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2020-10-19 9:14:21 PM  
If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.
 
2020-10-19 9:25:24 PM  
That is insane. Yikes.
 
2020-10-19 9:32:25 PM  
"Requiring such a process would compromise the integrity of the mail-in ballots "as Texas officials are preparing for a dramatic increase of mail-in voting, driven by a global pandemic," reads the Monday opinion issued by Judge Jerry E. Smith."

Are we though? I thought the courts ruled that mail-in voting could NOT be expanded due to the pandemic. So how many more main-in votes are we gonna get?

/voted last Thursday
//apparently in Tarrant County (Fort Worth area) the pandemic is over, at least according to everyone crowding in the damn voting line
XXXThese slashies are crossed in the hopes Texas will go blue
 
2020-10-19 9:43:04 PM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


Texas only allows mail in ballots with justification.  So you essentially have to fill out a form saying that you are over 65, otherwise disabled, or will legitimately out of your county for some reason (generally work).

So, no, in many, if not most cases they can't just go in person in vote, at least without significant hardship.

But you can't just mail in vote willy nilly in Texas.
 
2020-10-19 9:44:03 PM  
Texas aint ever going blue so long as they can throw out any vote they want. Pfft 'signature mismatch' Bullshiat
 
2020-10-19 9:53:41 PM  
'Murica.
 
2020-10-19 10:02:33 PM  
This is again plainly disenfranchisement and just plain wrong. Civilization is about negotiated inclusion you ignorant mutherfarkers, not contrived exclusion. farking Texicans.
 
2020-10-20 12:29:15 AM  

Hoban Washburne: feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.

Texas only allows mail in ballots with justification.  So you essentially have to fill out a form saying that you are over 65, otherwise disabled, or will legitimately out of your county for some reason (generally work).

So, no, in many, if not most cases they can't just go in person in vote, at least without significant hardship.

But you can't just mail in vote willy nilly in Texas.


Exactly.  Came to post, from TFA:

Texas offers voting by mail to people with disabilities, Texans who are 65 and older, voters who will be outside of the county during an election, and those in jail during an election.
 
2020-10-20 5:29:01 AM  
Nice ruling you got there:  When you have a Constitutional right, Texas has the right to overturn that right in the face of alleged fraud, and all mistakes in this case are considered fraud.

/And that's why they can abolish guns in Texas
 
2020-10-20 5:30:03 AM  
Republican court packing of federal judges are paying dividends.
 
2020-10-20 5:34:36 AM  
So it's 2020 and we still have to fight for basic suffrage.
 
2020-10-20 5:35:40 AM  
They're afraid of losing farking Texas..

TEXAS
 
2020-10-20 5:36:23 AM  
"Texas's strong interest in safeguarding the integrity of its elections from voter fraud far outweighs any burden the state's voting procedures place on the right to vote," Smith wrote.

Just more of the usual GOP justification. Better that 10,000 voters be disenfranchised than 1 fraudulent vote get through. You'd think with all this rampant voter fraud they worry about, they'd actually have some evidence of its existence.
 
2020-10-20 5:40:25 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Nice ruling you got there:  When you have a Constitutional right, Texas has the right to overturn that right in the face of alleged fraud, and all mistakes in this case are considered fraud.

/And that's why they can abolish guns in Texas


In January we will legally correct the gun issue.  There's an absolute constitutional right for the national guard to have firearms (a well regulated militia).  We will pack the SCOTUS with Progressives and fix many inequities
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-10-20 5:40:29 AM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


What if you physically can't get to the polling station due to being frail, disabled or deployed in the military overseas?

Why do republicans hate our troops and their right to vote?
 
2020-10-20 5:47:29 AM  
Does it matter if your name is Abdul or Adam.
 
2020-10-20 5:48:44 AM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


There used to be but they removed most of the polling places so now it's next to impossible.
 
2020-10-20 6:05:38 AM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


If only taxis were one of those states where you you need a reason to vote absentee - you know, like being absent from your county on Election Day

Oh wait - it IS one of those states

So you're saying that people who literally can't make it to the polls need to go to the polls

God damn - Your user name perpetually checks out
 
2020-10-20 6:07:08 AM  

Xai: feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.

What if you physically can't get to the polling station due to being frail, disabled or deployed in the military overseas?

Why do republicans hate our troops and their right to vote?


Rethuglicans have always hated the troops, other than as useful props. They do like military equipment manufacturers plenty,
 
2020-10-20 6:09:17 AM  

puffy999: They're afraid of losing farking Texas..

TEXAS


Which, based on their national strategy, means they already think they've lost Texas and the only way to keep it is to steal people's votes. I don't know why the GOP becoming the party that wants to stop you from voting isn't an immediate death blow for the movement but it turns out a lot of independent mostly-libertarian types are just dying to be ruled.
 
2020-10-20 6:12:42 AM  
I used to joke about raising money with the purpose of bribing Mexico into taking Texas back, but I think at this point, there's not enough money in the world to convince them.
 
2020-10-20 6:13:05 AM  

odinsposse: puffy999: They're afraid of losing farking Texas..

TEXAS

Which, based on their national strategy, means they already think they've lost Texas and the only way to keep it is to steal people's votes. I don't know why the GOP becoming the party that wants to stop you from voting isn't an immediate death blow for the movement but it turns out a lot of independent mostly-libertarian types are just dying to be ruled.


Lots of "Libertarians" are just assholes who don't want to be accountable.
When there is a leader who enables them to be assholes, they are more than happy to become authoritarians.
 
2020-10-20 6:13:15 AM  

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: So it's 2020 and we still have to fight for basic suffrage.


If the GOP had its fondest wish granted, you wouldn't be able to vote unless you were a white male evangelical who owned land, nor would you be entitled to any of the rights or privileges of citizenship.
 
2020-10-20 6:14:38 AM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


We get it.
You fear true democracy.
You are a fan of voter suppression.
In other words a Republican.
 
2020-10-20 6:17:09 AM  
Man, if I signed my signature 50 times in a row on the same sheet of paper it wouldn't look the same way twice. I actually practiced writing my signature before I mailed in my ballot. This is just another blatant example of how much conservatives hate democracy.
 
2020-10-20 6:27:02 AM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


There isn't. The GOP in Texas also rig the voting machines used in person so you can't not vote for them.
 
2020-10-20 6:39:00 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Man, if I signed my signature 50 times in a row on the same sheet of paper it wouldn't look the same way twice. I actually practiced writing my signature before I mailed in my ballot. This is just another blatant example of how much conservatives hate democracy.


Ah Ha..

So you admit you submitted 59 ballots!

Gotcha.
 
2020-10-20 6:42:01 AM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


Yep. Lord knows disabled and elderly people don't exist.
 
2020-10-20 6:43:17 AM  
Reading the actual opinion, they question that the 14th amendment provides for equal protection to vote.
 
2020-10-20 6:47:58 AM  

wademh: Reading the actual opinion, they question that the 14th amendment provides for equal protection to vote.


This is incredibly ironic since the Supreme Court relied on the 14th amendment to stop statewide recounts in Florida in the 2000 election.
 
2020-10-20 6:50:59 AM  
I'll just a note that here in the U.K., the councils I've worked for -- handling postal voting -- do their best to reject ballots at the last possible stage in the process, have a handwriting specialist on-site to be the final judge of whether a signature is or is not valid, keep a log of every ballot that is rejected and for what reason, and notify every voter who's ballot is rejected the reason why -- and give them the opportunity to inspect their ballot/challenge the decision -- and that's with the resources of a council, not with the resources of a state
 
2020-10-20 6:52:08 AM  
Election officials are not handwriting experts and have no special training in handwriting analysis.  I have seen actual experts say that you typically need about a dozen reference samples of a person's signature to judge whether a new sample is a match or not, just to encompass all the natural variability everyone has when signing their name.  Election officials rely on ONE reference signature, which may be years old.

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

This type of disenfranchisement is downright criminal, but sadly typical for red states.

Vote early and in person wherever possible.  Make sure your vote counts.
 
2020-10-20 6:54:10 AM  

feckingmorons: If there were only some way to go in person to make sure their vote is counted.


Truthfully, that's why I chose to go in person while my wife went the mail-in route. She assiduously followed the rules so there's little chance of her vote not counting, but by doing it in person I eliminate the chance that the Republicans can use that route to screw me over.

That said, if they've rigged it at the voting booth level like they're trying to at the mail-in level we're already screwed.
 
2020-10-20 7:01:07 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Election officials are not handwriting experts and have no special training in handwriting analysis.  I have seen actual experts say that you typically need about a dozen reference samples of a person's signature to judge whether a new sample is a match or not, just to encompass all the natural variability everyone has when signing their name.  Election officials rely on ONE reference signature, which may be years old.

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

This type of disenfranchisement is downright criminal, but sadly typical for red states.

Vote early and in person wherever possible.  Make sure your vote counts.


They've always been able to toss ballots for a signature mismatch. The ruling says they're not required to give you a chance to fix it if they've tossed your ballot due to a signature mismatch.
 
2020-10-20 7:01:23 AM  

MegaLib: Nana's Vibrator: Nice ruling you got there:  When you have a Constitutional right, Texas has the right to overturn that right in the face of alleged fraud, and all mistakes in this case are considered fraud.

/And that's why they can abolish guns in Texas

In January we will legally correct the gun issue.  There's an absolute constitutional right for the national guard to have firearms (a well regulated militia).  We will pack the SCOTUS with Progressives and fix many inequities


Nope. There are limitations on the 2nd Amendment and more are possible that don't offend the right, but there is no chance whatsoever that the militia argument will ever be successful in the courts. The 2nd Amendment is already incorporated to the states. The best you can hope for is a total repeal, and I wish you luck.
 
2020-10-20 7:02:10 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: MegaLib: Nana's Vibrator: Nice ruling you got there:  When you have a Constitutional right, Texas has the right to overturn that right in the face of alleged fraud, and all mistakes in this case are considered fraud.

/And that's why they can abolish guns in Texas

In January we will legally correct the gun issue.  There's an absolute constitutional right for the national guard to have firearms (a well regulated militia).  We will pack the SCOTUS with Progressives and fix many inequities

Nope. There are limitations on the 2nd Amendment and more are possible that don't offend the right, but there is no chance whatsoever that the militia argument will ever be successful in the courts. The 2nd Amendment is already incorporated to the states. The best you can hope for is a total repeal, and I wish you luck.


The national guard are state-level organizations
 
2020-10-20 7:06:28 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Man, if I signed my signature 50 times in a row on the same sheet of paper it wouldn't look the same way twice. I actually practiced writing my signature before I mailed in my ballot. This is just another blatant example of how much conservatives hate democracy.


Yep. And signatures change over time. I got hassled at the polling place on my second vote because mine had changed since my registration on my 18'th B-Day. I have to think pols well understand that signatures change with time. Especially with young people when they take jobs where they're then signing much more often than as  teens that hadn't been signing much at all.
 
2020-10-20 7:06:30 AM  

qorkfiend: Adolf Oliver Nipples: MegaLib: Nana's Vibrator: Nice ruling you got there:  When you have a Constitutional right, Texas has the right to overturn that right in the face of alleged fraud, and all mistakes in this case are considered fraud.

/And that's why they can abolish guns in Texas

In January we will legally correct the gun issue.  There's an absolute constitutional right for the national guard to have firearms (a well regulated militia).  We will pack the SCOTUS with Progressives and fix many inequities

Nope. There are limitations on the 2nd Amendment and more are possible that don't offend the right, but there is no chance whatsoever that the militia argument will ever be successful in the courts. The 2nd Amendment is already incorporated to the states. The best you can hope for is a total repeal, and I wish you luck.

The national guard are state-level organizations


The individual right to keep and bear arms, as incorporated to the states, does not rely on anything related to the National Guard. Like the Republicans are learning, simply saying the mantra doesn't make it correct. The "militia argument" is dead. Trying to resurrect it doesn't help.

But this is a voting thread, not a gun thread, so I'll stop here.
 
2020-10-20 7:08:44 AM  
In many states they are comparing your signature on a paper ballet to the one you made on the DMVs computer screen.  You know the computer screens where you sign with a stylus and it always looks like your signature is a complete and udder mess.

This is the case in Georgia.  It is probably also an excellent basis of any of you farkers are civil rights attorneys, to sue the hell out of these states.
 
2020-10-20 7:12:31 AM  

qorkfiend: Doc Daneeka: Election officials are not handwriting experts and have no special training in handwriting analysis.  I have seen actual experts say that you typically need about a dozen reference samples of a person's signature to judge whether a new sample is a match or not, just to encompass all the natural variability everyone has when signing their name.  Election officials rely on ONE reference signature, which may be years old.

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

This type of disenfranchisement is downright criminal, but sadly typical for red states.

Vote early and in person wherever possible.  Make sure your vote counts.

They've always been able to toss ballots for a signature mismatch. The ruling says they're not required to give you a chance to fix it if they've tossed your ballot due to a signature mismatch.


And why should election workers with no special training in handwriting analysis be empowered to do that?  Why should they have the discretion to just reject ballots for that reason?

It just invites abuse and intentional voter suppression at worst.  Even in the best case scenario with well-meaning workers, many valid votes are likely rejected through simple errors in judgment by unqualified people.

It's a bullshiat system for identity verification.  My signature certainly doesn't always look exactly the same from one instance to the next.  No one's does.
 
2020-10-20 7:14:02 AM  

winedrinkingman: In many states they are comparing your signature on a paper ballet to the one you made on the DMVs computer screen.  You know the computer screens where you sign with a stylus and it always looks like your signature is a complete and udder mess.

This is the case in Georgia.  It is probably also an excellent basis of any of you farkers are civil rights attorneys, to sue the hell out of these states.


Wow, that's crazy. I write like a 1st grader on those things.
 
2020-10-20 7:20:45 AM  

Doc Daneeka: qorkfiend: Doc Daneeka: Election officials are not handwriting experts and have no special training in handwriting analysis.  I have seen actual experts say that you typically need about a dozen reference samples of a person's signature to judge whether a new sample is a match or not, just to encompass all the natural variability everyone has when signing their name.  Election officials rely on ONE reference signature, which may be years old.

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

This type of disenfranchisement is downright criminal, but sadly typical for red states.

Vote early and in person wherever possible.  Make sure your vote counts.

They've always been able to toss ballots for a signature mismatch. The ruling says they're not required to give you a chance to fix it if they've tossed your ballot due to a signature mismatch.

And why should election workers with no special training in handwriting analysis be empowered to do that?  Why should they have the discretion to just reject ballots for that reason?

It just invites abuse and intentional voter suppression at worst.  Even in the best case scenario with well-meaning workers, many valid votes are likely rejected through simple errors in judgment by unqualified people.

It's a bullshiat system for identity verification.  My signature certainly doesn't always look exactly the same from one instance to the next.  No one's does.


I didn't say they should be able to. I responded specifically to your assertion of "now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for 'signature mismatch'" by pointing out it's false, because it is.

Reading comprehension, how does it work?
 
2020-10-20 7:25:32 AM  
Good thing you can at least track your ballot in Texas!

Oh, wait...
 
2020-10-20 7:25:44 AM  

qorkfiend: Doc Daneeka: qorkfiend: Doc Daneeka: Election officials are not handwriting experts and have no special training in handwriting analysis.  I have seen actual experts say that you typically need about a dozen reference samples of a person's signature to judge whether a new sample is a match or not, just to encompass all the natural variability everyone has when signing their name.  Election officials rely on ONE reference signature, which may be years old.

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

This type of disenfranchisement is downright criminal, but sadly typical for red states.

Vote early and in person wherever possible.  Make sure your vote counts.

They've always been able to toss ballots for a signature mismatch. The ruling says they're not required to give you a chance to fix it if they've tossed your ballot due to a signature mismatch.

And why should election workers with no special training in handwriting analysis be empowered to do that?  Why should they have the discretion to just reject ballots for that reason?

It just invites abuse and intentional voter suppression at worst.  Even in the best case scenario with well-meaning workers, many valid votes are likely rejected through simple errors in judgment by unqualified people.

It's a bullshiat system for identity verification.  My signature certainly doesn't always look exactly the same from one instance to the next.  No one's does.

I didn't say they should be able to. I responded specifically to your assertion of "now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for 'signature mismatch'" by pointing out it's false, because it is.

Reading comprehension, how does it work?


If we are going to critique reading comprehension here, I would point out that you omitted the rather important second clause in my sentence that you only partially quoted.

Here is the full sentence:

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

I know it's a lot of words and all, but I'm sure with enough reading practice you too can figure out what an "and" clause means.
 
2020-10-20 7:33:49 AM  

Doc Daneeka: qorkfiend: Doc Daneeka: qorkfiend: Doc Daneeka: Election officials are not handwriting experts and have no special training in handwriting analysis.  I have seen actual experts say that you typically need about a dozen reference samples of a person's signature to judge whether a new sample is a match or not, just to encompass all the natural variability everyone has when signing their name.  Election officials rely on ONE reference signature, which may be years old.

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

This type of disenfranchisement is downright criminal, but sadly typical for red states.

Vote early and in person wherever possible.  Make sure your vote counts.

They've always been able to toss ballots for a signature mismatch. The ruling says they're not required to give you a chance to fix it if they've tossed your ballot due to a signature mismatch.

And why should election workers with no special training in handwriting analysis be empowered to do that?  Why should they have the discretion to just reject ballots for that reason?

It just invites abuse and intentional voter suppression at worst.  Even in the best case scenario with well-meaning workers, many valid votes are likely rejected through simple errors in judgment by unqualified people.

It's a bullshiat system for identity verification.  My signature certainly doesn't always look exactly the same from one instance to the next.  No one's does.

I didn't say they should be able to. I responded specifically to your assertion of "now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for 'signature mismatch'" by pointing out it's false, because it is.

Reading comprehension, how does it work?

If we are going to critique reading comprehension here, I would point out that you omitted the rather important second clause in my sentence that you only partially quoted.

Here is the full sentence:

And now Texas has decided that these folks can just toss ballots for "signature mismatch," which they have neither the training nor the evidence to competently judge, and then not even bother to tell the voter that their ballot hasn't counted.

I know it's a lot of words and all, but I'm sure with enough reading practice you too can figure out what an "and" clause means.


And the preceding false clause was included in this sentence for what reason?

I know you're embarrassed, but that's no reason to lash out. Take a deep breath, count to ten, and you'll feel better.
 
2020-10-20 7:34:55 AM  
I've said it so many times already, but I'm going to keep saying it:

VOTE.
IN.
PERSON.

There is no effort whatsoever to hide what's coming next. Every single mail-in ballot is going to be challenged and many will be thrown out. You can see it coming a mile away, but there's still this idiotic push for mail in voting from the left. It's their version of the leopard face eating thing.
 
2020-10-20 7:35:09 AM  
And that's why I wont risk voting by mail. My signature is never exactly the same as a previous time.

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2020-10-20 7:37:31 AM  

shastacola: That is insane. Yikes.


Improperly filled out ballots at the polls have never counted... and people were never notified.  This is a nothing burger.
 
2020-10-20 7:44:57 AM  
Better have good handwriting or else you're screwed.
 
2020-10-20 7:45:48 AM  

dwrash: shastacola: That is insane. Yikes.

Improperly filled out ballots at the polls have never counted... and people were never notified.  This is a nothing burger.


Well that's bullshiat, at least in Michigan it is, improperly filled out ballots are spit out with the reason they are spoiled is given right on the screen, the voter gets to fix it right then and there. I know this for a fact, I've worked many elections as the person who stands at the machine and writes out the cards for spoiled votes so they can start over. The most common reason for a spoiled ballot that I see are people who vote straight party and then fill in the individual bubbles anyway or vote for too many people in categories where you're given multiple choices to vote for.
 
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