate to fly over the stadium at a certain angle right as the anthem singer gets to "Home of the Brave".  It's practice to show they can get to a certain target a certain way at an exact specified time.  That it makes a big show is only secondary.

stan unusual: Do F18 carrier air groups have trouble getting enough flight hours in?
Really?


Did you even read their post?  They said that they don't add to it.  They're doing this instead of a different exercise they would have used the same fuel on, and if their carrier is sitting in port they're sitting at an airfield doing training exercises anyways.
 
2020-10-20 11:39:22 AM  
3 votes:

vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.


Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.
 
2020-10-20 9:47:35 AM  
3 votes:

thecactusman17: Damn, beat to the punch.

Im ok with the flyovers, they provide a useful training purpose for air crews and would largely be done elsewhere otherwise. The idea that the US military can coordinate an attack to coincide with a musical flourish is actually good news for preventing unnecessary casualties, it just highlights how much attention to detail goes into these attacks.

All of thay being said, fark Joe Buck in particular.  I hope he never escapes this. He consistently denigrates any team that doesn't play on the east coast especially outside of football. He is the aluminum standard for shiat-tier sports broadcasting.


What's aluminum ever done to you to be insulted like that?
 
2020-10-20 7:46:09 AM  
3 votes:

Jake Havechek: That bullshiat started after 9/11.  The military gives the NFL thousands of dollars for the onfield stuff for recruiting purposes.


I think the program is called "Pay for Patriotism".
 
2020-10-20 7:04:15 AM  
3 votes:

relaxitsjustme: The few times I've been to a sporting event the flyover didn't happen like it does on TV.  The producers show the tape when they want, not when the jets were actually going overhead.


Hmm. I've seen two flyovers, both of which were on 4th of July Braves games, and they came over right at about the "Home of the Brave" part.

The games themselves were unremarkable besides the crushing heat.  You don't want to sit in a concrete bowl in the July sun in Atlanta if you can avoid it.
 
2020-10-20 4:26:24 AM  
3 votes:

NewportBarGuy: [Fark user image image 425x252]


Is that DC or Red Square?
 
2020-10-20 2:35:33 AM  
3 votes:

stan unusual: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Do F18 carrier air groups have trouble getting enough flight hours in?
Really?


Probably not. At a guess.
 
2020-10-20 1:07:42 PM  
2 votes:

deadsanta: johnny_vegas: edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.

Simulator time does count towards training time but not towards flying hours. So as long as these flyovers come at the expense of those budgeted flying hours it is not an additional expense to the taxpayer.

"Military officials say the fly-bys boost recruiting efforts and give Americans an opportunity to see their aircraft in action. Officials also insist that flyovers don't cost taxpayers any additional money because each flyover counts as a pre-budgeted training flight.
"Baloney," said Winslow Wheeler, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. "It's atrocious training. They're flying from Point A to Point B. They're doing a couple of sort of low-altitude passes over the events and they go home. That's what pilots call 'converting gas to noise.' "

From this article in the LATimes. https://www.latimes.com/archi​ves/la-xpm-2008-feb-17-adna-flyover17-​story.html


If you would like to quantify the effectiveness of the flyover as training rather than just flying hours, that's probably a different argument than the flyovers cost the taxpayer extra money.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/coronavirus​/​fact-check-military-flyovers-are-expen​sive-but-wont-cost-taxpayers-extra
 
2020-10-20 12:28:23 PM  
2 votes:

edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.


So Buckley AFB isn't just outside of the Denver Metro Area?
Miramar isn't near San Diego?

Gimme a break. I can see why you aren't a military advisor anymore.
 
2020-10-20 10:27:28 AM  
2 votes:

runwiz: What I want to know is why is it limited just to flyovers?  Why not practice bombing and strafing runs?


Odds are they are practicing that with the flyover. Stadium acts as the target, they're forced to try and hit it at an exact time, which is done a lot in real attacks.
 
2020-10-20 9:45:32 AM  
2 votes:
That's a lot of jet fuel

McDill is roughly 10 miles from RJS. An F-16 gets about 0.7 mpg at cruise. And there were four planes. Let's say the planes actually flew 50 miles all said and done. So that's:

50 miles * 4 / 0.7 (miles/ga) = 285 gallons

So, yeah, not a lot of fuel.
 
2020-10-20 9:29:04 AM  
2 votes:
"That stuff ain't happening with [a] Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."

they were saying the flyover was a waste, but given it's the nfl, that sounds like a trump endorsement to many in the audience
 
2020-10-20 9:11:19 AM  
2 votes:

ChrisDe: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Citation needed.


https://www.wcpo.com/news/coronavirus​/​fact-check-military-flyovers-are-expen​sive-but-wont-cost-taxpayers-extra
 
2020-10-20 9:10:32 AM  
2 votes:

relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?


I think Troy's analysis here is incorrect.  Flyovers at NFL games and other major sporting events seem to be a bipartisan act.  They will continue regardless of the election outcome.
 
2020-10-20 7:36:39 AM  
2 votes:

relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?



I couldn't tell if Troy was slamming the flyovers or the Dem ticket.
 
2020-10-20 7:31:54 AM  
2 votes:
That wasn't a mistake
 
2020-10-20 6:25:13 AM  
2 votes:
The few times I've been to a sporting event the flyover didn't happen like it does on TV.  The producers show the tape when they want, not when the jets were actually going overhead.
 
2020-10-20 1:54:37 AM  
2 votes:

Ken S.: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."


It's in their platform.  They've also got some pro-tailgating measures and a beer subsidy
 
2020-10-20 9:35:49 PM  
1 vote:
How can anyone say that ineffective training at taxpayer expense isn't a waste of taxpayer money, when all the experts are on record saying that flyovers are shiat for training and cost as much as any other use of a jet for that airtime?

I can't believe I'm saying this... BUT I AGREE WITH JOE BUCK! Oh God I need to shower.
 
2020-10-20 7:40:03 PM  
1 vote:

relaxitsjustme: Rapmaster2000: relaxitsjustme: The few times I've been to a sporting event the flyover didn't happen like it does on TV.  The producers show the tape when they want, not when the jets were actually going overhead.

Hmm. I've seen two flyovers, both of which were on 4th of July Braves games, and they came over right at about the "Home of the Brave" part.

The games themselves were unremarkable besides the crushing heat.  You don't want to sit in a concrete bowl in the July sun in Atlanta if you can avoid it.

The ones I saw were at the Pro Bowl and they were way early


I guarantee the planes were there at the time that they are given to get there.  I cannot say the same for the public address or the singer/band.
 
2020-10-20 2:02:40 PM  
1 vote:
Sarcasm is dead.
 
2020-10-20 1:30:57 PM  
1 vote:

deadsanta: johnny_vegas: edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.

Simulator time does count towards training time but not towards flying hours. So as long as these flyovers come at the expense of those budgeted flying hours it is not an additional expense to the taxpayer.

"Military officials say the fly-bys boost recruiting efforts and give Americans an opportunity to see their aircraft in action. Officials also insist that flyovers don't cost taxpayers any additional money because each flyover counts as a pre-budgeted training flight.
"Baloney," said Winslow Wheeler, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. "It's atrocious training. They're flying from Point A to Point B. They're doing a couple of sort of low-altitude passes over the events and they go home. That's what pilots call 'converting gas to noise.' "

From this article in the LATimes. https://www.latimes.com/archi​ves/la-xpm-2008-feb-17-adna-flyover17-​story.html


You can look at it from the numbers perspective only and it doesn't matter where they fly. Flight hours are flight hours and you can practice time on target for the same amount of money over your base vs. over a stadium. What the numbers can't quantify is just what that advertising is doing for military recruiting and support for the military.

When the Thunderbirds fly over a USAFA football game, for example, the cadets are proud and dreaming that they might be up there someday soon. The fans get to see part of the power and precision of the Air Force. There are so many intangibles that go along with it. You don't get that with just flight time in a simulator.
 
2020-10-20 1:07:05 PM  
1 vote:

KiwDaWabbit: Ken S.: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."

He got hit in the head. A lot. Take that as you will.


Yes, he got hit in the head. A lot. And he's STILL smarter than a Trump Voter.
 
2020-10-20 12:10:48 PM  
1 vote:

edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.


Simulator time does count towards training time but not towards flying hours. So as long as these flyovers come at the expense of those budgeted flying hours it is not an additional expense to the taxpayer.
 
2020-10-20 10:43:27 AM  
1 vote:

relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?


It means Aikman realizes Biden is the Trojan horse on the ticket...and if he wins he won't be President for very long.
 
2020-10-20 10:11:52 AM  
1 vote:
Have you ever noticed that every NFL fanbase complains that Joe Buck hates their team? It's laughable that people think he gives a shiat who wins the game.
 
2020-10-20 10:04:06 AM  
1 vote:
Wait, so Joe Buck is upset that people are pissing away tax payer dollars?
 
2020-10-20 10:02:52 AM  
1 vote:
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2020-10-20 9:12:19 AM  
1 vote:
Was golfing in Wisconsin a few years back when the squadron(?) heading to Lambeau went over our heads just before kick-off.

Pretty cool to see, and quite the coincidence too, since we were some 70 miles away in Wautoma, and since they only had a very few minutes to get to the stadium by noon, I gathered that those were some pretty fast planes.
 
2020-10-20 8:56:38 AM  
1 vote:

Confabulat: When is the last time American fighter pilots got in a dogfight with the enemy, exactly?


2017
 
2020-10-20 8:51:52 AM  
1 vote:
Ugh....this is why they should always mute those 2.
 
2020-10-20 7:40:38 AM  
1 vote:
Great. Now I like Joe Buck. Will 2020 ever give us a break?!?
 
2020-10-20 5:32:24 AM  
1 vote:
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2020-10-20 2:57:52 AM  
1 vote:

Naido: Ken S.: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."

It's in their platform.  They've also got some pro-tailgating measures and a beer subsidy


They already have the Buffalo vote locked up with the promise of free folding tables.
 
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