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2020-10-20 2:31:05 AM  
36 votes:
They're disillusioned about a system by the people, for the people, that only seems to care about the rich? I'm so baffled.
 
2020-10-20 2:36:19 AM  
32 votes:

jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.


Nice try, Boomer.
 
2020-10-19 9:57:19 PM  
28 votes:
They would feel better about it it were even slightly functional
 
2020-10-20 2:53:09 AM  
22 votes:

jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.


Gee, Boomer, which generation had everything handed to them?

FTAThe main reason behind the disillusion with democracy among young people was inequality of wealth and income, the report said, citing figures showing that Millennials make up around a quarter of the U.S. population but hold just 3% of the wealth. Baby Boomers held 21% of the wealth at the same age.
 
2020-10-20 6:53:02 AM  
17 votes:
Boomers: "We have set up the economy to extract all wealth and labour from you and give it to enormous corporations. You will be indebted forever and will never enjoy the financial stability and security we do."

Millennials: "I don't want that."

Boomers: "Too bad, that's called capitalism."

Millennials: "Okay, well I want something else."

Boomers: "Okay, let's vote on it. We've got a system set up where your vote for President doesn't matter unless you live in a handful of swing states, your vote for Senator doesn't matter unless you live in a rural state with low population, and your vote for the House of Representatives doesn't matter unless you live in a state we haven't gerrymandered yet."

Millennials: "Uh, I don't want that either."

Boomers: "Too bad, that's called democracy."

...

Media: "Why don't Millennials love capitalism and democracy????"
 
2020-10-20 2:43:24 AM  
16 votes:
No, we love Democracy. We just wish that we could experience it.
 
2020-10-20 2:35:55 AM  
12 votes:

jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.


Younger people have never cared about elections until they turn 40. Because that is when their peers start running for office. Gen Z will be the same way, Gen Alpha will be the same way. You don't care about the system farking you until someone in your peer group, or yourself, decides "No, the farking will stop even if I have to do it myself."

So it has been in America, so it will continue to be.
 
2020-10-20 3:13:54 AM  
11 votes:
I wonder why Millennials are so unenthusiastic about democracy. Could it possibly be that we've been told we're lazy, stupid, useless and unimportant by older generations?

Key statistics

"While your workers believe that business should consider stakeholders' interests as well as profits, their experience is of employers prioritizing the bottom line above workers, society and the environment, leaving them with little sense of loyalty," according to "The 2018 Deloitte Millennial Survey."

Note that the CEO's etc exploiting the workers aren't millennials, they're from a different generation.

And voting?

The process of casting your ballot can be complicated - especially for first time voters. Why does the US make voting so hard?

The system can be unreliable. Lina Tate, 20, registered for an absentee ballot in mid-February - but did not receive her ballot until 6 March - three days after Super Tuesday.

Millennials are lazy? No, 84% of Millennials can see through your lies.

A Harvard survey found that only 16% of those aged 18 to 29 agreed with the statement that "elected officials who are part of the Baby Boomer generation care about people like me."

In high school, politics isn't really discussed, so many young voters really are voting blind. If only there was some sort of generation that had power over schools and what they teach. Ah yes, I recall, the Boomers want the young to be uninformed - makes it easier to exploit them.
 
2020-10-20 2:38:53 AM  
11 votes:

ImpendingCynic: They're disillusioned about a system by the people, for the people, that only seems to care about the rich? I'm so baffled.


What they are being disllusioned by is the same thing that farks with my head anytime I see the difference between the premise of something, and what it actually looks like.

Everything seems nice and fine when you are studying the platonic ideal of it; but then you see what happens when flesh and blood people get their hands on it, and you see how it become hideously corrupt, and you just want to quit and not want anything else to do with it.

But then eventually, at different ages for different people, you realize that it's always been that way, and you get taught the platonic ideal because if schools actually taught you what was real, you'd be in a classroom until you were middle age; which is about the time when most people actually come to this realization on their own.

People are messy and illogical, but we ain't got no other choice. Either we deal with it as it comes, or we give up and accept what may come.
 
2020-10-20 9:17:42 AM  
8 votes:
Night Train to Wakanda:

If you're a young American, get out now while you still can. Leave. You will be better off.

According to the article and quite a few of these posters, as a millennial, I'm forever trapped in a youth state in which my anger, frustration, and knowledge can be iinfantilized and discarded; but actually I'm 39 goddamn years old.
 
2020-10-20 3:49:01 AM  
8 votes:
Millennials get little satisfaction from democracy: Cambridge study

fixxorated
 
2020-10-20 2:44:09 AM  
8 votes:
It seems people are missing the take away message here. It's not that young people don't care it's that they feel their votes do not matter in the blistering hellscape which is 2020 when the worst possible fate has already been predetermined.
 
2020-10-20 4:17:27 AM  
7 votes:
Gosh, I wonder why Millennials are so unhappy with democracy.

*click*

fta: "The main reason behind the disillusion with democracy among young people was inequality of wealth and income, the report said, citing figures showing that Millennials make up around a quarter of the U.S. population but hold just 3% of the wealth."

Well, yeah. That is definitely a thing.

Death of the American Dream of upward social mobility and the reality of a government that wages war on the working classes to the benefit of the investment class of 1%ers is a bummer to be sure.

Hence the popularity of Bernie among the disillusioned Millennials.

But rage and discontent that doesn't transition into political engagement is pointless pouting more than anything.
 
2020-10-20 3:54:25 AM  
7 votes:
Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.
 
2020-10-20 2:41:19 AM  
7 votes:
Good, you idiots.

Maybe this time it will finally sink in that change cannot come from the top down, it must come from the bottom up; and it cannot happen in one election. It will take at minimum 20 to 50 years to dislodge the fecal impaction this bureaucracy has become.

It absolutely can and should be done. But stop imagining and falling for the okey-doke that it's gonna be a quick and easy fix. Or that you just have to wait till the Boomers die. Apathy and status quo are easy. Change is hard.
 
2020-10-20 9:39:42 AM  
6 votes:

AwfulObject: Night Train to Wakanda:

If you're a young American, get out now while you still can. Leave. You will be better off.

According to the article and quite a few of these posters, as a millennial, I'm forever trapped in a youth state in which my anger, frustration, and knowledge can be iinfantilized and discarded; but actually I'm 39 goddamn years old.


Seriously.  Our parents were already well into their mid-life crisis by now.  But since their "cultural rebellion" consisted of buying a bunch of shiat they didn't need, capitalists embraced them as their own and brought them happily into the power structure.

You can literally watch the Boomers walk into the halls of power around the age of 35-40 and then pull the ladder up behind them as they refused to accept that their children would ever stop being "their children".
 
2020-10-20 9:06:41 AM  
6 votes:

andrewagill: There's something weird about this headline.

It's about millennials but I suspect a lot of millennials won't get it because it's a reference to a boomer anthem. Subby is weird.


On the plus side it means the olds might actually be realizing that they've spent their adult lives farking over their children and grandchildren. Unfortunately, knowing what they've done and caring enough to fix it are two very, veeeeeery different things.
 
2020-10-20 7:32:45 AM  
6 votes:
Is this the thread where a bunch of miserable ass holes blame kids for being dicked so hard of their future 20 years before they were even born? Then told they had better vote D to keep kicking the can down the road as the Republican government strip mines tax payer cash to pay for wars of choice, corporate bailouts every ten years, and rewards them for stealing their future with low paying jobs, environmental killing regulations, and mountains of exploding student loan debt that has outstripped the average wage of a college education, and is now working on stripping them of their social security. Then, when they vote for progressive candidates who want to address the issues they hold important get called lazy idiots when the system is rigged against their wishes and have their voices marginalized, and they drop out as they become disenfranchised as the olds shiat on them for expressing their needs ahead of their elders after ripping them of their choice in a candidate in not one, but two elections, and suddenly are to blame for not being more engaged? Is that what this thread is?
 
2020-10-20 4:18:36 AM  
6 votes:

quatchi: Death of the American Dream of upward social mobility and the reality of a government that wages war on the working classes to the benefit of the investment class of 1%ers is a bummer to be sure


There is also a very REAL hoarding problem with elder generations.
 
2020-10-20 3:18:21 AM  
6 votes:

jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.


Are your kids in their 40s and 50s? The reason I ask is because the oldest millennial is in their late 30s by now..
/Ok boomer
 
2020-10-20 2:44:04 AM  
6 votes:
They probably meant to say capitalism
 
2020-10-20 2:38:10 AM  
6 votes:

BlueDWarrior: jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.

Younger people have never cared about elections until they turn 40. Because that is when their peers start running for office. Gen Z will be the same way, Gen Alpha will be the same way. You don't care about the system farking you until someone in your peer group, or yourself, decides "No, the farking will stop even if I have to do it myself."

So it has been in America, so it will continue to be.


The problem is our politics are trending older...

Not just for the Presidency, but everywhere.

Young people don't vote, but when they actually try to engage in politics these days LARGELY they are shut out. Oddly enough, and thankfully enough, women seem to be an exception.
 
2020-10-20 9:15:29 AM  
5 votes:

BeesNuts: BlueDWarrior: ImpendingCynic: They're disillusioned about a system by the people, for the people, that only seems to care about the rich? I'm so baffled.

What they are being disllusioned by is the same thing that farks with my head anytime I see the difference between the premise of something, and what it actually looks like.

Everything seems nice and fine when you are studying the platonic ideal of it; but then you see what happens when flesh and blood people get their hands on it, and you see how it become hideously corrupt, and you just want to quit and not want anything else to do with it.

But then eventually, at different ages for different people, you realize that it's always been that way, and you get taught the platonic ideal because if schools actually taught you what was real, you'd be in a classroom until you were middle age; which is about the time when most people actually come to this realization on their own.

People are messy and illogical, but we ain't got no other choice. Either we deal with it as it comes, or we give up and accept what may come.

I'm not sure "These 35 year olds just need to gain more worldly experience and realize that this is just the way it has to be" is as intelligent an assessment as some people believe it to be, but it was very well written.


"We have to do it this way because this is the way we've always done it" is the worst excuse possible but conservatives farking love it.
 
2020-10-20 3:40:21 AM  
5 votes:

jerryskid: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Nice try, Boomer.

MR. Boomer to you.
And stay off my lawn, unless you're mowing it.  In which case, don't expect a tip.  Better yet, expect a tip so I get a chance to disappoint you.


I don't need your money, you farking geezer. Keep it for the old age home.
 
2020-10-20 3:08:12 AM  
5 votes:

TomDooley: Has anyone mentioned we're a Republic not a Democracy yet?


Generally said by people who don't know the meaning of either. I never hear it repeated by anyone who says it with any form of context, and they all go radio silent when I ask where legitimate governments derive their powers from.

Never tell me that the Republicans aren't trying to eliminate the vote.
 
2020-10-19 9:50:23 PM  
5 votes:
Bullshiat FA is bullshiat. Will give no satisfaction. Happy now?
 
2020-10-20 8:17:08 AM  
4 votes:
Unrestrained capitalism ain't democracy
 
2020-10-20 8:06:37 AM  
4 votes:

quatchi: But rage and discontent that doesn't transition into political engagement is pointless pouting more than anything.


Engagement only goes as far as the ideas go. When ideas that young people need implemented are deliberately shut down and dismissed there's no reason for them to continue to engage.

Older people have to start working with young people instead of against them. And if the older people can't manage that then they need to STFU because they're deliberately in the wrong.

The Democratic Party had a chance to win these people's votes for life and instead they told young people to go get farked. Dems don't get to complain when young people disengage. Obama said something about that in 2008, Democrats should have listened.
 
2020-10-20 7:56:52 AM  
4 votes:

Kazan: jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.

don't forget that they refuse to show up to vote "Because they're not inspiring enough"

doesn't matter that that persons policies are an improvement on the status quo, they're not an improvement enough.

(I'm technically a millenial but i'm one of those early ones that many sociologists split off with the very late Xers into a microgeneration that doesnt' fit either)


The Oregon Trail Generation:  young enough to have grown up with the internet to some degree, but old enough that we didn't grow up with social media.

We're the last generation that didn't have youthful indiscretions uploaded for everyone to see.
 
2020-10-20 4:10:56 AM  
4 votes:
Well, it really doesn't help that the highest paid employees in almost every state are sports ball coaches. Or some other college administrator or employee.

There is a racket somewhere. It's not the professors or necessarily programs benefiting from this money.
 
2020-10-20 4:09:34 AM  
4 votes:
I'd like to think that satisfaction would require confidence in the process. How long has been spent eroding that confidence in just the past four years? Not even getting into the "hanging chad" business of the decade prior.

Gerrymandered districts, census farkery, farking with the USPS, calling absentee ballots ripe for fraud, spending years biatching about and loudly investigating voter fraud where it simply did not exist, encouraging voter fraud to happen, headlines to the tune of "WHAT IF HERR DINGDONG JUST PULLED AN UNO REVERSE CARD AFTER LOSING?", and extremely reduced faith in the EC accomplishing much of anything...

Yeah, farking bet I vote anyway, but my optimism is miles behind me.
 
2020-10-20 3:13:37 AM  
4 votes:
Young people know a scam when they see it.
 
2020-10-20 1:15:03 PM  
3 votes:

jso2897: Gyrfalcon: Good, you idiots.

Maybe this time it will finally sink in that change cannot come from the top down, it must come from the bottom up; and it cannot happen in one election. It will take at minimum 20 to 50 years to dislodge the fecal impaction this bureaucracy has become.

It absolutely can and should be done. But stop imagining and falling for the okey-doke that it's gonna be a quick and easy fix. Or that you just have to wait till the Boomers die. Apathy and status quo are easy. Change is hard.

This. The people y'all think are "The Boomers" are never going to die - there will always be a plentiful, new supply of them.
As if anyone who isn't a motherf**king idiot ever thought that unpleasant personal characteristics were the special property of people born between two arbitrarily selected years.
Find an adult belief to harbor, and drop the empty-headed "generation' bullcrap.


Ok Boomer.
 
2020-10-20 10:34:03 AM  
3 votes:

jso2897: ...

This. The people y'all think are "The Boomers" are never going to die - there will always be a plentiful, new supply of them.
As if anyone who isn't a motherf**king idiot ever thought that unpleasant personal characteristics were the special property of people born between two arbitrarily selected years.
Find an adult belief to harbor, and drop the empty-headed "generation' bullcrap.


I don't think you understand what the Baby Boomers actually are.

"Boomers" are not just "old people" (much less "everyone older than me"). Boomers are people born between 1946 and 1966 (the end date is fuzzy, the start date isn't). When talking about their social and political traits, it's usually understood to mean white, middle-class people whose fathers fought in WWII, but that's neither here nor there.

Yes, there will always be old people. And yes, old people tend to become more resistant to change. But there will absolutely come a day when the last Boomer dies. Hopefully they will be out of power by then.
 
2020-10-20 9:46:28 AM  
3 votes:

jso2897: Gyrfalcon: Good, you idiots.

Maybe this time it will finally sink in that change cannot come from the top down, it must come from the bottom up; and it cannot happen in one election. It will take at minimum 20 to 50 years to dislodge the fecal impaction this bureaucracy has become.

It absolutely can and should be done. But stop imagining and falling for the okey-doke that it's gonna be a quick and easy fix. Or that you just have to wait till the Boomers die. Apathy and status quo are easy. Change is hard.

This. The people y'all think are "The Boomers" are never going to die - there will always be a plentiful, new supply of them.
As if anyone who isn't a motherf**king idiot ever thought that unpleasant personal characteristics were the special property of people born between two arbitrarily selected years.
Find an adult belief to harbor, and drop the empty-headed "generation' bullcrap.


See, the thing is, there aren't always Boomer-like people in charge. And you know we can point to actual reality - measurable changes that Boomers created that had real-world effects. It wasn't other generations doing it, those other generations fixed problems that Boomers re-created, it was Boomers being selfish, greedy farkheads who didn't care about future generations.

I get that you want to remain blameless for the problems your generation caused. Hell, it makes sense to want to think only good about what you've done with your life. Unfortunately reality doesn't go away just because you don't like it, we Millennials have figured that one out long before now, but Boomers just can't grasp that concept.
 
2020-10-20 9:21:28 AM  
3 votes:

LurkLongAndProsper: I felt like that conversation just ended with no closure.


It always does. Boomers don't give a fark about the damage they've left so there's no way to gain closure with them. Instead, their legacy will be how they are remembered and it will not be good.
 
2020-10-20 9:20:55 AM  
3 votes:

LurkLongAndProsper: Unless it's significantly easier for millenials to pick up a gun and overthrow the government than it is for them to vote, I have some bad news.


Republicans are hard at work setting up this future.
 
2020-10-20 9:13:19 AM  
3 votes:

BlueDWarrior: ImpendingCynic: They're disillusioned about a system by the people, for the people, that only seems to care about the rich? I'm so baffled.

What they are being disllusioned by is the same thing that farks with my head anytime I see the difference between the premise of something, and what it actually looks like.

Everything seems nice and fine when you are studying the platonic ideal of it; but then you see what happens when flesh and blood people get their hands on it, and you see how it become hideously corrupt, and you just want to quit and not want anything else to do with it.

But then eventually, at different ages for different people, you realize that it's always been that way, and you get taught the platonic ideal because if schools actually taught you what was real, you'd be in a classroom until you were middle age; which is about the time when most people actually come to this realization on their own.

People are messy and illogical, but we ain't got no other choice. Either we deal with it as it comes, or we give up and accept what may come.


I'm not sure "These 35 year olds just need to gain more worldly experience and realize that this is just the way it has to be" is as intelligent an assessment as some people believe it to be, but it was very well written.
 
2020-10-20 9:07:00 AM  
3 votes:

AwfulObject: Animatronik: UNC_Samurai: puffy999: Animatronik: Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

By ideas, you mean the troll is just regurgitating the bogus Bennett hypothesis?

This will make it easier for you:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.y​ahoo.com/amphtml/news/average-cost-col​lege-jumped-incredible-122000732.html

The article you cited focuses on a bogus lack of correlation between things like grants and stafford loans with tuition increases.
The reason its bogus is that it ignores the obvious across the board unexplained massive increases in tuition at private universities in favor of microscopic examination of a few cherry-picked data points related to grants and university expenses.
Its a case of pulling the wool over your eyes to ignore the obvious.

Of course, they have a problem in that state universities have restrictions on what they can charge, so middle class students are flocking to those.
But theyre working on those as well.

Now some universities have wised up, seen the handwriting on the wall, and reduced their tuition.  Good for them.

"It's the loans, making access available to many has made it more expensive!"

Meanwhile, and on repeat for the last 30 years: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education​/most-americans-dont-realize-state-fun​ding-for-higher-ed-fell-by-billions


If you're a young American, get out now while you still can. Leave. You will be better off.
 
2020-10-20 9:05:01 AM  
3 votes:
There's something weird about this headline.

It's about millennials but I suspect a lot of millennials won't get it because it's a reference to a boomer anthem. Subby is weird.
 
2020-10-20 9:00:02 AM  
3 votes:

Animatronik: UNC_Samurai: puffy999: Animatronik: Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

By ideas, you mean the troll is just regurgitating the bogus Bennett hypothesis?

This will make it easier for you:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.y​ahoo.com/amphtml/news/average-cost-col​lege-jumped-incredible-122000732.html

The article you cited focuses on a bogus lack of correlation between things like grants and stafford loans with tuition increases.
The reason its bogus is that it ignores the obvious across the board unexplained massive increases in tuition at private universities in favor of microscopic examination of a few cherry-picked data points related to grants and university expenses.
Its a case of pulling the wool over your eyes to ignore the obvious.

Of course, they have a problem in that state universities have restrictions on what they can charge, so middle class students are flocking to those.
But theyre working on those as well.

Now some universities have wised up, seen the handwriting on the wall, and reduced their tuition.  Good for them.


"It's the loans, making access available to many has made it more expensive!"

Meanwhile, and on repeat for the last 30 years: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/educatio​n​/most-americans-dont-realize-state-fun​ding-for-higher-ed-fell-by-billions
 
2020-10-20 8:36:13 AM  
3 votes:
Millennials make up around a quarter of the U.S. population but hold just 3% of the wealth. Baby Boomers held 21% of the wealth at the same age


That's a startling statistic.  I wonder how it compares with the Gen-X experience.  I feel like we came out of the gate slowly, but were catching up by the time we were in our 30s, but maybe that's just my own lens.
 
2020-10-20 8:03:34 AM  
3 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Animatronik: If you want to experience democracy, get out there and vote the issues that matter to you, yes, but...
...you also need to vote for people who care about the future of the country, it's constitution, and understand the importance of compromise. If you just sit around devising new labels for people you don't like, then you're just an easy target for politicians that want to vote based on your two minutes of hate every day.  A democracy can't function in such a polarized society.

It sucks when I agree with you, but I totally agree with you.


Likely because both of you are voting against what the kids want and wondering why they don't participate alongside you.
 
2020-10-20 4:41:47 AM  
3 votes:

Animatronik: If you want to experience democracy, get out there and vote the issues that matter to you, yes, but...
...you also need to vote for people who care about the future of the country, it's constitution, and understand the importance of compromise. If you just sit around devising new labels for people you don't like, then you're just an easy target for politicians that want to vote based on your two minutes of hate every day.  A democracy can't function in such a polarized society.


It sucks when I agree with you, but I totally agree with you.
 
2020-10-20 4:12:30 AM  
3 votes:

Nullav: I'd like to think that satisfaction would require confidence in the process. How long has been spent eroding that confidence in just the past four years? Not even getting into the "hanging chad" business of the decade prior.

Gerrymandered districts, census farkery, farking with the USPS, calling absentee ballots ripe for fraud, spending years biatching about and loudly investigating voter fraud where it simply did not exist, encouraging voter fraud to happen, headlines to the tune of "WHAT IF HERR DINGDONG JUST PULLED AN UNO REVERSE CARD AFTER LOSING?", and extremely reduced faith in the EC accomplishing much of anything...

Yeah, farking bet I vote anyway, but my optimism is miles behind me.


Hey now, don't forget SuperLiberal Justass Roberts deciding there's no need for the Voting Rights Act to have teeth. After all, we're post racism and all hunky dory like.
 
2020-10-20 3:26:24 AM  
3 votes:

BlueDWarrior: To me, that's because it's still Boomer politicians because Gen X aren't being represented, either due to apathy or just from the fact they aren't that many of them. So you got Boomer politicians not being knocked out in primaries until it's late Xers or Millenials beating them


Forgetting politics, the US has a real cart-before-the-horse problem with how we use statistics and allow them to manipulate media, politics, entertainment, etc.

"Old people vote" and "old people identify with old people" means old people are nominated, endorsed, and given the air time.

But look at music. Country is 70s pop rock. Rock is elevator pop. Hip hop is dance pop. And it's been this way going on 25 years in some genres because "it sells". It sells because nothing else is offered in mainstream except in Apple commercials.
 
2020-10-20 2:41:50 AM  
3 votes:

puffy999: BlueDWarrior: jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.

Younger people have never cared about elections until they turn 40. Because that is when their peers start running for office. Gen Z will be the same way, Gen Alpha will be the same way. You don't care about the system farking you until someone in your peer group, or yourself, decides "No, the farking will stop even if I have to do it myself."

So it has been in America, so it will continue to be.

The problem is our politics are trending older...

Not just for the Presidency, but everywhere.

Young people don't vote, but when they actually try to engage in politics these days LARGELY they are shut out. Oddly enough, and thankfully enough, women seem to be an exception.


To me, that's because it's still Boomer politicians because Gen X aren't being represented, either due to apathy or just from the fact they aren't that many of them. So you got Boomer politicians not being knocked out in primaries until it's late Xers or Millenials beating them.

But that's just how the system is, you win until you don't, and people aren't going to quit just from you telling them to, unless they are so tired they don't want to be farked, or they actually fear for their future safety or position.

So my admonition is the same as it always is: the struggle continues, it is eternal, make plans to fight until the day you draw your last breath, and inspire the ones coming after you to do the same.
 
2020-10-20 2:34:19 AM  
3 votes:
Come back maybe next week
The country's on a losing streak
 
2020-10-20 10:03:57 AM  
2 votes:

AdmirableSnackbar: BeesNuts: BlueDWarrior: ImpendingCynic: They're disillusioned about a system by the people, for the people, that only seems to care about the rich? I'm so baffled.

What they are being disllusioned by is the same thing that farks with my head anytime I see the difference between the premise of something, and what it actually looks like.

Everything seems nice and fine when you are studying the platonic ideal of it; but then you see what happens when flesh and blood people get their hands on it, and you see how it become hideously corrupt, and you just want to quit and not want anything else to do with it.

But then eventually, at different ages for different people, you realize that it's always been that way, and you get taught the platonic ideal because if schools actually taught you what was real, you'd be in a classroom until you were middle age; which is about the time when most people actually come to this realization on their own.

People are messy and illogical, but we ain't got no other choice. Either we deal with it as it comes, or we give up and accept what may come.

I'm not sure "These 35 year olds just need to gain more worldly experience and realize that this is just the way it has to be" is as intelligent an assessment as some people believe it to be, but it was very well written.

"We have to do it this way because this is the way we've always done it" is the worst excuse possible but conservatives farking love it.


Especially when it's not the way we've always done it.
 
2020-10-20 9:34:41 AM  
2 votes:
AwfulObject:

Your first mistake was thinking they cared about anyone else but their plight and how you have become a hindrance to it by having higher expectations than they have allowed themselves to have.
 
2020-10-20 9:28:21 AM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: why don't you sit down and shut the fark up


Yup, it's a Boomer angry that kids won't worship him.
 
2020-10-20 9:18:14 AM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: pkjun: Boomers: "We have set up the economy to extract all wealth and labour from you and give it to enormous corporations. You will be indebted forever and will never enjoy the financial stability and security we do."

Millennials: "I don't want that."

Boomers: "Too bad, that's called capitalism."

Millennials: "Okay, well I want something else."

Boomers: "Okay, let's vote on it. We've got a system set up where your vote for President doesn't matter unless you live in a handful of swing states, your vote for Senator doesn't matter unless you live in a rural state with low population, and your vote for the House of Representatives doesn't matter unless you live in a state we haven't gerrymandered yet."

Millennials: "Uh, I don't want that either."

Boomers: "Too bad, that's called democracy."

...

Media: "Why don't Millennials love capitalism and democracy????"

Then you have three options. One, you can move. Two, you can work to change it (problem: no one has ever claimed it will be easy or quick, so don't delude yourself). Three, you can give up and biatch on the Internet.

It is clear you have chosen number 3, so why don't you sit down and shut the fark up so the people who actually want to try and work to make this country a better place can get on with it without you trying to sabotage them every chance you get?



Really though, YOU have 2 options.
1.  You can help.
2.  You can not help.

You've made it clear you won't help, so it would be really great if you would stop pretending to try.  Just vote for Biden and take a nice, long, well-deserved nap for the next 4 years.
 
2020-10-20 8:44:01 AM  
2 votes:

TomDooley: Has anyone mentioned we're a Republic not a Democracy yet?


Hardly a Republic, more like a Kleptocracy with a sham election every two years.
 
2020-10-20 8:18:35 AM  
2 votes:

Kazan: jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.

don't forget that they refuse to show up to vote "Because they're not inspiring enough"

doesn't matter that that persons policies are an improvement on the status quo, they're not an improvement enough.

(I'm technically a millenial but i'm one of those early ones that many sociologists split off with the very late Xers into a microgeneration that doesnt' fit either)


This is more a complaint that people notice that your ideas are garbage than anything else. If it's not an improvement enough to help people, it's not really an improvement. You should strive for better, not worse. But here we are, desperately striving for worse as a country and wondering why young people aren't on board with it.
 
2020-10-20 6:17:38 AM  
2 votes:
Meanwhile, GenX is dissatisfied with everything, because f*ck you, that's why.
 
2020-10-20 2:43:28 AM  
2 votes:

jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.


don't forget that they refuse to show up to vote "Because they're not inspiring enough"

doesn't matter that that persons policies are an improvement on the status quo, they're not an improvement enough.

(I'm technically a millenial but i'm one of those early ones that many sociologists split off with the very late Xers into a microgeneration that doesnt' fit either)
 
2020-10-20 2:31:58 AM  
2 votes:
Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.
 
2020-10-19 10:21:33 PM  
2 votes:
Has anyone mentioned we're a Republic not a Democracy yet?
 
2020-10-20 3:31:36 PM  
1 vote:

jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.


Now do the one where you blame us for the 2008 recession! Never mind that nothing you say is true--youve been blaming us for systemic problems since we were in high school, so why stop now?
 
2020-10-20 2:57:27 PM  
1 vote:
Animatronik:

The reason you don't compare them to private schools is because the majority of states set tuition via board or commission and not unilaterally controlled by the actual school like it is in a private college setting - especially when the typical college student goes to a public university (3/4ths of all students). Also, private institutions generally will set their tuition to near public institutional prices because private institutions actually have to respond to market forces(similar to the impact of public health care that also has private offerings).

This is obviously not the case for the high-ranking private schools, so, like not comparing a honda to a ferarri, you remove them when trying to assess the wider problem of tuition in schools - largely because you want to account for the most typical encounter with school prices.

So, we've established two things that we agree on.  1) Wages have barely kept up with inflation and 2) Tuition has skyrocketed.

First, we've got to also understand that largely by percentage, state, like federal taxes have been falling... you know what? Nah, I'm not going to explain to you how the whole thing is a weighted platform that's designed to shift the burden of public investment away from the rich - you're an adult, you should know by now.

I'm glad your kid has to go to normal school with the rest of us. Perhaps if you worked harder he wouldn't have had to slum it with the rest of us that can just barely afford to crawl out of poverty.
 
2020-10-20 2:04:57 PM  
1 vote:
IT IS THIS:

We(all humans) easily take things from granted, especially if it was just handed to us and we didn't have to do anything perosnally to obtain or maintain it.

Lotto winners and inheritance winners, and the standard pattern easily seen there.

We take most anything for granted, and so yeah those of us that just got it handed to us probably not really able to understand what we got, having no real XP in anything else for comparison anyway.
 
2020-10-20 12:52:45 PM  
1 vote:

Animatronik: AwfulObject: Animatronik: UNC_Samurai: puffy999: Animatronik: Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

By ideas, you mean the troll is just regurgitating the bogus Bennett hypothesis?

This will make it easier for you:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.y​ahoo.com/amphtml/news/average-cost-col​lege-jumped-incredible-122000732.html

The article you cited focuses on a bogus lack of correlation between things like grants and stafford loans with tuition increases.
The reason its bogus is that it ignores the obvious across the board unexplained massive increases in tuition at private universities in favor of microscopic examination of a few cherry-picked data points related to grants and university expenses.
Its a case of pulling the wool over your eyes to ignore the obvious.

Of course, they have a problem in that state universities have restrictions on what they can charge, so middle class students are flocking to those.
But theyre working on those as well.

Now some universities have wised up, seen the handwriting on the wall, and reduced their tuition.  Good for them.

"It's the loans, making access available to many has made it more expensive!"

Meanwhile, and on repeat for the last 30 years: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education​/most-americans-dont-realize-state-fun​ding-for-higher-ed-fell-by-billions

When adjusted for inflation, ALL tuition + room and board (private + state, which brings the ratio DOWN) has increased by about 200% overall (or 4-fold for private 4 year universities, depending on how you calculate it, while per capit ...


Doesn't take much to explain that easy access to tuition dollars from government backed privately issued loans with no strings attached leads to administrative bloat which leads to higher tuition.

Higher education is one step below Healthcare in terms of inelasticity of demand the way that loans are structured and payscales are determined.

Combine those motivations with a customer base that consists almost exclusively of humans whose brains have not fully developed and 'lo.

I maintain that the thing that will ultimately change this is the absolute collapse of higher education.  Which sucks.  Eventually, the advice will shift from saving to send kids to college to saving to pay your kid's first down payment on a house.  Or to saving for your kid's retirement directly.  When this happens, demand will *sharply* drop, tuition dollars will dry up, and thousands of private institutions won't be able to balance the books by the end of the year.

I'm not sure the market pressure are such that this is avoidable anymore.
 
2020-10-20 10:18:04 AM  
1 vote:

AdmirableSnackbar: jso2897: Gyrfalcon: Good, you idiots.

Maybe this time it will finally sink in that change cannot come from the top down, it must come from the bottom up; and it cannot happen in one election. It will take at minimum 20 to 50 years to dislodge the fecal impaction this bureaucracy has become.

It absolutely can and should be done. But stop imagining and falling for the okey-doke that it's gonna be a quick and easy fix. Or that you just have to wait till the Boomers die. Apathy and status quo are easy. Change is hard.

This. The people y'all think are "The Boomers" are never going to die - there will always be a plentiful, new supply of them.
As if anyone who isn't a motherf**king idiot ever thought that unpleasant personal characteristics were the special property of people born between two arbitrarily selected years.
Find an adult belief to harbor, and drop the empty-headed "generation' bullcrap.

See, the thing is, there aren't always Boomer-like people in charge. And you know we can point to actual reality - measurable changes that Boomers created that had real-world effects. It wasn't other generations doing it, those other generations fixed problems that Boomers re-created, it was Boomers being selfish, greedy farkheads who didn't care about future generations.

I get that you want to remain blameless for the problems your generation caused. Hell, it makes sense to want to think only good about what you've done with your life. Unfortunately reality doesn't go away just because you don't like it, we Millennials have figured that one out long before now, but Boomers just can't grasp that concept.


Now, I blame "The Boomers" for a lot, but this is a bit much.

They put let those positive changes fall by the wayside because they took them for granted and later because they almost immediately started to see them erode.  Not because the generation was inherently greedy, but because they were trained to live greedy, selfish lives as a self-defense mechanism against shifting realities.
 
2020-10-20 9:18:38 AM  
1 vote:

pkjun: Boomers: "We have set up the economy to extract all wealth and labour from you and give it to enormous corporations. You will be indebted forever and will never enjoy the financial stability and security we do."

Millennials: "I don't want that."

Boomers: "Too bad, that's called capitalism."

Millennials: "Okay, well I want something else."

Boomers: "Okay, let's vote on it. We've got a system set up where your vote for President doesn't matter unless you live in a handful of swing states, your vote for Senator doesn't matter unless you live in a rural state with low population, and your vote for the House of Representatives doesn't matter unless you live in a state we haven't gerrymandered yet."

Millennials: "Uh, I don't want that either."

Boomers: "Too bad, that's called democracy."

Millennials: "OK, fine, I just won't vote at all."

Boomers: "OK then, sounds good. Mission accomplished."

...

Media: "Why don't Millennials love capitalism and democracy????"


I felt like that conversation just ended with no closure. Other than violent revolution, I don't see how millenials or anyone else is going to clear these aforementioned roadblocks. It's also unclear as to whether the impediments to youth voting are greater or lesser than the impediments to youth armed revolution. Unless it's significantly easier for millenials to pick up a gun and overthrow the government than it is for them to vote, I have some bad news.
 
2020-10-20 8:30:35 AM  
1 vote:

Rocket To Russia: That's one of my favorite DEVO songs!


I had a gut feeling you'd say that.

^_^

/Also love that tune.
//+1 to Subby.
 
2020-10-20 8:17:31 AM  
1 vote:

UNC_Samurai: puffy999: Animatronik: Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

By ideas, you mean the troll is just regurgitating the bogus Bennett hypothesis?


This will make it easier for you:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.​y​ahoo.com/amphtml/news/average-cost-col​lege-jumped-incredible-122000732.html

The article you cited focuses on a bogus lack of correlation between things like grants and stafford loans with tuition increases.
The reason its bogus is that it ignores the obvious across the board unexplained massive increases in tuition at private universities in favor of microscopic examination of a few cherry-picked data points related to grants and university expenses.
Its a case of pulling the wool over your eyes to ignore the obvious.

Of course, they have a problem in that state universities have restrictions on what they can charge, so middle class students are flocking to those.
But theyre working on those as well.

Now some universities have wised up, seen the handwriting on the wall, and reduced their tuition.  Good for them.
 
2020-10-20 8:06:03 AM  
1 vote:

UNC_Samurai: puffy999: Animatronik: Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

By ideas, you mean the troll is just regurgitating the bogus Bennett hypothesis?


The numbers dont lie
Look at tuition increases over the past 25 years vs inflation.
As for everything else these days, mediots are substituting vituperative opinions and ad hominem smears for facts, but the facts dont lie.
 
2020-10-20 8:00:43 AM  
1 vote:

puffy999: Animatronik: Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.


By ideas, you mean the troll is just regurgitating the bogus Bennett hypothesis?
 
2020-10-20 7:52:13 AM  
1 vote:

foo monkey: Meanwhile, GenX is dissatisfied with everything, because f*ck you, that's why.


With all that religious and drug propaganda we grew up with, you'd think we'd see through all the BS, not end up marching along with our babyboomer parents at the Q rally. 

Gen X has been a disappoint to itself.
 
2020-10-20 7:06:04 AM  
1 vote:

berylman: It seems people are missing the take away message here. It's not that young people don't care it's that they feel their votes do not matter in the blistering hellscape which is 2020 when the worst possible fate has already been predetermined.


Their vote counts exactly the same as everyone else. Should it be treated differently or something?
 
2020-10-20 4:07:43 AM  
1 vote:

Animatronik: Another aspect of this situation is student loans.
The heavy reliance on government guaranteed student loans has led to massive increases in tuition due to tuition inflation and a concomitant increase in debt among 25 to 40 year olds.
This is an example of a massive government intervention gone wrong.  There has been a massive transfer of wealth from  the middle class to colleges and universities.


Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2020-10-20 3:42:11 AM  
1 vote:
If you want to experience democracy, get out there and vote the issues that matter to you, yes, but...
...you also need to vote for people who care about the future of the country, it's constitution, and understand the importance of compromise. If you just sit around devising new labels for people you don't like, then you're just an easy target for politicians that want to vote based on your two minutes of hate every day.  A democracy can't function in such a polarized society.
 
2020-10-20 2:59:15 AM  
1 vote:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jerryskid: Millenials?  Are those the lazy dumbf*cks who say they are going to vote in droves but are too busy playing console games to give a f*ck?  Oh, I know several million of those.  They are fairy stupid and expect the world to serve them.

Sad that they will be the reason that America dies, but they'll claim to be woke, and awake, but need naps because they're so f*cking lazy.

However, my kids are doing great because they have such an inferior set of people to compete against.

Nice try, Boomer.


I'm almost flattered someone still thinks I'm young.
 
2020-10-20 2:48:52 AM  
1 vote:
All can be yours if you vote for me
 
2020-10-20 12:24:34 AM  
1 vote:
The study suggested that the populist challenge to mainstream, "establishment" politics could actually help improve democratic engagement by shocking moderate parties and leaders into reversing the decay.
 
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