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(Yahoo)   There have been many odd things about 2020, but Joe Buck and Troy Aikman being caught on a hot mike saying something most of us actually agree with might be one of the most unlikely   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line
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2020-10-20 9:54:00 AM  

ChrisDe: I did laugh at this comment: "Will they be dropping testing kits?"


That would be great practice for close air support!
 
2020-10-20 9:55:28 AM  

runwiz: What I want to know is why is it limited just to flyovers?  Why not practice bombing and strafing runs?


Have you not seen a single Jets game?
 
2020-10-20 10:02:52 AM  
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2020-10-20 10:03:46 AM  
He was actually pretty funny on Brockmire
 
2020-10-20 10:04:06 AM  
Wait, so Joe Buck is upset that people are pissing away tax payer dollars?
 
2020-10-20 10:11:52 AM  
Have you ever noticed that every NFL fanbase complains that Joe Buck hates their team? It's laughable that people think he gives a shiat who wins the game.
 
2020-10-20 10:19:42 AM  
Well, at least my tax dollars aren't going towards hiring the talent to sing the National Anthem.
 
2020-10-20 10:27:28 AM  

runwiz: What I want to know is why is it limited just to flyovers?  Why not practice bombing and strafing runs?


Odds are they are practicing that with the flyover. Stadium acts as the target, they're forced to try and hit it at an exact time, which is done a lot in real attacks.
 
2020-10-20 10:43:27 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?


It means Aikman realizes Biden is the Trojan horse on the ticket...and if he wins he won't be President for very long.
 
2020-10-20 10:53:44 AM  
I'm as pro-Biden/Harris as anyone, but I don't think "stopping flyovers during football games" is at the top of their priority list
 
2020-10-20 10:57:08 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: This is no more idiotic than doing a flyover for a Super Bowl in a domed stadium.

Which is to say pretty idiotic.


My favorite is when the broadcast has "blimp coverage" in a domed stadium. They'll show shots from the blimp...of the roof.
 
2020-10-20 11:31:27 AM  

thecactusman17: Damn, beat to the punch.

Im ok with the flyovers, they provide a useful training purpose for air crews and would largely be done elsewhere otherwise. The idea that the US military can coordinate an attack to coincide with a musical flourish is actually good news for preventing unnecessary casualties, it just highlights how much attention to detail goes into these attacks.

All of thay being said, fark Joe Buck in particular.  I hope he never escapes this. He consistently denigrates any team that doesn't play on the east coast especially outside of football. He is the aluminum standard for shiat-tier sports broadcasting.


Who pissed in your gym locker?
 
2020-10-20 11:35:10 AM  

stan unusual: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Do F18 carrier air groups have trouble getting enough flight hours in?
Really?


You are STILL coming at it from the wrong direction, thinking it's 1000 hours of flying for quals + 1 hour of flybys = 1001 hours, when it's 999 hours of flying for quals + 1 hour for flybys = 1000 hours for quals. 

In both cases you need 1000 flight hours. In both cases you get 1000 hours of flight hours. 

Flying is like PT. Running in a circle isn't combat. But you need to do it to keep fit. Not every second in the air for quals is dogfighting and bombing runs. Sometimes you just need to fly around. So why not do a flyby?
 
2020-10-20 11:36:29 AM  

NewportBarGuy: runwiz: What I want to know is why is it limited just to flyovers?  Why not practice bombing and strafing runs?

Have you not seen a single Jets game?


They're more on target with bombing and strafing runs than the Jets offense.
 
2020-10-20 11:38:33 AM  

vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.


My argument for the flyovers wouldn't be training time. The reason is that they could fly anywhere, the only reason they do it at a game is for the public attention. I think a better reason is this:

Why are games being played in the first place? Because there's value in having games being played. Money is being circulated, people are working, people are getting entertainment value at a time when life is shiatty for many people. Ancillary things like a flyover are part of that. There's no reason to have the games and make it as dreary an experience as possible. I think their minds are in the right place but I disagree with their take on it.
 
2020-10-20 11:39:22 AM  

vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.


Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.
 
2020-10-20 11:44:43 AM  

edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.


NAS Oceana to DC is like, what, 15 minutes in an F-18 at cruise?
 
2020-10-20 12:10:48 PM  

edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.


Simulator time does count towards training time but not towards flying hours. So as long as these flyovers come at the expense of those budgeted flying hours it is not an additional expense to the taxpayer.
 
2020-10-20 12:18:17 PM  

johnny_vegas: Confabulat: When is the last time American fighter pilots got in a dogfight with the enemy, exactly?

2017


There hasn't been a naval engagement with an enemy us engaging ship to ship between major surface combatants since WWII.
 
2020-10-20 12:22:10 PM  

advex101: johnny_vegas: Confabulat: When is the last time American fighter pilots got in a dogfight with the enemy, exactly?

2017

There hasn't been a naval engagement with an enemy us engaging us ship to ship between major surface combatants since WWII.


FTFM
 
2020-10-20 12:27:07 PM  

Jake Havechek: That bullshiat started after 9/11.  The military gives the NFL thousands of dollars for the onfield stuff for recruiting purposes.


So wrong. They date back to 1918.


https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-h​istory-magazine/2020/june/praise-above​-american-tradition-military-flyover#:​~:text=Perhaps%20the%20first%20militar​y%20flyover,shutout%20pitching%20of%20​Babe%20Ruth.
 
2020-10-20 12:28:23 PM  

edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.


So Buckley AFB isn't just outside of the Denver Metro Area?
Miramar isn't near San Diego?

Gimme a break. I can see why you aren't a military advisor anymore.
 
2020-10-20 12:47:47 PM  

FriarED1: edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.

So Buckley AFB isn't just outside of the Denver Metro Area?
Miramar isn't near San Diego?

Gimme a break. I can see why you aren't a military advisor anymore.


MacDill AFB is in Tampa so I can see your point. Still a waste of time and money for a 1/3 filled stadium. But hey, Tom Brady!
 
2020-10-20 12:52:40 PM  

Ken S.: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."


He got hit in the head. A lot. Take that as you will.
 
2020-10-20 12:55:46 PM  

runwiz: What I want to know is why is it limited just to flyovers?  Why not practice bombing and strafing runs?


Use an obviously empty Factory of Sadness as the first target.
 
2020-10-20 12:57:48 PM  

ChrisDe: johnny_vegas: Confabulat: When is the last time American fighter pilots got in a dogfight with the enemy, exactly?

2017

Over a football stadium?


No, I don't think Oakland is over a football stadium.
 
2020-10-20 12:58:04 PM  

johnny_vegas: edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.

Simulator time does count towards training time but not towards flying hours. So as long as these flyovers come at the expense of those budgeted flying hours it is not an additional expense to the taxpayer.


"Military officials say the fly-bys boost recruiting efforts and give Americans an opportunity to see their aircraft in action. Officials also insist that flyovers don't cost taxpayers any additional money because each flyover counts as a pre-budgeted training flight.
"Baloney," said Winslow Wheeler, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. "It's atrocious training. They're flying from Point A to Point B. They're doing a couple of sort of low-altitude passes over the events and they go home. That's what pilots call 'converting gas to noise.' "

From this article in the LATimes. https://www.latimes.com/arch​ives/la-xp​m-2008-feb-17-adna-flyover17-story.htm​l
 
2020-10-20 1:00:44 PM  

H31N0US: rightClick: relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?

He's still not recovered from his 422 concussions.

It means even Troy Boy can see through Trump's false tough-guy facade, and that he believes a Biden administration will focus the efforts of the Federal government on things that will have a real benefit to society.

It also means a couple of my Cowboy fan Trumper friends, who have had man crushes on Aikman since 1993, are going to have a tough time reconciling their beliefs, lol.


I don't know whether or not Aikman supports President Poopy Diapers, but he's a staunch Republican who has decried all of the protesting against police violence, donated to Bush 43, McCain, Romney, and the RNC. Now, none of those things mean that he supports the current occupant of the White House, but one could make a fairly informed guess on who he doesn't support in this race.
 
2020-10-20 1:02:31 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: H31N0US: rightClick: relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?

He's still not recovered from his 422 concussions.

It means even Troy Boy can see through Trump's false tough-guy facade, and that he believes a Biden administration will focus the efforts of the Federal government on things that will have a real benefit to society.

It also means a couple of my Cowboy fan Trumper friends, who have had man crushes on Aikman since 1993, are going to have a tough time reconciling their beliefs, lol.

I don't know whether or not Aikman supports President Poopy Diapers, but he's a staunch Republican who has decried all of the protesting against police violence, donated to Bush 43, McCain, Romney, and the RNC. Now, none of those things mean that he supports the current occupant of the White House, but one could make a fairly informed guess on who he doesn't support in this race.


Also, I want to mention that this is all from a quick Google search. I haven't been tracking the guy's whole life. The sources may or may not be suspect.
 
2020-10-20 1:07:05 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Ken S.: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."

He got hit in the head. A lot. Take that as you will.


Yes, he got hit in the head. A lot. And he's STILL smarter than a Trump Voter.
 
2020-10-20 1:07:42 PM  

deadsanta: johnny_vegas: edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.

Simulator time does count towards training time but not towards flying hours. So as long as these flyovers come at the expense of those budgeted flying hours it is not an additional expense to the taxpayer.

"Military officials say the fly-bys boost recruiting efforts and give Americans an opportunity to see their aircraft in action. Officials also insist that flyovers don't cost taxpayers any additional money because each flyover counts as a pre-budgeted training flight.
"Baloney," said Winslow Wheeler, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. "It's atrocious training. They're flying from Point A to Point B. They're doing a couple of sort of low-altitude passes over the events and they go home. That's what pilots call 'converting gas to noise.' "

From this article in the LATimes. https://www.latimes.com/archi​ves/la-xpm-2008-feb-17-adna-flyover17-​story.html


If you would like to quantify the effectiveness of the flyover as training rather than just flying hours, that's probably a different argument than the flyovers cost the taxpayer extra money.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/coronavirus​/​fact-check-military-flyovers-are-expen​sive-but-wont-cost-taxpayers-extra
 
2020-10-20 1:22:18 PM  

Combustion: KiwDaWabbit: Ken S.: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."

He got hit in the head. A lot. Take that as you will.

Yes, he got hit in the head. A lot. And he's STILL smarter than a Trump Voter.


It's a fairly distinct possibility that he is one.
 
2020-10-20 1:30:57 PM  

deadsanta: johnny_vegas: edmo: vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise.

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.

Yeah, it does. I was a military aviator.

A flyover is a very simple timing exercise that you could practice in a simulator. Time spent doing that is time not spent flying on ranges with actual targets to go against and threats to defend against, not to mention additional hours in the air transiting to and from major metropolitan areas which are not, last I checked, anywhere near military training areas.

Simulator time does count towards training time but not towards flying hours. So as long as these flyovers come at the expense of those budgeted flying hours it is not an additional expense to the taxpayer.

"Military officials say the fly-bys boost recruiting efforts and give Americans an opportunity to see their aircraft in action. Officials also insist that flyovers don't cost taxpayers any additional money because each flyover counts as a pre-budgeted training flight.
"Baloney," said Winslow Wheeler, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. "It's atrocious training. They're flying from Point A to Point B. They're doing a couple of sort of low-altitude passes over the events and they go home. That's what pilots call 'converting gas to noise.' "

From this article in the LATimes. https://www.latimes.com/archi​ves/la-xpm-2008-feb-17-adna-flyover17-​story.html


You can look at it from the numbers perspective only and it doesn't matter where they fly. Flight hours are flight hours and you can practice time on target for the same amount of money over your base vs. over a stadium. What the numbers can't quantify is just what that advertising is doing for military recruiting and support for the military.

When the Thunderbirds fly over a USAFA football game, for example, the cadets are proud and dreaming that they might be up there someday soon. The fans get to see part of the power and precision of the Air Force. There are so many intangibles that go along with it. You don't get that with just flight time in a simulator.
 
2020-10-20 2:02:40 PM  
Sarcasm is dead.
 
2020-10-20 3:02:30 PM  

vygramul: Uh, the flyover is just an excuse. Aviators need flight hours to maintain quals and flyovers don't ADD to that, they do flyovers instead of whatever boring shiat they would do otherwise. 

So, no, it doesn't waste taxpayer money.


^^^THIS^^^

Aikman, Buck, and subby are all idiots.

Pilots have to fly, and a flyover is at least a change of scenery for the pilots. Instead of flying over some boring patch of desert, they get to do a stadium flyover. Either way, those jets and pilots were going to be up in the air.
 
2020-10-20 3:05:17 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Aikman: "That stuff ain't happening with Kamala-Biden ticket, I'll tell you that right now partner."  WTF does that even mean?


It means that Aikman obviously took too many shots to the head. As has been mentioned, regardless of where the planes are, the flight is going to take place, and that will remain the same under Biden.
 
2020-10-20 3:13:48 PM  

advex101: advex101: johnny_vegas: Confabulat: When is the last time American fighter pilots got in a dogfight with the enemy, exactly?

2017

There hasn't been a naval engagement with an enemy us engaging us ship to ship between major surface combatants since WWII.

FTFM


Doesn't mean that we shouldn't know how to handle these attacks. That's like people who say "We don't need the A-10 anymore because we currently don't attack ground targets.". Just because we don't currently fight in a certain way, it doesn't mean that we should just forget how.
 
2020-10-20 4:07:36 PM  
The flyover is my favorite part of the game!  And I am a football fan!
 
2020-10-20 5:39:16 PM  

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Which is something Trump desperately wanted and never really got.  (I think there was an attempt of sorts once.)
 
2020-10-20 5:42:14 PM  

Combustion: DoBeDoBeDo: This is no more idiotic than doing a flyover for a Super Bowl in a domed stadium.

Which is to say pretty idiotic.

My favorite is when the broadcast has "blimp coverage" in a domed stadium. They'll show shots from the blimp...of the roof.


Of course, all of those are basically ads for Goodyear, so, meh.
 
2020-10-20 6:08:51 PM  

Rapmaster2000: relaxitsjustme: The few times I've been to a sporting event the flyover didn't happen like it does on TV.  The producers show the tape when they want, not when the jets were actually going overhead.

Hmm. I've seen two flyovers, both of which were on 4th of July Braves games, and they came over right at about the "Home of the Brave" part.

The games themselves were unremarkable besides the crushing heat.  You don't want to sit in a concrete bowl in the July sun in Atlanta if you can avoid it.


The ones I saw were at the Pro Bowl and they were way early
 
2020-10-20 7:40:03 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Rapmaster2000: relaxitsjustme: The few times I've been to a sporting event the flyover didn't happen like it does on TV.  The producers show the tape when they want, not when the jets were actually going overhead.

Hmm. I've seen two flyovers, both of which were on 4th of July Braves games, and they came over right at about the "Home of the Brave" part.

The games themselves were unremarkable besides the crushing heat.  You don't want to sit in a concrete bowl in the July sun in Atlanta if you can avoid it.

The ones I saw were at the Pro Bowl and they were way early


I guarantee the planes were there at the time that they are given to get there.  I cannot say the same for the public address or the singer/band.
 
2020-10-20 9:35:49 PM  
How can anyone say that ineffective training at taxpayer expense isn't a waste of taxpayer money, when all the experts are on record saying that flyovers are shiat for training and cost as much as any other use of a jet for that airtime?

I can't believe I'm saying this... BUT I AGREE WITH JOE BUCK! Oh God I need to shower.
 
2020-10-20 9:46:18 PM  

deadsanta: How can anyone say that ineffective training at taxpayer expense isn't a waste of taxpayer money, when all the experts are on record saying that flyovers are shiat for training and cost as much as any other use of a jet for that airtime?

I can't believe I'm saying this... BUT I AGREE WITH JOE BUCK! Oh God I need to shower.


Just curious if you can define "all the experts"?  Can you define the specific training that is being skipped for these flyovers?  Or what training is being counted as part of the fly overs ?
 
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