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(Times of Israel)   Pfizer begins mass producing unproven SARS-CoV-2 vaccine on the grounds that any Federal agency that approves Remdesivir will approve anything   (timesofisrael.com) divider line
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2020-10-19 5:01:18 PM  
Remdesivir might still work a little bit, but if you're going to die, you're going to die.
 
2020-10-19 5:03:43 PM  
I can't imagine why someone might want to get something approved by government  prior to January...

Show me the money peer reviewed Phase 3 clinical trial results
 
2020-10-19 5:09:03 PM  
Considering the approval policy at the FDA  currently has nothing to do with science subby is right. The FDA gave approval for hydroxychloroquine that actually killed people and caused long term harm. Remdesivir appears generally safe, considering it has been tried on multiple things starting with HIV in the 1980s and it didn't work then Ebola and it didn't work and now for covid and according to studies not sponsored  by the drug manufacturer it doesn't work for covid either.
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-673​6(20)​32021-3
 
2020-10-19 5:28:53 PM  
This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.
 
2020-10-19 5:40:56 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


Correct. They are running 3 shifts or at least looking for people to run 3 shifts making it. It has to be frozen for storage.
 
2020-10-19 5:51:53 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


Yep. Pfizer themselves put out a press release about it. Nothing to see here.
 
2020-10-19 5:52:42 PM  
good
 
2020-10-19 5:54:35 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what opferation "warpf spfeed" was about. The most pfromising vaccines would rampf upf pfroduction while the clinical trial were going on so they could depfloy immediately after it pfassed, if it pfassed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


I fixed it
 
2020-10-19 5:54:44 PM  
You must mean "FISA"

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2020-10-19 5:56:23 PM  
No thanks
 
2020-10-19 5:57:14 PM  
To be fair to Remdesivir,
It was under development for a decade as a broad-spectrum antiviral. It just happens to not treat Covid-19 very well...
 
2020-10-19 5:58:06 PM  
I thought remdesivir doesn't work against covid.
 
2020-10-19 6:00:30 PM  
Scary subby?  As was pointed out this was the point of Operation Warp Speed.  Medical refrigeration manufacturers are build units to keep it cold too.  The only reason I would be skeptical is if it was approved before the election.
 
2020-10-19 6:02:24 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


This is correct. The government is paying for the vaccines to be mass produced, site unseen on the assumption that one out of a dozen or so candidates will work. The idea being that the faster they can get functioning vaccines into the markets the faster the economy can recover and get back to some semblance of normal. Billions being flushed down the drain on a gamble, you betcha, but when weighed against a multi trillion dollar economy, every economist is essentially unanimous in agreeing that we would be stupid not to spend the money that is essentially a drop in the bucket of our larger economy, which makes it all the more impressive that the Trump administration was on board with it since the idea is a good one... but there may be a reason for that.

The real controversy isn't that we're paying for vaccines that at least a few are guaranteed not to work, but rather is the fact that some of these contracts went to pharmaceutical companies that have no experience with vaccines before Covid. I await to see what they produce and failure by them to produce something research wise that any reasonable immunization scientist could say had some merit should mean anyone involved on both the company side and government side should have handcuffs waiting for them on the way out of that review meeting.
 
2020-10-19 6:02:49 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


Literally yesterday there was an article here that Pfizer specifically would wait until after the election and after the Phase 3 clinical trial completion to seek their vaccines being deployed and administered. Fear mongering the population and politicizing vaccines is bad mmmkay. It's one thing to be skeptical it is another to outright lie just to create drama. You know what, I hope the vaccine is available as soon as possible. If that is before the election, Great. If it is after, so be it. I am not going to plug my ears and just scream Trump bad, vaccine bad until Biden takes office. Then magically all that goes away.
 
2020-10-19 6:03:11 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


Exactly. If it doesn't pass Phase 3 clinical trials, then they junk what was manufactured.
 
2020-10-19 6:05:03 PM  
Good. This is what Pfizer and others should be doing. No mass distribution before approval, but production? Absolutely.
 
Juc
2020-10-19 6:05:04 PM  
Here comes the flipper babies.
 
2020-10-19 6:05:08 PM  

Walker: You must mean "FISA"

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He's doing a Kennedy impression.  So what?

And cant forget

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2020-10-19 6:05:10 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


Exactly.  And whichever ones are produced en masse that have no or ill effects on patients are sent to third world countries, much like Jacksonville Jaguar Super Bowl champ shirts.
 
2020-10-19 6:08:57 PM  
OMG YOU GUYS THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO!!!!!1111ELEVENTY!!
 
2020-10-19 6:09:51 PM  
And while Remdesivir doesn't prevent you from dying of Covid, it does counteract a lot of the bad symptoms, which is its intended purpose.
 
2020-10-19 6:10:31 PM  

Thrakkorzog: Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.

Correct. They are running 3 shifts or at least looking for people to run 3 shifts making it. It has to be frozen for storage.


This is more or less the point of the DPA and was announced back in March / April. Even you're wasting 100s of millions of doses of potential vaccines at say 1-2 billion per 100 million doses, it's worth it in the long run considering how awful this pandemic and our response have been to the economy.
 
2020-10-19 6:11:14 PM  
Calm down, subby.  This is actually a good thing.  The government is underwriting the risk for producing a vaccine that may or may not pass phase 3 trials, so that when a vaccine does pass the trials, there will be millions of doses ready to go and a production line already in operation.  Could save weeks or more.
 
2020-10-19 6:13:15 PM  
And if it's not approved it goes straight to a third world country.

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2020-10-19 6:13:23 PM  

HighlanderRPI: I can't imagine why someone might want to get something approved by government  prior to January...

Show me the money peer reviewed Phase 3 clinical trial results


PFizer is also providing vaccines to Canada  nothing saying it may be approved here before the US
 
2020-10-19 6:13:23 PM  
Also, there was nothing wrong with getting EUA's for plaquenil or remdesivir.  What was wrong was touting a drug to the public as a cure before the science had proven anything.  But getting promising therapies with minimal, understood risks to patients is a good thing
 
2020-10-19 6:14:01 PM  

Juc: Here comes the flipper babies.


I just hope one of those drugs they come up with gives worms to ex girlfriends.
 
2020-10-19 6:16:03 PM  

Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.


This.

Pretty sure this was spelled out months ago.
 
2020-10-19 6:18:02 PM  

IRestoreFurniture: Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.

This.

Pretty sure this was spelled out months ago.


Yeah and we would be even more farked if they didn't. This is exactly what I expect to happen in a situation like this.
 
2020-10-19 6:25:20 PM  
What the shiat?

How the hell is this scary?

The WHOLE ENTIRE POINT of Operation Warp Speed was that we were going to start mass producing vaccines before they were approved, so that *IF* they did get approval, the part of the lag between "approved" and "mass availability" due to ramping up production could be minimized.

SMFH.
 
2020-10-19 6:26:11 PM  

thornhill: Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.

Exactly. If it doesn't pass Phase 3 clinical trials, then they junk what was manufactured.


But they get paid either way.
 
2020-10-19 6:43:28 PM  

WhackingDay: And while Remdesivir doesn't prevent you from dying of Covid, it does counteract a lot of the bad symptoms, which is its intended purpose.


Not according to this.
 
2020-10-19 7:00:41 PM  
Time to shiat or get off the pot, covid lovers.
 
2020-10-19 7:02:09 PM  
This is how biotech and pharmaceuticals work. They HAVE to start mass producing the vaccine if they eventually expect approval because they have to be ready to SHIP millions (billions) of doses out once it is approved. Mrs. Redonk is currently building a production team in a small biotech and learning these things as she goes.
 
2020-10-19 7:03:00 PM  

eurotrader: Considering the approval policy at the FDA  currently has nothing to do with science subby is right. The FDA gave approval for hydroxychloroquine that actually killed people and caused long term harm. Remdesivir appears generally safe, considering it has been tried on multiple things starting with HIV in the 1980s and it didn't work then Ebola and it didn't work and now for covid and according to studies not sponsored  by the drug manufacturer it doesn't work for covid either.
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736​(20)32021-3


False
 
2020-10-19 7:05:04 PM  
EUA is not the same thing as "approval"
 
2020-10-19 7:06:53 PM  
Better sell the government as much snake oil as you can while a desperate gang of mobsters is running everything.
 
2020-10-19 7:09:50 PM  

eurotrader: Considering the approval policy at the FDA  currently has nothing to do with science subby is right. The FDA gave approval for hydroxychloroquine that actually killed people and caused long term harm. Remdesivir appears generally safe, considering it has been tried on multiple things starting with HIV in the 1980s and it didn't work then Ebola and it didn't work and now for covid and according to studies not sponsored  by the drug manufacturer it doesn't work for covid either.
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736​(20)32021-3


Where did you get the idea hydroxychloroquine killed people and caused long term damage?

Was it from the study The Lancet published but then had to retract because it was so bad?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200​6​05/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-​study
 
2020-10-19 7:24:16 PM  
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2020-10-19 7:28:24 PM  
Ah my fellow Americans, shame what happened to our house of cards. Worst yet what we did about it. Still, I'm hopeful that the vaccine won't be worse than the illness.
 
2020-10-19 7:31:14 PM  
Remdesivir is not approved, it just has an EUA.
In case anyone didn't bother to mention that little detail.
 
2020-10-19 7:34:30 PM  
"Scary"? C'mon, subby, this is "Spiffy". Worst-case scenario is that the vaccine doesn't quite meet the "safe & effective" requirements, and we spend the money on hundreds of millions of vaccines that will go down the drain.

Best-case scenario is that the vaccine is proven safe & effective, and at that point we will already have enough to mass-distribute. I am (cautiously) optimistic that this will be the case. And if you still don't want it at that point, nobody's going to force you to take it.
 
2020-10-19 7:35:14 PM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: thornhill: Ambivalence: This isn't controversial. This is what operation "warp speed" was about. The most promising vaccines would ramp up production while the clinical trial were going on so they could deploy immediately after it passed, if it passed.

I'm sure Pfizer isn't the only ones doing it, either.

Exactly. If it doesn't pass Phase 3 clinical trials, then they junk what was manufactured.

But they get paid either way.



Do they really? If so, I'd actually be okay with it in this case. When people are motivated to get certain results (and needing that vaccine to be usable is a big incentive), they can do things to harm the study, usually unintentionally.

Even if they get paid for failure, there is still much more money to be made from success. I wouldn't worry about them abusing it, and even if they do, it's a price I would pay to put this plague behind us. Deal with it later. Get this shiat done. Whatever it costs, it's cheaper than not doing it.
 
2020-10-19 7:35:40 PM  

Charletron: eurotrader: Considering the approval policy at the FDA  currently has nothing to do with science subby is right. The FDA gave approval for hydroxychloroquine that actually killed people and caused long term harm. Remdesivir appears generally safe, considering it has been tried on multiple things starting with HIV in the 1980s and it didn't work then Ebola and it didn't work and now for covid and according to studies not sponsored  by the drug manufacturer it doesn't work for covid either.
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736​(20)32021-3

False


It was given the EUA not because anyone in infectious disease medicine thought it was a good idea it was more of stock scam trumpeted by a science idiot.   Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for hydroxychloroquine sulfate (HCQ) and chloroquine phosphate (CQ) revoked by the FDA the reasons  given the Adverse effects (AE) included death and abnormal heart rhythms such as QT interval prolongation and a dangerously rapid heart rate called ventricular tachycardia.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press​-​announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-upd​ate-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authoriz​ation-chloroquine-and
 
2020-10-19 7:35:44 PM  

Charletron: eurotrader: Considering the approval policy at the FDA  currently has nothing to do with science subby is right. The FDA gave approval for hydroxychloroquine that actually killed people and caused long term harm. Remdesivir appears generally safe, considering it has been tried on multiple things starting with HIV in the 1980s and it didn't work then Ebola and it didn't work and now for covid and according to studies not sponsored  by the drug manufacturer it doesn't work for covid either.
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736​(20)32021-3

False


Yes.
The FDA never approved hydroxychloroquine.
 
2020-10-19 7:37:12 PM  

eurotrader: Charletron: eurotrader: Considering the approval policy at the FDA  currently has nothing to do with science subby is right. The FDA gave approval for hydroxychloroquine that actually killed people and caused long term harm. Remdesivir appears generally safe, considering it has been tried on multiple things starting with HIV in the 1980s and it didn't work then Ebola and it didn't work and now for covid and according to studies not sponsored  by the drug manufacturer it doesn't work for covid either.
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736​(20)32021-3

False

It was given the EUA not because anyone in infectious disease medicine thought it was a good idea it was more of stock scam trumpeted by a science idiot.   Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for hydroxychloroquine sulfate (HCQ) and chloroquine phosphate (CQ) revoked by the FDA the reasons  given the Adverse effects (AE) included death and abnormal heart rhythms such as QT interval prolongation and a dangerously rapid heart rate called ventricular tachycardia.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-​announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-upd​ate-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authoriz​ation-chloroquine-and


An EUA is not an approval. Its an authorization for emergency use based on preliminary data, at doctors' discretion.
 
2020-10-19 7:44:37 PM  

Animatronik: eurotrader: Charletron: eurotrader: Considering the approval policy at the FDA  currently has nothing to do with science subby is right. The FDA gave approval for hydroxychloroquine that actually killed people and caused long term harm. Remdesivir appears generally safe, considering it has been tried on multiple things starting with HIV in the 1980s and it didn't work then Ebola and it didn't work and now for covid and according to studies not sponsored  by the drug manufacturer it doesn't work for covid either.
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736​(20)32021-3

False

It was given the EUA not because anyone in infectious disease medicine thought it was a good idea it was more of stock scam trumpeted by a science idiot.   Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for hydroxychloroquine sulfate (HCQ) and chloroquine phosphate (CQ) revoked by the FDA the reasons  given the Adverse effects (AE) included death and abnormal heart rhythms such as QT interval prolongation and a dangerously rapid heart rate called ventricular tachycardia.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-​announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-upd​ate-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authoriz​ation-chloroquine-and

An EUA is not an approval. Its an authorization for emergency use based on preliminary data, at doctors' discretion.


It appears you are out of your depth. hydroxychloroquine is approved for use by FDA it does have some other uses. Doctors are allowed to use drugs for off label use as they see fit without a EAU. It was a stock scam with the approval for an additional use (EAU) by the FDA. It was gross incompetence or corruption ( or a little of both) to grant the EAU approval to treat covid
 
2020-10-19 7:44:48 PM  

HighlanderRPI: I can't imagine why someone might want to get something approved by government  prior to January...

Show me the money peer reviewed Phase 3 clinical trial results


Already underway.
 
2020-10-19 8:01:41 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Time to shiat or get off the pot, covid lovers.


Baitception: When the bait is such low quality that one paradoxically bites because they genuinely can't even figure out where you're even trying to go with this drivel and are morbidly curious.
 
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