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2020-10-18 5:42:05 PM  
Trump is actually the perfect former president to punish for his actions. Once he's out of office and no use to the GOP, there will be more than a few in their ranks who would be happy to put him away.

As long as Barr,  DeVos, Ross, etc. get their day  in court as well. If they didn't do anything illegal, I'm sure they'd welcome the chance to clear the air and put the Trump error behind us.
 
2020-10-18 5:42:24 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Xai: If trump has broken laws then he should be prosecuted.

No man is above the law.

Most wealthy people are above the law.
Haven't you noticed that yet?

Whos going to hold a trump accountable?
The Cops?
You?


Here's the problem if nothing is done to the criminal enterprise also known as the Trump administration.

If no legal actions are taken against many members of said criminal enterprise, then the next time it happens (and it would definitely happen again), you can bet your ass that the people of the US would take 'dealing with' another criminal administration in a much less 'genteel' way (that is, there would be a lot of people that would take physical action against said administration).

It's one reason why even the Founding fathers realized that there had to be a way to deal with at least a criminal president (impeachment).  Because if there is no legal way to deal with them, then people will take it upon them to engage in much more illegal actions.
 
2020-10-18 5:43:19 PM  
Democracy does in darkness~
 
2020-10-18 5:44:42 PM  
RWNJs really need to see a doctor, their hard-on for Hunter Biden has lasted longer than 4 months.
 
2020-10-18 5:46:04 PM  

Exluddite: Every time Even when Republicans aren't areprosecuted, they answer with even more reprehensible behavior. Holding them accountable is the only answer. They have no shame.


Their response to the impeachment of Nixon has been to support the Republican President no matter what he has done.
 
2020-10-18 5:49:37 PM  

MattytheMouse: Democracy does in darkness~


...Dallas.

/darn that autocorrect
//it must be hard for a mouse to type!
/// "Democracy Dies in Darkness," increasingly an observation instead of a warning
 
2020-10-18 5:50:25 PM  
He is not wrong.

Our republic operated  under the notion you had honorable people. Yes, they were always questionably honorable.

We cannot ever hope to have a peaceful transfer of power if the outgoing group fears  prosecution.

By electing a leader we gave them absolution;. I hate trump  but i will not sink the republic for him.

The bastard walks.
 
2020-10-18 5:50:40 PM  
Execute the Trump klan 2021

/execute them
 
2020-10-18 5:51:19 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: MattytheMouse: Democracy does in darkness~

...Dallas.

/darn that autocorrect
//it must be hard for a mouse to type!
/// "Democracy Dies in Darkness," increasingly an observation instead of a warning


Dammit! You're right. I'm just a mouse on a keyboard.
 
2020-10-18 5:58:35 PM  
Altimus Prime:

So things like the Ukraine call, middle east F-35s for peace deals, interference within the CDC -- those all tie in some respect to policy, and you'd be opening many pandora's boxes if prosecution for such things became the norm

If stuff like that was investigated and prosecuted properly they wouldn't be "the norm" to begin with.
 
2020-10-18 6:00:07 PM  

MarciusDecimus: He is not wrong.

Our republic operated  under the notion you had honorable people. Yes, they were always questionably honorable.

We cannot ever hope to have a peaceful transfer of power if the outgoing group fears  prosecution.

By electing a leader we gave them absolution;. I hate trump  but i will not sink the republic for him.

The bastard walks.


Our democracy operates under the principle that all are equal and that all are equally held to account, those in power especially.

There is no reason to believe that holding Trump to account for crimes would lead all future administrations to fear prosecution, except in instances where they acted criminally and such fear is warranted.

There is no reason to believe that a peaceful transition of power would be impossible even in the case that an outgoing admin fears prosecution.

"By electing a leader we gave them absolution," is perhaps the single most anti-democratic and outright anti-American thing I've read on Fark in a long time.

In short, your opinion is nothing but a bunch of useless platitudes with no basis in reality, strung together to create the flimsiest pretense of a cogent thought. At that, it fails miserably.

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2020-10-18 6:00:15 PM  

Trainspotr: Trump is actually the perfect former president to punish for his actions. Once he's out of office and no use to the GOP, there will be more than a few in their ranks who would be happy to put him away.

As long as Barr,  DeVos, Ross, etc. get their day  in court as well. If they didn't do anything illegal, I'm sure they'd welcome the chance to clear the air and put the Trump error behind us.


Trump is perfect because once you start investigating his crimes you are going to find ties to the crimes of the entire Trump family/organization. You're also going to find ties to crimes committed by the RNC and RNA. If you investigate those you'll find that a lot of prominent Republicans are criminals. Keep pulling at the threads and eventually you'll need to build a prison for all the conservatives that below there.
 
2020-10-18 6:01:29 PM  

MarciusDecimus: He is not wrong.
Our republic operated  under the notion you had honorable people. Yes, they were always questionably honorable.
We cannot ever hope to have a peaceful transfer of power if the outgoing group fears  prosecution.
By electing a leader we gave them absolution;. I hate trump  but i will not sink the republic for him.
The bastard walks.


F*CK THAT NOISE.  There is a difference between misfeasance and malfeasance.  It needs to be pushed as hard as possible on as many of these complicit sh*tstains as possible and made into a warning for future generations.  The Repubs have been getting away with entirely too much for entirely too long.
 
2020-10-18 6:02:36 PM  

MattytheMouse: DoBeDoBeLurk: MattytheMouse: Democracy does in darkness~

...Dallas.

/darn that autocorrect
//it must be hard for a mouse to type!
/// "Democracy Dies in Darkness," increasingly an observation instead of a warning

Dammit! You're right. I'm just a mouse on a keyboard.


i.pinimg.comView Full Size

It must be like pilates for you. Can you hit H + the Windows key to turn on speech-to-text with your tiny, tiny body? Or does it just register "eek, eek, eek?"

God, I'm racist. Specist?
 
2020-10-18 6:04:36 PM  
 
2020-10-18 6:05:19 PM  
Wow, I mean, welcome to Fark and all, but this has to be some kind of record for the headline saying the exact opposite of what's in the article. And especially on something this important, good work!
 
2020-10-18 6:05:51 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: MattytheMouse: DoBeDoBeLurk: MattytheMouse: Democracy does in darkness~

...Dallas.

/darn that autocorrect
//it must be hard for a mouse to type!
/// "Democracy Dies in Darkness," increasingly an observation instead of a warning

Dammit! You're right. I'm just a mouse on a keyboard.

[i.pinimg.com image 600x338]
It must be like pilates for you. Can you hit H + the Windows key to turn on speech-to-text with your tiny, tiny body? Or does it just register "eek, eek, eek?"

God, I'm racist. Specist?


It's a workout, I tell you! And unfortunately, my computer doesn't have an integrated mic.
 
2020-10-18 6:05:53 PM  
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2020-10-18 6:06:39 PM  

emtwo: Our democracy operates under the principle that all are equal and that all are equally held to account, those in power especially.


Like hell it does.  It used to be an aspiration, needs to be again.
 
2020-10-18 6:07:34 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Trump is accused of being compromised and using his office for personal enrichment, but it's all speculation.

Meanwhile here are some known facts:

Hunter Biden had a 50k per month salary with Burisma.....despite no background in their industry and no connections to the country.

Oh, btw.  It's documented fact Burisma was trying to get close to well connected individuals with the literal purpose of trying to influence investigations being done on them.  From the NYT:
" Hunter Biden and his American business partners were part of a broad effort by Burisma to bring in well-connected Democrats during a period when the company was facing investigations backed not just by domestic Ukrainian forces but by officials in the Obama administration."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/​politics/biden-son-ukraine.html?smid=n​ytcore-ios-share

But apparently this is a non issue for the media.  How is this possible?

This white wash on Hunter Biden is iterally what propaganda looks like.

"Propaganda is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propag​anda


There are no trolls on fark.
 
2020-10-18 6:11:30 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/​1​7/howie-carr-fear-and-loathing-in-the-​biden-crime-family/


You drew the short straw again, I see.
 
2020-10-18 6:14:16 PM  

MattytheMouse: DoBeDoBeLurk: MattytheMouse: DoBeDoBeLurk: MattytheMouse: Democracy does in darkness~

...Dallas.

/darn that autocorrect
//it must be hard for a mouse to type!
/// "Democracy Dies in Darkness," increasingly an observation instead of a warning

Dammit! You're right. I'm just a mouse on a keyboard.

[i.pinimg.com image 600x338]
It must be like pilates for you. Can you hit H + the Windows key to turn on speech-to-text with your tiny, tiny body? Or does it just register "eek, eek, eek?"

God, I'm racist. Specist?

It's a workout, I tell you! And unfortunately, my computer doesn't have an integrated mic.


Here, have an image macro for the next one:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-18 6:16:16 PM  

aleister_greynight: By this reasoning we shouldn't have prosecuted Nazi's after WW2 either.


We didn't prosecute enough. Some we welcomed to the US under "paperclip" and other projects. "magic marker" for instance. lol.
 
2020-10-18 6:18:38 PM  

Almea Tarrant: RWNJs really need to see a doctor, their hard-on for Hunter Biden has lasted longer than 4 months.


And that is despite the facts that 1) Joe Biden is running not Hunter and 2) that the RWNJs still are without any proof about Hunter having done anything wrong.
 
2020-10-18 6:18:45 PM  

JRoo: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 720x405]


They don't even put them in cages anymore. That would mean they would get a court hearing, even if they were three years old and needed a phone book to reach the bench. But they EXIST.

THIS YEAR they don't even have that. They are taken at the border and put in hotels and not even processed but 'expelled". They don't even call it deporations. They "expel" them like vomiting food. Or kicking out of school.

Advocates and attorneys trying to see those children have been physically prevented from doing so by hired contracted guards. Over eight thousand children this year have been "expelled" only to disappear into a virtual black hole where they are never heard from again.

Only 38 have been found.

Where are the rest?
 
2020-10-18 6:18:59 PM  

Chromium_One: emtwo: Our democracy operates under the principle that all are equal and that all are equally held to account, those in power especially.

Like hell it does.  It used to be an aspiration, needs to be again.


We've never lived up to our aspirations and we never will, I grant you that. But there is great benefit in striving for them anyway.

Perhaps I should have phrased that less declaratively.
Our democracy operates under the principle that all are should be and can be equal and that all are should be and can be equally held to account, those in power especially.
 
2020-10-18 6:19:19 PM  

make me some tea: If this is not addressed now, we will suffer many more Trumps.


I concur. One big reason we have Trump is that Nixon didn't pay the full price for his crimes.
 
2020-10-18 6:19:45 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Xai: If trump has broken laws then he should be prosecuted.

No man is above the law.

Most wealthy people are above the law.
Haven't you noticed that yet?

Whos going to hold a trump accountable?
The Cops?
You?


how about WE THE PEOPLE?
 
2020-10-18 6:21:08 PM  

emtwo: Chromium_One: emtwo: Our democracy operates under the principle that all are equal and that all are equally held to account, those in power especially.

Like hell it does.  It used to be an aspiration, needs to be again.

We've never lived up to our aspirations and we never will, I grant you that. But there is great benefit in striving for them anyway.

Perhaps I should have phrased that less declaratively.
Our democracy operates under the principle that all are should be and can be equal and that all are should be and can be equally held to account, those in power especially.


When I am doing my best..it is then I know that the striving is what matters most.The not giving up. The reaching for something better. THAT is what the "American Dream" is about. Not the reality..but the hope and the striving.

and I hope that Trump in all his attempts to take that from us will fail.
 
2020-10-18 6:23:11 PM  
This is what Trump garbage are spreading around now.

While crying that lefties aren't civil to them.

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2020-10-18 6:25:42 PM  

Kirablue42: JRoo: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 720x405]

They don't even put them in cages anymore. That would mean they would get a court hearing, even if they were three years old and needed a phone book to reach the bench. But they EXIST.

THIS YEAR they don't even have that. They are taken at the border and put in hotels and not even processed but 'expelled". They don't even call it deporations. They "expel" them like vomiting food. Or kicking out of school.

Advocates and attorneys trying to see those children have been physically prevented from doing so by hired contracted guards. Over eight thousand children this year have been "expelled" only to disappear into a virtual black hole where they are never heard from again.

Only 38 have been found.

Where are the rest?


Trafficking
I want those bastards ice, cbp, Barr, Trump at the Hague
 
2020-10-18 6:28:48 PM  

Kirablue42: emtwo: Chromium_One: emtwo: Our democracy operates under the principle that all are equal and that all are equally held to account, those in power especially.

Like hell it does.  It used to be an aspiration, needs to be again.

We've never lived up to our aspirations and we never will, I grant you that. But there is great benefit in striving for them anyway.

Perhaps I should have phrased that less declaratively.
Our democracy operates under the principle that all are should be and can be equal and that all are should be and can be equally held to account, those in power especially.

When I am doing my best..it is then I know that the striving is what matters most.The not giving up. The reaching for something better. THAT is what the "American Dream" is about. Not the reality..but the hope and the striving.

and I hope that Trump in all his attempts to take that from us will fail.


It's not Trump trying to take that from us. He's not smart enough to even grasp the concept, not competent enough to execute it, and quite frankly not interested enough to give a shiat in the first place. He's just a congenitally deficient blue-blooded aristocrat with no room in his personality for anything other than status symbols and adulation.

These are Putin's attempts to take that from us.
 
2020-10-18 6:29:11 PM  
Jill, FFS, stop reinforcing the stereotype of the out-of-touch ivory tower intellectual.

/That article and her bio screamed privilege.
 
2020-10-18 6:30:04 PM  
No, they shouldn't be prosecuted.  They should simply be put up against a wall; problem solved.
 
2020-10-18 6:30:43 PM  
Well thank goodness we got at least one Alternative Viewpoint Farker to make us all feel refreshed
 
2020-10-18 6:31:43 PM  

Xai: If trump has broken laws then he should be prosecuted.

No man is above the law.


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2020-10-18 6:34:17 PM  

cman: DNRTFA

Yeah, no. Prosecute his ass. Send him to the clinker for the rest of his life.


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2020-10-18 6:36:03 PM  
There's not enough fark you in the world for that idea. We're in this farking mess because we have refused to indict presidents for crimes. Trump has taken presidential immunity its logical conclusion in a single term. He is quite literally a parody of corruption. If we fail to prosecute him, specifically for political corruption, not tax fraud, you can hang your hat up on this democracy, because you've set a precedent for elected dictators. fark that article's author. Serioisly. You can tie a direct through line from Nixon to Reagan to W to Trump. This is what happens when you dont prosecute. They get increasingly brazen at deciding the constitution is a farking hindrance and shouldn't apply to them. The logical progression from an un-prosecuted Trump, is an outright dissolution of our representative republic. If "mob rule", as the republicans have come to call majority rule, is so dangerous, surely the answer is placing the rule of law into the hands of just a few individuals. I'm sure they'll be benevolent. Man, anyone who thinks we need that country healing crap, and just need to move on the preserve the integrity of the office or whatever nonsense-- I hope their genitals rot off because we dont need their offspring.

/rant
//dnrtfa. Was it good?
///I'm angry at what I assume he wrote.
 
2020-10-18 6:37:09 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Jill, FFS, stop reinforcing the stereotype of the out-of-touch ivory tower intellectual.

/That article and her bio screamed privilege.


WTF are you talking about, privilege? Did you even read the article?
 
2020-10-18 6:39:29 PM  

Mr. carrot: //dnrtfa. Was it good?
///I'm angry at what I assume he wrote.


She wrote that the crimes of the Trump family should be handled by the courts, not a special Truth and Reconciliation Commission. And somehow this is upsetting to people.

/not sure when "Historian" became "Political 'Expert'", complete with scare quotes
//yeah I got a bit of a geek crush on Jill Lepore
///fight me
 
2020-10-18 6:40:17 PM  
"The Trump crime family should not be prosecuted"

This is not at all what the article said. Bad subby.
 
2020-10-18 6:41:40 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Mr. carrot: //dnrtfa. Was it good?
///I'm angry at what I assume he wrote.

She wrote that the crimes of the Trump family should be handled by the courts, not a special Truth and Reconciliation Commission. And somehow this is upsetting to people.

/not sure when "Historian" became "Political 'Expert'", complete with scare quotes
//yeah I got a bit of a geek crush on Jill Lepore
///fight me


Meet me out back during recess. We're doing this.
 
2020-10-18 6:43:00 PM  

Xai: If trump has broken laws then he should be prosecuted.


Well it's a good thing the articles says nothing to the contrary.
 
2020-10-18 6:45:05 PM  

emtwo: MarciusDecimus: He is not wrong.

Our republic operated  under the notion you had honorable people. Yes, they were always questionably honorable.

We cannot ever hope to have a peaceful transfer of power if the outgoing group fears  prosecution.

By electing a leader we gave them absolution;. I hate trump  but i will not sink the republic for him.

The bastard walks.

Our democracy operates under the principle that all are equal and that all are equally held to account, those in power especially.

There is no reason to believe that holding Trump to account for crimes would lead all future administrations to fear prosecution, except in instances where they acted criminally and such fear is warranted.

There is no reason to believe that a peaceful transition of power would be impossible even in the case that an outgoing admin fears prosecution.

"By electing a leader we gave them absolution," is perhaps the single most anti-democratic and outright anti-American thing I've read on Fark in a long time.

In short, your opinion is nothing but a bunch of useless platitudes with no basis in reality, strung together to create the flimsiest pretense of a cogent thought. At that, it fails miserably.

[Fark user image 425x318]


i could be wrong. I have never claimed to posses the unassailable knowledge of what is absolutely right.

Respectfully, i just  think elecrorates are equally to blame and when we weaponize politics it never ends well.

We will have to see.
,
 
2020-10-18 6:47:05 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Mr. carrot: //dnrtfa. Was it good?
///I'm angry at what I assume he wrote.

She wrote that the crimes of the Trump family should be handled by the courts, not a special Truth and Reconciliation Commission. And somehow this is upsetting to people.

/not sure when "Historian" became "Political 'Expert'", complete with scare quotes
//yeah I got a bit of a geek crush on Jill Lepore
///fight me


She literally ends her piece by stating that she is arguing against "either criminal trials or a truth tribunal, should Biden win."
 
2020-10-18 6:47:59 PM  
If you go high when they go low then they will keep going lower.

Lather, rinse, repeat. Until all your hair falls out.

We can't let any of them get away with anything.
 
2020-10-18 6:48:29 PM  

MarciusDecimus: emtwo: MarciusDecimus: He is not wrong.

Our republic operated  under the notion you had honorable people. Yes, they were always questionably honorable.

We cannot ever hope to have a peaceful transfer of power if the outgoing group fears  prosecution.

By electing a leader we gave them absolution;. I hate trump  but i will not sink the republic for him.

The bastard walks.

Our democracy operates under the principle that all are equal and that all are equally held to account, those in power especially.

There is no reason to believe that holding Trump to account for crimes would lead all future administrations to fear prosecution, except in instances where they acted criminally and such fear is warranted.

There is no reason to believe that a peaceful transition of power would be impossible even in the case that an outgoing admin fears prosecution.

"By electing a leader we gave them absolution," is perhaps the single most anti-democratic and outright anti-American thing I've read on Fark in a long time.

In short, your opinion is nothing but a bunch of useless platitudes with no basis in reality, strung together to create the flimsiest pretense of a cogent thought. At that, it fails miserably.

[Fark user image 425x318]

i could be wrong. I have never claimed to posses the unassailable knowledge of what is absolutely right.

Respectfully, i just  think elecrorates are equally to blame and when we weaponize politics it never ends well.

We will have to see.
,


Trying alleged criminals in court for the crimes of which they are accused is not "weaponizing politics."
 
2020-10-18 6:49:27 PM  

ReaverZ: Exluddite: Every time Even when Republicans aren't areprosecuted, they answer with even more reprehensible behavior. Holding them accountable is the only answer. They have no shame.

Their response to the impeachment of Nixon has been to support the Republican President no matter what he has done.


I can't find the quote, but one of the Clinton impeachment leaders, Bob Livingston, said outright that it was payback for the near-impeachment of Nixon.
 
2020-10-18 6:49:55 PM  
To be fair, it is a bit of an academic question, at least as regards federal criminal prosecution. Trump is going to pardon himself and all his henchmen before leaving office.
 
2020-10-18 6:50:18 PM  
Why should I have to follow the law of the president doesn't?
 
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