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2020-10-18 4:26:12 PM  
Well can the virus survive a high alcohol environment?

What if we find out being hammered all the time is the only way to prevent infection?

What then?  I thought so.
 
2020-10-18 4:27:08 PM  
But protests are ok still right?
 
2020-10-18 4:29:32 PM  
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2020-10-18 4:29:35 PM  

soupafi: But protests are ok still right?


Rules for thee!

Now quiet down while we weld you into your apartment.  It's for your own good citizen.
 
2020-10-18 4:31:47 PM  
"Braving" temperatures in the 40s, when a "heat wave" is 73...
 
2020-10-18 4:32:36 PM  
Trumpsters  in the uk?
 
2020-10-18 4:33:20 PM  

soupafi: But protests are ok still right?


Masks.

Maaaaaaasks.
 
2020-10-18 4:34:21 PM  

Charles of York: Trumpsters  in the uk?


Assholes live everywhere!
 
2020-10-18 4:34:34 PM  

soupafi: But protests are ok still right?


Protests are still necessary. It's unfortunate that awful people use them as an excuse to behave inexcusably.
 
2020-10-18 4:35:38 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Rules for thee!

Now quiet down while we weld you into your apartment.  It's for your own good citizen.


He was using extremely trashy deflection, comparing protesters to idiots, and you went along with it.
 
2020-10-18 4:38:48 PM  

Malenfant: thegreatmurgatroid: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Rules for thee!

Now quiet down while we weld you into your apartment.  It's for your own good citizen.

He was using extremely trashy deflection, comparing protesters to idiots, and you went along with it.


Lol no

(btw the joke's in your hand)
 
2020-10-18 4:41:33 PM  
For some people without drinking and partying it's not living.
 
2020-10-18 4:41:49 PM  
Is that whole country perpetually drunk?
 
2020-10-18 4:42:34 PM  
FTA:
some drinkers 'refused to go home'

I know who I want to take me home.

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2020-10-18 4:44:37 PM  
Some chose to repent for their sins and some chose to carry lucky charms with them to ward off the disease, but others abandoned religion entirely, instead leading lives of merriment. Indulging in the pleasures of life, these people sought parties wherever they could. Because so many believed the end was nigh, they no longer cared to keep their belongings, and items like houses became common property. Partygoers could walk into any house and claim it as theirs because people no longer were concerned with property rights. Then there were some who abandoned society entirely, choosing to lock themselves away as the plague spread through the towns around them. In their isolated cabins, they distracted themselves from the death and destruction with fine wine and music - the pleasantries of life.

Not the first time this happens. It happened during the black plague too.
 
2020-10-18 4:46:44 PM  
I think people are just getting stir crazy.  Everyone's been cooped up in their homes with little interaction with the real world for so long that they're becoming more willing to take chances just for the opportunity to do something.

That's not even taking into account all the people who've been unable to work and have burned through whatever savings they might have had.
 
2020-10-18 4:47:08 PM  
They're not wrong.
 
2020-10-18 4:47:23 PM  
Humans are silly.
 
2020-10-18 4:48:32 PM  

Abox: They're not wrong.


yeah... I remember freshman year
 
2020-10-18 4:50:01 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: Malenfant: thegreatmurgatroid: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Rules for thee!

Now quiet down while we weld you into your apartment.  It's for your own good citizen.

He was using extremely trashy deflection, comparing protesters to idiots, and you went along with it.

Lol no

(btw the joke's in your hand)


Now I see why you went along with it. Low IQ is a curse.
 
2020-10-18 4:50:41 PM  
There are Covid-19 Denial Assholes everywhere.
Facebook is 100% responsible for them and Russian Troll Farms are feeding the flames of DERP.
This bullshiat happened in Toronto.
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Then you have other stories like the 10,000 Guests to a Wedding MegaSpreader Event.

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2020-10-18 4:51:49 PM  

Abox: They're not wrong.


I came to say this exact thing. Only ironically.

I figure if I can wait a few more months, I can go back out properly without worrying about death by virus.

Death by alcohol, shenanigans, snu snu still on the table. What I'm trying to say is I'm gonna go giving bananas and tip like a farking Carnegie when the time comes.
 
2020-10-18 4:52:07 PM  
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2020-10-18 4:53:24 PM  
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2020-10-18 4:54:03 PM  
stay tuned for my new soon-to-be best-seller, Darwin Shrugged
 
2020-10-18 4:55:20 PM  
I always feel sorry for the health care workers who never get a break. They should go on strike and tell those who won't take it seriously, "good luck."
 
2020-10-18 4:56:31 PM  
there is a party in my pants right now
 
2020-10-18 4:57:57 PM  
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2020-10-18 5:01:29 PM  

soupafi: But protests are ok still right?


One is held indoors with poor ventilation and no social distancing.

One is held outdoors with good ventilation, masking and social distancing.

Also your intentional stupidity is un-becoming.
 
2020-10-18 5:03:53 PM  
 
2020-10-18 5:06:41 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

https://www.thecollegefix.com/boston-u​niversity-exempts-black-lives-matter-e​vents-from-covid-size-limits/


Literally the fourth word:

"Want to go marching ...'

Outdoors, shiatbird.
 
2020-10-18 5:07:02 PM  

OgreMagi: I think people are just getting stir crazy.  Everyone's been cooped up in their homes with little interaction with the real world for so long that they're becoming more willing to take chances just for the opportunity to do something.

That's not even taking into account all the people who've been unable to work and have burned through whatever savings they might have had.


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2020-10-18 5:17:17 PM  
Sorry, losers, but some people just want to LIVE THEIR LIVES. While you were cowering in your basement, these birds were getting finger blasted by a chav named Kev.
 
2020-10-18 5:17:20 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Is that whole country perpetually drunk?


Short answer: yes.

Long answer:  see the Sunday Times or the literary supplements for a list of further reading.
 
2020-10-18 5:18:39 PM  
Clearly the Obvious tag is out getting pissed.
 
2020-10-18 5:19:51 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

https://www.thecollegefix.com/boston-u​niversity-exempts-black-lives-matter-e​vents-from-covid-size-limits/


Somebody call Alanis Morisette.

I'd do it as it is a local call, but I am too lazy to look up her phone number. I wonder if she sold that apartment yet? It was quite nice. Full of chinoiserie, with three or four stories so she could have high ceilings in the entertaining rooms.
 
2020-10-18 5:26:46 PM  

cleek: stay tuned for my new soon-to-be best-seller, Darwin Shrugged


I know a good title when I see one, and that is a good title.
 
2020-10-18 5:33:15 PM  
On the other hand, if I had to live in London sober, I'm not sure I would disagree.
 
2020-10-18 5:35:05 PM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: "Braving" temperatures in the 40s, when a "heat wave" is 73...


That sounds like my kind of weather. Depending on the time of year, both are shorts weather.

when you get used to 0 to 25 degree degree F for a month or two, 40's feel warm enough for shorts

42 degrees F right now outside. Windows open. The breeze is nice.

/my rigged up 2nd filter (wet rag on the output) on my shopvac blew out as i was cleaning up durrock debris after cutting/fitting the last bits of my living room. Dry concrete dust went everywhere. Wife is out. I really really hope most of it clears before she comes back.
 
2020-10-18 5:35:20 PM  
On the plus side, I bet you're going to be able to pick up a nice castle on the cheap in about a year or so.
 
2020-10-18 5:41:48 PM  
Londoners decide drinking and partying is more important than living

Almost -- Londoners decide drinking and partying is more important than YOU living. Most morons seem to assume that THEY THEMSELVES will be perfectly fine, and don't give a rat's arse if their poor choices puts OTHERS at risk....

Which is exactly the same reason the US has such atrocious numbers, "mah freedumbs!" trump your right to life.
 
2020-10-18 5:46:04 PM  

Petey4335: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: "Braving" temperatures in the 40s, when a "heat wave" is 73...

That sounds like my kind of weather. Depending on the time of year, both are shorts weather.

when you get used to 0 to 25 degree degree F for a month or two, 40's feel warm enough for shorts

42 degrees F right now outside. Windows open. The breeze is nice.

/my rigged up 2nd filter (wet rag on the output) on my shopvac blew out as i was cleaning up durrock debris after cutting/fitting the last bits of my living room. Dry concrete dust went everywhere. Wife is out. I really really hope most of it clears before she comes back.


I hope the couch is clean if not.
 
2020-10-18 5:47:13 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: OgreMagi: I think people are just getting stir crazy.  Everyone's been cooped up in their homes with little interaction with the real world for so long that they're becoming more willing to take chances just for the opportunity to do something.

That's not even taking into account all the people who've been unable to work and have burned through whatever savings they might have had.

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What the hell does this have to do with trump?  Are you stupid?
 
2020-10-18 5:47:32 PM  

Tchernobog: Well can the virus survive a high alcohol environment?

What if we find out being hammered all the time is the only way to prevent infection?

What then?  I thought so.


Since recorded time started, alcohol has always been present.

Oh and...
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2020-10-18 5:51:56 PM  
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Both of these guys agree subby
 
2020-10-18 5:56:14 PM  

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I see what you did there...
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2020-10-18 6:00:07 PM  

sirrerun: On the other hand, if I had to live in London sober, I'm not sure I would disagree.


Agrees
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2020-10-18 6:01:38 PM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: "Braving" temperatures in the 40s, when a "heat wave" is 73...


They use Celsius in the UK...
 
2020-10-18 6:03:26 PM  
Drinking is more important than living. Partying is more important than living. But drinking and partying are more important than living.
 
2020-10-18 6:10:22 PM  
Portrait of a casedemic.

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2020-10-18 6:10:37 PM  

OgreMagi: Zeb Hesselgresser: OgreMagi: I think people are just getting stir crazy.  Everyone's been cooped up in their homes with little interaction with the real world for so long that they're becoming more willing to take chances just for the opportunity to do something.

That's not even taking into account all the people who've been unable to work and have burned through whatever savings they might have had.

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What the hell does this have to do with trump?  Are you stupid?


Narrator: yes, he is
 
2020-10-18 6:14:22 PM  

Tchernobog: Petey4335: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: "Braving" temperatures in the 40s, when a "heat wave" is 73...

That sounds like my kind of weather. Depending on the time of year, both are shorts weather.

when you get used to 0 to 25 degree degree F for a month or two, 40's feel warm enough for shorts

42 degrees F right now outside. Windows open. The breeze is nice.

/my rigged up 2nd filter (wet rag on the output) on my shopvac blew out as i was cleaning up durrock debris after cutting/fitting the last bits of my living room. Dry concrete dust went everywhere. Wife is out. I really really hope most of it clears before she comes back.

I hope the couch is clean if not.


Couch is in the 3 season room closed off from my stupidity.
 
2020-10-18 6:24:13 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Just kidding. Wear your mask to demonstrate your compliance and submission. Buy Chinese-made widgets for some dopamine and strengthening of china's economy and military might. The only way for everyone to be safe from something that affects a tiny portion of the population is to enable our "future" overlords, not question our orders, and submit with absolute compliance.


do you feel the same about shirts?

I wonder if this line of reasoning can be used so that women can walk around topless like men.
 
2020-10-18 6:28:03 PM  
This is not a repeat from 1349.
 
2020-10-18 6:28:09 PM  
If you feel like partying or protesting, google a few stories about ectremely fit people 25 to 35 who either died or wound up feeble and sick months after getting infected.

That'll sober you up right quick.
 
2020-10-18 6:32:14 PM  

Charles of York: Trumpsters  in the uk?


How your opinion of lockdowns relates to your politics often depends on where you live. In the UK, the most draconian lockdowns (including a new ordinance that forbids two people who do not live together from having sex indoors--good luck enforcing that!) have been implemented by the government of PM Boris Johnson, aka "the British Trump."
 
2020-10-18 6:32:37 PM  

Animatronik: If you feel like partying or protesting, google a few stories about ectremely fit people 25 to 35 who either died or wound up feeble and sick months after getting infected.

That'll sober you up right quick.


And if you google it, you'll only find a few stories.  It's no wonder a bunch of fat, old farkers who drink too much and think exercise is something douche bags do are so worried.
 
2020-10-18 6:32:49 PM  

i_dig_chicks: Is that whole country perpetually drunk?


Could explain a lot.
 
2020-10-18 6:34:24 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: There are Covid-19 Denial Assholes everywhere.
Facebook is 100% responsible for them and Russian Troll Farms are feeding the flames of DERP.
This bullshiat happened in Toronto.
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Then you have other stories like the 10,000 Guests to a Wedding MegaSpreader Event.

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Is the third policeman making pantomime boobs?
 
2020-10-18 6:43:23 PM  

Hyjamon: StoPPeRmobile: Just kidding. Wear your mask to demonstrate your compliance and submission. Buy Chinese-made widgets for some dopamine and strengthening of china's economy and military might. The only way for everyone to be safe from something that affects a tiny portion of the population is to enable our "future" overlords, not question our orders, and submit with absolute compliance.

do you feel the same about shirts?

I wonder if this line of reasoning can be used so that women can walk around topless like men.


I certainly hope so!
 
2020-10-18 6:43:27 PM  
At least the Londoners have English beer to keep them warm on chilly nights.
 
2020-10-18 6:46:57 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: We will all get it. Flatten the curve, and slow the spread? Why? Because we will all get it, eventually.


What they found in Italy was that when everyone gets it at once they have to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't. Don't worry, I'm sure you won't get seriously ill. And if you do the medical staff will definately decide you deserve to be saved. You seem like the kind of person who would deserve it.

Oh, one small side effect, don't get a deep cut, or get into a road accident or well anything. Because when every hospital bed is full of covid patients they aren't going to keep one just for you and your hedge-trimming injury.
 
2020-10-18 6:53:36 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: Portrait of a casedemic.

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Maybe most of the people who would die from it have already died?

I guess it is one way of getting herd immunity.

Either that or it is a lot less deadly than previously thought.
 
2020-10-18 6:54:46 PM  
In this thread I obey Poe's law
 
2020-10-18 6:55:00 PM  
To learn more about the whackjobs at AAPS (the topic of Dribble's stupid link), see this story: https://www.theatlantic.com/he​alth/arc​hive/2020/02/aaps-make-health-care-gre​at-again/607015/

They're anti-abortion, anti-medicare goobers.
 
2020-10-18 7:02:28 PM  

soupafi: But protests are ok still right?


Sure they wear their mask.
 
2020-10-18 7:03:10 PM  

dready zim: Maybe most of the people who would die from it have already died?

I guess it is one way of getting herd immunity.

Either that or it is a lot less deadly than previously thought.


They increased the number of tests twenty fold between the two waves. Divide the case numbers by twenty to get equivalence.
 
2020-10-18 7:04:56 PM  

OgreMagi: I think people are just getting stir crazy.  Everyone's been cooped up in their homes with little interaction with the real world for so long that they're becoming more willing to take chances just for the opportunity to do something.

That's not even taking into account all the people who've been unable to work and have burned through whatever savings they might have had.


Their English most of the never worked a day in their life and are on the dole.
 
2020-10-18 7:10:24 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu:

Jeebus Saves: Says the guy who shiats his pants at the sight of someone not wearing a mask.

Right. The person advocating the use of safety equipment is the one who is shiatting his pants, not the milquetoast who is going to pass out because he just feels like he can't bweathe wif the big mean mask on. You plague rats are pathetic.


Do you wear a helmet at all times?  Wait, sorry.  You probably do.  But you keep wearing that mask while you order a pound of ham at the deli.  Keep thinking you're saving the world.  You are totally making a difference.
 
2020-10-18 7:27:01 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Keep thinking you're saving the world.  You are totally making a difference.


Since there's zero cost to me to wear one, and since I understand the physics of particle capture and filtration, yes I--and everybody else doing the right thing--are helping to save the world. "People" like you are trying to spread contagion. Let us know when your balls finally drop and you stop being scared of masks and decide to join the modern world.
 
2020-10-18 7:27:11 PM  

soupafi: But protests are ok still right?


Have a nice cup of this tea, kamerade.
 
2020-10-18 7:29:06 PM  
The Rooskie trolls are out in force, aren't they.
 
2020-10-18 7:33:01 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Have a nice cup of this tea, kamerade.


No, no - for special plague rat comrades we have koolaid - best from our good friend Reverend Jones.  Vashe zrodovye!
 
2020-10-18 7:33:42 PM  
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Americans western culture
 
2020-10-18 7:40:46 PM  

Malenfant: thegreatmurgatroid: Malenfant: thegreatmurgatroid: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Rules for thee!

Now quiet down while we weld you into your apartment.  It's for your own good citizen.

He was using extremely trashy deflection, comparing protesters to idiots, and you went along with it.

Lol no

(btw the joke's in your hand)

Now I see why you went along with it. Low IQ is a curse.


A curse that hurts those more who don't suffer from it.
 
2020-10-18 8:04:07 PM  

cleek: stay tuned for my new soon-to-be best-seller, Darwin Shrugged


Would it be just as stupid as Ayan Rand?

Synopsis: Libertarian internet troll and I.T. desk jockey, John Gulp, works from home at full pay. He laughs at the rubes who refuse to stay home during a pandemic.

He orders all his food from Grub hub and the local supermarket, laughing that those idiots who prepared his food for money, like some ancient caveman. He enjoys the electricity those idiots at the power company supply him through hundreds of thousands of miles of copper ad labor for money. What doofuses.

He orders all his fancy toys and gadgets from fellow Mega Genius and part-time dragon hoarder, Jeff Bezsos. Who employed an army of barely above market value slaves who can't afford rent and work 12 hour days in his many warehouses.

One day John Gulp looks out his window to see a caravan of wandering homeless people evicted from thier houses. He pulls out his Walmart megaphone and yells at them from the window "stop spreading plague you poors, go back to your homes!". They answer back "but I haven't had a job for 6 months!" some shout! Others cry "I'm on my way to work on foot, for I missed my car payment from my second job getting canceled."

John Gulp, in his infinite I.Q. has a gotcha question just for them. "But, haha, I saw on the news, just this morn! I read a headline that everyone in London, England and Miami, Florida are partying it up. You are all a bunch of MAGA fools!"

One shouted back "Wouldn't it be physically impossible to fit 2 million people into every pub and bar in either city?". But too late, John went back to his EZ-Boy XXXL reclining computer chair and had closed the window and was reaching to his tub of Jerguns.

Once Lord Darwin, winner of internet arguments has killed all the proles, ot would be him and his fellow I.T. professionals to rebuild society. An army of robots would do all the farming, infrastructure and manufacturing. It will be a Utopia.

Now on sale on Amazon. $35 hardback, $10.99 U.S. $12.79 Can. paperback.
 
2020-10-18 8:04:32 PM  

recombobulator: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: "Braving" temperatures in the 40s, when a "heat wave" is 73...

They use Celsius in the UK...


No, they use Fahrenheit when it's hot because 100 degrees sounds hotter than 38 degrees. When it's cold they use Celsius because 0 degrees sounds colder than 32 degrees.
 
2020-10-18 8:06:09 PM  

EL EM: i_dig_chicks: Is that whole country perpetually drunk?

Could explain a lot.


i am
 
2020-10-18 8:08:42 PM  

dready zim: Cornelius Dribble: Portrait of a casedemic.

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Maybe most of the people who would die from it have already died?

I guess it is one way of getting herd immunity.

Either that or it is a lot less deadly than previously thought.


Viruses tend to become less lethal as they mutate (killing the host too fast does not help transmission) but so far Covid seems to be mutating more slowly than most. My unscientific guess is that today's testing is discovering more asymptomatic infections that would have gone undetected during the first wave, which would mean that in the spring there were actually 5-10 times more cases than there are today. Maybe the UK is indeed closer to collective immunity than previously thought, whatever percent the HIT may happen to be.

Which would be nice. But then skepticism can easily be just an excuse for believing what you want to believe. I try to tap the brakes whenever I feel myself agreeing too much with one side or the other.
 
2020-10-18 8:11:06 PM  

middlewaytao: [Fark user image image 470x217]

Americans western culture


Hey, don't lump us responsible countries that are having good success at limiting covid. More likely it's a whole of humanity thing, anyhow.
 
2020-10-18 8:27:39 PM  
Thats some US level stupid right there.
 
2020-10-18 8:54:42 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Tchernobog: Well can the virus survive a high alcohol environment?

What if we find out being hammered all the time is the only way to prevent infection?

What then?  I thought so.

Since recorded time started, alcohol has always been present.


There's actually a theory involving evolution.  Fruit flies (drosophilia) developed senses to detect and feast on rotting/fermenting fruit.  Humans and drosophilia are about 60% similar in the genome with 75% in particular diseases.

Somewhere back in time, an ancestor buzzing around found the nectar of the gods, and passed it on.
 
2020-10-18 8:56:13 PM  

bubbahughes: Charles of York: Trumpsters  in the uk?

Assholes live everywhere!


They are alive and well on Fark.
 
2020-10-18 8:58:07 PM  

Notabunny: Abox: They're not wrong.

yeah... I remember freshman year


Too easy. I'll just get a 24 hour time-out.
 
2020-10-18 9:43:48 PM  

Malenfant: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Protests are still necessary. It's unfortunate that awful people use them as an excuse to behave inexcusably.


I think you and I might have different definitions of necessary.
 
2020-10-18 9:46:31 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: There are Covid-19 Denial Assholes everywhere.
Facebook is 100% responsible for them and Russian Troll Farms are feeding the flames of DERP.
This bullshiat happened in Toronto.
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Then you have other stories like the 10,000 Guests to a Wedding MegaSpreader Event.

[Fark user image image 425x527]


Yes, facebook Russia.
 
2020-10-18 9:52:10 PM  

Excelsior: Londoners decide drinking and partying is more important than living

Almost -- Londoners decide drinking and partying is more important than YOU living. Most morons seem to assume that THEY THEMSELVES will be perfectly fine, and don't give a rat's arse if their poor choices puts OTHERS at risk....

Which is exactly the same reason the US has such atrocious numbers, "mah freedumbs!" trump your right to life.


What a bore.
 
2020-10-18 9:52:11 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Ayan Rand


*snrk*
 
2020-10-18 9:55:34 PM  

BarryJV: StoPPeRmobile: We will all get it. Flatten the curve, and slow the spread? Why? Because we will all get it, eventually.

What they found in Italy was that when everyone gets it at once they have to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't. Don't worry, I'm sure you won't get seriously ill. And if you do the medical staff will definately decide you deserve to be saved. You seem like the kind of person who would deserve it.

Oh, one small side effect, don't get a deep cut, or get into a road accident or well anything. Because when every hospital bed is full of covid patients they aren't going to keep one just for you and your hedge-trimming injury.


5% of available beds in my state have covid patients. I think we'll be ok.
 
2020-10-18 10:16:27 PM  

duncan_bayne: AppleOptionEsc: Ayan Rand

*snrk*


Actually, snark aside, Rand cited collective problems (specifically atmospheric pollution, although she could have presumably used global pandemics as well) as calling for collective solutions - i.e. regulation by law.

"If the condition is collective, such as in an overcrowded city, appropriate and objective laws can be defined, protecting the rights of all those involved"

It's hard to say definitively, but I'd assume that Rand would have been A-OK with rational, science-supported, anti-pandemic legislation.
 
2020-10-18 10:57:34 PM  

EL EM: i_dig_chicks: Is that whole country perpetually drunk?

Could

Does explain a lot.
 
2020-10-19 12:58:12 AM  
I'm guessing Europeans are now very, very happy that Brexit happened.
 
2020-10-19 1:26:09 AM  

bobbyjoebobby: BarryJV: StoPPeRmobile: We will all get it. Flatten the curve, and slow the spread? Why? Because we will all get it, eventually.

What they found in Italy was that when everyone gets it at once they have to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't. Don't worry, I'm sure you won't get seriously ill. And if you do the medical staff will definately decide you deserve to be saved. You seem like the kind of person who would deserve it.

Oh, one small side effect, don't get a deep cut, or get into a road accident or well anything. Because when every hospital bed is full of covid patients they aren't going to keep one just for you and your hedge-trimming injury.

5% of available beds in my state have covid patients. I think we'll be ok.


1) It's not over yet
2) Are you aware of how exponential rates work?
 
2020-10-19 2:37:18 AM  
How did these sots ever have an empire the sun never set on?
 
2020-10-19 2:41:13 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, losers, but some people just want to LIVE THEIR LIVES. While you were cowering in your basement, these birds were getting finger blasted by a chav named Kev.


BINGO!  I won Cockney Bingo just with your one post!
 
2020-10-19 4:05:05 AM  

LordBeavis: How did these sots ever have an empire the sun never set on?


Or saving the world from NAZIs.

The day I tried to match Churchill drink for drink
Youtube Q0u0KKAbIoo
 
2020-10-19 4:06:47 AM  

LiberalConservative: middlewaytao: [Fark user image image 470x217]

Americans western culture

Hey, don't lump us responsible countries that are having good success at limiting covid. More likely it's a whole of humanity thing, anyhow.


*Watching cases spike all across Europe*  Which "western" countries would those be...?

Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland, or Norway?

Cause the rest of Europe is throwing down some hard Second Wave numbers... and the US?  They can hardly tell the second wave started because they were riding the first wave like a surfing champion...
 
2020-10-19 4:10:13 AM  
Whoops, forgot to hit refresh on my map - remove Poland, Lithuania, and add in most of Estonia... My B.
 
2020-10-19 4:21:35 AM  

makerofbadjokes: LiberalConservative: middlewaytao: [Fark user image image 470x217]

Americans western culture

Hey, don't lump us responsible countries that are having good success at limiting covid. More likely it's a whole of humanity thing, anyhow.

*Watching cases spike all across Europe*  Which "western" countries would those be...?

Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland, or Norway?

Cause the rest of Europe is throwing down some hard Second Wave numbers... and the US?  They can hardly tell the second wave started because they were riding the first wave like a surfing champion...


Australia. Doing well... relatively. Borders are still mostly closed, including state borders. I've been covid tested five times by my main client as a precaution (though the test does hurt). The only real problem is other countries farking it up and allowing this bastard covid to thrive.
 
2020-10-19 5:07:04 AM  

LiberalConservative: makerofbadjokes: LiberalConservative: middlewaytao: [Fark user image image 470x217]

Americans western culture

Hey, don't lump us responsible countries that are having good success at limiting covid. More likely it's a whole of humanity thing, anyhow.

*Watching cases spike all across Europe*  Which "western" countries would those be...?

Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland, or Norway?

Cause the rest of Europe is throwing down some hard Second Wave numbers... and the US?  They can hardly tell the second wave started because they were riding the first wave like a surfing champion...

Australia. Doing well... relatively. Borders are still mostly closed, including state borders. I've been covid tested five times by my main client as a precaution (though the test does hurt). The only real problem is other countries farking it up and allowing this bastard covid to thrive.


Australian here too. We're doing well in terms of COVID case numbers but have made a bonfire of personal wellbeing and the economy, especially here in Victoria.

The repercussions of this will be felt for years or decades to come, especially if our Muppet of a Premier continues to chase elimination, and doubly so if an effective vaccine is late or never eventuates.
 
2020-10-19 6:26:11 AM  
Sorry Aussie friends, My map doesn't show current coding down there...  I've heard of spikes and drops a few times.  And we aren't even going to talk about New Zealand.  Teacher's pets...
 
2020-10-19 6:32:18 AM  

duncan_bayne: LiberalConservative: makerofbadjokes: LiberalConservative: middlewaytao: [Fark user image image 470x217]

Americans western culture

Hey, don't lump us responsible countries that are having good success at limiting covid. More likely it's a whole of humanity thing, anyhow.

*Watching cases spike all across Europe*  Which "western" countries would those be...?

Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland, or Norway?

Cause the rest of Europe is throwing down some hard Second Wave numbers... and the US?  They can hardly tell the second wave started because they were riding the first wave like a surfing champion...

Australia. Doing well... relatively. Borders are still mostly closed, including state borders. I've been covid tested five times by my main client as a precaution (though the test does hurt). The only real problem is other countries farking it up and allowing this bastard covid to thrive.

Australian here too. We're doing well in terms of COVID case numbers but have made a bonfire of personal wellbeing and the economy, especially here in Victoria.

The repercussions of this will be felt for years or decades to come, especially if our Muppet of a Premier continues to chase elimination, and doubly so if an effective vaccine is late or never eventuates.


WA here. Different state, different lens being viewed through, I guess. Those hard controls in VIC are saving similar explosions in other states. But yes, there is a cost.
 
2020-10-19 8:06:32 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Animatronik: If you feel like partying or protesting, google a few stories about ectremely fit people 25 to 35 who either died or wound up feeble and sick months after getting infected.

That'll sober you up right quick.

And if you google it, you'll only find a few stories.  It's no wonder a bunch of fat, old farkers who drink too much and think exercise is something douche bags do are so worried.


There are more than a few stories.
Also, the most important stories are people over 40, who werent esoecially fat, who got very suck very quickly.

The cost of wearing a mask and keepung the right distance is small.  The cost of skipping indoor parties is small.
 
2020-10-19 8:16:29 AM  
We are starting to get to the point where people are saying the risk of contracting covid is outweighed by the absence of normalcy.

I honestly can't blame people.
 
2020-10-19 8:24:58 AM  

sprgrss: We are starting to get to the point where people are saying the risk of contracting covid is outweighed by the absence of normalcy.

I honestly can't blame people.


I blame people for being stupid.
You should do everything you can to avoid contracting and spreading this disease.
By the time we find out herd immunity had no chance of working, more than a million will be dead.
If you think this will only hurt people who were fat or had the wrong politics or were sickly and taxing the health care system, that is simply not borne out by the facts.
 
2020-10-19 10:40:58 AM  

LordBeavis: How did these sots ever have an empire the sun never set on?


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They brought a flag
 
2020-10-19 11:11:26 AM  
People in another part of the world doing the same ignorant petulant child act we're doing.
Yep, they're our cousins alright.
 
2020-10-19 12:00:42 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Malenfant: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Protests are still necessary. It's unfortunate that awful people use them as an excuse to behave inexcusably.

I think you and I might have different definitions of necessary.


So far they haven't really been necessary for straight white employed men.
Then of course they haven't been, have they? Wonder why that is?
 
2020-10-19 12:26:26 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: My unscientific guess is that today's testing is discovering more asymptomatic infections that would have gone undetected during the first wave, which would mean that in the spring there were actually 5-10 times more cases than there are today.


BarryJV: They increased the number of tests twenty fold between the two waves. Divide the case numbers by twenty to get equivalence.


Both of you seem to have missed where I said:

dready zim: Either that or it is a lot less deadly than previously thought.


If 5-10 times, then the lethality of the virus is 0.3-0.6%

if 20 times then it is 0.15-0.2%

This range (0.15%-0.6%) fits in with ranges some official bodies are saying

"the CDC in its "Pandemic Planning Scenarios" document estimated the death rate was about 0.26%, a number calculated by combining the CDC estimates for the death rate for symptomatic cases and the number of infected people who have no symptoms."

But that number lies within a range of estimates. Saying the CDC has "confirmed" that as the death rate paints a misleading picture because the CDC has clearly stated the number is subject to change.

It is interesting however that as testing improves and becomes more widespread, the ratio of cases to deaths favours lower estimates for how deadly the virus is.
 
2020-10-19 12:53:45 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: LordBeavis: How did these sots ever have an empire the sun never set on?

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They brought a flag


No flag, no country. You can't have one!

One of the best, if not the best comedy specials ever. I need to watch it again.
 
2020-10-19 1:11:32 PM  

dready zim: Cornelius Dribble: My unscientific guess is that today's testing is discovering more asymptomatic infections that would have gone undetected during the first wave, which would mean that in the spring there were actually 5-10 times more cases than there are today.

BarryJV: They increased the number of tests twenty fold between the two waves. Divide the case numbers by twenty to get equivalence.

Both of you seem to have missed where I said:

dready zim: Either that or it is a lot less deadly than previously thought.

If 5-10 times, then the lethality of the virus is 0.3-0.6%

if 20 times then it is 0.15-0.2%

This range (0.15%-0.6%) fits in with ranges some official bodies are saying

"the CDC in its "Pandemic Planning Scenarios" document estimated the death rate was about 0.26%, a number calculated by combining the CDC estimates for the death rate for symptomatic cases and the number of infected people who have no symptoms."

But that number lies within a range of estimates. Saying the CDC has "confirmed" that as the death rate paints a misleading picture because the CDC has clearly stated the number is subject to change.

It is interesting however that as testing improves and becomes more widespread, the ratio of cases to deaths favours lower estimates for how deadly the virus is.


i didn't miss what you said, I just kind of skipped over it. Sorry about that. It seemed to me there were two possibilities: either the virus has become less lethal during the course of the year, or it has always been less lethal than we thought (this is your opinion, I believe), but today we have more complete data.

If the second interpretation is true, that's troubling, because most countries are still basing their policy on the intial,overblown (?) Imperial College fatality estimates. Also, trying to curb the spread of a virus that has already spread pretty much everywhere strikes me as not a little bit quixotic.
 
2020-10-19 1:24:36 PM  

rewind2846: Fark_Guy_Rob: Malenfant: soupafi: But protests are ok still right?

Protests are still necessary. It's unfortunate that awful people use them as an excuse to behave inexcusably.

I think you and I might have different definitions of necessary.

So far they haven't really been necessary for straight white employed men.
Then of course they haven't been, have they? Wonder why that is?


But they have been necessary for gay white employed men (pride) and straight white unemployed men (Jarrow march). Straight white employed men who are employed by Amazon, for example, would think it necessary to protest against their working conditions if they were not fully occupied trying to just pay their rent and keep their job (anyway they would get fired if they complained).

It does look as if it is pretty much just middle class and upwards, straight, white, employed, men who are in the group you are talking about. In fact, people on that sort of money whatever their colour, gender, or sexuality, don't have much to complain about.

How about we just call them the rich? It is their only common defining characteristic if we are fair.

They do seem to be the common denominator in most protests, and of course their hired attack dogs, the police.

The rich really have done an amazing job in turning poor people of all types against each other when they are the real enemy in all this. If you look at history, there was a time when black and white poor people started to be united against the rich and rightly so. This worried the rich employers and landowners so they decided to treat poor black people worse than poor white people creating an artificial two-tier system. This (again rightly so) got black people angry at white people because white people got better treatment, and it got white people scared that if black people got fair treatment, that the little that was spared by the rich would be taken from them. This divided the poor and got them fighting each other instead of the rich.

It was amazingly effective and still works to this day.

Love them or hate them, you have to hand them that. It is literally institutional and very deliberate, but the institutions are only put in place by the rich, not everyone.

But don't play their game, they have engineered it so only they win. The only winning move is not to play.

Instead, see that the true enemies are the rich and the police and that the rich use the police as a stick to enforce the rules of their game. They use their stick unfairly so you complain about how unfairly the rules of the game are administered, instead of seeing that it is the maker of the game who is to blame. The one thing they do not want is for the hate to be directed at the rich, that should be the only goal of almost any protest against the injustice of societal structures.

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2020-10-19 1:28:13 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: It seemed to me there were two possibilities: either the virus has become less lethal during the course of the year, or it has always been less lethal than we thought (this is your opinion, I believe), but today we have more complete data.


Both possibilities are quite likely. A virus will evolve to be less deadly and to infect more people before the host notices symptoms, and when early testing is patchy, cases that do not require treatment or are asymptomatic will be missed meaning a rise in cases when effective testing is widespread.
 
2020-10-19 3:08:05 PM  

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Both of these guys agree subby


Related?

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2020-10-19 4:40:43 PM  

dready zim: Cornelius Dribble: My unscientific guess is that today's testing is discovering more asymptomatic infections that would have gone undetected during the first wave, which would mean that in the spring there were actually 5-10 times more cases than there are today.

BarryJV: They increased the number of tests twenty fold between the two waves. Divide the case numbers by twenty to get equivalence.

Both of you seem to have missed where I said:

dready zim: Either that or it is a lot less deadly than previously thought.

If 5-10 times, then the lethality of the virus is 0.3-0.6%

if 20 times then it is 0.15-0.2%

This range (0.15%-0.6%) fits in with ranges some official bodies are saying

"the CDC in its "Pandemic Planning Scenarios" document estimated the death rate was about 0.26%, a number calculated by combining the CDC estimates for the death rate for symptomatic cases and the number of infected people who have no symptoms."

But that number lies within a range of estimates. Saying the CDC has "confirmed" that as the death rate paints a misleading picture because the CDC has clearly stated the number is subject to change.

It is interesting however that as testing improves and becomes more widespread, the ratio of cases to deaths favours lower estimates for how deadly the virus is.


Maybe someday we'll know more of the real story.  I hear anecdotes by one friend that I will just file back in my mind and see if someday they get confirmed.
 
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